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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

greatketch@...
 

Hi Ian,

I was a bit confused when I first read your post.  I am 6'1" and I didn't remember ever having headroom issues under the dodger.  So I had to run up to the cockpit and check... I can stand under the dodger... just...barefoot.  So I guess I am still confused, maybe yours was shorter for some reason?

I am not a really big dodger fan to start with.  Give me a little something to keep the worst of the sun off and I am happy.  When I see people sailing around on boats that have what amounts to a vinyl greenhouse built around the cockpit I wonder why they took up an outdoor hobby!

The one reason I DO like the Amel dodger is that one person can put it up of down in an instant without a thought.  In good weather I can actually sail outdoors!  That is something I am loath to give up, even for a few inches of headroom.

I have added a window in the dodger over the helm station so I can see the main sail while running the controls or just while sitting in the helm seat.  I wondered how anybody could sail without seeing the sails?  

On my project list is adding a zip-open window in the first forward facing panel of the dodger, which sounds like what you added.  It will add some visibility forward when I am standing, but also a lot of much needed ventilation.  As obvious as it is, the idea that it will allow easy access to the perspex window for rinsing underway hadn't occurred to me, but your comment about that utility just bumped that project up a notch or two on the priority list!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great St James Is, USVI.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote :

Hi Bill,


There is yet another solution......As I have written on this site in the past, having owned a Sharki , then a Maramu, both of which allowed me ( at 6 ft) to stand upright under their dodgers, we nearly didn't buy an SM because I couldn't come to terms with not being able to see forward from the helm except by getting a crick in my neck--to say nothing of not being able to see the mainsail properly.

  Having bought one and sailed for a number of years we took the plunge and lengthened the stainless supports by 10cm ( aft one), 10 cm ( middle) and 15cm ( forward ). We built a new Subrella top with a full width opening vinyl window.  W o n d e r f u l....... I can now stand up under it, I can  see forward without cricking my neck, I can see my sails, I can sit on the aft cabin roof and see forward, in close quarters I open the vinyl window and stand with my head free.

 When we pack up the boat we take the Subrella off and the three stainless pieces still fold into the groove on the hard dodger.

 Nothing has improved our enjoyment of Pen Azen quite as much.

 Oh, and when the perspex gets all salty we just open the zipper on the vinyl window a tad and spray down with the cockpit hose without having to change our slippers to go on deck!


 Do think about it. I have never understood why Amel didn't do this from the off...except that the wonderful Capt Amel was only a short   guy ( and very stubborn ! )


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Frejus, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixing/replacing copper on holding tank

Mark Erdos
 

Steve,

 

Having already done this, I have empathy for you. This is a crappy job (pun intended). Steve Leeds and Joel Potter really helped me on this project.

 

Parts you will need:

·        Drill rasp

·        Drill

·        Drill bit extension for the rasp

·        Replacement fiberglass tube 1 ½ OD – 1 ¼” ID about 6” long. I purchase this from McMaster Carr (sold in a 3’ length)

·        West System plastic boat repair kip (part 655-K) comes with G-Flex, mixing sticks, gloves, mixing boards etc.

·        New hoses – you will most likely destroy the old ones getting them off. You may also need a new plastic adaptor for where the hose is reduced in size between the head and the tank. Buy good quality hose (not the crap sold by West Marine). Trident make good hoses. (Sold at Defender)

·        Acetone

·        Heat gun

·        Masking tape

·        Shop vac

 

 

1)    Remove the head. No need to remove the bottom or base of the head. Just get the bowl out of the way so you can work. Or, if you can get to the work area sitting on the seat then no need to remove.

2)    Remove the fabric from the shelf below the leak. If you pull the fabric at the corner you can get it off in one piece and reused it (after washing it in a mild soap and water or bleach solution). You will want to remove the fabric since most likely you will be grinding out the copper pipe and it is hard to get the bits of copper out of the fabric.

3)    Remove the existing hose. You will probably have to cut it away. Remove as much of the copper pipe as possible – I used tin snips. If the copper has a poor seal to the fiberglass you can peel it away from the fiberglass using tin snips. This doesn’t always work. If it has a good seal you will need to grind the copper out. I used a rasp drill bit inserted into a power drill.

