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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: using a 110v power-strip on 230v boat - Positive Included this time

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi porter;

We purchased a few universal outlet strips that you can plug US, Europe and British style plugs. It is designed for 220 Volts. We do not carry anything in the boat that is not 220 V 50 Hz compatible. They all have surge protectors. 

It really makes life simple and takes out the guess work.

Bill; we have (2) 7 outlet USB chargers plugged in at the Nav station permanent  inverter so we can all plug in any device to charge at all times. With 14 USB charging plugs available, we have not run into a shortage yet.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'll likely get the eBay one as well. 

We're out in the abacos on a shakedown
It's great!! 
Helen and the girls liking things a lot. 

have developed a few issues however. 

I'll ask you opinion in a bit

Many thanks Bill

Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jul 20, 2017, at 11:44 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

A long answer for a short question:

I really like the power strip that I bought in Martinique at the computer shop at du Marin. It had 6 220VAC EU (French) receptacles and it had 2 USB receptacles for charging USB connected devices...at times I could have used more USB charging ports.

Of course, you must remember that when it is plugged into 220VAC, it delivers 220VAC to the 6 AC receptacles...and I would NOT plug it into 110VAC. 

I am not entirely sure how the internal circuit and transformer for the USB receptacles works with USA 220VAC 60htz, but when I was in Trinidad, I used this device for 4 months and the USB Voltage measured at 5.2VDC, which is within 5% of 5VDC and should be fine..

I like this one from Amazon, but I am not 100% sure that it will work with 220VAC 50htz. I like it so much, that I would be willing to try it: https://www.amazon.com/Protector-3-Outlet-Charging-Station-Childproof/dp/B0719FWCFP/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1500562970&sr=1-5&keywords=power+strip+for+europe

The above from Amazon has a USA 110VAC plug. Nowhere does it state it will take EU current, but I found possibly the same device here at Ebay France: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Power-Strips-with-USB-ports-3-Way-Outlets-6-USB-Ports-Surge-Protection-Power-Str-/222585602171?hash=item33d322c07b:g:6yMAAOSw-wFZbe07

I believe that it is the same device, but with a either a UK or EU 220VAC plug and UK receptacles which I believe will will take a EU two prong plug without a UK to EU adapter...I can't be sure. The specs state:110-250V, Max Output: 2500W 10A , USB Output: 5V 3.4A Frequency: 50/60Hz 

If it were me (no liability accepted), I think I would order the one above from Amazon US and use an US to EU adapter to plug it into a 220VAC 50htz French style outlet that you have on your boat. You might also take an old USB wire, cut it, strip it and check the voltage between the black and red wires when plugged into one of the 6 USB ports on the power strip. USB charging should be between 5-5.6VDC. Then also be aware of any heat that may come from the device. I am betting that the input side of the transformer for the USB port power accepts 110-250V 50/60Hz. If you buy this one, please let me know the outcome, so that I can share it with others.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: using a 110v power-strip on 230v boat - Positive Included this time

Porter McRoberts
 

I'll likely get the eBay one as well. 

We're out in the abacos on a shakedown
It's great!! 
Helen and the girls liking things a lot. 

have developed a few issues however. 

I'll ask you opinion in a bit

Many thanks Bill

Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jul 20, 2017, at 11:44 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

A long answer for a short question:

I really like the power strip that I bought in Martinique at the computer shop at du Marin. It had 6 220VAC EU (French) receptacles and it had 2 USB receptacles for charging USB connected devices...at times I could have used more USB charging ports.

Of course, you must remember that when it is plugged into 220VAC, it delivers 220VAC to the 6 AC receptacles...and I would NOT plug it into 110VAC. 

I am not entirely sure how the internal circuit and transformer for the USB receptacles works with USA 220VAC 60htz, but when I was in Trinidad, I used this device for 4 months and the USB Voltage measured at 5.2VDC, which is within 5% of 5VDC and should be fine..

