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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New owners of an old Maramu

John Clark
 

Sounds like a party-date!

On Apr 19, 2017 1:51 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Jacob, and congratulations on your new Maramu. We have our SM at the Island Water World marina, but are currently in the USA until the 23rd. On our return to St Maarten, we should be a round for a few days prior to heading for Bonaire, and would love to get together. 

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
St Maarten 

On Apr 18, 2017, at 20:15, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Lagoonies is great!

On Apr 18, 2017 8:14 PM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks, John!

That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at Lagoonies?

All the best!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical doubts on Santorin

danielmfrey63@...
 

Hello Attilio

You are in Didim?

That is just around the corner, where I am: Kuşadası Setur Marina.

Maybe we should meet one day?

My boat is Santorin no. 64 (1992).

Best - Daniel


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical doubts on Santorin

Craig Briggs
 

Ciao Attilio and Stefania,
Before you two run off for a secret talk in Italian :-) I am wondering about the two levers that connect the battery.  We have a single switch that I believe was original Amel. It has four posts (double pole) and switches both the + and - battery cables with a Single Throw (hence DPST). There is only one circuit that bypasses the switch and it goes to the + and - terminals marked "Permanent" behind the chart table, to power the VHF. (The SM is similar but slightly different.)
It sounds like a prior owner of SN#93 may have modified the wiring, perhaps changing to two switches, one for + and one for - but that is only a guess. However, if your bow thruster up-down, refrigerator and lights are still working after supposedly switching the battery off something is quite different than original.  You will simply have to trace the circuits to figure it out.
Cheers (and ciao), Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris.
PS. What is the name of SN#93?


---In amelyachtowners@..., <attilio.siviero@...> wrote :

Hi Stefania,

I also own a Santorin since 2009, #84-1993, now in Didim-Turkey.

Tuttavia posso se vuoi spiegarti telefonicamente la cosa delle batterie, anche in Italiano, se mi chiami allo 348 2330185 :-)

Sorry for the Italian digression

Attilio & Maria Siviero 
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"


Il giorno 19 apr 2017, alle ore 18:30, Stefania Dente ste.dente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

Hello everybody! I'm a ( quite) new owner of a Santorini. I follow the groups every day because I know I have a lot to learn about my boat...
May be someone can explain what happens to me: when I have the battery off ( I mean: the two levers that connect the battery are in off-position), something on board is still working : lights, fridge and bow thruster up-down . The furling motors and the windlass don't work. What can I do to understand why it happens?
Any suggestion would be very appreciated!

Stefania SN#93 Italy - Bocca di Magra



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical doubts on Santorin

Siviero Attilio <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi Stefania,

I also own a Santorin since 2009, #84-1993, now in Didim-Turkey.

Tuttavia posso se vuoi spiegarti telefonicamente la cosa delle batterie, anche in Italiano, se mi chiami allo 348 2330185 :-)

Sorry for the Italian digression

Attilio & Maria Siviero 
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"


Il giorno 19 apr 2017, alle ore 18:30, Stefania Dente ste.dente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

Hello everybody! I'm a ( quite) new owner of a Santorini. I follow the groups every day because I know I have a lot to learn about my boat...
May be someone can explain what happens to me: when I have the battery off ( I mean: the two levers that connect the battery are in off-position), something on board is still working : lights, fridge and bow thruster up-down . The furling motors and the windlass don't work. What can I do to understand why it happens?
Any suggestion would be very appreciated!

Stefania SN#93 Italy - Bocca di Magra



Electrical doubts on Santorin

ste.dente
 

Hello everybody! I'm a ( quite) new owner of a Santorini. I follow the groups every day because I know I have a lot to learn about my boat...
May be someone can explain what happens to me: when I have the battery off ( I mean: the two levers that connect the battery are in off-position), something on board is still working : lights, fridge and bow thruster up-down . The furling motors and the windlass don't work. What can I do to understand why it happens?
Any suggestion would be very appreciated!

Stefania SN#93 Italy - Bocca di Magra


Re: Dinghy choices?

greatketch@...
 