4)    Position a mirror so you can see up into the pipe of the holding tank. SLOWLY start to grind away at the copper pipe. You can tell if you are grinding copper as bits of copper will flake down. If you do not see bits of copper you are grinding the fiberglass – you do not want to grind the fiberglass. After a while you will find a technique that works for you. I found slowly moving the rasp around the inside of the pipe with the drill on a slow speed worked well. This will take a couple of hours, or more. As the copper gets thin, you can go back to using tin snips and pull it out if you can get an edge to pull on. You will need to grind about 2” up into the holding tank. My copper pipe went up further but I figured 2” was enough surface to give me a good area to reseal it. You may need to put the drill rasp on an extension to get it up far enough into the hole as the drill chuck will prevent you from getting into the hole. I also had a shop-vac running to avoid the copper grinds from getting too far away.

5)     When you have removed the copper pipe. Try to fit a piece of the replacement 1 ½” fiberglass tube into the hole. You may need to sand the outside of the tube to get a good snug fit.

6)    Cut the fiberglass tube so you have at least 2” inside the fitting and at least 2” outside on which to fasten the hose. Mark the tube using a piece of masking tape so you know how far to insert the tube when gluing it. Cut about 6 pieces of masking tape in lengths of about a foot. You will need these to hold the tube in place as it dries. Stick these pieces on the wall near the work area so you can easily reach them when needed.

7)    Put plastic down over the area that may get resin on it. Tape plastic into place.

8)    Follow the instructions on the West System kit. Make note of the working time.

9)    Clean all the surfaces to be glued with acetone.

10)                       Place epoxy on the interior sides of the holding tank making sure to thoroughly cover the surface area to be glued. Put epoxy on the tube up to the piece of tape.

11)                       Insert the tube into the holding tank up to the taped area. Rotate the tube a little to ensure epoxy coverage is 100%. Pull down on the tube so the tape is about 1/8” below the opening of the tank. Wipe away excess epoxy and flare the edge at the holding tank exit using the rounded end of a mixing stick in the area above the tape and below the lip of the holding tank (very important for a leak free seal). Use the precut bits of tape to hold the tube in place making sure it cannot slip out. I warmed mine a little bit with heat gun to accelerate the drying process. Let sit overnight.

12)                       Next day - Remove all the tape and clean up. Put on new hoses and clamps.

 

Hope this helps.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Puerto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixing/replacing copper on holding tank

 

 

Let me begin with a thank you to Kent, Bill K., Dan & Lori, Colin, John C., and Jean -Piere for their thoughtful responses to my previous question about Dinghy choices.  I must admit I am not sure how best to thank individuals for their input as it would seem to greatly increase the number of posts that we all get if I do it one at a time through the group conversation, though at the same time I don't want it to seem I am ungrateful for their time and input, for truly I am grateful.

 

As for the Copper stub at the bottom of the holding tank...

 

Searching for the source of head related fluids beneath the aft cabin head, I discovered that I have a pea sized hole at the back of the copper stub where the copper grounding wire was clamped and also that the stainless hose clamp on the white flex tubing had been eaten through and only appeared to be doing its job from the front.  The wall of the copper stub is so thin that I can make it deflect with only slight pressure, though given that the back side has a piece missing, that hardly seems a concern any longer.  So my question is, what do I do about it?  How do I replace the copper tubing that appears to be firmly glassed in place?  What should I replace it with?, and how do I better bond the copper grounding wire?

 

Thanks in advance for the time and thought that you all put into the group.

 

All the best,

Steve Morrison

SM #380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Ian and Judy,

I did as you for the dodgers… After a wet salt encrusted passage, I just open the plastic window above the eyebrow and presto… great visibility.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007




On 3 May 2017, at 09:28, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,


There is yet another solution......As I have written on this site in the past, having owned a Sharki , then a Maramu, both of which allowed me ( at 6 ft) to stand upright under their dodgers, we nearly didn't buy an SM because I couldn't come to terms with not being able to see forward from the helm except by getting a crick in my neck--to say nothing of not being able to see the mainsail properly.

