Date   

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Steve,

We are here to share our experiences.

2 years ago in Fort Lauderdale I wanted to use Nance and Underwood as recommended on the forum.
I wanted the forestay greased (part of 5 or 6 years maintenance) and add a track for the staysail.
Since Nance and Underwood had never done that job, and did not think it was necessary I showed the greasing procedure written on the forum.
The manager “Houston” was very rude and impolite.

Meanwhile I met a couple owning another SM2K who ask for the same work (greasing the forestay).
We had dinner on their boat, and they shows me their quote which they just received.
The next day I receive mine which was 50% more.

As much as I wanted the work done, I couldn’t convince myself to hire them.
I still don’t understand Mr Houston’s attitude.

During my 6 months stay, I ask other businesses (Mac Donald hardware supply, Boat Owner Warehouse, etc.) for recommendations.
People keep mentioning their name (just because they heard of them, did not actually use them), Then when I told my story, how rude Mr Houston was, all replied the same thing: they are known as “jerks” (some use word starting with an A and 2 S followed by hole) “because they know they are the only guys in town and can charge what they want”.

So if even go back there I would likely use the person that Mark just recommended.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Sat, 11/26/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 8:21 PM


 









Steve,
 We replace our standing rigging about
a year ago and used Nance and Underwood in Ft. Lauderdale.
They were recommended to us by Joel Potter. We were very
pleased with the work they did. Here is a link to their web
site: www.riggingandsails.com
 The person in charge of the crew that
Nance and Underwood sent knew Amel rigging very well. He was
Jason Pinko. Jason has since started his own company. We
used him recently to fine tune our rig (the rig he
installed). His prices are reasonable and he has rigged many
Amels and understands the nuances of the boat. I highly
recommend him. Here is his web page and contact info:
 www.argonautrigging.com
 Argonaut RiggingJason PinkoOrmond Beach, Florida
32176Phone  954-599-3425Pinkorigging@gmail.com
 Jason lives in the Daytona area but
does work all over Florida.
 Hope this helps.
   
       With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – Still
here  From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 7:00
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo
Rig questions    Thanks to all who responded
to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would
now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is
presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit
and have heard from several folks in the area that they
could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a
few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back
up quick".    Assuming I can get new
ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is
there any reason to even consider having them made locally?
 Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new
rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale
area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the
area, are there riggers I should know about that might be
more familiar with the Amel?
 Thanks,Steve MorrisonSM2K #380
TouraiFt. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Eric.  Had not considered the  outhaul shaft before.  Good advise.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

I installed small nylon bolts on each gearbox and the Main furler and outhaul .

On the gearboxes I drilled and tapped them on either sided.

One high and one low. I pump grease into the gearbox on the low side and when it comes out clean I stop.

I use the grease gun adapter for the Autoprop to insert the grease.

I chose the small nylon bolts over the grease nipples as I could see the grease flowing out of the gearbox , and in addition I do not have any corrosion problems.

 

With the genoa the holes are on the same side (port)  and if you look at a drawing of the gearbox you will see

Where to put the holes. I do this twice yearly.

 

In addition I remove the outhaul shaft and coat it with high temperature waterproof Neva-Seize grease.

I do this twice yearly.

The outhaul shaft is especially important as if it gets stuck it is a royal pain to get out.

I also sanded down the outhaul key on the shaft a few thousands of an inch.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben,

soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.

If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben:  

 

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

 

Wish you all the best Ben. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Danny excellent 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben, copied below is my post from June 8 2011, conversation 8796. If you go to photos in the Amel yahoo site and enter nipple as a search you will find photos showing positioning and a shot of the tools used.
Cheers
Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

Hi all,
Here is the process for installing grease nipples. I have posted photos under the name above.

Tools required: Electric drill, grease nipple, threading tap (plug type) the correct size for the nipples thread. drill bit the correct size for the threading tap. I bought all together, then I was sure they were all the right size. Two wine bottle corks, some grease.

You will see that the nipples are in the cover over where the worm drive spline that drives the gear rotates.
This ensures that nice fresh grease is right where the main action is.

