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Re: rub rail insert

Rink De Haan
 

Hi Patric and Jarek

I am also in the process of changing my rub rail insert. 
I got mine from Amel and got a profile drawing from Maud to check the type of insert (see picture). 
The yard in Greece is currently removing the old one. I can tell the price after a few days. 
I’ll insert the new one after the rub rail is polished. That will be in April. 

Hope this helps
Regards 
Rink
SY Razor’s Edge
2001 Amel SM2K #330 

Op vr 7 feb. 2020 om 10:44 schreef Jarek Zemlo via Groups.Io <noa_blue=protonmail.com@groups.io>

Hello Patric,

I am intending to do the same but can not get the new insert. Contacted AMEL but they replied that they do not have the new for my SM 1997. Where did you get yours if I may ask? 

I am in Belgium at present reciting my boat and $ 1.600 sounds very high. I guess here I can do this operation fo 50% less if not lower. 

AMEL quoted EUR 25,95 per running metre for the new insert but they are not sure if this is the correct profile for my SM 1997.

Cheers
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Re: rub rail insert

Jarek Zemlo
 

Hello Patric,

I am intending to do the same but can not get the new insert. Contacted AMEL but they replied that they do not have the new for my SM 1997. Where did you get yours if I may ask? 

I am in Belgium at present reciting my boat and $ 1.600 sounds very high. I guess here I can do this operation fo 50% less if not lower. 

AMEL quoted EUR 25,95 per running metre for the new insert but they are not sure if this is the correct profile for my SM 1997.

Cheers
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE

Re: AM54 inverter 24/220 volts

ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

Dear all, THX so much,
I really appreciate all your investigation and recommendation. thats all true. The previous owner obviously didn´t ordered this regular inverter from Amel.
Until today I also can´t find any special inverter switch on the Gen panel, also nothing in engine room close to the chargers. As 2 years ago our 100A Mastervolt charger died,I made the mistake not to order an Mastervolt Mass Combi Charger/Inverter. sh... happens. 
The both small blue Victrons under the chart table I recognized already, just for mobil charging and onboard computers and TV set...Too slim for regular housekeeping devices, so we use a watercooker to boil our daily amount of hot water for coffee and tea. Then we keep it hot until next day in a Thermos jar.
Now if we are all together let me ask an other issue: our Corian worktop beside the sinks got a crack about 15 cm. Is there any possibility to repair or filling up with identical material without need to exchange the complete worktop? Corian is an artificial composite material, so should be able to repair from surface down?
Any suggestions and ideas are very warm welcome. THX!

Ulrich
"Soleil Bleu" /AM54/#88 

Re: Selling an Amel Mango

Mark Barter
 

Another shout for Michel Charpentier. He is the best broker I have ever dealt with and a great guy too.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110

Re: Selling an Amel Mango

Davi Rozgonyi
 

I second the advice of finding Michel Charpentier... He found us Wake (SM#56) here in the Med. Amel is all he does as far as I know. Very simple, very very trustworthy. You can shake his hand and count on it being a done deal. 

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Matt Salatino
 

Do you mean brushless, or stepper motor? Two different animals, though both are brushless.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 6, 2020, at 10:53 PM, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I will answer tomorrow more in detail bcs its late now. 

So far just a word in advance to prevent from guessing too much.

1. A brushless motor as we use it is in no way a motor where you just hook up some power and it starts turning. 
These motors need a precise timing on their coils there fore they are:
-Highly efficient
-light weight
-very powerfull
-rpm controllable
-no wear parts exept ballbearings
-ignitionproof

2. They are controlled by micro computers. The microcomputer connects to the AMEL hardware. 
There are no rellays involved. Relays are inefficient. 
I can provide a design note, its manly only 3 component groups, but it will not help anybody because the involved software is the key. 


3. Yes, I am willing to set up a pump system that is simple to install and replaces the old pump. I imagine it will be just a modern replacement to get rid of the problems.

