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Re: Onan does not start

Teun BAAS
 

Paul,

 

We did not identify a knob or similar to press on the solenoid etc. etc. We just removed the negative solenoid.

 

If I understand Porter correctly he also is now sailing/using genset without a negative solenoid. I was going to have this looked at by a marine electrician in COOMERA but can I just omit that and continue without a negative solenoid?

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

June 3, 2020 10:27:01

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 10:10
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Onan does not start

 

Teun and Paul. 

Exact scenario. Same fix. Thanks BR. 

Porter A54-152. 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 



On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all
Tomorrow I will go down to Kerpa and try to identify the negative selenoid, I had a negative selenoid on an VP on one of my previous boats that malfunction time to time, but it had a knob one could press in and force contact that way, Do not know if the Onan has that.
Paul
SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Onan does not start

Porter McRoberts
 

Teun and Paul. 
Exact scenario. Same fix. Thanks BR. 
Porter A54-152. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.net

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all
Tomorrow I will go down to Kerpa and try to identify the negative selenoid, I had a negative selenoid on an VP on one of my previous boats that malfunction time to time, but it had a knob one could press in and force contact that way, Do not know if the Onan has that.
Paul
SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Onan does not start

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all
Tomorrow I will go down to Kerpa and try to identify the negative selenoid, I had a negative selenoid on an VP on one of my previous boats that malfunction time to time, but it had a knob one could press in and force contact that way, Do not know if the Onan has that.
Paul
SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: SM Anodes especification #replacement

JOSE PRIETO
 

I’ll change the anode next week, and I’ll post the screw size here. Thanks again for everyone.
--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


Re: SM Anodes especification #replacement

JOSE PRIETO
 

Thanks Ryan!

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


Re: SM Anodes especification #replacement

JOSE PRIETO
 

Thanks Bill!

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


Re: Onan does not start

Teun BAAS
 

Paul,

 

On my A54 I had Onan starting problems April 2019 in VANUATU. Almost like it was on a dying battery; when running the main for a couple of minutes the Onan would start. After several days that didn’t work either. The French marine electrician in PORT VILA diagnosed the negative solenoid being the problem. No solenoid available in VANUATU but he happened to go that weekend to NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA; he hard wired the negative while he got the new solenoid. He did mention that he didn’t understand why the Onan had a negative solenoid anyhow; I was adamant to keep the system the way it was since AMEL has a special bonding system: he also checked with an electrician friend in FRANCE who was very familiar with AMEL boats. Installed new negative solenoid and all was well until 4 months later it went out again when I came back from THE BANKS. Luckily this happened to be in PORT VILA so I was able to use the same electrician. He removed the negative solenoid completely – hard wired and since no more problems.

 

So the problem for me was the negative solenoid at the back of the Onan.

 

BTW – all batteries as well as connections were checked (house and engine) and were in perfect condition. Old negative solenoid was corroded though as my SPECTRA NEWPORT II pre-filters are right in that area and hard to change w/o spilling raw water. Even extensive flushing with fresh apparently doesn’t help – unless the corrosion already set in before I got the boat.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

June 3, 2020 08:35:16

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Osterberg via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 03:19
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Onan does not start

 

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com 


Re: Onan does not start

John Clark
 

Hi Paul,
   I instinctively say it is the DC circuit breaker, the red switch on the Generator panel in the ER.  I see it looks to be on, try cycling it.  My switch can be bumped when doing work in the ER and look like it is still on.  

I am not 100% sure about the solenoid that connects the DC negative, if that also connects the generator control power to the neg terminal.  If so that could be the issue as well...in that scenario the solenoid would first close then allow everything else to fire up.   I'll be back on the boat this afternoon and can double check.

      John

Annie SM 37 
Water Island USVI





On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:18 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com 


Re: Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu

smiles bernard
 

HI Jacob
I just folded some single sided tape in half and stuck it inside the socket :)
Which worked ok
But i did also have one of those long litter picker up tools to hand just in case! Great to have onboard anyhow incase something escapes you and ends up in the dreaded bilge 
In terms of the topmost attachment - it's just a bluesea busbar i screwed into place
The plan is to  replace that in time with a piece of glassed foam and then just use the big copper strap as the busbar - ie add a terminal at its upper end
......but i had the bluesea thing to hand . . . . .

Hope that helps and best of luck with the job

As i think i mentioned i'm pretty sure a section of braided copper with a 20 mm eye on the end would last a while too but this copper bar option is belt and braces I hope

All the best
Miles


Re: SM Outhaul troubleshooting

Kaplan,Andre
 

Daniel and Lori
Where can I find posts on rebuilding mainsail outhaul motor and gearbox?

