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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors

greatketch@...
 

Can anybody explain how I have gone my entire life working around household, industrial and marine equipment, and never replaced a capacitor on a motor, yet it seems to be a routine failure we talk about here?  Am I just lucky?  Or is there something going on?  Now to be fair, very few of the electric motors I have used around boats have been AC motors, so it might just be a sample too small to give useful data.

Is there something special about the electrical supply characteristics or the general environment on board that is causing this?  Maybe salt air getting into the capacitor and shorting out the plates?

For what it is worth, I haven't had a failure of a capacitor on Harmonie--yet. (I am sure just that just jinxed at least one of them!)  On the other had, we hardly ever use any of our AC motors, so it might just be a usage factor.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Frigoboat two speed fan not working

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

See the attached: Page from Amel School Book Part 3 - Mechanical.PDF

This is the trouble shooting guide that I have always used.

That fan switch is a push button switch. All push button switches are prone to failure when not used frequently. My guess is that you have one of the following in order of probability:
  1. Door not locked closed with Amel-made latch, door not properly aligned and/or sealed.
  2. Condenser coils, fan blades and fan ducting full of dust and need cleaning
  3. Compressor set at wrong speed (Blue wire should be plugged into "200 liters" (this is 3,000rpm) on the power module.) 
  4. Push Button Fan Speed Switch failure - use corrosionX
  5. Thermostat failure - use corrosionX
  6. Low refrigerant - unlikely
  7. Bad Compressor - very unlikely
Let me know what you find.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Frigoboat two speed fan not working

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Duane;
 
We did not have to pull the refrigerator to access the compressor. On ours, there is an air intake grill that can be removed and access the compressor and the compressor controller.
 
Is the compressor running continually with out stopping?
 
In regards to the thermostat setting you mention, I was talking about reducing the compressor RPM setting and not the thermostat setting. On ours there is what looks to be a variable resistor (POT) that you can adjust the compressor RPMs from 2000 to 3500. We reduced the RPMS from 3500 to 2000 to solve the issue.
 
In regards to the refrigerant in these compact units, be extremely careful. In my research, the company indicates that the amount of refrigerant in these units is extremely small and has to be set by the factory in "Lab conditions" to be able to get the amount correct. That is why they do not publish amounts or pressures because they believe that it cannot be done in the field. If an A/C "expert" from an auto industry, for example, steps on the boat and says that he needs to charge the system or somehow change the amount of refrigerant, I would not allow him. The tech must show that he/she is certified by Frigoboat, If I were to allow them to work on these units. Just my 2 cents.
 
Mohammad and Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo
 



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Frigoboat two speed fan not working

 

Mohammed,


1.  The compressor is running based on using a long screwdriver as a stethoscope.

2.  I'll check on the voltage issue you noted and see what I find.  Did you pull the frig out and attach at the compressor?

3.  We have a built-in alarm LED and it is not showing any alarms.  I can hear the fan running clearly although the two speed button is not functioning.  

I'll check on the voltage issue you noted and see what I find.  Did you pull the frig out and attach at the compressor?

We have had the frig thermostat set on the highest setting since purchasing the boat.  It won't cool adequately at a lower setting.  I'm starting to wonder if it's a slow leak in the refrigerant lines somewhere since it's gotten progressively worse over time.

Duane


Re: Frigoboat two speed fan not working

Duane Siegfri
 

Mohammed,

1.  The compressor is running based on using a long screwdriver as a stethoscope.

2.  I'll check on the voltage issue you noted and see what I find.  Did you pull the frig out and attach at the compressor?

3.  We have a built-in alarm LED and it is not showing any alarms.  I can hear the fan running clearly although the two speed button is not functioning.  

I'll check on the voltage issue you noted and see what I find.  Did you pull the frig out and attach at the compressor?

We have had the frig thermostat set on the highest setting since purchasing the boat.  It won't cool adequately at a lower setting.  I'm starting to wonder if it's a slow leak in the refrigerant lines somewhere since it's gotten progressively worse over time.