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54 #39 
Martinique 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 09:44 Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Oliver,

Thanks for responding. I think you have the best solution we have heard of - we will all be very grateful if we can solve this annoying problem. A few questions for you:

1) Will you be willing to sell me this "more simple adapter"? You're obviously far more versed in electrical engineering than I am. I currently have the setup with 1 fridge and 2 fridge/freezers which each have a Frigoboat W50F compressor. The 1 fridge has a built in thermostat and the 2 fridge/freezers have this thermostat: https://penguinfrigo.co.uk/product/frigomatic-twin-thermostat-for-fridge-or-freezer/.    Those are fed to the E51385 Box. 

2) My system uses fresh water to cool the fridges. I assume I can put a temp sensor in the freshwater return? The additional complication not necessary for me, but if you think it drastically improves efficiency, I'm willing to do it.

3) Also, given my basic setup, is there a way to coordinate the compressor run times without adding the MCU? I believe I could reduce pump duty cycle if the fridges/freezers would try to run at the same time. Again, if it's too complicated, I don't need it.

4) Is there a 12v pump available? I would rather use the 12v output of the E51385 than put in another relay.

I would assume if I use a 24v motor, the way to get 24v would be to use the E51385 output to control a Hella relay, which would then pass through 24v that I get from the posts near the chain wash pump. Since I'm at 80%+ duty cycle, I would rather not have a relay that is energized all the time for heat, longevity and energy consumption reasons.

Your solution is the best we've seen and I'm sure many of us will want to copy it. I'm hoping it is something that can be installed and managed by someone without your technical skills.

Thanks in advance

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Plastic part holding most spotlights &

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Nick

How did you get on repairing/replacing the broken plastic inner parts holding the broken wall lights?  We also have this problem and are keen to try and get them repaired.

Regards

Ross and Donna
SM2K #356
INTREPID KIWI


On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 21:43, Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via Groups.Io
<southernadventurer@...> wrote:
I’m keen to know how you got on as I too need some replacements.

Regards

Ross and Donna
SM2K #356
INTREPID KIWI


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On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 8:59 PM, Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi@...> wrote:

Hi everybody

I have several of this plastic parts holing the spotlight and lamps on board broken .
i contacted the Italian manufacturer (Cantalupi lighting S.R.L) to no avail,they do not stock it anymore .
anybody has an ersatz, or shall I try 3D printing ?
thanks 
Nick
s/v DarNico-Sm2K #471

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello,

I will answer tomorrow more in detail bcs its late now. 

So far just a word in advance to prevent from guessing too much.

1. A brushless motor as we use it is in no way a motor where you just hook up some power and it starts turning. 
These motors need a precise timing on their coils there fore they are:
-Highly efficient
-light weight
-very powerfull
-rpm controllable
-no wear parts exept ballbearings
-ignitionproof

2. They are controlled by micro computers. The microcomputer connects to the AMEL hardware. 
There are no rellays involved. Relays are inefficient. 
I can provide a design note, its manly only 3 component groups, but it will not help anybody because the involved software is the key. 


3. Yes, I am willing to set up a pump system that is simple to install and replaces the old pump. I imagine it will be just a modern replacement to get rid of the problems.

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54 #39 
Martinique 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 09:44 Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Oliver,

Thanks for responding. I think you have the best solution we have heard of - we will all be very grateful if we can solve this annoying problem. A few questions for you:

1) Will you be willing to sell me this "more simple adapter"? You're obviously far more versed in electrical engineering than I am. I currently have the setup with 1 fridge and 2 fridge/freezers which each have a Frigoboat W50F compressor. The 1 fridge has a built in thermostat and the 2 fridge/freezers have this thermostat: https://penguinfrigo.co.uk/product/frigomatic-twin-thermostat-for-fridge-or-freezer/.    Those are fed to the E51385 Box. 

2) My system uses fresh water to cool the fridges. I assume I can put a temp sensor in the freshwater return? The additional complication not necessary for me, but if you think it drastically improves efficiency, I'm willing to do it.

3) Also, given my basic setup, is there a way to coordinate the compressor run times without adding the MCU? I believe I could reduce pump duty cycle if the fridges/freezers would try to run at the same time. Again, if it's too complicated, I don't need it.

4) Is there a 12v pump available? I would rather use the 12v output of the E51385 than put in another relay.

I would assume if I use a 24v motor, the way to get 24v would be to use the E51385 output to control a Hella relay, which would then pass through 24v that I get from the posts near the chain wash pump. Since I'm at 80%+ duty cycle, I would rather not have a relay that is energized all the time for heat, longevity and energy consumption reasons.