I like this one from Amazon, but I am not 100% sure that it will work with 220VAC 50htz. I like it so much, that I would be willing to try it: https://www.amazon.com/Protector-3-Outlet-Charging-Station-Childproof/dp/B0719FWCFP/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1500562970&sr=1-5&keywords=power+strip+for+europe

The above from Amazon has a USA 110VAC plug. Nowhere does it state it will take EU current, but I found possibly the same device here at Ebay France: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Power-Strips-with-USB-ports-3-Way-Outlets-6-USB-Ports-Surge-Protection-Power-Str-/222585602171?hash=item33d322c07b:g:6yMAAOSw-wFZbe07

I believe that it is the same device, but with a either a UK or EU 220VAC plug and UK receptacles which I believe will will take a EU two prong plug without a UK to EU adapter...I can't be sure. The specs state:110-250V, Max Output: 2500W 10A , USB Output: 5V 3.4A Frequency: 50/60Hz 

If it were me (no liability accepted), I think I would order the one above from Amazon US and use an US to EU adapter to plug it into a 220VAC 50htz French style outlet that you have on your boat. You might also take an old USB wire, cut it, strip it and check the voltage between the black and red wires when plugged into one of the 6 USB ports on the power strip. USB charging should be between 5-5.6VDC. Then also be aware of any heat that may come from the device. I am betting that the input side of the transformer for the USB port power accepts 110-250V 50/60Hz. If you buy this one, please let me know the outcome, so that I can share it with others.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: using a 110v power-strip on 230v boat - Positive Included this time

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Porter,

A long answer for a short question:

I really like the power strip that I bought in Martinique at the computer shop at du Marin. It had 6 220VAC EU (French) receptacles and it had 2 USB receptacles for charging USB connected devices...at times I could have used more USB charging ports.

Of course, you must remember that when it is plugged into 220VAC, it delivers 220VAC to the 6 AC receptacles...and I would NOT plug it into 110VAC. 

I am not entirely sure how the internal circuit and transformer for the USB receptacles works with USA 220VAC 60htz, but when I was in Trinidad, I used this device for 4 months and the USB Voltage measured at 5.2VDC, which is within 5% of 5VDC and should be fine.

I like this one from Amazon, but I am not 100% sure that it will work with 220VAC 50htz. I like it so much, that I would be willing to try it: https://www.amazon.com/Protector-3-Outlet-Charging-Station-Childproof/dp/B0719FWCFP/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1500562970&sr=1-5&keywords=power+strip+for+europe

The above from Amazon has a USA 110VAC plug. Nowhere does it state it will take EU current, but I found possibly the same device here at Ebay France: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Power-Strips-with-USB-ports-3-Way-Outlets-6-USB-Ports-Surge-Protection-Power-Str-/222585602171?hash=item33d322c07b:g:6yMAAOSw-wFZbe07

I believe that it is the same device, but with a either a UK or EU 220VAC plug and UK receptacles which I believe will will take a EU two prong plug without a UK to EU adapter...I can't be sure. The specs state:110-250V, Max Output: 2500W 10A , USB Output: 5V 3.4A Frequency: 50/60Hz 

If it were me (no liability accepted), I think I would order the one above from Amazon US and use an US to EU adapter to plug it into a 220VAC 50htz French style outlet that you have on your boat. You might also take an old USB wire, cut it, strip it and check the voltage between the black and red wires when plugged into one of the 6 USB ports on the power strip. USB charging should be between 5-5.6VDC. Then also be aware of any heat that may come from the device. I am betting that the input side of the transformer for the USB port power accepts 110-250V 50/60Hz. If you buy this one, please let me know the outcome, so that I can share it with others.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: using a 110v power-strip on 230v boat - Positive Included this time

Porter McRoberts
 

Bill 
Can you make a recommendation as to what to get?  No implied liability of course! 

Thank you as always!  Porter


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jul 19, 2017, at 9:17 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Absolutely correct Gary!

Some of the US 110VAC power strips have electronics inside which are vulnerable to 230VAC 50htz.

This issue is that Duane, or anyone else trying this risky substitute for the "right thing," won't know whether the device will melt-down or not. It is one of the reasons I said in my reply to Duane, "There also could be lots of other issues...It is much simpler and much better to..." 

Maybe I should have gone into more detail, and I apologize for not giving the "burn your boat to the waterline" warning. I had written "other issues," and need to state that this is not the only other issue.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Jul 18, 2017 22:58, "Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

If the power strip has surge protection it will fry with the 230v (I think). I did have one power strip smoke off, without any load, aboard already so I don't have them any more.
We do have an inverter for the 110v loads and that seems to be a good solution.
In lieu of a strip I use short length, one-to-three extensions.