Andre Kaplan
Renaissance 2000
Mango 7188
Westbrook, CT


On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:44 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


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Dan,

Sent you a private message. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:15 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi all, on our last passage I popped the breaker on the mainsail Outhaul a couple times. I disconnected the motor from the Outhaul and was able to reset the breaker and actuate the motor, but the when reconnected it it popped the breaker again.  Now I can't reset the breaker.  1) I've have found lots of posts on removing and rebuilding the outhaul gearbox and motor and plan to do that to get to the source of why, but 2) I would also like some suggestions for trouble shooting and checking through all of the electrical connections to make sure that I don't have other issues there.  

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387


Re: SM Outhaul troubleshooting

 

Dan,

Sent you a private message. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:15 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi all, on our last passage I popped the breaker on the mainsail Outhaul a couple times. I disconnected the motor from the Outhaul and was able to reset the breaker and actuate the motor, but the when reconnected it it popped the breaker again.  Now I can't reset the breaker.  1) I've have found lots of posts on removing and rebuilding the outhaul gearbox and motor and plan to do that to get to the source of why, but 2) I would also like some suggestions for trouble shooting and checking through all of the electrical connections to make sure that I don't have other issues there.  

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387


Re: Onan does not start

Peter Forbes
 

Barry,

Can you send photo of where these relays are and what value are they?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 3 Jun 2020, at 13:30, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,
I am not very good with electric parts but I had a similar problem.
No click from the starter but I did hear a whish noise from behind the control panel. I took them out and put them back in, when pressing down on one the Onan started.  I replaced both relays and all then started and worked.

Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 3, 2020, at 06:24, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com
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Re: Onan does not start

Barry Connor
 

Hi Paul,
I am not very good with electric parts but I had a similar problem.
No click from the starter but I did hear a whish noise from behind the control panel. I took them out and put them back in, when pressing down on one the Onan started.  I replaced both relays and all then started and worked.

Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 3, 2020, at 06:24, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com
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<15911792987437836114348009491907.jpg>


Re: Amel decal

Arlo
 

I would like a set as well please


Re: Onan does not start

 

You should check the negative and positive start solenoids and the wire connectors to these. 

Most of the time it is the negative solenoid. The second most common cause is the connection between where the start battery negative wire connects to the terminal on the outside left of the Onan and the connection to the negative solenoid. 

You can check both of these using a jumper cable between where the start battery negative terminal connects to the Onan and, first, to the battery-side of the solenoid. This will check the wire and connections. Next, then from the start battery negative connotation terminal on the Onan to the other side of the solenoid. That will check the wire, connections, and solenoid. Use CorrosionX on all connections.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 5:24 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com


SM Outhaul troubleshooting

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all, on our last passage I popped the breaker on the mainsail Outhaul a couple times. I disconnected the motor from the Outhaul and was able to reset the breaker and actuate the motor, but the when reconnected it it popped the breaker again.  Now I can't reset the breaker.  1) I've have found lots of posts on removing and rebuilding the outhaul gearbox and motor and plan to do that to get to the source of why, but 2) I would also like some suggestions for trouble shooting and checking through all of the electrical connections to make sure that I don't have other issues there.  

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387


Re: Hi- I made it to St Maarten.

Jacob Champness
 

Wow.  When I took that flight in the other direction on a Puerto Rico Air National Guard AC-130 after Irma, it took over an hour!


Onan does not start

Paul Osterberg
 
Edited

My Onan is totally dead nothing happened when trying to star not a slightest click. I have measured 12,8 volt between +on the starter and minus on the alternator, but only about 4 volt between + on the starter an - I believe it is on the starter see attached photo the same reading 4 v between plus on the starter and the ground strap.
I assume the reading should be 12,8 and not 4 volt?
Any idea where to start searching?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259, Lagos, Portugal sykerpa.com


Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54

Laurens Vos
 

Bill,

Thanks for the link to the video. Now I got a good idea how the system works. 
Very smart solution !  I didn't know this existed.
It's a shame we don't have the split poles anymore on the 54 because that was very easy system to set up. 
On our 54 we now use the Parasailor. But for a short handed crew I think the genoa/ballooner system is safer because it can be rolled in a second in case of a squall (specially at night)
Drawback with the twin sails is the rolling of the boat and the necessity to sail almost dead downwind. 


Hi- I made it to St Maarten.

eric freedman
 

We will haul Wednesday for an out of water survey. Then back to Island Water World marina for provisions etc.

I hope to leave Thursday 2 PM bridge for St Thomas to pick up my crew

Then straight back to NY.


I took the shortest commercial flight I have ever taken on a large Jet Blue Jet.

Puerto Rico to St Maarten--- 12 MINUTES flying time.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376