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Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Joerg Esdorn
 

The Force 10 unit was available last summer - I saw it in Valencia.   I’m also converting to LiFePO4, but going all Mastervolt like Paul has on Fortuna II.  No changes to the chargers and inverters are needed on my boat but to install an electric stove, I would need a second 2.5 KW inverter which I’m deferring for now.  Good luck with your conversion and cruising this season.  Kincsem will likely remain layed up this year in Vigo.  Cheers. Joerg 


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Gerhard Mueller
 

Hi Ralf
Before repainting I have seen at the after cabin deck and salon deck some areas where the glass fiber could be seen. It was successfully repaired with a 2-component primer.
The sailmaker fabricating the enclosure has had no further instructions, details or demensioned drawings. I have made only some photos.
He has worked step by step: installing one piece, taking some measures, installing next piece and so on. Often there was a week between the steps and so it takes more than 2 months for the complete work.
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Ralf Schroeder
 

Hi,
my problem is not the false teak deck. On the other deckparts as on the after cabin and the salon deck has my gel coat some hair cracks.
I think, this is from the sun over the years.

@Gerhard: It is possible, that you send us the details/mass from enclosure?

Best
Ralf
SV Baghira, Sharki 42


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Gerhard Mueller
 

Hi Mark
Indeed after 38 years the deck likes to have a repaint.
I have had done it 2 years ago in Monastir, Tunisia for a low price but obviously good quality. The deck is still quite new after the 2 years.
However I have not repainted the black lines of the false teak deck but only in the cockpit. The Beugler tool is useful for this task.


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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

marklesparkle59
 

Hi Marco, I agree with everything Gerhard says about the Sharki, single handing, aft cabin bulkhead and being strong despite 37 years of use. The gel coat on the deck of Sea Hobo, Sharki 96 will need attention in the next few years.
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo, Sharki 96
Cargreen, UK.



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Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Gerhard Mueller
 

Marco
Sorry I don't know a professional surveyor in Greece for Amel boats.
One importand pro of the Sharki: It is below 12 meters in length (11.95 m) and so you only pay the lower boat tax in Greece.
And yes, the Sharki is intended for single handing. Although my Sharki is 38 years old it is still in a very good condition, even with the still original engine.
I guess all Sharki might have a problem with the construction of the mizzen footing. A crack in the polyester construction may allow to enter water into the gap between the polyester of the cockpit and the wood of the front wall of the after cabin and so the wood get damaged. Easy to check when inspecting the wood of the front wall of the after cabin. The former owner of my Sharki has had repaired this already. However other issues are not known.
Let me know if you have any special questions.
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Marco Baldan
 

Dear Gerhard,


Nice cockpit enclosure and excellent details for Sharki owners! I am contemplating purchasing a Sharki but I could not find much information around apart from the fact that she's a nice, sturdy, seaworthy sailboat. Could I bother you asking for your point of view on the boat: pros and cons, what to look at when surveying one? Easy to conduct single-handed? Do you know any professional surveyor that could survey a Sharki in Greece?

Thanks for any information you could provide me.
Marco Baldan (africanmarco@...)


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Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Barry Connor
 

Hi Joerg,

Hope your sailing this season is going well. Thank you for the link.
I have asked the company Penguin in the UK if they have any information when Eno/Force 10 with have this electric oven with an induction top as it would be a perfect fit.
I have now found another oven with an induction cooktop that is a good fit. The manufacturer is in Northern Italy, the model in the Horizon 3 from Marine Cookers.
Another option just being presented is the upcoming Miele unit. Really appreciate all the help and advise from the forum.
As you know, I have been discussing and researching this Lithium battery changeover since our time in MDR.
My Lithium battery set up will be the same as Oliver has done. Victron now have a dual input 110/230v charger/converter and a control for our engine fitted  180amp charger. Planning on staying here in Martinique to do this changeover with Oliver’s guidance and help. 