Hi Steve,

A dinghy is a REALLY personal choice, even though the actual differences between them are pretty minor.

When I went shopping for a new dinghy, I had a few requirements:  It had to work well with the two of us on board, be driven on plane with our 8HP 2-cycle engine, have reasonable performance, be rugged enough to run up on a beach without worry about the bottom, and (this was the tough one!) fit in the stern locker of our SM.  I wasn't going to have davits, and I really did not want to store my dinghy on deck--and I wanted a hard bottom.  Seemed an impossible set of criteria... I asked here on the forum and got the suggestion to look at folding RIBs.

We are delighted with our 10.5 foot folding rib.  We have had it for about a year, and it has served us well--so far. I am not usually a fan of West Marine branded products, but this one has met all of my requirements.  I know there are a few other manufacturers making similar designs, but they weren't available in the USA--where we were when we needed a dinghy.  https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--foldable-rib-310-pvc-rigid-inflatable-boat

Some minor downsides: we had to do some sewing work on the storage bag, some of the material used rotted very quickly in sunlight.  I added a kevlar scuff-plate to the fiberglass hull to toughen it for landings. It takes a bit of practice to get it unfolded correctly before inflating, but after doing it a few times it goes together licky-split.  And of course, we pay for the slick storage by needing to inflate the boat at each anchorage.  

It weighs about 120 lbs, pretty typical for a RIB of its size. With just me aboard, it does 15 knots, with the two of us it planes easily at 11 knots.  If we add a boat full of provisions, planing gets a bit difficult with 8HP. 

When folded, the dinghy fits in a bag that slides down into the stern locker, even with our engine in there. That is our preferred storage for offshore passages.  Neat and clean, just like Captain Amel would like!  For short coastal trips, we fold the dinghy and store it in its bag tied down on the aft cabintop.  

At anchor, if we have any concerns about security, we use a three point harness to hoist it to the gunwale with either the ballooner halyard, or the mizzen staysail halyard.  This is as easy a storage solution as davits--maybe even easier using the electric mainsheet winch and the mizzen staysail halyard.  When we added our arch, I didn't even consider adding davits.  I would never use them while sailing, and the cost/benefit for storage at anchor just did not compute compared to the simplicity of hoisting "on the hip."


Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Culebra, P.R.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <steve_morrison@...> wrote :

When we bought SM380 this fall, it was in need of a new dinghy, and as we prepare to move aboard in mid June, the time has come to make some decisions.  We are a family of four (girls 8&10) and plan to spend at least the next season in the Caribbean if not two seasons there before pushing through into the Pacific.  Riza promises that our aft arch will ship soon and so we will have aft davits onto which to pull up in the evenings at anchor.  I am looking at the AB Lamina series 10AL or 10UL.  


My question is this - what are some of you using?  How big, how small, and how heavy.  Also, where do you stow it underway, and how - in a cradle, upside down, deflated...?  What are some of your experiences and what do you think are the most important considerations.  


Thanks for your time,

Steve Morrison

SM 380 TouRai

Brunswick, Georgia

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New owners of an old Maramu

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Jacob, and congratulations on your new Maramu. We have our SM at the Island Water World marina, but are currently in the USA until the 23rd. On our return to St Maarten, we should be a round for a few days prior to heading for Bonaire, and would love to get together. 

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
St Maarten 

On Apr 18, 2017, at 20:15, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Lagoonies is great!

On Apr 18, 2017 8:14 PM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, John!

That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at Lagoonies?

All the best!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Fred,

I did look at the facilities in Mackay and they seemed OK to me. There seemed to be plenty of support subcontractors at the yard. I did not look at the facilities in Cairns.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:35 AM, scentstone@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thank you Bill for your support fast answer. 

My plan is the fastest transit to Darwin and Indian ocean, that's the reason why I would like to haul her out in Cairns. 
Did you check or evaluate the shipyards with on shore storage (Cairns or Mackay) ? or do you advise me against hauling out there ?

Thanks a lot and kind regards.

Fred

S/V Scentstone SM2K #375




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy choices?

