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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 glass sight tube

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben & Everyone with a Dessalator water maker,

I'm not sure of this. Is the sight-glass cracked, or is the seal and joint leaking? Or, maybe the pressure valve is leaking. Have you looked at the backside of the system control panel? You can access it through the cockpit lazarette. Remove the piece of plywood on the forward bulkhead inside the lazarette. 

One issue is that the pressure valve has a tendency to corrode. If I remember correctly, the valve is made of two different metals! Check here for a corrosion-caused leak. If I remember correctly, the sight-glass is either mounted on top of this valve, or connected. If this is where your problem is, you may need to order a new pressure valve. It probably comes with the sight glass and might be what Dessalator quoted.

Everyone else reading this, be sure to coat this valve with CorrosionX at least every two years. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 13, 2017 09:10, "joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have an AC water maker - 160 Ltr unit. The sight tube which shows freshwater flow is leaking from bottom where plastic base connects. Has anyone else had this issue? I contacted Dessalator about replacement glass tube. Price is € 325.00.. ouch! Does anyone have another source for this part?

Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

Ian Park
 

James
Yes it is water based and rollers are easily cleaned on water. On the third day of applying in Trinidad a big black cloud appeared and unloaded on us. It washed the two coats we were applying to the final third of the boat. The other two thirds applied on the previous two days was untouched. We had enough to complete the job in the end!
I wasn't aware that Coppercoat eroded at all. To bring fresh copper to the surface you have to lightly sand the hull with an 800 grit paper. Check the barrier and eroding facts with Coppercoat - I'd be interested to know.
In the tropics we have a light coat of slime build up on the hull over a couple of months. I use a stainless wire wool to scrub it or a large scraper. I can do most of the hull with just a mask and snorkel. In home waters -Wales and Scotland - the build up was less (this with the old Coppercoat), but it hosed off quite easily with the boat dried out against a harbour wall.
It works for me, and the main thing I like is a very smooth hull, none of the peeled onion skin effect after a few years build up of eroding anti fouling. Oh, and I don't have the messy annual job of reapplying anti fouling.

Good luck

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Dessalator 160 glass sight tube

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I have an AC water maker - 160 Ltr unit. The sight tube which shows freshwater flow is leaking from bottom where plastic base connects. Has anyone else had this issue? I contacted Dessalator about replacement glass tube. Price is € 325.00.. ouch! Does anyone have another source for this part?

Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin


Dessalator glass sight tube

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I have an AC water maker - 160 Ltr unit. The sight tube which shows freshwater flow is leaking from bottom where plastic base connects. Has anyone else had this issue? I contacted Dessalator about replacement glass tube. Price is € 325.00.. ouch! Does anyone have another source for this part?

Ben
Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
St Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

You might want to look at this photo. 

The answer about coppercoat effectiveness depends on many factors. One factor is the location and environment. Another is the required maintenance of coppercoat. I know many people who would judge coppercoat as a failure because it requires cleaning and scraping. If you want antifouling to do its job without your help and your location is prone to fouling, you probably don't​ want coppercoat. 

The owner of the cat in the above comparison photo did not like his new coppercoat bottom. That is BeBe, SM387 in the photo comparison. Both boats had antifouling applied in about the same place and the same time and both had about the same sea miles. 

The people I know that like coppercoat would be satisfied with the performance in the photo and would have already scraped the hull once or twice. 

I believe the biggest variables in whether Coppercoat will perform well is you and your expectations. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




   

On May 13, 2017 07:55, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


   What is your opinion of the effectiveness of Copper Coat in Tropical waters?  

    My understanding is that the epoxy used in the Copper Coat system is water based (cleanup of tools etc, is simply done with plain water) and designed to slowly dissolve to expose more copper over time. So while the epoxy coating has some barrier coating qualities it is not really a barrier coat per se in case your boat needs this,  hence my reference to the possible need of an epoxy coating for a barrier coat rather than it being needed as a primer.  I agree with the need for the alcohol thinner,  especially with warm temperatures which make the pot life pretty short.