Your solution is the best we've seen and I'm sure many of us will want to copy it. I'm hoping it is something that can be installed and managed by someone without your technical skills.

Thanks in advance

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Bill,

Being the thread OP, i agree it’s getting a bit too long and confusing. 

We can agree that there isn’t yet a final, definitive answer to the original question about the best way to address the longevity issues of the A54 fridge circulation pump.

Ideally, Oliver would write up and share a document that interested owners (including myself) can review, extend and finalise for laymen to potentially implement his solution.

Ideally, Oliver would also gather data about performances of his setup in tropical waters, much warmer than Portugal’s, to ensure the improvement still exists and may therefore help most of the ‘disappointed’ users.

Best regards,


Thomas & Soraya,
GARULFO 
A54-122
Nuku Hiva, French Polynesia 







On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 08:34, Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill. I agree with you completely, as I am one of the 2 whom I believe have ordered the parts Oliver noted.

I remain a bit confused myself, but I do intend to do my own homework and see if I can make his ideas work for me. In the event I am successful, I will report exactly what I did for others to consider. I would do so in a new thread, so as not to continue this one.

I hope that is acceptable to everyone out there.

Over and out for now.
Thanks,
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44

rub rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

I am having my boat awlgripped and will have a new insert installed in the rub rail. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how many man hours it took to install the rubber insert , or how much was charged to install it. I have been quoted $1,600. for labor to remove and install a new insert. I would think one hour to remove and maybe two guys  five hrs. to install , so even at $100./hr. it seems high. Is this a harder and longer job than I estimate.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Re: AM54 inverter 24/220 volts

Peter Forbes
 

Yup Carango is like that too - inverter under chart table but really only powerful enough to charge mobiles and laptops - no toasters/ electric drills etc.

Peter
Peter Forbes 
Carango
A54#035

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:21, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> wrote:
The inverter you reference and Mohammad discusses may be an option that the original owner did not purchase from Amel.  We have a small inverter under the nav station that powers the entertainment system and an outlet strip installed by the first owner under the nav station for a computer and phone chargers.  The 220 volt outlets are energized only when connected to shore power or when the generator is running.
--
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

--
Best wishes
Peter Forbes
+44 (0) 7836 209730

Measure

Stefano Biffi
 

Hi all, anyone can tell me the distance between cleats and transom in a super Maramu. I am far from the boat
Thanks

Stefano
N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185
Italy

Re: AM54 inverter 24/220 volts

 

What you speak of was an option:
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On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:21 PM Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> wrote:
The inverter you reference and Mohammad discusses may be an option that the original owner did not purchase from Amel.  We have a small inverter under the nav station that powers the entertainment system and an outlet strip installed by the first owner under the nav station for a computer and phone chargers.  The 220 volt outlets are energized only when connected to shore power or when the generator is running.
--
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


--
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Re: AM54 inverter 24/220 volts

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The inverter you reference and Mohammad discusses may be an option that the original owner did not purchase from Amel.  We have a small inverter under the nav station that powers the entertainment system and an outlet strip installed by the first owner under the nav station for a computer and phone chargers.  The 220 volt outlets are energized only when connected to shore power or when the generator is running.
--
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Jamie Wendell
 

Thanks Bill. I agree with you completely, as I am one of the 2 whom I believe have ordered the parts Oliver noted.

I remain a bit confused myself, but I do intend to do my own homework and see if I can make his ideas work for me. In the event I am successful, I will report exactly what I did for others to consider. I would do so in a new thread, so as not to continue this one.

I hope that is acceptable to everyone out there.

Over and out for now.
Thanks,
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44

Re: AM54 inverter 24/220 volts

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello and welcome to the group;

 

You will get to love your A54 as you get more familiar with her. A truly magnificent exploration machine.

 

The inverter is installed on a bulkhead in the engine room, next to the two chargers. There is a remote inverter switch on the generator panel in the galley. When not on shore power and generator is off, you can power the 220V breaker and the microwave breaker by turning the remote inverter switch on.