Dan Carlson
 

Hi Steve,  we have a 3D UL310 dinghy with a 10hp Honda.  Dinghy is lightweight and stable. Handles 4 people and baggage. Engine is reliable but 4-cycle heavy.  It can plane with 2 but not with more.
Engine goes on external mount on starboard rail.  (Does not fit in the lazarette)  The dinghy goes on the forward or aft deck depending on where we want it. (Weight forward, but obstructed view. Or obstruction and weight on the aft cabin) We do not want it hanging on the arch as we already have enough weight back there.

We towed the dinghy some in the BVI, but in addition to the lanyard we attach a safety cable.  The VI is known for short distance and calm seas, but the ferry boats come fast and close. One almost flipped our dinghy when it zoomed by very close in a narrow channel.

Some nights we leave it attached behind the boat, other nights we hoist it alongside with the extra mizzen halyard.  We hoist when the wind is too light and we don't want it bumping in the night, or when the wind is strong and we dont want it tugging and chafing, or when we are concerned with security.  We like to  use the mizzen halyard with the electric winch vs the main halyard with manual winch on the mast.

Watch for chafe on the painter line at the bow of the dinghy. Particularly if you tow alot or leave it behind the boat at night .  We also briefly lost the dinghy towing it from one anchorage to another in the Saintes  (we only had the painter cleated at the stearn and it somehow came loose. Kind Danish folks caught it for us as we turned back to retrieve it.)

I hope that helps.

Dan and Lori Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM#387



On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:15 PM, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]
 

When we bought SM380 this fall, it was in need of a new dinghy, and as we prepare to move aboard in mid June, the time has come to make some decisions.  We are a family of four (girls 8&10) and plan to spend at least the next season in the Caribbean if not two seasons there before pushing through into the Pacific.  Riza promises that our aft arch will ship soon and so we will have aft davits onto which to pull up in the evenings at anchor.  I am looking at the AB Lamina series 10AL or 10UL.  


My question is this - what are some of you using?  How big, how small, and how heavy.  Also, where do you stow it underway, and how - in a cradle, upside down, deflated...?  What are some of your experiences and what do you think are the most important considerations.  


Thanks for your time,

Steve Morrison

SM 380 TouRai

Brunswick, Georgia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Fred

We live in Brisbane so I had hoped someone living further north from here may chime in first. My advice to anyone would be either Bundaberg or Scarborough in Brisbane. I certainly would never store Island Pearl II north of Bundy.

Bundaberg is handy being a port of entry and has great rates and facilities. The risk there is flooding however that risk is now very slight as during the biggest floods over the past 40+ years the marina hard stand has been dry as it is on higher ground.

Scarborough is excellent and perfectly safe. They have a smaller 40 ton travel lift which we have often seen lifting the SM53 and 54's but you will need to loosen your mizzen backstays. Also it is a smaller hard stand and make sure you insist on no tradesmen cars ever parking under your boat!

If you were to keep her in the water Mackay Harbour recently lifted the height of their Harbour wall and it certainly stood up to the test of a significant cyclone a couple weeks ago, however it is a little rolly in there, is in normal cyclone zone and I know some Mackay locals with expensive boats who keep them in Brisbane during summer and Mackay in winter for some good reasons no doubt.

The on water marina choices I personally use are firstly Newport Marina which is dead safe and cheap plus in 5km walking distance to a new rail station that gets you to the airport, city etc. In the past this marina had a shallow entrance channel however this was recently dredged to 2.2m and we have no issues anymore. This fact is not well known and not yet reflected in charts so you can often get a berth there at incredibly good rates.

Second option here would be Scarborough marina which is a little more expensive but has a larger cruiser community and all the folk I know there are pretty happy.

Good luck with it.

Colin Streeter 
SV Island Pearl II. Amel 53 #332
Newport Marina. Brisbane



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From: "scentstone@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 19/04/2017 6:35 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns

 

Thank you Bill for your support fast answer. 

My plan is the fastest transit to Darwin and Indian ocean, that's the reason why I would like to haul her out in Cairns. 
Did you check or evaluate the shipyards with on shore storage (Cairns or Mackay) ? or do you advise me against hauling out there ?

