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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Problematic Mainsail Furling in mid 80s Maramu/Sharki models

James Alton
 

Dave,

   I was hoping that you could elaborate on the support issue for the Nirvana masts that you mentioned?  Are there any Nirvana specific problems to watch out for that you are aware of or did your comment on pertain to acquiring replacement parts?  I am planning to add the ability to refill all of the gearboxes with grease and want to go through the system.  I am wondering what service might be needed at the top of the system and whether the bearing is open or closed?  I am also curious about the coating that you mentioned to reduce the furling loads.  That sounds like a great idea so long as it does not tend to hold dirt etc.

   Good post.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Apr 4, 2017, at 3:50 PM, dave_benjamin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


John,
I'm a sailmaker who has owned a Maramu (non-furling masts) and have built sails for several different Amels including the Maramu, Santorin, and Super Maramu. 

The Amel furling is quite rugged and reliable but the older ones like on the 80's vintage Maramu may require a bit more effort to support as it was made by a company called Nirvana that has been out of business a long time. 

You mention "behind the mast furling", which is not something you'd see on an Amel unless it was retrofitted. Behind the mast furling as opposed to having the furling mandrel contained in a foil section is a lousy idea. The problem with behind mast furling is you have nothing to limit sag and they perform poorly compared to a conventional furling mast.&n bsp;

For me personally, I prefer the older conventional rig as I find the small main and mizzen on a Maramu very easy to manage. I use retractable lazy jacks and don't mind going to the mast to hoist, reef, and douse the sails. And there's certainly less to go wrong. 

One thing we do when we build new furling mains and mizzens is use a coating on the sail to reduce friction and you can tell listening to the motor that it's not working as hard as it used to with the previous sail.

---In amelyachtowners@...,

Dear Amel Collective,


Firstly I have been lurking ion the background soaking up as much information as I can from the group as it is my intention to buy a Sharki or Maramu within the next couple of months.


Some of the boats I am looking at have the older mainsail furling set behind the mast whereas others have the in mast furling as seen often on more modern boats. In my quest for knowledge I seem to recall a comment by another group member that the earlier mainsail furling was troublesome compared with the in-mast version, and I guess Amel changed it for good reason. I now can't track down this comment and hence this post!


Whilst I would probably prefer the Sharki, would it be better to get an in-mast furled Maramu instead of an older furling system Sharki or are both systems actually perfectly sound?


I very much look forward to your expertise and comments.


John




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Locking the wheel on a SM...

greatketch@...
 

Thanks Bill,


Certainly great solution that I’ll be using at anchor, for locking down, not so much for sailing where fine tuning of the rudder position is needed.


On my old boat I sailed half way across the Pacific with the wheel brake on, steering by tweaking the mizzen sheet once a watch or so.  One of the ways I came to love ketches.  The SM balances so well, I know she can do at least as well.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Ponce, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reeling damage on AMEL54

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Pictures tell more than 1000 words. If you look at them, what would be your recommendation to get the other half of a screw out?
Is there a nut on the other side? How to get there?
thanks, Alex
Amel54, no15, "NOSTRESS"Inline image

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On Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 8:04 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Alex,
I don't understand what you are trying to describe here. Perhaps you can revisit your email, and write it in a better and more descriptively understandable way.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 02:10 PM, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

in the rear of the boat, both reeling on my AMEL54 lost a couple of screws, or even worse - broke - and half of it still is in the hole. As a result I get water into the upper compartments of the owner cabin. To repair it, we need to know how it looks on the other side. Is there a mounting plate installed or something else /if so what exactly? How do we get to the counter nut? There seems no obvious way to get to that place. Do we have to cut into the fiberglass to get to a point that allows to work on it?
A very similar problem occurs at the starboard side with the metal plate the holds the down sail pole. Same question: How is it mounted? How do we get to it to work on it from the other side?
I’m in St. Martin and there are some god resources here to work on boats. However, as I plan to sail down to Martinique anyway, it would be good to know a company that knows AMEL hulls and can help with these kind of issues.
Thanks a lot, Alex
AMEL54 no 15, SY NO STRESS


Re: Problematic Mainsail Furling in mid 80s Maramu/Sharki models

Dave_Benjamin
 

John,
I'm a sailmaker who has owned a Maramu (non-furling masts) and have built sails for several different Amels including the Maramu, Santorin, and Super Maramu. 