Very Best 

Barry and Penny 
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:34, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Hi Barry, here is what I am looking at. http://www.force10.com/electric_gimballed_3burner.html.  I met an A55 owner last year in Valencia who was in the process of installing this.  It fits on the A55. Not sure it fits on your boat.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi Barry, here is what I am looking at. http://www.force10.com/electric_gimballed_3burner.html.  I met an A55 owner last year in Valencia who was in the process of installing this.  It fits on the A55. Not sure it fits on your boat.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Lubrication of the Mechanism That Drives The Main Sail Furling Unit

 

All,

Kent is exactly correct on the Gear oil by Shell, Omala S4 WE320 synthetic gear oil. You can probably find it in Europe, but not in the US. There are several equivalents of the synthetic 320 gear oil in the US. One is made by Super Lube and is "Synthetic Gear Oil, ISO 320." You can buy 1 quart of it on Amazon for $22 at https://www.amazon.com/Super-Lube-54300-Synthetic-Bottle/dp/B002KKXHH6/ref=sr_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=Polyglycol+Synthetic+ISO+VG+320&qid=1593354246&sr=8-16

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:00 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill.
I just serviced my manual furler for the main. It is filled with a very heavy gear oil.  I found only one place (in England) that sold it by the liter, otherwise it is sold in very large quantities and is very expensive. It was shipped to me in the USA in about a week at a reasonable price. A liter is enough to service it 2-3 times.
 It is Shell Oil Omala S4 WE320

After reinstalling it there was a small amount of oil on the deck the next day or two. It stopped leaking after a few days and hasn't been leaking for two weeks including furling and unfurling several times.
What specifically did you want to know?
Kent & Iris
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 18, 2020 9:00 AM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:
I did find a group of messages from 2012 that address my question.  But I would like to find someone who has done this recently to ask some specific questions.  
Regards,
Bill Shaproski


Re: Lubrication of the Mechanism That Drives The Main Sail Furling Unit

karkauai
 

Hi Bill.
I just serviced my manual furler for the main. It is filled with a very heavy gear oil.  I found only one place (in England) that sold it by the liter, otherwise it is sold in very large quantities and is very expensive. It was shipped to me in the USA in about a week at a reasonable price. A liter is enough to service it 2-3 times.
 It is Shell Oil Omala S4 WE320
https://www.lubefinder.com/shell-omala-s4-we-320.html

After reinstalling it there was a small amount of oil on the deck the next day or two. It stopped leaking after a few days and hasn't been leaking for two weeks including furling and unfurling several times.
What specifically did you want to know?
Kent & Iris
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 18, 2020 9:00 AM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:
I did find a group of messages from 2012 that address my question.  But I would like to find someone who has done this recently to ask some specific questions.  
Regards,
Bill Shaproski


Re: Slide Hammer Anybody think the 5lb slide hammer is overkill for working on Kristy?

karkauai
 

Hi Brent, thanks for the input.  That is a lot of tool.  You tackle a lot bigger jobs than I'm likely to do! 
Years ago I launched my lake boat without the plug, and had to jump overboard with a sock to jam in the hole. 80 y/o in-laws were aboard.  Water was about 45dF. I'll never do that again!
We'll be up in Maine for 10-12 weeks, if borders open up let me know and we'll rent a car and drive up for a few days.

Stay safe, have fun, sail fast!
Kent and Iris
SM243
Kristy







On Jun 26, 2020 9:48 PM, Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> wrote:
Hi Kent, unfortunately, I have quite a bit of very recent experience with them.  I used to “rent” them from the local auto shops (you pay a full price deposit, use the tool and then return it for a full refund so the rental is gratis).  I’ve used them to pull wheel bearings, CV Joints and wheelhubs out from the very solidly rusted vehicles up here in the Canadian winters (they use a fair bit of salt which makes it somewhat challenging).  Last week, I tried to rent one to pull the gimbal bearing off my Mercruiser Alpha One inboard/outboard sterndrive on our motorboat that my daughter accidentally sunk last summer while Jen and I were away in Europe.  (Don’t forget to put the plug in the boat BEFORE you run it down the railway!)  Anyway,  due to the Covid stuff, they’ve all stopped renting tools so I ended up buying one at the local Princess Auto (our version of Harbour Frieght).  I’ve seen that their version, is the same as what I got.  It's on sale this week for the equivalent of about $60 USD.   

I whaled away at that damn gimbal bearing (it’s about a 4” by 1” bearing inside a long tunnel of a race and was VERY severely corroded in there without much luck.  The one I have has a 5 lb slide (the more the merrier) and I let it soak in PB Blaster for about a week and even fashioned using a 4 ton hydraulic jack to try to lever the thing out using the attachments of the slide hammer and a cross bar I built using metal and a 4x4 post…. All I ended up doing was snapping four 3/8” u-bolts like they were made of butter.  I finally gave up and called in the pro.. who showed up with the exact same slide hammer as I had, he put it on and gave it two huge whacks and it came right out!  To be fair to me, I didn’t try it for the 3-4 days before he showed up and it was sitting in PB blaster but he did whale away at it harder than I could (he used very thick gloves which helps cushion the blow).  He said that he’s never had a gimbal bearing stick that he hasn’t been able to get out with that tool.   Here’s the link to what I got. https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-way-slide-hammer-puller-kit/A-p8309262e but I am very sure I saw the same thing on the Harbour Freight website too (PA and HF seem to use the same companies even though they aren’t related).  Normally, I find their cheap Chinese tools don’t stand up well but I was very impressed with how strong this was - especially considering I had a 4 ton jack pulling on those little arms and it didn’t even leave a scratch on them.  My pro has been using the same set for 5 years and says he’s never had an issue with it either.  