Process.. First remove wine corks from bottles and drink the wine, red or white is OK. (Joke)

There is a photo of my electric drill with a drill bit in it.
You will see that I have put wine corks on it. That is so when you drill in place you do not push through and damage the internal gears. Leave only enough drill showing to go just through the casing.
Start very short, then If it is too short, take a little cork off and try again.

I did the outhaul box while it was dismantled so put the nipple centre where the casing is at its least thickness. The main furler was done in place so you will see the nipple is off set. This is because the case is shaped around the worm drive and is thicker to one side. This ensured (being ultra careful) that there was enough wall thickness for the threading plug to do its job. I placed the headsail furtler nipple centre as I was confident of sufficient wall thickness.

Drill very carefully, you do not want to push drill filings into the gear box. Put grease liberally on the drill so that the filings will stick to that. Like wise when you are using the threading tap put liberal grease on it to hold the filings.

Once you have drilled the hole use the tap to thread it. The thread on the grease nipple is tapered so do not thread too far in.. Stop too soon rather than go too far, you can always do a bit more if you need to. Screw in the nipple. Using a grease gun pump in the grease.

Do not pump too much grease in or you will push the seals out. As to whether the old grease will come out. In my case I had had the gearboxes apart and cleaned out so with fresh grease in there it was OK. I just add a little every month.

You could if you wanted too drill another hole opposite and above where you put the nipple, thread it and put a plug in. Just remove that when you are regreasing and the old grease will push out. But not if it has gone hard. I wouldn't worry about it, so long as we have fresh grease on the spline and gear.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui


From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Thanks for all the Info Danny.  I will add those grease fittings and would appreciate the where and how at your convenience..  It situ if possible with complete dismantle and cleaning later.  My noise seems to be coming from inside the mast - maybe the rotating foil?  Do you know if this should be lubricated periodically and how?


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:55 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Danny
Can you pls send me some pics about the greasing nippels.
my e-mail: hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail.ch
Thank you very much.
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.11.2016 um 08:59 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Hi Ben,
soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.
< span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480146105107_4987">If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Hi Ben:  

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft.. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silve r
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

amelforme
 

The best guys in Fort Lauderdale, who have done all my Amel re-rigging work for several decades, are Nance  and Underwood. They are familiar with all Amel idiosyncrasies and have familiarity with all aspects of the rig and have done at least thirty or forty Amel boats. They have also done complete rebuilds of both masts and all furlers including rewiring and LED nab lights and complete refinishing/painting using chromate and alodine to obtain a better and longer lasting finish than the original coatings.
You can also get STA-LOC mechanical end fittings which are better than swages in every way except being slightly more expensive. Call Roger Underwood 954-764-6001. They also have an in-house solution to a better replacement for the unique turnbuckle on the head stay. 
These guys are good people and very competent.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:59 PM, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks to all who responded to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit and have heard from several folks in the area that they could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back up quick".  


Assuming I can get new ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is there any reason to even consider having them made locally?  Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the area, are there riggers I should know about that might be more familiar with the Amel?


Thanks,

Steve Morrison

SM2K #380 Tourai

Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

Mark Erdos
 

Steve,

 

We replace our standing rigging about a year ago and used Nance and Underwood in Ft. Lauderdale. They were recommended to us by Joel Potter. We were very pleased with the work they did. Here is a link to their web site: www.riggingandsails.com

 

The person in charge of the crew that Nance and Underwood sent knew Amel rigging very well. He was Jason Pinko. Jason has since started his own company. We used him recently to fine tune our rig (the rig he installed). His prices are reasonable and he has rigged many Amels and understands the nuances of the boat. I highly recommend him. Here is his web page and contact info:

 

www.argonautrigging.com

 

Argonaut Rigging

Jason Pinko

Ormond Beach, Florida 32176

Phone  954-599-3425

Pinkorigging@...

 

Jason lives in the Daytona area but does work all over Florida.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – Still here

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

 

 

Thanks to all who responded to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit and have heard from several folks in the area that they could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back up quick".  

 

Assuming I can get new ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is there any reason to even consider having them made locally?  Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the area, are there riggers I should know about that might be more familiar with the Amel?

 

Thanks,

Steve Morrison

SM2K #380 Tourai

Ft. Lauderdale


New Acmo Rig questions

steve_morrison@...
 