The Amel furling is quite rugged and reliable but the older ones like on the 80's vintage Maramu may require a bit more effort to support as it was made by a company called Nirvana that has been out of business a long time. 

You mention "behind the mast furling", which is not something you'd see on an Amel unless it was retrofitted. Behind the mast furling as opposed to having the furling mandrel contained in a foil section is a lousy idea. The problem with behind mast furling is you have nothing to limit sag and they perform poorly compared to a conventional furling mast. 

For me personally, I prefer the older conventional rig as I find the small main and mizzen on a Maramu very easy to manage. I use retractable lazy jacks and don't mind going to the mast to hoist, reef, and douse the sails. And there's certainly less to go wrong. 

One thing we do when we build new furling mains and mizzens is use a coating on the sail to reduce friction and you can tell listening to the motor that it's not working as hard as it used to with the previous sail.

---In amelyachtowners@..., <jdbedforduk@...> wrote :

Dear Amel Collective,


Firstly I have been lurking ion the background soaking up as much information as I can from the group as it is my intention to buy a Sharki or Maramu within the next couple of months.


Some of the boats I am looking at have the older mainsail furling set behind the mast whereas others have the in mast furling as seen often on more modern boats. In my quest for knowledge I seem to recall a comment by another group member that the earlier mainsail furling was troublesome compared with the in-mast version, and I guess Amel changed it for good reason. I now can't track down this comment and hence this post!


Whilst I would probably prefer the Sharki, would it be better to get an in-mast furled Maramu instead of an older furling system Sharki or are both systems actually perfectly sound?


I very much look forward to your expertise and comments.


John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Locking the wheel on a SM...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

Try what is shown in the attached photo which uses a bungee cord with hooks on each end...whip the leather.

Best,

Bill
X-BeBe

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Is there a way to lock the wheel in place on an SM?  Tightly.  I don't like the rudder waving back and forth at anchor, and sometimes the boat sails better upwind with the helm lashed than it does with the autopilot.


I have been lashing it to a padeye, but that always leaves a few degrees of play (too much to sail with) and the lashing chafes the leather wheel cover.  (I know, I know, first world problems!)


Just curious if anybody has a better solution.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Ponce, PR



Re: Problematic Mainsail Furling in mid 80s Maramu/Sharki models

greatketch@...
 

Hi John,

That "behind the mainmast" furler is an after market addition.  They are very touchy beasts!  One of the things you need on a furling system is good high tension on the rotating member.  If it is attached behind the mast, by the time you get it tensioned tight enough to furl well, you have started to bow the mast which causes all sorts of other problems.

My advice would be to lose that furler and go back to the traditional track.  Add lazy jacks and an integral cover, and you won't miss the furling mainsail--much!

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Ponce, PR





---In amelyachtowners@..., <jdbedforduk@...> wrote :

Dear Amel Collective,


Firstly I have been lurking ion the background soaking up as much information as I can from the group as it is my intention to buy a Sharki or Maramu within the next couple of months.


Some of the boats I am looking at have the older mainsail furling set behind the mast whereas others have the in mast furling as seen often on more modern boats. In my quest for knowledge I seem to recall a comment by another group member that the earlier mainsail furling was troublesome compared with the in-mast version, and I guess Amel changed it for good reason. I now can't track down this comment and hence this post!


Whilst I would probably prefer the Sharki, would it be better to get an in-mast furled Maramu instead of an older furling system Sharki or are both systems actually perfectly sound?


I very much look forward to your expertise and comments.


John


Locking the wheel on a SM...

greatketch@...
 

Is there a way to lock the wheel in place on an SM?  Tightly.  I don't like the rudder waving back and forth at anchor, and sometimes the boat sails better upwind with the helm lashed than it does with the autopilot.


I have been lashing it to a padeye, but that always leaves a few degrees of play (too much to sail with) and the lashing chafes the leather wheel cover.  (I know, I know, first world problems!)


