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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?

John Clark
 

Hi Bob,
   I just had rig replaced in Le Marin, Martinique by Caraibe, the vendor used by Amel.  All ACMO materials. The cost incuding installation was about $10,000 USD.  Wrkers were quick and efficient.

Gaetan is the fellow to ask for. This is his email:  gaetan@...

     Regards,  John

Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay, Sint Maarten


On May 12, 2017 12:22 PM, "tuwhiti@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Paul,

I am tying to find the contact for an ACMO SM 2000 rigging quote. I thought I saw the contact email in this (or other) thread but alas cannot find it now. I sent a generic e-mail request to ACMO via their website but fear it may be lost in the works now for about a week.

Do you or anyone else have a recent contact for requesting a standing rig quote for our SM 2000 (2002 H#362).
Thanks so much,
Bob Ross
SM #362 S/V Nomad
USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint Question [2 Attachments]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chuck,

For some reason, at least 1 coat of bottom paint is flaking off the other coats...it looks like two coats are flaking. It appears to me from the photos that prudent thing to do is to remove all of the existing bottom paint. There are several methods that would be acceptable...hand scraping followed by sanding, or machine peeling. Either of these would be followed by sanding prep, then a coat of primer approved for your new antifouling paint. For saltwater use, I recommend Micron66, reapplied every two years. There are other good antifouling materials, but generally, you get what you pay for. Some antifouling material requires cleaning the bottom 2 or 3 times each year...Micron66 does not.

There are spots of the epoxy coating separating from the cast iron keel...this needs to be addressed and probably this Super Maramu is the age that it makes sense to remove all of the epoxy on the keel and re-apply it. The methodology of the process is very important.

I do not understand whether or not your hull will be in freshwater again, but if it will be in freshwater again, Micron66 is not applicable because Micron66 will become inert if exposed to freshwater. If you can find Micron77, it can be used in either fresh or saltwater. 

I hope this helps you get a general idea of the decisions you need to make and the processes available to you. If you want to discuss this further, maybe give me a call at the number below.

Good luck on your search for a new-to-you Amel. Be sure to contact Joel Potter in Ft. Lauderdale in your search for an Amel. jfpottercys"at"att.net 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:06 AM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi All,

Perspective buyer here. Looked at a boat on the hard and fresh water is her home (6 months in 6 months out). Will move to salt water in the near future. I know I need to paint but I also know there is saltwater/freshwater specific paints. Tried to query the conversations tab here for an answer (a little quirky to get around). Has anyone been in this situation? I would like to avoid two bottom jobs in two years if possible. Take a look at the pics. I value your opinions.

Thx
Chuck




Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

greatketch@...
 

Duane,

I assume you have tested the water right of of the watermaker itself and it shows the same salt content?  If not, then it is a tank problem...

I wish I had a simple answer for you...  There are two likely causes for high solids content in the permeate from an RO unit: a bad seal or a bad membrane.

The first thing I would try to do is to isolate the problem to one of the two pressure vessels. Try disconnecting the product water lines from the two membrane housings, and collect permeate from each of them separately.  
I'll bet you find one very much saltier than the other, and we would then know where the problem is.  In the unlikely case BOTH are equally bad, you might have gotten a bad batch of membranes, but that seems unlikely.  Could also have been a technique problem in installation of the membranes if Dessalator's instructions were not closely followed.

Now comes the hard part...

Seal? or Membrane?

Since we have (hopefully) now shown that one combination of membrane and pressure vessel is the source of the problem, we need to figure out is it seal, or membrane. With the membrane in the housing, I know of no test that would give a differential diagnosis between those.  If we remove the membrane, we can test it separately.  It is a bit involved, but not too bad...  Here is a description of the process:  http://www.membranes.com/docs/tsb/TSB101.pdf

The alternative to that complex test is to just replace the bad membrane with its seals.  But before you do, check the housing VERY carefully for any scratches or roughness in the places where the seals seat.  When you install a new membrane, be sure to follow the instructions from Dessalator exactly.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Nanny Cay, Tortola, BVI.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Watermaker

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Duane,

How do you measure the 480 ppm at the tap?  I have a Duo 100 and I have no means of measuring this value.

KInd regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007, Martinique.


On 12 May 2017, at 12:10, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,


I have the Duo 60 watermaer and I'm getting 480ppm from the kitchen faucet.  That is just within the EPA limit of 500ppm.  It has always been high, starting at about 380ppm when I commissioned the new membranes.  I wash the prefilter every two weeks, or more often in turbid water.


I've read that many people are experiencing half that number. The membranes were new in 11/2016, and we cleaned two of the three compartents in the water tank (we decided to leave the one under the freezer for another time).


Anyone have an idea why I might be getting such high numbers? 