Thanks a lot and kind regards.

Fred

S/V Scentstone SM2K #375



Re: Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns

jjjk12s@...
 

Fred,

There 's not much choice in Cairns. The Yacht Squadron has a travel-lift and small hard stand storage area. That would be your best bet if you were set on Cairns. The travel-lift can cross the road and park your boat on the hard by the Big Boat Shed. Some boats have long term storage there. The other option is Norship. They also manage the Yacht Squadron travel-lift. Norship does bigger boats including navy vessels, fishing fleet and reef tour boats and is more expensive as it is geared for large commercial boats.

I live in Port Douglas which is about a hour north from Cairns where I have 3 commercial boats as well as my Maramu.

Regards

John, Maramu #91 Popeye



Re: Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns

scentstone
 

Thank you Bill for your support fast answer. 
My plan is the fastest transit to Darwin and Indian ocean, that's the reason why I would like to haul her out in Cairns. 
Did you check or evaluate the shipyards with on shore storage (Cairns or Mackay) ? or do you advise me against hauling out there ?

Thanks a lot and kind regards.

Fred

S/V Scentstone SM2K #375



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reefing procedure

Ian Park
 

David
John's suggestion about the water pump is worth noting. Mine was leaking, but I didn't notice until it really started leaking when I got the the Algarve. I had a new one fitted and the old guy who did it rebuilt the old one as a spare.

As for the grey water, yes everything gives down to the sump. The automatic pump does not extend as far down into the sump as the manual pump. So every few days pump the last dregs out by hand after the automatic pump has stopped. This gets rid of a lot of the worst stuff that sinks to the bottom. The build up of soap residue does create a nasty mess that sticks to the sides of the sump and the grey pipe that guides the float switch. I was told to put a dishwasher tablet in the sump once a week to help disperse this. I now put in some of the liquid you put in the dishwasher reservoir to stop the soap sheen on glass. I leave this in overnight so it doesn't get pumped out too soon.

Admiral Bill (ex Be Be) said something about clamping an old sock over the sink outlet pipe in the sump as a sieve, and replacing it as necessary. I will give that a go when I get back to the boat, because cleaning the bilge is only just a bit nicer than taking the toilet pipes apart!

Look after the bilge, because that is where the copper grounding strap goes down to attach to a keel bolt to connect the stub keel to the rudder zincs. They do rot through eventually, probably related to the composition of the mixture that goes through the bilge. There are posts on the forum related to replacing this. But you do have to empty the bilge totally to check the copper strap integrity. If you don't know when it was last checked or replaced, keep that one near the top of the to do list.

However, don't get too hung up over all these comments. Get out and sail the boat first. There are plenty rainy days to check all this stuff.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy choices?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Since "Ocean Craft" are not far from us here in Australia we followed svdelos.com lead and have the same robust "tinny duck" now mounted on a cradle on the front deck, but also a much smaller 2.7m Sirocco rib on the rear deck. We had  http://www.oceancraft.com.au make our one slightly shorter than SV Delos (3.0m instead of 3.3m) plus had them install a lockable seat/compartment up front for fuel tank, battery, & safe storage of gear when left locked up on a beach.

Not sure how we will go with it yet, as we are about to leave Brisbane and start cruising north into Asia. Possibly we may regret the weight, size and view obstruction and end up using mainly the smaller one, only time will tell. For this reason I would hate to recommend it to you yet, but if any of you had a bunch of crew or kids and wanted a fun craft to get anywhere quickly regardless of weight then I would go straight for this option based on price, safety, ride comfort and absolute durability. 

With this outfit on the cradle we have a pretty clear view forwards (under the dingy), place a bit more weight in front (the rear of our SM is already just over her waterlines), and can carry just under 1 ton of fuel, supplies and 10 !!! people if need be. It is also unsinkable and we also added a floor (another air tight compartment) plus their lights option, and it takes both our 30hp and 15 hp 2 strokes, both getting it onto an easy plane immediately. Weight approx 90kg. Price AUD $7950.00 (same as the top line Hypalon models here) and the manufacturer informs me (thanks to the Youtube success of svdelos.com) he is selling these as fast as he can make them and shipping them all over the world. Apparently he can deliver them most places around the globe for only about $500 US shipping.