Just curious if anybody has a better solution.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Ponce, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean surveyors

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I actually flew: Martial BARRIEL
expert.maritime.barriel@wanadoo.fr
from another island to do my survey.
Recommend him.
Therefore the best in my opinion is Olivier.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA



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On Tue, 4/4/17, Alan Grayson bazgrayson@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean surveyors
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 11:48 AM


 












Hi All, I'm flying down to the BVI next week to look at
a super Maramu and hopefully the next step will be a pre
purchase survey. I remember some posts about surveyors when
I first hooked up to the site about 6 months ago but I
can't seem to find them again.
Does anyone know of good Amel qualified surveyors in the
Caribbean or one who will go to the Caribbean. I'm not
sure where the survey will be done but the owner seems keen
to deliver it.

Regards

Alan Grayson

Hopefully a future Amel owner












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Marion-Bermuda race

Jose Venegas
 

To register Ipanema to the Marion-Bermuda race, I need to enter if our boat has had previous ORC, ORR, IMS or AMERICAP certificate.  I know several SM2K have participated on transatlantic and caribean races, Any one of you know those numbers?


I am also asked to provided the Mizzen Staysail Dimensions  Foot, Depth and Mid-guirth dimensions.


Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Jose


Ipanema SM2K 278 

At Constitution Marina in Boston

Soon to come out of hibernation



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean surveyors

Mohammad Shirloo
 

I would also highly recommend Olivier. A true professional that knows AMELs inside out.
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Caribbean surveyors

Courtney Gorman
 

Paul Anstey is very knowledgeable about Amels I believe he has done over 400 amel surveys and has worked closely with Joel Potter he is in Fla near Lauderdale so is a bit closer 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "luvkante@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 4/4/17 1:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Caribbean surveyors

 

There is THE SUPERIOR surveyour: OLIVIER BEAUTE,


But he lives in La Rochelle........

Worth EVERY penny.

Martin

AMEL 54 CHIARA
Nr. 149


Re: Caribbean surveyors

luvkante
 

There is THE SUPERIOR surveyour: OLIVIER BEAUTE,

But he lives in La Rochelle........

Worth EVERY penny.

Martin

AMEL 54 CHIARA
Nr. 149


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean surveyors

david bruce
 

Hi Alan,
  I think Olivier Beaute at Atlanticyachtsurveyors is the go to guy, I know he was in the Carib recently.  I couldn t align schedules w him for the recent survey on my Santorin so don t have personal experience.   Good luck.  

David Bruce   SN 006.  s/v Liesse


On Apr 4, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Alan Grayson bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All, I'm flying down to the BVI next week to look at a super Maramu and hopefully the next step will be a pre purchase survey. I remember some posts about surveyors when I first hooked up to the site about 6 months ago but I can't seem to find them again. Does anyone know of good Amel qualified surveyors in the Caribbean or one who will go to the Caribbean. I'm not sure where the survey will be done but the owner seems keen to deliver it.
Regards
Alan Grayson
Hopefully a future Amel owner


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caribbean surveyors

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Hi Alan,
I used a local BVI surveyor - West Indies Surveyor.     DO NOT USE HIM or any local man.  Best to fly in some one from another location. 

Ben Driver
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Apr 4, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Alan Grayson bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All, I'm flying down to the BVI next week to look at a super Maramu and hopefully the next step will be a pre purchase survey. I remember some posts about surveyors when I first hooked up to the site about 6 months ago but I can't seem to find them again. Does anyone know of good Amel qualified surveyors in the Caribbean or one who will go to the Caribbean. I'm not sure where the survey will be done but the owner seems keen to deliver it.
Regards
Alan Grayson
Hopefully a future Amel owner


Caribbean surveyors

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, I'm flying down to the BVI next week to look at a super Maramu and hopefully the next step will be a pre purchase survey. I remember some posts about surveyors when I first hooked up to the site about 6 months ago but I can't seem to find them again. Does anyone know of good Amel qualified surveyors in the Caribbean or one who will go to the Caribbean. I'm not sure where the survey will be done but the owner seems keen to deliver it.
Regards
Alan Grayson
Hopefully a future Amel owner


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sea water chest [1 Attachment]

greatketch@...
 