Duane


Re: Frigoboat two speed fan not working

Duane Siegfri
 

Mark,

Thanks for the reply but the seal is well adjusted.  I checked both with the dollar bill test and an infrared thermometer looking for cold spots.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat two speed fan not working

Duane Siegfri
 

I did do the dollar bill test and it seemed firm at all points.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I just use a 35 dollar capacitor tester about every 6 months on every capacitor on Kimberlite. I always find a few that are low or too low to be operational.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 10:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors

 

 

Sorry group to pile onto this topic however, this evening I found the forward stateroom filled with smoke.  After examination of the AC unit, one of the fan capacitors had a big hole in it.  I also located, what I believe are, the two start capacitors inside the control box.  Is it a safe assumption that all three AC units use the same 5 capacitors (3 fan and 2 start)?  My thought is to replace all the capacitors on all three AC units and put these on some kind of maintenance schedule.  Any feedback on whether this is a good idea?  If so, how often should they be switched out?

 

Any input is appreciated. 

 

Thank you.

SV Trillium

SM215

Brunswick, GA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat two speed fan not working

eric freedman
 

Hi ,

Did you do the dollar bill test on the refrigerator door seal?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat two speed fan not working

 

 

We've been having higher temps in the Frigoboat refrigerator recently, over 50 degrees F.  

We have already pulled the unit out and cleaned the heat exchanger, and; made sure that all air supply spots are clear; and are now rearranging things inside to ensure interior air flow.  At first that seemed to remedy the situation, but now we're back to higher temps (just a few weeks in between).

 

My infrared thermometer has 32 deg. F at the coldplate so that doesn't seem to be the issue.

 

I'm going to order a new thermostat and see if that helps, is there anything else I should check?

 

While checking on these things, I've found the two speed fan is only working on one speed.  I know it worked in the past.  Is there a fan capacitor that might be the issue?

 

Thanks!

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks James.  I have found that thinks coats don't cure well
Ben 

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 6:19 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,   We have had problems using accelerators in single part paints and varnishes since they tend to cause early crazing and failure of the finish.  As far as paint viscosity, in general I have found that we  always need to thin single part Marine enamels which includes the Interlux Brightsides.   I normally thin until the last of the flow off of a paint stick breaks into drops rather than being a continuous flow.     It is better to apply these types of coatings in thinner coats and apply more of them since thick coatings don't cure properly.  I have found that it usually takes 3 coats of the Brightsides to fully cover the substrate though this is when working on vertical surfaces such as hulls and coverage is likely to be better on horizontal surfaces.   I cannot comment on the deck stripping tool since I have never used it but I am sure that you will get the input that you need from the experts here.  Best of luck.

James
On Jul 13, 2017, at 6:31 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Ben,

 

I think you are onto something that will work.

 

What color are you using to paint the deck striping?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

  

Mark

Not sure about accelerator but maybe a possibility.  I am using tool improperly per your comments.  I'm holding it closer to vertical than horizontal.  This is causing paint to drip out.  I'll try technique you suggest.  Also per 
Dave I may leave can open a while covered with mesh to allow some evaporation which will thicken paint.

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 


Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

  

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In search of a Super Maramu

James Cromie
 

Bill - Thank you.  That is very kind of you!  I will certainly look at the schedule and touch base with you if that seems feasible. 
Thanks again.
James

On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:01 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


I don't know how much detailed familiarity you have with Amels, but we'll be cruising in New England on our SM in the coming weeks if you wanted to see one up close and personal.  

Ours is most emphatically NOT for sale, but we happily do tours :)

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Boston, Mass.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

James Alton
 

Ben,   We have had problems using accelerators in single part paints and varnishes since they tend to cause early crazing and failure of the finish.  As far as paint viscosity, in general I have found that we  always need to thin single part Marine enamels which includes the Interlux Brightsides.   I normally thin until the last of the flow off of a paint stick breaks into drops rather than being a continuous flow.     It is better to apply these types of coatings in thinner coats and apply more of them since thick coatings don't cure properly.  I have found that it usually takes 3 coats of the Brightsides to fully cover the substrate though this is when working on vertical surfaces such as hulls and coverage is likely to be better on horizontal surfaces.   I cannot comment on the deck stripping tool since I have never used it but I am sure that you will get the input that you need from the experts here.  Best of luck.

James
On Jul 13, 2017, at 6:31 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Ben,

 

I think you are onto something that will work.