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 13, 2017, at 3:17 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul
Our boat had coppercoat of an unknown age, with some patches.
We had the the hull stripped back in Trinidad and reapplied Coppercoat ourselves. The yard tried to persuade us to apply two coats of epoxy to the hull first. Coppercoat told us to apply straight on to the clean hull since it is an epoxy coating in itself . We did this. 
If you do it yourself a team of 4-6 people could do the job in a day with one person continually supplying the mixed epoxy. Linda and I on our own took 3 days - but that was in the heat in Trinidad!
You do need to thin the Coppercoat with rubbing alcohol to roller it on. The total cost was around£1300.00, but we had imported the Coppercoat from UK and avoided VAT. Of course the smaller hull needed less. 
Did you have a breakdown of the costs?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks for all of the helpful tips and experiences.  

I will let you all know how it goes in about 5 months when we re-comission.

If anyone has additional checklists you can also email me at carlsdan61 at gmail dot com.

Thanks all, Dan Carlson 




On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:11 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Marina Seco in Mexico suggests plugging all holes in the hull with stainless steel wool. It let's any water drip out and keeps the bugs out.

Craig, SN68 Sangaris


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

James Alton
 

Ian,

   What is your opinion of the effectiveness of Copper Coat in Tropical waters?  

    My understanding is that the epoxy used in the Copper Coat system is water based (cleanup of tools etc, is simply done with plain water) and designed to slowly dissolve to expose more copper over time. So while the epoxy coating has some barrier coating qualities it is not really a barrier coat per se in case your boat needs this,  hence my reference to the possible need of an epoxy coating for a barrier coat rather than it being needed as a primer.  I agree with the need for the alcohol thinner,  especially with warm temperatures which make the pot life pretty short.

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 13, 2017, at 3:17 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Paul
Our boat had coppercoat of an unknown age, with some patches.
We had the the hull stripped back in Trinidad and reapplied Coppercoat ourselves. The yard tried to persuade us to apply two coats of epoxy to the hull first. Coppercoat told us to apply straight on to the clean hull since it is an epoxy coating in itself . We did this. 
If you do it yourself a team of 4-6 people could do the job in a day with one person continually supplying the mixed epoxy. Linda and I on our own took 3 days - but that was in the heat in Trinidad!
You do need to thin the Coppercoat with rubbing alcohol to roller it on. The total cost was around£1300.00, but we had imported the Coppercoat from UK and avoided VAT. Of course the smaller hull needed less. 
Did you have a breakdown of the costs?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Paul

We have used Coppercoat for the last 5 years. It works as advertised. We obtained our supplies from Jim Edwards in Florida (321-514-9197) who is the USA representative. It takes 14 units to do a SM. At Jim's latest cost per unit  $130  it would cost approx $1,820. We got it for $90 per unit as a boat show special. No sales tax charged as we were shipping it out of state (Florida). Shipping costs unknown. We had to re-apply this year as the boatyard that applied did not do a good job in New England. They said they had applied it before but upon seeing them apply it it was evident that they were newbies.

Jim recommended putting on a barrier coat first which we did as we had all the old under coat removed. We did this at a cost of $3,000 plus 3 gallons of undercoat costing $600.

We applied the second coating in St. Martin with a team of 6 over 2 days. NO cost except for lots of beer and lunches. Considering the haul-out cost plus the cost of the paints and supplies the cost of $12,000 sounds high unless they are stripping the boat down.

Cost of Coppercoat                                           $1,820

Epoxy paint                                                              600

Haul-out                                                                1,500

Misc supplies (Brushes, trays etc)                        200

Stripping old under coat off (not Required)    3,000

                                                                                7,120



Paul & Susan LaFrance

Former owners of SV NOMAD SM#362





From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat
 
 

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

It will take time for the TDS of the tank to decrease. Also dock water can also have high TDS. 