If you want one of these I would recommend asking for the same one as on "Island Pearl II" as the 300mm shorter version makes it far easier to get around the front decks when at sea. Also the all round fender set option is essential and the front seat/storage option in our opinion is well worth the extra expense.

Colin Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane



On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:04 AM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Steve,
  Gosh there are a lot of new Amel owners right now!  I also just bought my SM 37 in December and am still learning...  I am in St. Maarten right now and also just bought a new dinghy.  My thoughts on dinghy:

Vent de Soleil (VDS) came with a small Zodiac with a soft inflatable floor.   I think it is a 6-7 ft.  She also came with two outboards,  a 4 hp Yamaha and a 2.5hp Suzuki.    All serviceable and OK when in calm water.  Slow but OK.  

After we started sailing and anchoring out, the shortcomings of the dinghy became apparent.  Soft bottom will not go up on a plane, so you are pushing a barge, and the low HP engines while reliable were just not able to push a loaded dinghy (three people or loaded with provisions) through swells without everything getting wet.  It would take about 40 minutes to get from Budget Marine to the outer anchorage at Simpson Bay. 

  I got a really, really good deal at Budget Marine in St. Maarten on a new AB Mares RIB with a center console and 20hp Tohatsu outboard.  She handles three people and provisions with authority and gets up on a plane with ease, cutting thru the waves rather than plowing.    I am very happy with the tender.  I opted for a center console tender because I liked it and planned to be island hopping in the Caribbean for a while where I could tow it instead of mounting on deck.  I have not seen any issues towing the tender, but have been doing very easy day or two day sails.   I am comfortable going in good weather from one island to the next towing, but would definitely want a more secure set up for bad weather or long distance.  I will probably sell the center console tender later as we make out way west and go for some sort of RIB that can be inverted on deck.  But for now we have a cool tender.

If you are on the Amel FB page you will see the conversation Bill Rouse and I are having about mounting the dinghy while making a passage.   The old dinghy was stored on the aft cabin roof, with the outboards on the rail.  The 20HP seems a tad big for the rail(and at the moment I am retaining both dinghies and all three motors) so I am working to place the 20hp in the lazarette and cradle the new RIB on cabin roof fwd of the main mast.  We are fabricating a very simple low profile cradle for the dinghy.  A bit of a hassle caused by the center console setup.

The davits that came with the boat seem flimsy to me and are attached tot he thin part of the transom, so i won't use them for anything heavy.  Even the previous owners did not use them.  They are shiny though.   :)

I too am waiting for an Emek arch...Riza told me it is supposed to be shipping in a week.  I opted to leave out the davit option because I am still unsure of what my long term dinghy selection will be.  Are you receiving your arch in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale?


Regards,   John

John Clark
Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay St. Maarten

On Apr 18, 2017 6:15 PM, "steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

When we bought SM380 this fall, it was in need of a new dinghy, and as we prepare to move aboard in mid June, the time has come to make some decisions.  We are a family of four (girls 8&10) and plan to spend at least the next season in the Caribbean if not two seasons there before pushing through into the Pacific.  Riza promises that our aft arch will ship soon and so we will have aft davits onto which to pull up in the evenings at anchor.  I am looking at the AB Lamina series 10AL or 10UL.  


My question is this - what are some of you using?  How big, how small, and how heavy.  Also, where do you stow it underway, and how - in a cradle, upside down, deflated...?  What are some of your experiences and what do you think are the most important considerations.  


Thanks for your time,

Steve Morrison

SM 380 TouRai

Brunswick, Georgia





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New owners of an old Maramu

John Clark
 

Lagoonies is great!

On Apr 18, 2017 8:14 PM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks, John!

That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at Lagoonies?

All the best!


Re: New owners of an old Maramu

Jacob Champness
 

Thanks, John!

That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at Lagoonies?

All the best!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Reefing procedure

John Clark
 

I second very strongly Bill's comment to WATCH what is happening.  the motorized sails and winches are great but can cause a tremendous amount of damage very quickly.  