Gary W.
S/V Adagio
Marmaris, Turkey



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump for the Calpeda BCM 20E "Tropicalized"

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I believe that the Calpeda pump may be slightly underrated when all 3 compressors are cycling ON...AND, the March pump that Ben installed is slightly less than the Calpeda pump. However, in my experience you will rarely turn ON all 3 ACs, and even more rarely, will they all cycle ON at the same time. Slightly undersized AC water pumps will result in slightly less cooling capability when all 3 compressors are cycled ON. 

I like the Calpeda pump and both versions of the March pump mentioned here, but for different reasons. I like the Calpeda pump for its quality and durability. This pump will likely last 20 years with only capacitor and mechanical seal failures...each easy to repair...that is hard to beat in a saltwater pump. If the mechanical seal fails (evidenced by water dripping) and it not immediately replaced, the bearing on the pump side of the motor will also fail. And, of course, I love the magnetic drive of the March pump. I believe the March pump that Ben mentions can be a good substitute for either the Calpeda pump or the LP pump for a 160 liter Dessalator.

Here is a "PEARL" of information. The pump Amel used is the Calpeda BCM 20E "Tropicalized." I am not sure about all of the "Tropicalized" modifications, but one is that the non-Tropicalized BCM20 comes with a plastic capacitor. In the tropics, you need a aluminum capacitor, that comes with the Calpeda BCM 20E "Tropicalized" pump. I became aware of this because an Amel School client bought a SM in the tropics which had a new Calpeda pump installed...it came with a plastic capacitor, which continued to fail because of heat until it was replaced with the same rating aluminum capacitor.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Mark,
My March pump puts out 951 GPH @50 hz.  True, this is less than Calpeda.  I loosely used Bill Rouse's formula of 1 GPM for every 4,000 BTU which says I need min 405 GPH. I have more than double using that metric.  In any event all works well for over a year.   The pump I replaced was a March LC-5C-MD (original Calpeda failed ten years ago) which had a slightly lower capacity than current unit:  54.8 LPM vs. 60 LPM.   It lasted nearly nine years.  Two of three AC's are original and run well.  Aft unit was replaced with Marine Air 10K unit as previous owner wanted to be frozen. 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:45 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I’m not sure that the AC model has sufficient flow ratings when compared to the TE model. Keep in mind that when plugged into 50 Hz the pump operates about 10% lower. The TE model more closely matched the original Calpeda’s specs.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

 

 

Hi Oliver

We replaced original pump with March.  It cost much less than Italian pump and has an excellent reputation.   See below 

Ben

 

March pump  AC-5C-MD  230v  1020 gph   Replacement pump for Cruisair PMA1000C

 

 

Ben Driver

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On Jul 19, 2017, at 10:07 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oliver,

 

We replaced the expensive Italian Calpeda pump installed by Amel with this: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html. It works much better than the Calpeda (very old technology and expensive parts - also not suitable to ground to the bonding system). The March pump doesn't need to connect the housing to the bonding system since it is plastic where seawater touches (you will need to connect to the ground). You can probably get the pump cheaper if you shop other than coastal climate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

If you wish to replace with the same pump (after all, ours lasted 15 years) Coastal Climate is the USA dealer: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/water-pumps.html  They are the people who recommended the March pump to me and it has worked well for 2+ years. It was an easy swap as the foot print and hoses are similar. You need to jump the wiring to make it 220v (instructions are included – very easy to do)

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

 

 

Hi everybody!

 

We have the original Calpeda BCM20E AC pump on board of our 13 year old SM 2000. We would like to buy a spare pump as long as the boat is in the US, where it is easy and cheaper to buy. 

 

Has anyone experience with the march AC-5C-MD AC pump. It runs 50 or 60 hertz and it has an magnetic drive, what sounds interesting. The inlet connection is 1 inch and the outlet is 1/2  inch would this fit? 