 

What color are you using to paint the deck striping?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

  

Mark

Not sure about accelerator but maybe a possibility.  I am using tool improperly per your comments.  I'm holding it closer to vertical than horizontal.  This is causing paint to drip out.  I'll try technique you suggest.  Also per 
Dave I may leave can open a while covered with mesh to allow some evaporation which will thicken paint.

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 


Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

  

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Hi Bill K
Point taken.  I think accelerator would be last resort 
My last chemistry class was nearly 50 years ago as an undergrad and I was not a stellar student.  But my first and most fun job was bartender.  It was  chemistry of a sort😎.
Ben

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 6:01 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'd avoid the accelerator.  


Mixing chemistries in polyurethane paints is a bad idea.  Accelerators are used in two part polyurethanes, not single part products--which are very different animals.  The formulations for these paints are very fussy and mixing from one system or manufacturer to another has a very high chance of failure

Unless you really know coating chemistry, you risk creating a real mess that is hard to clean up.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Bill.  I think I'll forego the flattener as well

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 5:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

For what it is worth, I did not use flattener, and had to thin the paint slightly.

Bill Rouse
BeBe

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John 
I'm using exactly the paint and tool but with flattener.  My need to forgo the flattener.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

greatketch@...
 

I'd avoid the accelerator.  

Mixing chemistries in polyurethane paints is a bad idea.  Accelerators are used in two part polyurethanes, not single part products--which are very different animals.  The formulations for these paints are very fussy and mixing from one system or manufacturer to another has a very high chance of failure

Unless you really know coating chemistry, you risk creating a real mess that is hard to clean up.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Mark
I'm using white - specifically Hatteras off white 1990 from Interlux.  It's close to what Bill R used.
Ben 

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 5:31 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

 

I think you are onto something that will work.

 

What color are you using to paint the deck striping?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Mark

Not sure about accelerator but maybe a possibility.  I am using tool improperly per your comments.  I'm holding it closer to vertical than horizontal.  This is causing paint to drip out.  I'll try technique you suggest.  Also per 
Dave I may leave can open a while covered with mesh to allow some evaporation which will thicken paint.

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 


Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

For what it is worth, I did not use flattener, and had to thin the paint slightly.

Bill Rouse
BeBe

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John 
I'm using exactly the paint and tool but with flattener.  My need to forgo the flattener.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Mark Erdos
 

Ben,

 

I think you are onto something that will work.

 

What color are you using to paint the deck striping?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Mark

Not sure about accelerator but maybe a possibility.  I am using tool improperly per your comments.  I'm holding it closer to vertical than horizontal.  This is causing paint to drip out.  I'll try technique you suggest.  Also per 
Dave I may leave can open a while covered with mesh to allow some evaporation which will thicken paint.

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 


Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Mark
Not sure about accelerator but maybe a possibility.  I am using tool improperly per your comments.  I'm holding it closer to vertical than horizontal.  This is causing paint to drip out.  I'll try technique you suggest.  Also per 
Dave I may leave can open a while covered with mesh to allow some evaporation which will thicken paint.
Ben 

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

John 
I'm using exactly the paint and tool but with flattener.  My need to forgo the flattener.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:09 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Ben,

 

Do you think an accelerator would help? https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=98105&familyName=Quantum+99+Urethane+Accelerator

 

I am not sure you need to thicken the paint. It sounds like you need less of it on the application wheel. Are you using the tool so the barrel stays below the wheel? The tool should not be used upright. Ideally when using a pinstripe tool you want to illuminate as much gravity as you can. This will put less paint on the wheel. Also, if you put the non-paint end of the tool in the groove on the deck, it will help keep your line straight as you pull/push the tool to apply paint. Try this technique on a some paper first, it may be all you need.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

Hi Mark

I'm painting deck stripes using Beugler tool

Ben 

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, 3:41 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Ben

 

Are you painting the deck stripes or boot stripes?

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Thickening polyurethane paint

 

 

It's time to repaint my stripes. I'm using an available interlux poly-urethane paint. My problem is paint is too thin and dripping from roller on striper.  Can anyone recommend a thickening agent?  Current mixture is 50/50 Interlux Brightside single part enamel and Interlux flattening agent.  All suggestions welcome.

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita

SM2k #347

Le Marin