On my old boat I had an elbow in a head tank discharge line that would very occasionally get clogged.  The magic trick for it was a plumber's snake.  Cheap and easy from your local home center.  

Sound like just the trick for your problem too!

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Ponce, PR



---In amelyachtowners@..., <riffhynes@...> wrote :

Bill, thank you very much for all your help but the early Amels were early in the evolutionary path. Hull #29 has a 90 degree elbow on the bottom of the sea chest that attaches to a 75mm hose that is "U" shaped and is about 90cm in length. This hose terminates at a ball valve that is mounted on a fiberglass elbow that exits the hull. No way to force any brush down this tortuous path. We first removed all the hoses from the sea chest with the exception of the engine supply as this was only a few cm's from the bulkhead and had no play in it. The sea chest was then unbolted from the bulkhead and moved forward to pull out of the engine supply hose. The sea chest could then be raised and removed from the large supply hose. The large hose was then removed from the sea cock. This hose was completely blocked by spaghetti-like marine growth. These were easily removed and the sea chest cleaned. The only area still to be cleaned is the fiberglasses elbow on the hull. As I said earlier, a diver cleaned about 20cm into the opening but didn't clean out the elbow. We will dive on it today and remove this growth. 

Thanks again for your time and expertise. Unfortunately, we were so involved we didn't take any photos.  We used a GoPro before starting tat really was helpful in planning the operation. 

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reeling damage on AMEL54

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: Reeling damage on AMEL54

Ian Park
 

Alex
If you're going to Martinique ask Amel in Marin. They will know or find your answer.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN 96


Re: Low water pressure after tank cleaning

Duane Siegfri
 

Eric, 

Thanks for your reply, I was thinking of the same sort of blockage since it was affecting all the taps.

It turned out to be just the filter screen on the taps blocked with debris from the tank.  I'm relieved that's all it was and surprised I didn't think of that before I sent the question to the group!

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Problematic Mainsail Furling in mid 80s Maramu/Sharki models

Warren Traill
 

Hi John. We have a 1980 Sharki. Hull #15. The main sail is raised using the original stainless steel halyard and winch on the main mast. It has no furling system and uses the slide method as described by James.

It is as per original.

Regards,

Warren

Manon2

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 6:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Problematic Mainsail Furling in mid 80s Maramu/Sharki models

 

 

John,

 

   Having sailed mostly on boats without furling of any kind due in part to my perceived  unreliability of many of the non Amel furling systems I was actually looking originally for a pre 1985 Maramu with the original rig with slides.  There isn’t much to go wrong.  Not as much to maintain and you can end up with better sail shape due to battens and a positive roach.   I ended up with a latter 1987 Maramu with the in mast furling however and it did not take me long to realize the advantages of the Amel furling system.  The Amel furling system on Sueno seems to be very robust and adjusting the sail area from the cockpit when the spray is flying without anyone having to go one deck is a really nice feature.  Perhaps others can confirm this but I do not believe that Amel built a furling system for the main and mizzen that sits outside of the spar for the Maramu as you describe so I suspect what you have described is an after market product.  The transition was from the traditional track and slides to the in mast furling from what I have learned thus far.  Personally, if I had bought an older Maramu, I would have stayed with the original Amel track and slides which I am sure work fine.  

 

   Best of luck with your search.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

 

On Apr 3, 2017, at 1:35 PM, jdbedforduk@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Dear Amel Collective,

 

Firstly I have been lurking ion the background soaking up as much information as I can from the group as it is my intention to buy a Sharki or Maramu within the next couple of months.

 

Some of the boats I am looking at have the older mainsail furling set behind the mast whereas others have the in mast furling as seen often on more modern boats. In my quest for knowledge I seem to recall a comment by another group member that the earlier mainsail furling was troublesome compared with the in-mast version, and I guess Amel changed it for good reason. I now can't track down this comment and hence this post!

 

Whilst I would probably prefer the Sharki, would it be better to get an in-mast furled Maramu instead of an older furling system Sharki or are both systems actually perfectly sound?

 

I very much look forward to your expertise and comments.

 

John