  Having bought one and sailed for a number of years we took the plunge and lengthened the stainless supports by 10cm ( aft one), 10 cm ( middle) and 15cm ( forward ). We built a new Subrella top with a full width opening vinyl window.  W o n d e r f u l....... I can now stand up under it, I can  see forward without cricking my neck, I can see my sails, I can sit on the aft cabin roof and see forward, in close quarters I open the vinyl window and stand with my head free.

 When we pack up the boat we take the Subrella off and the three stainless pieces still fold into the groove on the hard dodger.

 Nothing has improved our enjoyment of Pen Azen quite as much.

 Oh, and when the perspex gets all salty we just open the zipper on the vinyl window a tad and spray down with the cockpit hose without having to change our slippers to go on deck!


 Do think about it. I have never understood why Amel didn't do this from the off...except that the wonderful Capt Amel was only a short   guy ( and very stubborn ! )


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Frejus, France


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Sent: 03 May 2017 01:30:41
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt
 
And fine words they are....

It of course it is not completely logical to be concerned about using water that would take about 90 seconds of watermaker time to replace.   I guess I will have to have something else to be illogical about!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Great St James Is, USVI


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Bill,


There is yet another solution......As I have written on this site in the past, having owned a Sharki , then a Maramu, both of which allowed me ( at 6 ft) to stand upright under their dodgers, we nearly didn't buy an SM because I couldn't come to terms with not being able to see forward from the helm except by getting a crick in my neck--to say nothing of not being able to see the mainsail properly.

  Having bought one and sailed for a number of years we took the plunge and lengthened the stainless supports by 10cm ( aft one), 10 cm ( middle) and 15cm ( forward ). We built a new Subrella top with a full width opening vinyl window.  W o n d e r f u l....... I can now stand up under it, I can  see forward without cricking my neck, I can see my sails, I can sit on the aft cabin roof and see forward, in close quarters I open the vinyl window and stand with my head free.

 When we pack up the boat we take the Subrella off and the three stainless pieces still fold into the groove on the hard dodger.

 Nothing has improved our enjoyment of Pen Azen quite as much.

 Oh, and when the perspex gets all salty we just open the zipper on the vinyl window a tad and spray down with the cockpit hose without having to change our slippers to go on deck!


 Do think about it. I have never understood why Amel didn't do this from the off...except that the wonderful Capt Amel was only a short   guy ( and very stubborn ! )


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Frejus, France


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 03 May 2017 01:30:41
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt
 
And fine words they are....

It of course it is not completely logical to be concerned about using water that would take about 90 seconds of watermaker time to replace.   I guess I will have to have something else to be illogical about!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Great St James Is, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixing/replacing copper on holding tank

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

See the attached photo. I do not have any other information. The black rings are O rings and it is inserted into the existing copper pipe. This was custom made by another owner. You will have to get this fabricated in a machine shop. I would use Delrin rather than Nylon. If you do this, please record the dimensions for everyone. 

And, at some point someone was probably cleaning out the toilet output with a caustic chemical...don't do that because this can happen. 

Best, 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 2, 2017 19:17, "steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Let me begin with a thank you to Kent, Bill K., Dan & Lori, Colin, John C., and Jean -Piere for their thoughtful responses to my previous question about Dinghy choices.  I must admit I am not sure how best to thank individuals for their input as it would seem to greatly increase the number of posts that we all get if I do it one at a time through the group conversation, though at the same time I don't want it to seem I am ungrateful for their time and input, for truly I am grateful.


As for the Copper stub at the bottom of the holding tank...


Searching for the source of head related fluids beneath the aft cabin head, I discovered that I have a pea sized hole at the back of the copper stub where the copper grounding wire was clamped and also that the stainless hose clamp on the white flex tubing had been eaten through and only appeared to be doing its job from the front. &nbsp ;The wall of the copper stub is so thin that I can make it deflect with only slight pressure, though given that the back side has a piece missing, that hardly seems a concern any longer.  So my question is, what do I do about it?  How do I replace the copper tubing that appears to be firmly glassed in place?  What should I replace it with?, and how do I better bond the copper grounding wire?


Thanks in advance for the time and thought that you all put into the group.