 

You should turn the remote switch on, wait for the green inverter light to come on and then turn on the breaker. Keep in mind that you need to make sure that the power draw does not exceed the capacity of your inverter. You can see what size inverter you have by checking the model on the unit in the engine room. On ours we had the 2500 W initially installed. Also keep in mind that inverter rating is temperature related and as the temperature goes up, the inverter capacity goes down. You can also find this information on the spec sheets, when you have figured out what inverter is installed. Also, do not use the toaster function of the microwave/toaster with the inverter.

 

This is the setup on our 54, yours may differ slightly.

 

I would like to point out that there are so many systems on board, that getting some training from an experience Amel owner, will help you come up to speed months and maybe years quicker and get a lot more enjoyment out of your Amel.  Without sounding like a plug, I would recommend Bill Rouse’s service. He is a knowledgeable previous Amel owner that has circumnavigated and is passionate about Amels and has assisted many on the technical aspects of our complex yachts.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 9:07 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] AM54 inverter 24/220 volts

 

Hello, Amelians,

we have long been gratefully following the valuable and helpful exchange of experiences in this great round. We are happy owners of "Soleil Bleu", AM54 / 88, which is currently hibernating in Leros, Greece. We will be back on board in April.

Since we haven't known our boat in detail for so long, I have a simple question: on the AM 54 a 24/220 Volts inverter should be installed, so that 220 V can be drawn from the sockets via the batteries even without a generator or shore power. So far I haven't discovered this inverter: where is it installed and how do I activate it? At the control panel there is only a fuse for 220 V sockets. But this does not work without external power supply. Is there anything special to consider to avoid damage. Up to now, we have always switched on the generator to draw 220 V on the road.

Thanks for any good advice from you all on this topic, also as a side issue.

Best Regards and always fair winds and one hand whisky in the bilge!

Ulrich Michael & Beate
"Soleil Bleu" /AM54#88

AM54 inverter 24/220 volts

ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

Hello, Amelians,
we have long been gratefully following the valuable and helpful exchange of experiences in this great round. We are happy owners of "Soleil Bleu", AM54 / 88, which is currently hibernating in Leros, Greece. We will be back on board in April.
Since we haven't known our boat in detail for so long, I have a simple question: on the AM 54 a 24/220 Volts inverter should be installed, so that 220 V can be drawn from the sockets via the batteries even without a generator or shore power. So far I haven't discovered this inverter: where is it installed and how do I activate it? At the control panel there is only a fuse for 220 V sockets. But this does not work without external power supply. Is there anything special to consider to avoid damage. Up to now, we have always switched on the generator to draw 220 V on the road.
Thanks for any good advice from you all on this topic, also as a side issue.

Best Regards and always fair winds and one hand whisky in the bilge!

Ulrich Michael & Beate
"Soleil Bleu" /AM54#88

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

 

Scott,

Oliver states: "This adapter is hooked up directly to the E51385 Box"  
Again, you found the exact question to ask. What is the "adapter?"   

My guess also is that the "adapter" is a relay, taking 12 volts from the Danfoss "fan" output on one side of the relay, and closing 24 volts on the other side of the relay, thus energizing a 24-volt circuit to the VESC which utilizes programmable logic and different sensors to energize a 24-volt pump motor. I believe that this "relay" would need to be installed for each of the refrigeration units. If that is true, and the primary goal is to get longer life from the motor, then why not simply use all of the existing Amel installed components, including the E51385 pump controller, except substitute a 12-volt brushless motor for the Flowjet motor? I believe that Oliver has designed and installed something that works well for him, but we are 68 messages in this thread and the system Oliver designed still eludes enough description for even an electrical engineer to duplicate.

I really think that I should shut this thread down because it is very misleading to all of the non-engineers, who happen to be a very large majority of our members. In fact, we are still guessing about this system. I saw where one member has already ordered some components. 

But, I am very interested in the specifics of Oliver's solution. If we cannot get to a specific duplicatable plan, I will shut this thread down and those interested will need to contact Oliver directly and off-group.


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On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 7:44 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Oliver,

Thanks for responding. I think you have the best solution we have heard of - we will all be very grateful if we can solve this annoying problem. A few questions for you:

1) Will you be willing to sell me this "more simple adapter"? You're obviously far more versed in electrical engineering than I am. I currently have the setup with 1 fridge and 2 fridge/freezers which each have a Frigoboat W50F compressor. The 1 fridge has a built in thermostat and the 2 fridge/freezers have this thermostat: https://penguinfrigo.co.uk/product/frigomatic-twin-thermostat-for-fridge-or-freezer/.    Those are fed to the E51385 Box. 