Vent de Soleil  SM 37
Great Bay St. Maarten

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:15 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I'll add a couple of my own thoughts to Ian's excellent comments.  Some might be obvious, but it never hurts to be explicit...


Roll and unroll the sail while it is luffing.

Whenever possible (I really want to say "always") roll and unroll the sail while you are headed far enough up into the wind that the sail is not being dragged tightly across the edge of the gap in the mast.

On any in-mast furler, if the boom rises too high when unfurling, the top of the sail might not unroll properly.  If you don't have a vang, ease the sheet enough to let the sail luff, but not enough for the boom to rise too high. This is another reason for not unfurling too far off the wind.  On a close reach you can put the traveler under the boom and have some control of its height will still leaving it free to move side to side.

Always, always, always WATCH what's happening.  You do not get the tactile feedback you get with a manual system that lets you know when something has gone pear-shaped. If you keep pulling with the motors when something is wrong, something has to give, and it is usually the most expensive part!

Our usual sail setting goes like this... stop the engine, and while off the wind a bit, unfurl the jib.  Sheet in the jib, and sail as close to the wind as it easily allows-a comfortable close reach.  Then at that point of sail, set the boomed sails, then trim to desired course, and off you go.

When it is time to put the sails away, we furl the mizzen and main while on a close reach.  Once we are sailing under jib alone, we start the engine, and furl the jib.

Something to remember:  Unlike the jib, the main does not really care which way you roll it up.  Sometimes on a starboard tack, if you are a bit more off the wind than ideal, you can more easily furl the sail if you roll it "backwards" (i.e., rotating clockwise looking down the mast) avoiding a tight rub across the edge of the mast.  Just be sure you unroll it the right way the next time you use it!

Bill Kinney
SM160  Harmonie
Culebra, P.R.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy choices?

John Clark
 

Hi Steve,
  Gosh there are a lot of new Amel owners right now!  I also just bought my SM 37 in December and am still learning...  I am in St. Maarten right now and also just bought a new dinghy.  My thoughts on dinghy:

Vent de Soleil (VDS) came with a small Zodiac with a soft inflatable floor.   I think it is a 6-7 ft.  She also came with two outboards,  a 4 hp Yamaha and a 2.5hp Suzuki.    All serviceable and OK when in calm water.  Slow but OK.  

After we started sailing and anchoring out, the shortcomings of the dinghy became apparent.  Soft bottom will not go up on a plane, so you are pushing a barge, and the low HP engines while reliable were just not able to push a loaded dinghy (three people or loaded with provisions) through swells without everything getting wet.  It would take about 40 minutes to get from Budget Marine to the outer anchorage at Simpson Bay. 

  I got a really, really good deal at Budget Marine in St. Maarten on a new AB Mares RIB with a center console and 20hp Tohatsu outboard.  She handles three people and provisions with authority and gets up on a plane with ease, cutting thru the waves rather than plowing.    I am very happy with the tender.  I opted for a center console tender because I liked it and planned to be island hopping in the Caribbean for a while where I could tow it instead of mounting on deck.  I have not seen any issues towing the tender, but have been doing very easy day or two day sails.   I am comfortable going in good weather from one island to the next towing, but would definitely want a more secure set up for bad weather or long distance.  I will probably sell the center console tender later as we make out way west and go for some sort of RIB that can be inverted on deck.  But for now we have a cool tender.

If you are on the Amel FB page you will see the conversation Bill Rouse and I are having about mounting the dinghy while making a passage.   The old dinghy was stored on the aft cabin roof, with the outboards on the rail.  The 20HP seems a tad big for the rail(and at the moment I am retaining both dinghies and all three motors) so I am working to place the 20hp in the lazarette and cradle the new RIB on cabin roof fwd of the main mast.  We are fabricating a very simple low profile cradle for the dinghy.  A bit of a hassle caused by the center console setup.