All the best,

Steve Morrison

SM #380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yep, wash it with fresh water. No other way. A silicone squeegee will add finishing touches. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 3, 2017 05:55, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We run the water maker to make sure the tank is almost full..i.e. about 900 litres

When on passages we regularly hose down the screens and the furler gearboxes and other gear to wash the salt off.
Even with 600W of solar and a wind generator, we are regularly running the Onan, and every time it is on, the water maker is on. If we need to motor for more than an hour, the water maker is on.
As long as everything is working as it should be, we have heaps of fresh water and we don't worry about using it !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Alan Leslie
 

We run the water maker to make sure the tank is almost full..i.e. about 900 litres
When on passages we regularly hose down the screens and the furler gearboxes and other gear to wash the salt off.
Even with 600W of solar and a wind generator, we are regularly running the Onan, and every time it is on, the water maker is on. If we need to motor for more than an hour, the water maker is on.
As long as everything is working as it should be, we have heaps of fresh water and we don't worry about using it !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

eric freedman
 


This product is what we use on watch crystals to remove scratches.

With a little applied to a buffing machine it does wonders on ports and windows.

Do not apply much pressure , just a gentle pass over will remove most scratches.

 

Or google plastic watch crystal scratch remover, it is available from many companies worldwide.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EUROTOOL-Crystal-Bright/113892990?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=2475&adid=22222222227074840086&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=188375227324&wl4=pla-292180998919&wl5=9004527&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113510137&wl11=online&wl12=113892990&wl13=&veh=sem

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 1:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

 

 

Mark Hanna, who owns Sharki #49 Marguerite, suggested to use “tooth paste” to remove scratches from the windshield and it worked very well for me!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/2/17, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 10:49 AM


 









Hello Bill,
I tried RainX with mixed
results…. now I use lots of fresh water from the cockpit
hose (to which I’ve added at least 4 meter extension) then
gently hand rub the remaining crystals.  My windscreens
became scratched but I restored them with a mild abrasive
from Meguiars… ScratchX…
If we could just remove all salt
from the oceans,  we’d have a good solution…
Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007

On 2 May 2017, at 11:18,
Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 







How ever you solve it. The
most important is that you use a LOT of water to rinse the
salt crystals away. They make terrible scratches on the
windows.
We have a window
cleaner with sponge and rubber, on a long stick. But the
most effective way is to send someone out with a bucket,
sponge and sore skin to wipe it clean.  /Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila,
SM 232, 1998    Skickades från
E-post för Windows 10  
Från: greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners]

Skickat: den 2 maj 2017
15:30

Till: amelyachtowners@...

Ämne: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Windscreen Salt
  


Harmonie is the first boat I
have sailed where the primary view from the helm forward is
in under the dodger and through the windows.  I do love the
arrangement.  The canvas part of our dodger easily folds
down in 5 seconds, instantly transforming
the cockpit's "look and feel". It comes down
on a quiet night sail to enjoy the stars, or when we are in
a close quarters situation so I can stand and see all round.
 But sometimes....
 I am sure everyone here
recognizes this scenario:  A beautiful sailing day, on a
close reach or beat. It is sunny and warm.  Every few
minutes a light spray is thrown up by the bow.  The only
problem is whatever water hits the windscreen evaporates in
a
few seconds, leaving salt behind.  Within a half hour, you
can't see ANYTHING.
 Anybody have a favorite
technique for reducing the problem short of sending crew out
on deck hosing down with fresh water every 15 minutes?  We
have had some very limited success with the Rain-X
formulation specifically for plastic helping the water to
run
off, but not great.  
 Bill KinneySM#160, HarmonieGreater St James Is, USVI.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

greatketch@...
 

And fine words they are....

It of course it is not completely logical to be concerned about using water that would take about 90 seconds of watermaker time to replace.   I guess I will have to have something else to be illogical about!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Great St James Is, USVI


Fixing/replacing copper on holding tank

steve_morrison@...
 

Let me begin with a thank you to Kent, Bill K., Dan & Lori, Colin, John C., and Jean -Piere for their thoughtful responses to my previous question about Dinghy choices.  I must admit I am not sure how best to thank individuals for their input as it would seem to greatly increase the number of posts that we all get if I do it one at a time through the group conversation, though at the same time I don't want it to seem I am ungrateful for their time and input, for truly I am grateful.