I will try to get you a photo of where to open the product water line to test TDS, but it is the blue plastic line with the Dessalator in-line test probe that has two wires attached. Follow it down toward the bulkhead where it is attached to a copper line which drains into the tank. 

Some owners have placed a three-way valve at this point which will allow for testing and/or dumping poor quality into the gray water tank. You will find that the product water is initially higher TDS, dropping to a good reading in a few minutes. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970






   

On May 13, 2017 06:41, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


Thanks for the reply.  

It makes sense that it's either a seal or a membrane.  The easiest thing would be to just replace all the O-rings and see if that takes care of the problem.  "Easy" is a relative term since it's a real bear to remount the unit, it would help if I had three arms!

Duane


Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

Thanks for the reply.  

It makes sense that it's either a seal or a membrane.  The easiest thing would be to just replace all the O-rings and see if that takes care of the problem.  "Easy" is a relative term since it's a real bear to remount the unit, it would help if I had three arms!

Duane


Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

Thanks for the reply.  I check the water at the kitchen sink faucet, since I don't have a sampling tap.

I tend to run the watermaker at the middle of the green zone on the guage, but the sightglass is pegged at the top of the glass.  I'll start running it below 60 and see if the water improves.

Yes, the O-Rings were replaced as well as the interconnector.

Is the blue hose you mentioned accessed through the portside lazarrete?

Thanks,
Duane


Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

Duane Siegfri
 

JP,

I use a "Total Dissolved Solids" meter from HM Digital.  I believe it uses electrical resistivity to give a TDS measurement.  I use the water drawn from the kitchen sink.

Duane


Re: Copper coat

Ian Park
 

Paul
Our boat had coppercoat of an unknown age, with some patches.
We had the the hull stripped back in Trinidad and reapplied Coppercoat ourselves. The yard tried to persuade us to apply two coats of epoxy to the hull first. Coppercoat told us to apply straight on to the clean hull since it is an epoxy coating in itself . We did this.
If you do it yourself a team of 4-6 people could do the job in a day with one person continually supplying the mixed epoxy. Linda and I on our own took 3 days - but that was in the heat in Trinidad!
You do need to thin the Coppercoat with rubbing alcohol to roller it on. The total cost was around£1300.00, but we had imported the Coppercoat from UK and avoided VAT. Of course the smaller hull needed less.
Did you have a breakdown of the costs?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint Question [2 Attachments]

rossirossix4
 

Hi Chuck,
International Trilux 33,   It works very well in both fresh-water and salt-water. Although it works well in fresh water it works very well in salt-water--many aluminum boats operating in salt-water only use it.  It has Biolux anti-slime additives.  It remains active even with long periods of haul-out  http://www.yachtpaint.com/LiteratureCentre/trilux-33-info-usa-eng.pdf
Bob, KAIMI SM 429


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Dean Gillies
 

Courtney,
Here are some other data points for you based on a UK registered Amel 54 sailing in the Med, valued at €550k.

Pantaenius: €3000
Y Yacht: €2400
DeNovo: €2700

As others have mentioned make sure you are satisfied with the particular coverage and exclusions attached to each policy offering.

Where is the boat located Courtney?

Cheers
Dean

Amel 54 #TBD



On 12 May 2017, at 11:33 pm, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill I appreciate the input have a great weekend
Courtney 



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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 5/12/17 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

Courtney,

I agree with Alen and I believe that Velos may be the best solution available today for Americans sailing across oceans. Write Velos at Insurance"at"velosgroup.co.uk and tell them that you have an Amel 54 which is one model newer than BeBe. They seem to love Amels.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550






On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,

Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate your insight.
Sincerely
Courtney




-----Original Message-----
From: Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 12, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 
Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hi all,
I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'