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477





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Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?

Bob Ross
 

Hi Paul,

I am tying to find the contact for an ACMO SM 2000 rigging quote. I thought I saw the contact email in this (or other) thread but alas cannot find it now. I sent a generic e-mail request to ACMO via their website but fear it may be lost in the works now for about a week.

Do you or anyone else have a recent contact for requesting a standing rig quote for our SM 2000 (2002 H#362).
Thanks so much,
Bob Ross
SM #362 S/V Nomad
USA


Duo 60 Watermaker

Duane Siegfri
 

Hi all,


I have the Duo 60 watermaer and I'm getting 480ppm from the kitchen faucet.  That is just within the EPA limit of 500ppm.  It has always been high, starting at about 380ppm when I commissioned the new membranes.  I wash the prefilter every two weeks, or more often in turbid water.


I've read that many people are experiencing half that number. The membranes were new in 11/2016, and we cleaned two of the three compartents in the water tank (we decided to leave the one under the freezer for another time).


Anyone have an idea why I might be getting such high numbers? 


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi Colin,
Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate your insight.
Sincerely
Courtney




-----Original Message-----
From: Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, May 12, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 
Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi all,
I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'






--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'






--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Bottom Paint Question

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi All,
Perspective buyer here. Looked at a boat on the hard and fresh water is her home (6 months in 6 months out). Will move to salt water in the near future. I know I need to paint but I also know there is saltwater/freshwater specific paints. Tried to query the conversations tab here for an answer (a little quirky to get around). Has anyone been in this situation? I would like to avoid two bottom jobs in two years if possible. Take a look at the pics. I value your opinions.

Thx
Chuck



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

Duane Siegfri
 

Mike,

The extrusion had a tab on the back, instead of a flat back to fit against the recess in the rub rail.  How did you deal with that?

This is what I'm looking for, thanks for the help.
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Dont plug the cockpit drains or bilge drain. Actually had friend sink his engine on the hard. i preferred the cover that goes down to the top rail. Think umbrella. 
Balihai
Sn24 

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On May 12, 2017, at 3:43 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dan
I would second everything that Kent said. I forgot to mention plugging every hole with plastic or cloth, including the holes in the hull. Peakes will also tell you to buy a tub of cheap grease and liberally smear a ring round every part of the cradle and chain leading to the boat - to stop ants and other nasties crawling up and finding a new home!
We had a new Genoa made at Ullmans and he checked the other sails too. If you were having yours cleaned or any stitching re-done you can take your sails off while you're afloat in the marina and leave them there for the off season. It's only a 300m motor across to Peakes.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Ian Park
 

Dan
I would second everything that Kent said. I forgot to mention plugging every hole with plastic or cloth, including the holes in the hull. Peakes will also tell you to buy a tub of cheap grease and liberally smear a ring round every part of the cradle and chain leading to the boat - to stop ants and other nasties crawling up and finding a new home!
We had a new Genoa made at Ullmans and he checked the other sails too. If you were having yours cleaned or any stitching re-done you can take your sails off while you're afloat in the marina and leave them there for the off season. It's only a 300m motor across to Peakes.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Ian Park
 

Dan
We were hauled out at Peakes two years ago fir the hurricane season. There was advice aplenty about plastic wrapping, aircon, and applying wax to the hull and leaving it unpolished. There were advocates for and against each of these. When I asked for advice from Peakes engineering they gave no definitive answer. They cited boats that did all these precautions and had mildew and also a boat just looked and left for 3 years, that was pristine when opened up again.
Our decision. A/C was expensive to install and to pay the extra charge they make for the electricity . Our hull was 20 years old and beautiful- despite a life in the Med and various visits to the Caribbean. The boat is very well insulated, and we couldn't understand the plastic covering which would make it like a greenhouse . We decided to do non of these. We employed a local lad (recommended by Peakes - they are badged in order to work their) to go on board once a month and open all hatches for an hour, to wash the boat down, to change the dehumidifying crystals in the two containers inside the boat, and to send us an email report. The boat was perfect when we got back and we paid the same lad to polish the boat before launching.
If you use your dehumidifier I think you will be just fine, just check the charge for power. I would recommend the use of one of the yard lads to open up once a week and check things over - it is great peace of mind. I would be concerned about a dehumidifier on for 5 months with the boat shut up - I don't know how that would affect the woodwork. Others may be able to quote experience here.
I'm sure others will have different views, that was just my experience at Peakes.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

karkauai
 

Hi Dan.  I left my boat there one Summer and used a hatch AC from Dynamite who also came aboard once or twice a week to make sure the AC was running and flush the watermaker membranes.  I didn't have the boat covered and left the sails furled in the masts, but took the Genoa down and stowed it in the saloon.  Kristy was filthy with dust, but others whose boats were enclosed in plastic had mildew and bird crap all over their boats. If I were to do it again, I would not enclose in plastic. The main and mizzen sheets and outhauls were filthy and took two whole days to clean, I would recommend removing them and stowing below.  Also, stuff rags in every hole you can find to keep birds and wasps from building nests.

