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Re: SM 2000 Mizzen Spreader Deck Light

Karen Smith
 

We had to replace ours as well.  The housing cracked and there was no way to keep the bulb in place after the old one crashed and shattered on deck.  We had no luck at all finding USA distribution for that particular AquaSignal model light fixture.  We managed to source the LED version of the entire fixture on eBay through a supplier in Lithuania, of all places.  

I added some silicone to help secure the bulb in place.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
(Boat’s in Charleston, we are in Antigua wrapping up a delivery)


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks Bill, 

I'll take a look around Antigua and see if I can find a replacement. 

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 12:01 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan, that tank is mounted behind the generator and is the expansion tank for the water heater.

I bought that tank at an agriculture water pump shop in Australia. It was replaced in about 2008 and I am sure needs replacing. I bought one twice the size as the original. You should be able to find one anywhere that water-well pumps are sold.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Here is the photo of the tank. 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: Heater

rossirossix4
 

We have German Infranomic infrared mirrors in both of our heads (replacing the mirrors over the sink) and they are outstanding.  Instant heat, no moving parts, won't wear out, and large high quality mirror.  I am away from KAIMI but I think they were 700 watt.  When we wintered in Rome (non-metered electricity) we had them on full-time whenever we were in the boat.  https://www.infranomic.de/infrarot-heizung/frame-line/
Bob, KAIMI SM429


Re: Heater

Matt Salatino
 

True, and doable, but be careful. Reversing valves are very sensitive to the heat of soldering/brazing. If done by someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing, the reversing valve will be ruined.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino s/y Speed of Life, A50#27

On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Paul,
Can't give you specifics for a retrofit, but it just takes a reversing valve on your A/C to make heat (maybe some control stuff, too) - about a $150 option when first installed. Maybe reasonable as a retrofit.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Heater

Craig Briggs
 

Paul,
Can't give you specifics for a retrofit, but it just takes a reversing valve on your A/C to make heat (maybe some control stuff, too) - about a $150 option when first installed. Maybe reasonable as a retrofit.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Heater

michael winand
 

Hi Paul,  
We spent a few seasons in southern Tasmania. Around 43deg south. 
We have the amel installed diesel heater. 
Running the heater in the morning  for a few hours then again in the evening. Overnight temperature 2 to 6 C.
We managed in these conditions. 

The best thing we have Running is a large dehumidifier this makes the air much dryer and gives a warning effect. Otherwise you may have condensation on the inside surface areas. 
Enjoy your cruise 
Michael  Nebo  sm251 


On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 12:29 am, Paul Osterberg
<osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Hello!
We plan a trip to Nordkap the coming summer, so some sort of heater would be necessary.  To install a typ Webasto water born heater would be rather expensive and a not so straight forward installation, without compromising the water tight bulkheads. A too big job and investment for only one season. So looking to alternative solutions.
Have anyone replaced the old AC unit with a new one that also work as a heat pump and provide heat?
what was your experience, especially with the heating? Any brand to be recommended.
 Our AC units looks a bit corroded and guess approaching the end of it's life span, so even if the cost is about the same it might make more sense long term.
Any general view how long the original AC units lasts?
Any other suggestion on a source for heating?
Paul on SY Kerpa Amel SM#259


Re: Heater

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Paul

Maybe you think abaut a infrarothheater

der the carpets in the drawing room and in the cabins
24 V
or maybe in 230 v's, maybe in the area of a card table or a kitchen or a ceiling in the drawing room
The infrared zoning is more effective than air heating on air conditioning, and you need electricity for both

Greetings
Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Jeff,

I have a 54 with Webasto forced air heating system fitted by Amel in the factory from new.

The unit itself is located high up in the port cockpit locker with the exhaust straight out the port topside. The air intake is in the mizzen sheet/halyard cubby hole. The system works well, and I make a point to run it every now and then even in the summer.

Nick

S/Y Amelia AML 54-019 Leros Greece.