--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

karkauai
 

Hi Paul.
There are a couple of discussions on this forum in the last year or two that are probably worth searching for.
I have found Deltaville (VA) Boatyard dies very good work and knows Amel's.  They're a bit more expensive than some, but I was always happy with their work.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On May 12, 2017, at 5:36 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Craig Briggs
 

Marina Seco in Mexico suggests plugging all holes in the hull with stainless steel wool. It let's any water drip out and keeps the bugs out.
Craig, SN68 Sangaris


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

eric freedman
 

I believe Ian Jenkins on Pen Azen had his Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 done with coppercoat a few years ago. You might address the question to him in the subject line.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 6:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

 

 

Hi guys,  how many coats and what is copper content?    I have spent almost $1000 on a Catalina 27 for multiple coats and all work done by the yard in SC

 

On May 12, 2017 6:36 PM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Paul,

Please heed James remarks… without saying it, he is saying that a yard is taking advantage of you….  As I said in a private email to you.

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre


On 12 May 2017, at 19:07, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,


   We recently Copper Coated a Hardin 45 for a customer.  The material cost was about $1,700 + rollers, pans, gloves etc.  All of the work is in the preparation and depends on whether you are also applying a barrier coating etc..  In our case, my wife and I applied the 4 coats (the minimum) to one side of the boat one day and 4 coats on the other side the following day.  There is a learning curve to applying the product.  There is a bit of detail work getting under all of the blocking and stands depending again on how much prep work is required.  Once coated, the product is subject to damage from moisture, even from just dew for 2 days so you need to provide a drip line at the waterline and also carefully select the weather.    As to the effectiveness of the product, I do not have any personal experience yet.  I can tell you that the Micron paints can be applied over the Copper Coat and the adhesion is reported to be good.  A number of the people that applied the Copper Coat here locally in Florida did end up painting over the Copper Coat since they did have growth problems.  My impression is that the Copper Coat will require regular cleaning in the Tropics, though unlike paint it does not scrub off.  I am considering Copper Coating my own boat and then applying 2 coats of Micron at each haul out  so if at any point I am unable to haul and the Micron is no longer effective or has been scrubbed off, I will still have some protection.  The Copper Coat might be more effective in the Chesapeake.  Perhaps consider contacting Copper Coat and asking to see some of the other boats in your area with Copper Coat on them that have been in the water for a while.  Best of luck and if you go ahead with this, please post the results.


Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 12, 2017, at 6:36 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

James Alton
 

Paul,

   We recently Copper Coated a Hardin 45 for a customer.  The material cost was about $1,700 + rollers, pans, gloves etc.  All of the work is in the preparation and depends on whether you are also applying a barrier coating etc..  In our case, my wife and I applied the 4 coats (the minimum) to one side of the boat one day and 4 coats on the other side the following day.  There is a learning curve to applying the product.  There is a bit of detail work getting under all of the blocking and stands depending again on how much prep work is required.  Once coated, the product is subject to damage from moisture, even from just dew for 2 days so you need to provide a drip line at the waterline and also carefully select the weather.    As to the effectiveness of the product, I do not have any personal experience yet.  I can tell you that the Micron paints can be applied over the Copper Coat and the adhesion is reported to be good.  A number of the people that applied the Copper Coat here locally in Florida did end up painting over the Copper Coat since they did have growth problems.  My impression is that the Copper Coat will require regular cleaning in the Tropics, though unlike paint it does not scrub off.  I am considering Copper Coating my own boat and then applying 2 coats of Micron at each haul out  so if at any point I am unable to haul and the Micron is no longer effective or has been scrubbed off, I will still have some protection.  The Copper Coat might be more effective in the Chesapeake.  Perhaps consider contacting Copper Coat and asking to see some of the other boats in your area with Copper Coat on them that have been in the water for a while.  Best of luck and if you go ahead with this, please post the results.


Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 12, 2017, at 6:36 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259