As for the Copper stub at the bottom of the holding tank...


Searching for the source of head related fluids beneath the aft cabin head, I discovered that I have a pea sized hole at the back of the copper stub where the copper grounding wire was clamped and also that the stainless hose clamp on the white flex tubing had been eaten through and only appeared to be doing its job from the front.  The wall of the copper stub is so thin that I can make it deflect with only slight pressure, though given that the back side has a piece missing, that hardly seems a concern any longer.  So my question is, what do I do about it?  How do I replace the copper tubing that appears to be firmly glassed in place?  What should I replace it with?, and how do I better bond the copper grounding wire?


Thanks in advance for the time and thought that you all put into the group.


All the best,

Steve Morrison

SM #380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Mark Erdos
 

I also have used toothpaste with good results on hatch plexi. And the added benefit is the boat has a nice minty fresh smell afterward.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Puerto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 1:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

 

 

Mark Hanna, who owns Sharki #49 Marguerite, suggested to use “tooth paste” to remove scratches from the windshield and it worked very well for me!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/2/17, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 10:49 AM


 









Hello Bill,
I tried RainX with mixed
results…. now I use lots of fresh water from the cockpit
hose (to which I’ve added at least 4 meter extension) then
gently hand rub the remaining crystals.  My windscreens
became scratched but I restored them with a mild abrasive
from Meguiars… ScratchX…
If we could just remove all salt
from the oceans,  we’d have a good solution…
Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007

On 2 May 2017, at 11:18,
Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 







How ever you solve it. The
most important is that you use a LOT of water to rinse the
salt crystals away. They make terrible scratches on the
windows.
We have a window
cleaner with sponge and rubber, on a long stick. But the
most effective way is to send someone out with a bucket,
sponge and sore skin to wipe it clean.  /Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila,
SM 232, 1998    Skickades från
E-post för Windows 10  
Från: greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners]

Skickat: den 2 maj 2017
15:30

Till: amelyachtowners@...

Ämne: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Windscreen Salt
  


Harmonie is the first boat I
have sailed where the primary view from the helm forward is
in under the dodger and through the windows.  I do love the
arrangement.  The canvas part of our dodger easily folds
down in 5 seconds, instantly transforming
the cockpit's "look and feel". It comes down
on a quiet night sail to enjoy the stars, or when we are in
a close quarters situation so I can stand and see all round.
 But sometimes....
 I am sure everyone here
recognizes this scenario:  A beautiful sailing day, on a
close reach or beat. It is sunny and warm.  Every few
minutes a light spray is thrown up by the bow.  The only
problem is whatever water hits the windscreen evaporates in
a
few seconds, leaving salt behind.  Within a half hour, you
can't see ANYTHING.
 Anybody have a favorite
technique for reducing the problem short of sending crew out
on deck hosing down with fresh water every 15 minutes?  We
have had some very limited success with the Rain-X
formulation specifically for plastic helping the water to
run
off, but not great.  
 Bill KinneySM#160, HarmonieGreater St James Is, USVI.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bill,

I agree with Joel; was about to use the same words… :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007

On 2 May 2017, at 16:43, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Not being able to see where you are going will leave you worse than puckered, Willy! Use the fresh water. Make some more...

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 2, 2017, at 3:56 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My problem is that I find it very hard to just spray fresh water on deck and let it run into the ocean...  Leaves me all anxious and puckered.


Old conservation habits die hard!

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Greater St James Is, USVI



Jean-Pierre Germain,
+590690 23 42 58
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

amelforme
 

Not being able to see where you are going will leave you worse than puckered, Willy! Use the fresh water. Make some more...

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 2, 2017, at 3:56 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My problem is that I find it very hard to just spray fresh water on deck and let it run into the ocean...  Leaves me all anxious and puckered.


Old conservation habits die hard!

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Greater St James Is, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

greatketch@...
 

My problem is that I find it very hard to just spray fresh water on deck and let it run into the ocean...  Leaves me all anxious and puckered.

Old conservation habits die hard!