On 7 Jan 2021, at 16:17, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi Jeff I'm not on the boat until Saturday so the only question I can answer now is that it is an air unit.  I'll try and get you the other answers this weekend.
Cheers 


-----Original Message-----
From: JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 7:56 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Dear Amelians,
I'm gathering information before installing a hyronic diesel heating system aboard my 54. 
There are a couple questions regarding the installation on the 54s
If the install was a FACTORY (Amel) install:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Was it an Espar heater?
3. Is it an air unit? 
4. Did they mount the heater in the port locker or the ER?

If it was an installation that was done aboard but after purchase, and not by Amel:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Espar or Webasto unit?
3. Air or Hydronic?
4. Heater mounted in Port Locker or ER?
5. If it's an Espar, and it's a hydronic, are your heating elements fan units, or straight radiator elements inside the boat?

Any feedback is appreciated.
Courtney (s/v Trippen): I'll get the fuel bladder pictures up soon. Sorry for the delay.

Best Regards to All,
Jeff
s/v Spirit Amel 54 #14
Shinnecock, NY


Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi Jeff I'm not on the boat until Saturday so the only question I can answer now is that it is an air unit.  I'll try and get you the other answers this weekend.
Cheers 


-----Original Message-----
From: JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 7:56 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Dear Amelians,
I'm gathering information before installing a hyronic diesel heating system aboard my 54. 
There are a couple questions regarding the installation on the 54s
If the install was a FACTORY (Amel) install:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Was it an Espar heater?
3. Is it an air unit? 
4. Did they mount the heater in the port locker or the ER?

If it was an installation that was done aboard but after purchase, and not by Amel:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Espar or Webasto unit?
3. Air or Hydronic?
4. Heater mounted in Port Locker or ER?
5. If it's an Espar, and it's a hydronic, are your heating elements fan units, or straight radiator elements inside the boat?

Any feedback is appreciated.
Courtney (s/v Trippen): I'll get the fuel bladder pictures up soon. Sorry for the delay.

Best Regards to All,
Jeff
s/v Spirit Amel 54 #14
Shinnecock, NY


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

 

You have 2 accumulator tanks in the freshwater system. One at the freshwater pump, and one behind the generator.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:01 AM Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Dan, that tank is mounted behind the generator and is the expansion tank for the water heater.

I bought that tank at an agriculture water pump shop in Australia. It was replaced in about 2008 and I am sure needs replacing. I bought one twice the size as the original. You should be able to find one anywhere that water-well pumps are sold.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Here is the photo of the tank. 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

 

Dan, that tank is mounted behind the generator and is the expansion tank for the water heater.

I bought that tank at an agriculture water pump shop in Australia. It was replaced in about 2008 and I am sure needs replacing. I bought one twice the size as the original. You should be able to find one anywhere that water-well pumps are sold.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:38 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Here is the photo of the tank. 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

 

Dan,

It is probably the rubber bladder that separates the water from the air inside the accumulator. Since SM 387 was new the accumulator tank was replaced only one time about 7-8 years ago. I bought the tank from Amel. The Shurflo 3400-002 is a direct replacement for the upgraded pump #88B, but you have 66B. I would say it is time. I did not try replacing the bladder. I understand that this can be done. Possibly someone here can give you input on that.

You may have trouble locating the tank. TF Marine made pump HA-60, the photo below.  TF Marine pumps are readily available in Europe, and some from SAV@..., but hard to buy outside of Europe.
http://www.tfmarine.it/
info@...
TF Marine srl - 55049 - LUCCA - Italy
Tel.:+39-0584-33.82.38

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:30 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

Mark McGovern
 

Dan,

I had the same issue when I bought Cara.  It turned out to be a pinhole leak where the bracket was spot welded to the tank.  I had my fabricator fix the leak but another leak popped up right away so I just replaced the accumulator with a new one.  Shurflo part number 3400-002 is a direct replacement for the Amel OEM one.

Here's a link to a video of me finding the pinhole leak under water:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uyZZ-6Zzf3OoCSzp1y8rbg4EJWxaYO6v/view?usp=sharing


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: SM Fresh water pressure tank

Dan Carlson
 

Here is the photo of the tank. 