Thanks to all who responded to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit and have heard from several folks in the area that they could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back up quick".  


Assuming I can get new ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is there any reason to even consider having them made locally?  Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the area, are there riggers I should know about that might be more familiar with the Amel?


Thanks,

Steve Morrison

SM2K #380 Tourai

Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ben, copied below is my post from June 8 2011, conversation 8796. If you go to photos in the Amel yahoo site and enter nipple as a search you will find photos showing positioning and a shot of the tools used.
Cheers
Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

Hi all,
Here is the process for installing grease nipples. I have posted photos under the name above.

Tools required: Electric drill, grease nipple, threading tap (plug type) the correct size for the nipples thread. drill bit the correct size for the threading tap. I bought all together, then I was sure they were all the right size. Two wine bottle corks, some grease.

You will see that the nipples are in the cover over where the worm drive spline that drives the gear rotates.
This ensures that nice fresh grease is right where the main action is.

Process.. First remove wine corks from bottles and drink the wine, red or white is OK. (Joke)

There is a photo of my electric drill with a drill bit in it.
You will see that I have put wine corks on it. That is so when you drill in place you do not push through and damage the internal gears. Leave only enough drill showing to go just through the casing.
Start very short, then If it is too short, take a little cork off and try again.

I did the outhaul box while it was dismantled so put the nipple centre where the casing is at its least thickness. The main furler was done in place so you will see the nipple is off set. This is because the case is shaped around the worm drive and is thicker to one side. This ensured (being ultra careful) that there was enough wall thickness for the threading plug to do its job. I placed the headsail furtler nipple centre as I was confident of sufficient wall thickness.

Drill very carefully, you do not want to push drill filings into the gear box. Put grease liberally on the drill so that the filings will stick to that. Like wise when you are using the threading tap put liberal grease on it to hold the filings.

Once you have drilled the hole use the tap to thread it. The thread on the grease nipple is tapered so do not thread too far in.. Stop too soon rather than go too far, you can always do a bit more if you need to. Screw in the nipple. Using a grease gun pump in the grease.

Do not pump too much grease in or you will push the seals out. As to whether the old grease will come out. In my case I had had the gearboxes apart and cleaned out so with fresh grease in there it was OK. I just add a little every month.

You could if you wanted too drill another hole opposite and above where you put the nipple, thread it and put a plug in. Just remove that when you are regreasing and the old grease will push out. But not if it has gone hard. I wouldn't worry about it, so long as we have fresh grease on the spline and gear.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui


From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Thanks for all the Info Danny.  I will add those grease fittings and would appreciate the where and how at your convenience..  It situ if possible with complete dismantle and cleaning later.  My noise seems to be coming from inside the mast - maybe the rotating foil?  Do you know if this should be lubricated periodically and how?


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:55 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Danny
Can you pls send me some pics about the greasing nippels.
my e-mail: hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail.ch
Thank you very much.
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.11.2016 um 08:59 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Hi Ben,
soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.
< span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480146105107_4987">If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Hi Ben:  

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft.. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silve r
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico





Main, Genoa furlet Grease

eric freedman
 

Hi Ben,

I installed small nylon bolts on each gearbox and the Main furler and outhaul .

On the gearboxes I drilled and tapped them on either sided.

One high and one low. I pump grease into the gearbox on the low side and when it comes out clean I stop.

I use the grease gun adapter for the Autoprop to insert the grease.

I chose the small nylon bolts over the grease nipples as I could see the grease flowing out of the gearbox , and in addition I do not have any corrosion problems.

 

With the genoa the holes are on the same side (port)  and if you look at a drawing of the gearbox you will see

Where to put the holes. I do this twice yearly.

 

In addition I remove the outhaul shaft and coat it with high temperature waterproof Neva-Seize grease.

I do this twice yearly.

The outhaul shaft is especially important as if it gets stuck it is a royal pain to get out.

I also sanded down the outhaul key on the shaft a few thousands of an inch.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben,

soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.