Oliver 

SV JoEmi SM 2000 no. 397


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

Mark Erdos
 

I’m not sure that the AC model has sufficient flow ratings when compared to the TE model. Keep in mind that when plugged into 50 Hz the pump operates about 10% lower. The TE model more closely matched the original Calpeda’s specs.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

 

 

Hi Oliver

We replaced original pump with March.  It cost much less than Italian pump and has an excellent reputation.   See below 

Ben

 

March pump  AC-5C-MD  230v  1020 gph   Replacement pump for Cruisair PMA1000C

 

 

Ben Driver

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On Jul 19, 2017, at 10:07 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oliver,

 

We replaced the expensive Italian Calpeda pump installed by Amel with this: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html. It works much better than the Calpeda (very old technology and expensive parts - also not suitable to ground to the bonding system). The March pump doesn't need to connect the housing to the bonding system since it is plastic where seawater touches (you will need to connect to the ground). You can probably get the pump cheaper if you shop other than coastal climate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

If you wish to replace with the same pump (after all, ours lasted 15 years) Coastal Climate is the USA dealer: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/water-pumps.html  They are the people who recommended the March pump to me and it has worked well for 2+ years. It was an easy swap as the foot print and hoses are similar. You need to jump the wiring to make it 220v (instructions are included – very easy to do)

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

 

 

Hi everybody!

 

We have the original Calpeda BCM20E AC pump on board of our 13 year old SM 2000. We would like to buy a spare pump as long as the boat is in the US, where it is easy and cheaper to buy. 

 

Has anyone experience with the march AC-5C-MD AC pump. It runs 50 or 60 hertz and it has an magnetic drive, what sounds interesting. The inlet connection is 1 inch and the outlet is 1/2  inch would this fit? 




Oliver 

SV JoEmi SM 2000 no. 397


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Moorings near Manhattan

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Bob
We will make an over night  stop at Sandy Hook, before proceeding towards Ellis Island
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Oliver
We paid slightly less than $300 on eBay.  It was an easy switch from Italian pump.  
Ben 

Hi Ben - Thank you for purchasing as an eBay Guest. We will update you when your order ships to 2545 S Leyden St.

PAID : $291.39 with PayPal 


View order details

March pump  AC-5C-MD  230v  1020 gph   Replacement pump for Cruisair PMA1000C...

March pump AC-5C-MD 230v 1020 gph Replacement pump for Cruisair PMA1000C

Estimated delivery: Mon. Oct. 24 

Item Id: 162232530962
Transaction Id 1466000971006
Quantity:
1


Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 19, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Oliver
We replaced original pump with March.  It cost much less than Italian pump and has an excellent reputation.   See below 
Ben

March pump  AC-5C-MD  230v  1020 gph   Replacement pump for Cruisair PMA1000C


Ben Driver
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 19, 2017, at 10:07 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oliver,

 

We replaced the expensive Italian Calpeda pump installed by Amel with this: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html. It works much better than the Calpeda (very old technology and expensive parts - also not suitable to ground to the bonding system). The March pump doesn't need to connect the housing to the bonding system since it is plastic where seawater touches (you will need to connect to the ground). You can probably get the pump cheaper if you shop other than coastal climate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

If you wish to replace with the same pump (after all, ours lasted 15 years) Coastal Climate is the USA dealer: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/water-pumps.html  They are the people who recommended the March pump to me and it has worked well for 2+ years. It was an easy swap as the foot print and hoses are similar. You need to jump the wiring to make it 220v (instructions are included – very easy to do)

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

 

 

Hi everybody!

 

We have the original Calpeda BCM20E AC pump on board of our 13 year old SM 2000. We would like to buy a spare pump as long as the boat is in the US, where it is easy and cheaper to buy. 

 

Has anyone experience with the march AC-5C-MD AC pump. It runs 50 or 60 hertz and it has an magnetic drive, what sounds interesting. The inlet connection is 1 inch and the outlet is 1/2  inch would this fit? 



Oliver 

SV JoEmi SM 2000 no. 397


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Hi Oliver
We replaced original pump with March.  It cost much less than Italian pump and has an excellent reputation.   See below 
Ben

March pump  AC-5C-MD  230v  1020 gph   Replacement pump for Cruisair PMA1000C


Ben Driver
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 19, 2017, at 10:07 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oliver,

 

We replaced the expensive Italian Calpeda pump installed by Amel with this: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html. It works much better than the Calpeda (very old technology and expensive parts - also not suitable to ground to the bonding system). The March pump doesn't need to connect the housing to the bonding system since it is plastic where seawater touches (you will need to connect to the ground). You can probably get the pump cheaper if you shop other than coastal climate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

If you wish to replace with the same pump (after all, ours lasted 15 years) Coastal Climate is the USA dealer: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/water-pumps.html  They are the people who recommended the March pump to me and it has worked well for 2+ years. It was an easy swap as the foot print and hoses are similar. You need to jump the wiring to make it 220v (instructions are included – very easy to do)

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

 

 

Hi everybody!