2) My system uses fresh water to cool the fridges. I assume I can put a temp sensor in the freshwater return? The additional complication not necessary for me, but if you think it drastically improves efficiency, I'm willing to do it.

3) Also, given my basic setup, is there a way to coordinate the compressor run times without adding the MCU? I believe I could reduce pump duty cycle if the fridges/freezers would try to run at the same time. Again, if it's too complicated, I don't need it.

4) Is there a 12v pump available? I would rather use the 12v output of the E51385 than put in another relay.

I would assume if I use a 24v motor, the way to get 24v would be to use the E51385 output to control a Hella relay, which would then pass through 24v that I get from the posts near the chain wash pump. Since I'm at 80%+ duty cycle, I would rather not have a relay that is energized all the time for heat, longevity and energy consumption reasons.

Your solution is the best we've seen and I'm sure many of us will want to copy it. I'm hoping it is something that can be installed and managed by someone without your technical skills.

Thanks in advance

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Oliver,

Thanks for responding. I think you have the best solution we have heard of - we will all be very grateful if we can solve this annoying problem. A few questions for you:

1) Will you be willing to sell me this "more simple adapter"? You're obviously far more versed in electrical engineering than I am. I currently have the setup with 1 fridge and 2 fridge/freezers which each have a Frigoboat W50F compressor. The 1 fridge has a built in thermostat and the 2 fridge/freezers have this thermostat: https://penguinfrigo.co.uk/product/frigomatic-twin-thermostat-for-fridge-or-freezer/.    Those are fed to the E51385 Box. 

2) My system uses fresh water to cool the fridges. I assume I can put a temp sensor in the freshwater return? The additional complication not necessary for me, but if you think it drastically improves efficiency, I'm willing to do it.

3) Also, given my basic setup, is there a way to coordinate the compressor run times without adding the MCU? I believe I could reduce pump duty cycle if the fridges/freezers would try to run at the same time. Again, if it's too complicated, I don't need it.

4) Is there a 12v pump available? I would rather use the 12v output of the E51385 than put in another relay.

I would assume if I use a 24v motor, the way to get 24v would be to use the E51385 output to control a Hella relay, which would then pass through 24v that I get from the posts near the chain wash pump. Since I'm at 80%+ duty cycle, I would rather not have a relay that is energized all the time for heat, longevity and energy consumption reasons.

Your solution is the best we've seen and I'm sure many of us will want to copy it. I'm hoping it is something that can be installed and managed by someone without your technical skills.

Thanks in advance

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Victron Quattro charger/inverter installation

James Cromie
 

I have installed the Quattro on our Super Maramu #347.  Indeed, the transfer switch capability of the Quattro is currently not necessary for is because of the original transfer switch.  I have the Quattro installed after the original transfer switch. However, when/if that switch fails, we now have redundancy, which I consider an important aspect of any system on our boat.

Indeed, you're paying a bit more money for the Quattro,  but when is anything on a boat ever cheap!

Best,
James
Soteria SM2k 347
Vista mar



On Feb 6, 2020 07:09, "Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica" <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hello,

I do not see the point to buy a quattro and bypass the AMEL shore power switch. If we would not have this switch it makes sense, but with an automatic switch installed? 

On my boat the multi is doing fine with the original AMEL setup. 

I split the AC panel, as described in my youtube video. Its no problem to move some breakers and carefully move the labels with them. One side / bus of AC pannel for inverter the other for shorepower/genset. It is also possible to split an AC bus. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54 #39 
Martinique 


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 05:52 David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
I've been reading through the various threads as I prepare to install solar and LiFePo on my Amel 54 and start ordering the components. It's tremendously helpful so thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences.

I'm just deciding between the Victron Multiplus and Quattro inverter/charger and would like to know why the majority of you appear to go for the Quattro. So far the existing Amel AC source selection system which automatically prioritises generator over shore power seems to work okay. Is it just a question of neatness or are there other reasons please?
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58