There aren’t any instruction manuals with it but those three arms go on that black three armed attachment that gets threaded on (after the round disk) to the end of the slide hammer rod.  The round disk, winds down, levering the arms apart so that it can grab the inside race of the bearing… when you have got ALL of the play out of it, you just whale away at it as hard as you possibly can and the shock breaks the bond and out she comes…. DO wear very thick gloves as that thing makes your bones ring!  

The good thing is that after a set of plugs, a new distributor cap and the new gimbal bearing, the boat is working perfectly now… love to get you and Iris out for that Canal trip to see our fascinating locks if the damn border ever opens up again!  Enjoy Maine!  I’ve flown over that whole area up there and it’s on my bucket list.  

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada



Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Jamie,

I did not check their website but they may have something which fits your needs

Marco Pumps. Well made in Italy. 

GL in your experiment 

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007.


On 28/06/2020, at 1:59 PM, Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Robert Giroux posted this link. Seems we can get a shaft adapter that should do the job.

Any of these fit your application? https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8mm+to+10mm+Bore+Stainless+Steel+coupling&

Knowing that I can now go from 10mm to 8mm with this coupling, I am going to start my "experiment" to see if I can get Oliver's brushless motor solution to work.
I will post my success or failure soon - fingers crossed.

Until then, let's hope we can keep our "cool" with the Flojet pumps........even if we have to carry some spares. I just ordered 3 more.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

Robert Giroux posted this link. Seems we can get a shaft adapter that should do the job.

Any of these fit your application? https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8mm+to+10mm+Bore+Stainless+Steel+coupling&

Knowing that I can now go from 10mm to 8mm with this coupling, I am going to start my "experiment" to see if I can get Oliver's brushless motor solution to work.
I will post my success or failure soon - fingers crossed.

Until then, let's hope we can keep our "cool" with the Flojet pumps........even if we have to carry some spares. I just ordered 3 more.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Updated Event: ZOOM Meeting with Battle Born LiFePO4 Lithium Batteries - Saturday, 8 August 2020 #cal-invite

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Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jeremy and Debbie, 
Thank you for this information. I have a few months as the lithium battery install will take some months.
I will email GN Espace and ask about a smaller unit.
I have only found the Horizon 3 made in Italy.
Looking at other forums, people have been asking about this combination for a few years.
We looked over the 60 and 50 last year in Cannes. Very nice, you should enjoy the 50.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:51, Jeremy Spurr <jnwspurr@...> wrote:

Hi Barry - this may be of interest - shortly to be launched by GN Espace - designed to fit in the same space envelope as the Force 10 gas and ceramic hob versions that fit the A50 and same dimensions as their OceanChef 3 gas variant .  I believe it is GN who package the Miele units fitted to the A60s and have now produced this more compact unit of own manufacture with electric oven and induction hob

Kind regards

Jeremy & Debbie Spurr
A50 #42
Name: tbd
Location : currently in the mould at La Rochelle
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<OC3_Glass.JPG>
<OceanChef 3 Electric.pdf>


Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Matt Salatino
 

Great find, Jeremy!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Jeremy Spurr <jnwspurr@...> wrote:

Hi Barry - this may be of interest - shortly to be launched by GN Espace - designed to fit in the same space envelope as the Force 10 gas and ceramic hob versions that fit the A50 and same dimensions as their OceanChef 3 gas variant .  I believe it is GN who package the Miele units fitted to the A60s and have now produced this more compact unit of own manufacture with electric oven and induction hob

Kind regards

Jeremy & Debbie Spurr
A50 #42
Name: tbd
Location : currently in the mould at La Rochelle
<Force 10 2.JPG>
<OC3_Glass.JPG>
<OceanChef 3 Electric.pdf>


New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Scott SV Tengah
 

This is a new thread to continue the overly long thread at:

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/topic/a54_fridge_circulation_pump/34255404?p=Created,,,20,1,60,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,34255404&jump=1
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OLIVER - can you post the video of your fridge pump installation? Also, it seems your link is for a 10mm shaft motor. Can you verify it's the same link you ordered your 8mm shaft motor from?
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Jamie, good thing you mentioned to me that the shaft on the pump Oliver linked was 10mm. I asked the AliExpress seller if he has the exact same motor with an 8mm shaft. Perhaps Oliver posted the wrong link or perhaps they changed the spec on the motor. Hope Oliver sees and responds to this.