 

We have the original Calpeda BCM20E AC pump on board of our 13 year old SM 2000. We would like to buy a spare pump as long as the boat is in the US, where it is easy and cheaper to buy. 

 

Has anyone experience with the march AC-5C-MD AC pump. It runs 50 or 60 hertz and it has an magnetic drive, what sounds interesting. The inlet connection is 1 inch and the outlet is 1/2  inch would this fit? 



Oliver 

SV JoEmi SM 2000 no. 397


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Moorings near Manhattan

rossirossix4
 

Hi Paul
There are 3 anchorage areas near the Statue of Liberty--1) west of Liberty Island before the Liberty State Park boat ramp, Latitude: 40°41.746'N Longitude: 074°03.835'W  2) behind Liberty Island Latitude: 40°41.481'N
Longitude: 074°03.057'W 3) 3)Ellis Island North Latitude: 40°42.182'N Longitude: 074°02.325'W .  Approach instructions and ratings are on Active Captain www.activecaptain.com (you will need a laptop as it uses flash but the information is excellent.  I also sent you information by email on Port Washington where there are mooring balls that are free for 2 days and anchoring can be done (we anchored there for 7 days with our Santorin).  The Long Island Railroad station is nearby. Again, very good and detailed information is available on Active Captain.  We have anchored near City Island, Little Bay, and Little Neck Bay.  And yes, these are covered well by Active Captain along with other anchorages.  Reviews and exact Long/Lat are included there. We have anchored in the Hudson just outside of the mooring balls north of the 79th Street Boat Basin, but with the reversing current it is not for the feint of heart.  You could call the 79th Street Boat Basin at (212) 496-2105 but usually their moorings are for under 41' although we spent 6 months cumulative there over the years with our 46' Amel.  Not sure where you are sailing from but you can (we have) anchor just outside the entrance of Atlantic Highlands Marina in Sandy Hook. 
Bob KAIMI SM429
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Using a 110V power-strip on 230V boat?

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

I am an electrical engineer, but of course ....  sometimes the advice is worth exactly what you pay for it....

The person the wrote that the wrote that the current will be less if operating at 220V rather than 110V is correct...  And, IF, there are no electrical circuits within your power adapter, all the connections should work great!  No problemo!  V=I*R  1/2 the voltage...  1/2 the current.  All wires are rated on current.... YES.... BUT - There could be a problem because of the higher voltage because of gaps.  Higher voltage requires a larger gap between the two wires, and potentially different coatings on those wires.   So, the higher voltage could jump through the thin plastic wall between the two poles,  and potentially start a fire.

So,  there could be a problem....  Buy a good solid power strip without any circuits within.. you should be good to go. 

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM 262


On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 4:49 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Bill,

Good point about the guests!

We don't use anything on the boat that is 110 only, so that's not an issue for us...all of our appliances are 230V/50hz.  All the battery operated equipment is 110-240V and 50 or 60hz.  The outlets and microwave are full time 220V 50hz thanks to the inverter that powers that breaker.  I decided to do it that way so we wouldn't have to stop and think about what was powering the outlets.

We have lots of EU to USA adapters, it's more just convenience to have a power strip with multiple outlets to charge computers and cell phones all in one place.

Thanks for your thoughts and keep 'em coming!
Duane



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

Mark Erdos
 

Oliver,

 

We replaced the expensive Italian Calpeda pump installed by Amel with this: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html. It works much better than the Calpeda (very old technology and expensive parts - also not suitable to ground to the bonding system). The March pump doesn't need to connect the housing to the bonding system since it is plastic where seawater touches (you will need to connect to the ground). You can probably get the pump cheaper if you shop other than coastal climate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

If you wish to replace with the same pump (after all, ours lasted 15 years) Coastal Climate is the USA dealer: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/water-pumps.html  They are the people who recommended the March pump to me and it has worked well for 2+ years. It was an easy swap as the foot print and hoses are similar. You need to jump the wiring to make it 220v (instructions are included – very easy to do)

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:58 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC spare pump

 

 

Hi everybody!