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Greater St James Is, USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

John Clark
 

Ahh but how to choose the one to carry the bucket and sponge?     ;)

On May 2, 2017 11:18 AM, "Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

How ever you solve it. The most important is that you use a LOT of water to rinse the salt crystals away. They make terrible scratches on the windows.

We have a window cleaner with sponge and rubber, on a long stick. But the most effective way is to send someone out with a bucket, sponge and sore skin to wipe it clean.

 

/Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998

 

 

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Harmonie is the first boat I have sailed where the primary view from the helm forward is in under the dodger and through the windows.  I do love the arrangement.  The canvas part of our dodger easily folds down in 5 seconds, instantly transforming the cockpit's "look and feel". It comes down on a quiet night sail to enjoy the stars, or when we are in a close quarters situation so I can stand and see all round.  But sometimes....

 

I am sure everyone here recognizes this scenario:  A beautiful sailing day, on a close reach or beat. It is sunny and warm.  Every few minutes a light spray is thrown up by the bow.  The only problem is whatever water hits the windscreen evaporates in a few seconds, leaving salt behind.  Within a half hour, you can't see ANYTHING.

 

Anybody have a favorite technique for reducing the problem short of sending crew out on deck hosing down with fresh water every 15 minutes?  We have had some very limited success with the Rain-X formulation specifically for plastic helping the water to run off, but not great.  

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160, Harmonie

Greater St James Is, USVI.

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Mark Hanna, who owns Sharki #49 Marguerite, suggested to use “tooth paste” to remove scratches from the windshield and it worked very well for me!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA




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On Tue, 5/2/17, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@xs4all.nl [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 10:49 AM


 









Hello Bill,
I tried RainX with mixed
results…. now I use lots of fresh water from the cockpit
hose (to which I’ve added at least 4 meter extension) then
gently hand rub the remaining crystals.  My windscreens
became scratched but I restored them with a mild abrasive
from Meguiars… ScratchX…
If we could just remove all salt
from the oceans,  we’d have a good solution…
Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007

On 2 May 2017, at 11:18,
Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@hotmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 







How ever you solve it. The
most important is that you use a LOT of water to rinse the
salt crystals away. They make terrible scratches on the
windows.
We have a window
cleaner with sponge and rubber, on a long stick. But the
most effective way is to send someone out with a bucket,
sponge and sore skin to wipe it clean.  /Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila,
SM 232, 1998    Skickades från
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Windscreen Salt
  


Harmonie is the first boat I
have sailed where the primary view from the helm forward is
in under the dodger and through the windows.  I do love the
arrangement.  The canvas part of our dodger easily folds
down in 5 seconds, instantly transforming
the cockpit's "look and feel". It comes down
on a quiet night sail to enjoy the stars, or when we are in
a close quarters situation so I can stand and see all round.
 But sometimes....
 I am sure everyone here
recognizes this scenario:  A beautiful sailing day, on a
close reach or beat. It is sunny and warm.  Every few
minutes a light spray is thrown up by the bow.  The only
problem is whatever water hits the windscreen evaporates in
a
few seconds, leaving salt behind.  Within a half hour, you
can't see ANYTHING.
 Anybody have a favorite
technique for reducing the problem short of sending crew out
on deck hosing down with fresh water every 15 minutes?  We
have had some very limited success with the Rain-X
formulation specifically for plastic helping the water to
run
off, but not great.  
 Bill KinneySM#160, HarmonieGreater St James Is, USVI.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bill,

I tried RainX with mixed results…. now I use lots of fresh water from the cockpit hose (to which I’ve added at least 4 meter extension) then gently hand rub the remaining crystals.  My windscreens became scratched but I restored them with a mild abrasive from Meguiars… ScratchX…

If we could just remove all salt from the oceans,  we’d have a good solution…

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 2 May 2017, at 11:18, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

How ever you solve it. The most important is that you use a LOT of water to rinse the salt crystals away. They make terrible scratches on the windows.

We have a window cleaner with sponge and rubber, on a long stick. But the most effective way is to send someone out with a bucket, sponge and sore skin to wipe it clean.