If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben:  

 

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

 

Wish you all the best Ben. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

You might try having a new bearing made at Metal Craft Engineering in Annapolis. They have made 2 for my Santorin for under $700. Discuss problem with them. Small shop, extremely talented.
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:30 AM, David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Yes, we checked the new bushing, and it seemed to be a little out of round ~1/10,000".  I am given to understand that this can happen in the 'normal' course of events.  We tried to adjust the ID a little by sanding by hand, but after quite some time it is still too tight a fit for comfort.  So now with a time-efffective (I hope) alternative to hand, I plan to re-use the old one I know does the job (refurbished with speedi-sleeves), expecting that this this will do the job as a temporary interim measure until I get to AMEL Martinique, and have them look at the whole thing.  Once I get some more OEM parts direct from AMEL, then I'll have known examples against which to compare, so we can see what's what with the new ill-fitting wear-bearing, as to why it didn't fit out of the box.  Hopefully we will be able to use this some other time.

Looking forward to being back on the water.  Hope you get to splash soon too.

Blue skies,

David
PERIGEE, SM#396, O.T.H. Annapolis


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

SV Perigee
 

Hi Bill,

Yes, we checked the new bushing, and it seemed to be a little out of round ~1/10,000".  I am given to understand that this can happen in the 'normal' course of events.  We tried to adjust the ID a little by sanding by hand, but after quite some time it is still too tight a fit for comfort.  So now with a time-efffective (I hope) alternative to hand, I plan to re-use the old one I know does the job (refurbished with speedi-sleeves), expecting that this this will do the job as a temporary interim measure until I get to AMEL Martinique, and have them look at the whole thing.  Once I get some more OEM parts direct from AMEL, then I'll have known examples against which to compare, so we can see what's what with the new ill-fitting wear-bearing, as to why it didn't fit out of the box.  Hopefully we will be able to use this some other time.

Looking forward to being back on the water.  Hope you get to splash soon too.

Blue skies,

David
PERIGEE, SM#396, O.T.H. Annapolis


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Fuel Tank

amelforme
 

Hi Bob. It is considered bad form to kill the messenger bringing bad news. The tank in your boat cannot be removed without cutting it in pieces. It is made from 5086 H111 aluminum alloy. Two tanks will need to be fabricated to fit in the same space. I have confirmed this with Olivier. Sorry to have this news to give you. If you send me your email address, I can send you some free advice that will be worth much more than it costs.

 

Before  you Amel folks with an Amel 54 panic, there are extenuating circumstances which most probably led to the failure of the tank on this particular boat.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 5:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking Fuel Tank

 

 

Yesterday I left the boat for several hours for a Thanksgiving day with family. On returning to the boat I found my nearly full tank of diesel all in the engine room/bilge. Fortunately, the original bilge pump broke a few days ago, Maud has parts on order, and I have not yet installed a back up, so an environmental disaster was averted. I had manually pumped out the bilge/grey water just before leaving the boat, so it was almost all clean diesel. I pumped it through the Racor filters back into the tank. When the level was down so I could see what was going on, there was a steady stream of diesel entering the engine room at the floor level in the far forward starboard corner. That is where all the large battery cables run starboard towards the battery box. This morning all the diesel is back in the engine room. Fortunately there is no diesel odor in the main cabin, attesting to the integrity of the watertight compartments in the Amel.
Some assumptions I am making that I would appreciate confirming, or correcting.
I assume the tank has only the openings on the top, and one outlet at the bottom that goes to the Racor filters. If this is true, I must have a leak in the tank, or possibly a leak in the outlet pipe at the bottom, that is presenting itself just forward.
If I have a leak in the tank it must come out to be repaired. Is it possible to remove the tank in one piece out  through the engine room hatch? Has anyone ever done that that can offer advise such as what to remove, how the tank is secured in the boat, etc?
Any advise is very much appreciated,
Bob
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31
currently in St. Thomas, USVI

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks for all the Info Danny.  I will add those grease fittings and would appreciate the where and how at your convenience.  It situ if possible with complete dismantle and cleaning later.  My noise seems to be coming from inside the mast - maybe the rotating foil?  Do you know if this should be lubricated periodically and how?