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:30 AM Dan Carlson via groups.io <carlsdan61=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


SM Fresh water pressure tank

Dan Carlson
 

Hello, my fresh water pressure accumulator tank is loosing pressure and then the pump has to cycle frequently when using water. 

I have added air to the tank a number of times now and it escapes over a few days. I also removed the air fill valve and inspected and put silicone on the rubber seal and valve.

Does anyone else have troubleshooting experience? Or replacement? 

I am currently in Antigua. 

Photo of tank attached. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Hello and all the best for 2021,
Our Amel 54 #162 was the showboat on the Paris 2010 and Düsseldorf boat show in 2011, so already with lot of extra things  - but no diesel heating -when we made the contract on the Boatshow in Paris.
So thanks to my wife it was fixed in the contract, that Amel will do the installation of the Webasto airheating system. They did it in perfect way and told us, that it is the extra with bigges work to add after the boat is already built.That time pricelist showed for Dieselheating 11.000 €+Vat when order comes with the boat.
We are very happy with the heating. Essential also in the Med-sea. We never used the AC for heating.
The only way for heating while sailing is a dieselheating.
My recommendation: If you are in La Rochelle and Amel could make the installation a Webasto air dieselheating would be my first choice. Modification with one extraoutlet near the helmstation with possibility to shut down.
If elsewhere I would install a hydronic dieselheater the way SV Delos did.Perhaps you can get some more informations. 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162







Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Jeff,

I would very much like to hear what you do in the end as I want to install heating in my 54.

I asked Amel and the answer was not satisfactory.

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730


On 7 Jan 2021, at 12:56, JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians,
I'm gathering information before installing a hyronic diesel heating system aboard my 54. 
There are a couple questions regarding the installation on the 54s
If the install was a FACTORY (Amel) install:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Was it an Espar heater?
3. Is it an air unit? 
4. Did they mount the heater in the port locker or the ER?

If it was an installation that was done aboard but after purchase, and not by Amel:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Espar or Webasto unit?
3. Air or Hydronic?
4. Heater mounted in Port Locker or ER?
5. If it's an Espar, and it's a hydronic, are your heating elements fan units, or straight radiator elements inside the boat?

Any feedback is appreciated.
Courtney (s/v Trippen): I'll get the fuel bladder pictures up soon. Sorry for the delay.

Best Regards to All,
Jeff
s/v Spirit Amel 54 #14
Shinnecock, NY


Heater

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!
We plan a trip to Nordkap the coming summer, so some sort of heater would be necessary.  To install a typ Webasto water born heater would be rather expensive and a not so straight forward installation, without compromising the water tight bulkheads. A too big job and investment for only one season. So looking to alternative solutions.
Have anyone replaced the old AC unit with a new one that also work as a heat pump and provide heat?
what was your experience, especially with the heating? Any brand to be recommended.
 Our AC units looks a bit corroded and guess approaching the end of it's life span, so even if the cost is about the same it might make more sense long term.
Any general view how long the original AC units lasts?
Any other suggestion on a source for heating?
Paul on SY Kerpa Amel SM#259


Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Dear Amelians,
I'm gathering information before installing a hyronic diesel heating system aboard my 54. 
There are a couple questions regarding the installation on the 54s
If the install was a FACTORY (Amel) install:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Was it an Espar heater?
3. Is it an air unit? 
4. Did they mount the heater in the port locker or the ER?

If it was an installation that was done aboard but after purchase, and not by Amel:
1. Where did they vent the exhaust?
2. Espar or Webasto unit?
3. Air or Hydronic?
4. Heater mounted in Port Locker or ER?
5. If it's an Espar, and it's a hydronic, are your heating elements fan units, or straight radiator elements inside the boat?

Any feedback is appreciated.
Courtney (s/v Trippen): I'll get the fuel bladder pictures up soon. Sorry for the delay.

Best Regards to All,
Jeff
s/v Spirit Amel 54 #14
Shinnecock, NY


Re: Heater installed by factory Amel 54

Craig Briggs
 

How do you spell "envious"?
--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL

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