Hope that helps some.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Dan Carlson
 

The question is simple Hanspeter,  Bill and Judy lived aboard BeBe full time for 12 years. The two seasons that they were in Trinidad they were in the water and were on the boat the majority of the time.  I am looking for perspectives and checklists from Amel owners that regularly haul their boats for hurricane season. That is not an experience that Bill and Judy regularly lived.  

Thank you for tip on your use of an air conditioner.  I do have a dehumidifier and do plan to use that. And I also plan to use Peakes secure storage area.

Any perspectices from other owners would also be appreciated. 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson 




On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:21 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Hi Dan Carlson
I and other Amel owners do not understand your question. You are the new owner of BeBe ,earlier boat from Bill the Admiral?
My two cent words. Ask him. He knows ewerything about your boat and he knows Trinidad as well as I remember.
Kr
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM 16
PS:
During summer time it will be humide and wet. When i was there for 3 month during huricane saison, I put on the outside of the hutch in the saloon a aircoold ac, which was checked 3 times per week by a local person. Also my boat was coverd with a with plasitic cover, seald by heat, and the boat was by Peak in a special saved yard. Saved by Rottwiler dog's in the night.
Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 11.05.2017 um 17:47 schrieb 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  


We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Dan Carlson
I and other Amel owners do not understand your question. You are the new owner of BeBe ,earlier boat from Bill the Admiral?
My two cent words. Ask him. He knows ewerything about your boat and he knows Trinidad as well as I remember.
Kr
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM 16
PS:
During summer time it will be humide and wet. When i was there for 3 month during huricane saison, I put on the outside of the hutch in the saloon a aircoold ac, which was checked 3 times per week by a local person. Also my boat was coverd with a with plasitic cover, seald by heat, and the boat was by Peak in a special saved yard. Saved by Rottwiler dog's in the night.
Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 11.05.2017 um 17:47 schrieb 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  


We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

Mike Ondra
 

2 photos were attached. I needed to scroll down to see them.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

 

 

Hello Mike,

 

Could you provide some photos of the installed rub rails at your SM?

 

Thanks so much

Olaf

 

Mia-Amara SN#135 Martinique

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 10 May 2017 19:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM [2 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

We had great success with installing the Taco Marine V11-0809 Flexible Rub Rail. Comes in 50’ length for $185. Fits in the groove in the fiberglass rubrail. Pictures attached (if this works).

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

 

 

I'm thinking about putting a metal or rubber extrusion on the center part of the rub rail to keep the red part off of dock pilings.

 

Has anyone looked at this and what product did you use?

 

It seems like even with a perfect docking maneuver the marina crew insists on dragging us tight to the piling before we can position a fender.  I have fenderboards that take two or three fenders but they are tough to pre-position.  I'm thinking of rigging the fenderboards so there is a board keyed on top of the liferail so you only have to move the one thing (instead of two lines for the fenderboard and three fenders).

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Haulout - Storage Checklists

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  

We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387





Re: shipping across U.S. by truck, east to west

Craig Briggs
 

Great advice from Bill Kinney, to which I’d add that your yacht insurance likely excludes transporting the vessel, so you need a separate policy. Transport policies typically treat your yacht as “cargo” and fully depreciate for any damage, unlike a yacht policy that provides new-for-old. I don’t know if full coverage is available, but it would be worth finding out.

Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris, Ft Pierce


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM [2 Attachments]

Olaf RENOS at Yahoo <olaf_renos@...>
 

Hello Mike,

 

Could you provide some photos of the installed rub rails at your SM?

 

Thanks so much

Olaf

 

Mia-Amara SN#135 Martinique

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 10 May 2017 19:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM [2 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

We had great success with installing the Taco Marine V11-0809 Flexible Rub Rail. Comes in 50’ length for $185. Fits in the groove in the fiberglass rubrail. Pictures attached (if this works).

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

 

 

I'm thinking about putting a metal or rubber extrusion on the center part of the rub rail to keep the red part off of dock pilings.

 

Has anyone looked at this and what product did you use?

 

It seems like even with a perfect docking maneuver the marina crew insists on dragging us tight to the piling before we can position a fender.  I have fenderboards that take two or three fenders but they are tough to pre-position.  I'm thinking of rigging the fenderboards so there is a board keyed on top of the liferail so you only have to move the one thing (instead of two lines for the fenderboard and three fenders).

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477