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:55 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny
Can you pls send me some pics about the greasing nippels.
my e-mail: hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail.ch
Thank you very much.
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.11.2016 um 08:59 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Ben,
soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.
< span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480146105107_4987">If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Hi Ben:  

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silve r
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Danny
Can you pls send me some pics about the greasing nippels.
my e-mail: hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail.ch
Thank you very much.
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.11.2016 um 08:59 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Ben,
soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.
< span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480146105107_4987">If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Hi Ben:  

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silve r
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ben,
soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.
If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: amelliahona
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Hi Ben:  

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

David,

Do you have a micrometer you can put on the new part to check it’s ID vs the shaft OD?  Is one of them possibly out of round?

I just measured an older, used, wearing out bearing, and a brand new one just delivered from AMEL. Both have an ID of 40.00 +/- .01 mm

From one on-the-hard sailor to another, may we both splash soon!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
On the Hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."




Re: Wearing out bearing

SV Perigee
 

Hi Eric,

Thanks for your reply.  Yes, we tried to slide the new wearing-out bearing on without the O-Ring initially, to test the fit.  But the new brass bearing would not slide onto the prop shaft at all, so it was not the O-ring.  The new O-Ring was exactly the same dimensions as the one that was on there previously with the old wearing-out bearing, and the fit within the internal groove looked the same when comparing the two parts before starting the installation work.

As the old internal O-Ring is in apparently perfect condition (cannot detect any wear), and the O-Ring is a friction fit between two non-moving parts, I intend to re-use the old O-Ring with the old wearing-out bearing fitted with the speedi-sleeves and new lip-seals.  In doing the job this time, I will be using the instructions posted on the forum, as updated by Bill Rouse 22-Apr'16 (thank you to you both), ensuring that this time the correct (silicone) grease is used, and the seals inserted the correct way around.

Any other hints'n'tips for this work gratefully accepted.  (I thought that this would be the simple job, and the bow-thruster more difficult.  But with all the time and effort now gone into the prop seals, I am leaving the bow-thruster until we get to Martinique.  It is working fine, and with no water leakage whatsoever, so will leave it well alone until we have a less time-constrained - and warmer - environment to work in.)

Best to all,

David, SV Perigee, SM#396
  still on the hard, Annapolis



---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

David,

The first sleeve went on without any trouble.

With respect to the nearing not fitting, did you see if the O ring inside the bearing is too big.? They do vary in size.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wearing out bearing

eric freedman
 

David,

The first sleeve went on without any trouble.

With respect to the nearing not fitting, did you see if the O ring inside the bearing is too big.? They do vary in size.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 2:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wearing out bearing

 

 

Greets all,

 

I am about to go the speedi-sleeve route using the old 'wearing-out bearing' as a temporary fix until I get to Martinique next month.  Reason: the new wearing-out bearing will not fit smoothly on the prop shaft, even after quite some work with emery paper to increase the internal diameter; the new wearing-out bearing seems to be manufactured slightly differently to the bronze fitting that was on there before, so not sure what is going on there.

 

I sourced from Applied Industrial Technologies, Baltimore, along with buying out their limited stock of lip-seals; Tom is your guy, via +1 (410) 437-8400.

 

Thanks Eric for the heads-up on the difficult fitting the second sleeve.  Were you able to get the first one fully butted up to the wider part of the bronze wearing-out bearing?

 

Regards,

 

David

 

PS - have ordered original replacement parts from AMEL FR, but was not confident that they'd arrive in time.  Hence the alternative approach.

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Gary

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 25, 2016, at 11:16 AM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben:  


When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water manifold leaking

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Bill.  This is perfect!

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:02 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:59 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill 

Can you post your manifold dimensions? Do you have a picture of it?  Mine may be same size as we are same vintage or close. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347



Assistance requested: ANNAPOLIS AREA (servicing prop shaft wear bearing & seals)

SV Perigee
 

Hi all,

Is there anyone nearby to ANNAPOLIS willing and available to help me with refitting the lip-seals and wearing-out bearing for the prop shaft.

Things have gone far less smoothly than expected and, as the new lip-seals were inserted back-to-front, the job has to be started again from scratch.  Just having someone on-hand who has successfully done it before and is willing to impart a few tricks'n'tips, would be a great and welcome re-assurance.

Thanks if you can help.

David
  SV PERIGEE, SM#396, in the hard
    Jabin's Yacht Yard, Annapolis