 

/Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998

 

 

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Från: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Skickat: den 2 maj 2017 15:30
Till: amelyachtowners@...
Ämne: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

 

 

Harmonie is the first boat I have sailed where the primary view from the helm forward is in under the dodger and through the windows.  I do love the arrangement.  The canvas part of our dodger easily folds down in 5 seconds, instantly transforming the cockpit's "look and feel". It comes down on a quiet night sail to enjoy the stars, or when we are in a close quarters situation so I can stand and see all round.  But sometimes....

 

I am sure everyone here recognizes this scenario:  A beautiful sailing day, on a close reach or beat. It is sunny and warm.  Every few minutes a light spray is thrown up by the bow.  The only problem is whatever water hits the windscreen evaporates in a few seconds, leaving salt behind.  Within a half hour, you can't see ANYTHING.

 

Anybody have a favorite technique for reducing the problem short of sending crew out on deck hosing down with fresh water every 15 minutes?  We have had some very limited success with the Rain-X formulation specifically for plastic helping the water to run off, but not great.  

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160, Harmonie

Greater St James Is, USVI.

 






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

amelforme
 

I use PLEXUS plastic cleaner preservative. Seals all clear plastic and makes it easier to flush salt, bird giftings, and dirt from the dodger without scratching it. Great stuff. Expensive as great stuff usually is.

If you are limber, cockpit shower hose but better the high pressure cockpit hose if so equipped through the partially opened opening in port side dodger "window" to rinse salt off, if you have used Plexus or your favorite similar product.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 2, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

How ever you solve it. The most important is that you use a LOT of water to rinse the salt crystals away. They make terrible scratches on the windows.

We have a window cleaner with sponge and rubber, on a long stick. But the most effective way is to send someone out with a bucket, sponge and sore skin to wipe it clean.

 

/Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998

 

 

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Från: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Skickat: den 2 maj 2017 15:30
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Ämne: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

 

 

Harmonie is the first boat I have sailed where the primary view from the helm forward is in under the dodger and through the windows.  I do love the arrangement.  The canvas part of our dodger easily folds down in 5 seconds, instantly transforming the cockpit's "look and feel". It comes down on a quiet night sail to enjoy the stars, or when we are in a close quarters situation so I can stand and see all round.  But sometimes....

 

I am sure everyone here recognizes this scenario:  A beautiful sailing day, on a close reach or beat. It is sunny and warm.  Every few minutes a light spray is thrown up by the bow.  The only problem is whatever water hits the windscreen evaporates in a few seconds, leaving salt behind.  Within a half hour, you can't see ANYTHING.

 

Anybody have a favorite technique for reducing the problem short of sending crew out on deck hosing down with fresh water every 15 minutes?  We have had some very limited success with the Rain-X formulation specifically for plastic helping the water to run off, but not great.  

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160, Harmonie

Greater St James Is, USVI.

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

How ever you solve it. The most important is that you use a LOT of water to rinse the salt crystals away. They make terrible scratches on the windows.

We have a window cleaner with sponge and rubber, on a long stick. But the most effective way is to send someone out with a bucket, sponge and sore skin to wipe it clean.

 

/Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998

 

 

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Från: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Skickat: den 2 maj 2017 15:30
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Ämne: [Amel Yacht Owners] Windscreen Salt

 

 

Harmonie is the first boat I have sailed where the primary view from the helm forward is in under the dodger and through the windows.  I do love the arrangement.  The canvas part of our dodger easily folds down in 5 seconds, instantly transforming the cockpit's "look and feel". It comes down on a quiet night sail to enjoy the stars, or when we are in a close quarters situation so I can stand and see all round.  But sometimes....

 

I am sure everyone here recognizes this scenario:  A beautiful sailing day, on a close reach or beat. It is sunny and warm.  Every few minutes a light spray is thrown up by the bow.  The only problem is whatever water hits the windscreen evaporates in a few seconds, leaving salt behind.  Within a half hour, you can't see ANYTHING.

 

Anybody have a favorite technique for reducing the problem short of sending crew out on deck hosing down with fresh water every 15 minutes?  We have had some very limited success with the Rain-X formulation specifically for plastic helping the water to run off, but not great.  

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160, Harmonie

Greater St James Is, USVI.

 


Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi all,
I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'