The davits that came with the boat seem flimsy to me and are attached tot he thin part of the transom, so i won't use them for anything heavy.  Even the previous owners did not use them.  They are shiny though.   :)

I too am waiting for an Emek arch...Riza told me it is supposed to be shipping in a week.  I opted to leave out the davit option because I am still unsure of what my long term dinghy selection will be.  Are you receiving your arch in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale?


Regards,   John

John Clark
Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay St. Maarten

On Apr 18, 2017 6:15 PM, "steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

When we bought SM380 this fall, it was in need of a new dinghy, and as we prepare to move aboard in mid June, the time has come to make some decisions.  We are a family of four (girls 8&10) and plan to spend at least the next season in the Caribbean if not two seasons there before pushing through into the Pacific.  Riza promises that our aft arch will ship soon and so we will have aft davits onto which to pull up in the evenings at anchor.  I am looking at the AB Lamina series 10AL or 10UL.  


My question is this - what are some of you using?  How big, how small, and how heavy.  Also, where do you stow it underway, and how - in a cradle, upside down, deflated...?  What are some of your experiences and what do you think are the most important considerations.  


Thanks for your time,

Steve Morrison

SM 380 TouRai

Brunswick, Georgia



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy choices?

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Steve,

I bought the 9.5AL because it accepts a 15 HP Yamaha 2 Stroke and planes nicely 4 up.  It will also let you take the kids water skiing.

It fits nicely on the forward deck for long passages…. in spite of claims to the contrary, the solar gantry is not man enough to take the weight of the dinghy during heavy sea conditions.  (I have the dual cross braces installed and I consider these absolutely mandatory for safe dinghy carriage.)

I also installed heavy tie downs to attach the rib to the fore deck.

Kind regards,



Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera SM007


On 18 Apr 2017, at 18:15, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When we bought SM380 this fall, it was in need of a new dinghy, and as we prepare to move aboard in mid June, the time has come to make some decisions.  We are a family of four (girls 8&10) and plan to spend at least the next season in the Caribbean if not two seasons there before pushing through into the Pacific.  Riza promises that our aft arch will ship soon and so we will have aft davits onto which to pull up in the evenings at anchor.  I am looking at the AB Lamina series 10AL or 10UL.  


My question is this - what are some of you using?  How big, how small, and how heavy.  Also, where do you stow it underway, and how - in a cradle, upside down, deflated...?  What are some of your experiences and what do you think are the most important considerations.  


Thanks for your time,

Steve Morrison

SM 380 TouRai

Brunswick, Georgia





Re: Reefing procedure

greatketch@...
 

I'll add a couple of my own thoughts to Ian's excellent comments.  Some might be obvious, but it never hurts to be explicit...

Roll and unroll the sail while it is luffing.

Whenever possible (I really want to say "always") roll and unroll the sail while you are headed far enough up into the wind that the sail is not being dragged tightly across the edge of the gap in the mast.

On any in-mast furler, if the boom rises too high when unfurling, the top of the sail might not unroll properly.  If you don't have a vang, ease the sheet enough to let the sail luff, but not enough for the boom to rise too high. This is another reason for not unfurling too far off the wind.  On a close reach you can put the traveler under the boom and have some control of its height will still leaving it free to move side to side.

Always, always, always WATCH what's happening.  You do not get the tactile feedback you get with a manual system that lets you know when something has gone pear-shaped. If you keep pulling with the motors when something is wrong, something has to give, and it is usually the most expensive part!

Our usual sail setting goes like this... stop the engine, and while off the wind a bit, unfurl the jib.  Sheet in the jib, and sail as close to the wind as it easily allows-a comfortable close reach.  Then at that point of sail, set the boomed sails, then trim to desired course, and off you go.

When it is time to put the sails away, we furl the mizzen and main while on a close reach.  Once we are sailing under jib alone, we start the engine, and furl the jib.

Something to remember:  Unlike the jib, the main does not really care which way you roll it up.  Sometimes on a starboard tack, if you are a bit more off the wind than ideal, you can more easily furl the sail if you roll it "backwards" (i.e., rotating clockwise looking down the mast) avoiding a tight rub across the edge of the mast.  Just be sure you unroll it the right way the next time you use it!

Bill Kinney
SM160  Harmonie
Culebra, P.R.