This is mindblowingly annoying - I am fine paying to get a solution as I'm now a bit nervous about leaving the boat for more than a day in case the pump dies and all my frozen food goes to waste! 

I emailed my contact at March Pumps to determine the shaft spec on their centrifugal pump motors to see if we can cannibalize the brushless motor part to use with the flojet pump head. I was in conversation with him prior about using their 12v 893-07 pump, but he stated that it's probably not a good idea since I cannot guarantee constant prime. This is the case with my freshwater system but he even said it's the case with a SW system due to boat movement.

Here's what he said prior when I suggested using the full March 893-07 pump:

"The setup you have there wouldn’t make our pumps very happy. My concern would be that first pump in the line right there at the “Y” split…..when that turns on it may siphon water backwards out of our pump and suck it dry….you could install a check valve on the outlet side of the pump but it would have to have a very small pop open pressure as the 893-07 will only generate about 4.5psi when its dead headed at 0 flow.

 

If the setup is mounted all below the waterline then the lines should prime with water naturally and you shouldn’t have to prime them…if the pump would be above the water line then a check valve would need to be installed to help keep it primed. The initial prime you would have to get creative in doing so….a lot of people will install another “T” with a valve and a fitting to hook up a garden hose….you they can open the valve and turn on the hose until its all filled up and turn the valve off then unhook the hose.

The flo-jet pump I believe are all rubber vein impellers and are self priming so they are different then our pumps and wouldn’t be a direct swap over between the two."


The first pump he mentions is the domestic FW pump. His check valve/T valve solution adds complexity, which I dislike, but if it is our only potential solution then we might have no other choice. If we have 5 more years of sailing, it's insane for me to carry 10 Flojet pumps as backup.


Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

I'll move the conversation to a new thread, but quick responses to close this one out. Please respond on the new thread entitled: "New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)"

Arno - what I like about Oliver's solution, if he can share info and we can replicate it, is that it uses the same pump head/water moving parts from the Flojet. I have two remaining Flojet pumps so I will place one complete original flojet pump next to the Frankenstein brushless pump. On my A54, two Flojets are placed side by side because I think Amel knew they die quite often. With the proposed setup, if the brushless pump dies in the middle of nowhere, I can quickly switch things over from one pump to the other, as I do now.

Robert - we need a 10mm to 8mm "D" shaft reducer. Know where we can get that?

Mark - I have the Marco pump for my FW system with an expansion tank. You NEED the expansion tank otherwise you will get mysterious leaks due to overpressure from the fw toilet water solenoids slamming shut when the pump is running. I got the 2l stainless one. As it relates to using a Marco for the fridge pump, another A54 Garulfo tried and the Marco overheats and dies even faster than the Flojet. So no go there.

Brent - My understanding is that, despite the insulation replacement, Oliver is now getting 75% duty cycle now that he's in the tropics (versus single digit duty cycle in Portugal?). Regardless, if there's a brushless pump that doesn't die every 5-6 months, I will crawl on my knees to get it (kidding, sort of).

I will say that my galley freezer/fridge has been turned off now that we're near reasonably well stocked grocery stores. This made a huge difference in energy consumption and pump duty cycle. The A54 setup has the water hoses daisy chained, whereas Frigoboat wants you to run them parallel. Earlier, my saloon freezer never really got that cold. I assume it's because by the time the cooling water got to it, the other two units had already heated up the water quite a bit.

Now I just run the aft most front opening fridge and the saloon seat freezer. This makes a huge difference as the insulation on the galley top loading freezer is terrible as Oliver mentioned. Ours was soaked because the fridge would accumulate a lot of condensate water at the bottom and the junction between the stainless "box" and the PVC pipe that allows the compressor lines was NOT sealed well. I know this because after I cleaned out the box, water was bubbling UP from the insulation into the box at this junction. I sort of fixed it by applying sika291 at this junction and also filling the inside of the PVC (where the compressor lines run) with sika291. I had used the same expanding foam as Oliver prior but that simply got soaked and moldy.

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com