 

We have the original Calpeda BCM20E AC pump on board of our 13 year old SM 2000. We would like to buy a spare pump as long as the boat is in the US, where it is easy and cheaper to buy. 

 

Has anyone experience with the march AC-5C-MD AC pump. It runs 50 or 60 hertz and it has an magnetic drive, what sounds interesting. The inlet connection is 1 inch and the outlet is 1/2  inch would this fit? 



Oliver 

SV JoEmi SM 2000 no. 397


AC spare pump

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Hi everybody!


We have the original Calpeda BCM20E AC pump on board of our 13 year old SM 2000. We would like to buy a spare pump as long as the boat is in the US, where it is easy and cheaper to buy. 


Has anyone experience with the march AC-5C-MD AC pump. It runs 50 or 60 hertz and it has an magnetic drive, what sounds interesting. The inlet connection is 1 inch and the outlet is 1/2  inch would this fit? 


Oliver 

SV JoEmi SM 2000 no. 397


Re: Speed Sails

greatketch@...
 

Jay,

Many of your questions I do not feel I have the data to comment on with authority, but I will toss out a few nuggets.

I would be very uncomfortable with the idea of carrying a spinnaker with the mainsail furled.  If the wind picks up you can really have your hands full trying to get the spinnaker down without the mainsail to provide a lee.  I know in theory you could unfurl the main if you needed to...  but things can go wrong. I once watched someone in San Francisco Bay get caught in the afternoon winds with just a kite up--no mainsail.  They ended up exploding the sail before they could get it down.

When you talk about someone having a spinnaker on the main and mizzen masts...  I know there is such a thing as a mizzen spinnaker, but I have never seen one outside of a photograph.  You might be referring to the mizzen staysail, which though also usually made of nylon, and is quite a different beast, and much tamer to handle.

On a Super Maramu, if the boat is aggressively rounding up, one or more sails are over-trimmed. This is true of any well balanced boat, which I assume the Mango is.  With good attention to sail trim a SM will hold a course with no more than a few degrees of rudder--on any point of sail.  The mizzen is definitely the first place to start.  But remember, ALL the sails are important to keeping the boat balanced.  If you are heeled too far over--even from just a tightly sheeted genoa--you WILL round up.

For me, 3 or 4 degrees of rudder is an acceptable amount of weather helm.  More than that means too much canvas or sails trimmed too tight, or both.

As for top speeds, you might get better answer from others.  We are in full cruising mode and always shorthanded, so we rarely press our boat as hard as she can go. We usually are aiming for comfort and safety rather than raw speed.  Under most all conditions I am dialing back some sail when I see STW getting over 10 knots, and that would be more like 8 when I am close hauled in any kind of seaway.

In lighter winds, for upwind work I have an informal target boat speed of 1/2 the true wind speed.  That works pretty good all the way from 3 to 12 or 14 knots of wind.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Beverly, Mass

---In amelyachtowners@..., <jwagam@...> wrote :

Hi Amel Owners,

First off, thank you for all of the knowledge and boat parts you all have provided. Your generosity has been overwhelming.

As previously mentioned, as I am preparing to go cruising, I am racing locally. I have a few questions that would be hugely helpful if anyone has experience:

1: Sailboat data doesn't have J, I and P2 measurements for the Mango. Is it the same on the Mango and SM? I am going to just measure it but would be interested in knowing if there is a variance.

2: Has anyone made a Mango or SM code 0? If so, what kind max speed did you achieve on a broad reach?

3. Anyone selling a code zero?

4. Downwind I have seen many flying a spinnaker on the head and Mizzen with a furled main. Is this the fastest sail plan downwind? I have had fun with a spin then going wing to wing with the Mizzen and main but speed has not been great.

5. What is the fastest speed you have achieved and on what point of sail?

6. The boat has the tendency to want to turn upwind when pointing around 60 degrees off the wind. I am concerned the rudder is causing a good amount of drag. Is this a Mizzen trimming issue?

So far, I have been impressed with my upwind performance - somewhat surprising considering the amount of freeboard.

I really appreciate all the support bringing "Hobo Tiempo" back to life.

Best Regards
Jay Wagamon
Hobo Tiempo
Mango #60



Speed Sails

J Wagamon <jwagam@...>
 

Hi Amel Owners,

First off, thank you for all of the knowledge and boat parts you all have provided. Your generosity has been overwhelming.

As previously mentioned, as I am preparing to go cruising, I am racing locally. I have a few questions that would be hugely helpful if anyone has experience:

1: Sailboat data doesn't have J, I and P2 measurements for the Mango. Is it the same on the Mango and SM? I am going to just measure it but would be interested in knowing if there is a variance.

2: Has anyone made a Mango or SM code 0? If so, what kind max speed did you achieve on a broad reach?

3. Anyone selling a code zero?

4. Downwind I have seen many flying a spinnaker on the head and Mizzen with a furled main. Is this the fastest sail plan downwind? I have had fun with a spin then going wing to wing with the Mizzen and main but speed has not been great.

5. What is the fastest speed you have achieved and on what point of sail?

6. The boat has the tendency to want to turn upwind when pointing around 60 degrees off the wind. I am concerned the rudder is causing a good amount of drag. Is this a Mizzen trimming issue?

So far, I have been impressed with my upwind performance - somewhat surprising considering the amount of freeboard.

I really appreciate all the support bringing "Hobo Tiempo" back to life.

Best Regards
Jay Wagamon
Hobo Tiempo
Mango #60


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: using a 110v power-strip on 230v boat - Positive Included this time

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Absolutely correct Gary!

Some of the US 110VAC power strips have electronics inside which are vulnerable to 230VAC 50htz.

This issue is that Duane, or anyone else trying this risky substitute for the "right thing," won't know whether the device will melt-down or not. It is one of the reasons I said in my reply to Duane, "There also could be lots of other issues...It is much simpler and much better to..." 

Maybe I should have gone into more detail, and I apologize for not giving the "burn your boat to the waterline" warning. I had written "other issues," and need to state that this is not the only other issue.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Jul 18, 2017 22:58, "Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

If the power strip has surge protection it will fry with the 230v (I think). I did have one power strip smoke off, without any load, aboard already so I don't have them any more.
We do have an inverter for the 110v loads and that seems to be a good solution.
In lieu of a strip I use short length, one-to-three extensions.

Gary W.
S/V Adagio
Marmaris, Turkey



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Anchor Wash Pump

greatketch@...
 

As per the Feit website, the S40 pump is rated for pressures to 2 bar (about 30 PSI).  

Several people have used these pumps with nozzles to get anything more stubborn than sand off the chain. These pumps should never be used with any kind of shutoff nozzle because deadheading the pump would definitely NOT be good for it, but something to give a directed flow of water shouldn't be a problem.

We use a fixed plastic nozzle that works great when we are in a place with sticky mud.  We have found the Amel configured anchor wash to be a great idea that really doesn't work that well in the real world of gunky mud where an anchor wash is most needed.  Either a nozzle or a brush is needed when the mud gets cohesive (if it is really bad, both!).  

We find the nozzle to be more convenient and is our first go-to tool.  When combined with the wired remote, we can pull the chain and spray at the same time, other people prefer using a brush. 

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Beverly, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Thanks, Bill.  It was never a problem with the old pump and the same nozzle.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, 

Your problem is caused by you using a nozzle. Your original pump cannot take any back pressure. I can't remember where I read this, either the pump specs or the Amel Manual. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Anchor Wash Pump

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul , If you keep it on the hard , Skipjack is very clean , boats stored on a blacktop surface , approx $1700.00 haul / storage /launch . Stored in water Georgetown Marina , slip with bubbler $850. Nov. to end of April . Sorry we missed you , maybe next time.
Pat SM # 123


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jul 18, 2017 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Anchor Wash Pump

 
Thank you,
We might keep Kerpa up in the Sassafras river for the winter, in that case we will be back, and we will be happy to visit you. We where by your boat but no one aboard.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259


Re: using a 110v power-strip on 230v boat?

Gary Wells
 

If the power strip has surge protection it will fry with the 230v (I think). I did have one power strip smoke off, without any load, aboard already so I don't have them any more.
We do have an inverter for the 110v loads and that seems to be a good solution.
In lieu of a strip I use short length, one-to-three extensions.

Gary W.
S/V Adagio
Marmaris, Turkey