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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Kent.

In your opinion, what could be the cause of that Capacitor blowing up?
Age? Or something else?

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/19/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 19, 2016, 1:15 PM


 









That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the
numbers to order one online if you can't find one in San
Juan.Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@yahoo.com828-234-6819
voice/text
On Sep 19,
2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon,



First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the
illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to
Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the
sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access
the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.




So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse
or capacitor?) burnt…



As you know, electricity is my weakness point…

could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?


And where to find one?



http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg



Here are 10 pictures.

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html



Also, “why” would it blow?

Normal wear?

Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the
cause).



Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?



As always thanks in advance!



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

karkauai
 

That's a capacitor, Alex.  Use the numbers to order one online if you can't find one in San Juan.
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon,

First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.

So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse or capacitor?) burnt…

As you know, electricity is my weakness point…
could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?
And where to find one?

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg

Here are 10 pictures.
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html

Also, “why” would it blow?
Normal wear?
Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the cause).

Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?

As always thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

amelforme
 

Hi Ian and Judy. What you mention is great advice to pass along about the ‘new noises’. Wire rigging stretches about 5-8% after you use it ‘hard’ after its first installation. It, essentially, ‘unwinds’. New rigging should be re-snugged up when it shows signs of looseness after it is first installed. As it gets older and is ‘work cycled’ it starts to weaken and actually will stretch a little WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING. As the rig then gets very slightly loose, it allows things, the mast step included, to move around. The masts are great big aluminum tuning forks and they amplify these new noises significantly. If any Amel starts to make creaky noises, find out why immediately. It is usually the mast step or rigging related. Your Amel should sound like a cathedral at midnight when dealing with waves and heeling which is to say as quiet as a church mouse. And the best move you made was to go to folks with proven experience re-rigging an Amel. I have never, not once, seen a rigging firm re-rig an Amel, the first time they try it, correctly. Substituting ‘inch’ for metric wire is the major sin as inch equivalents are mainly smaller, as well as reusing clevis pins and turnbuckles which is penny wise and pound foolish. The turnbuckle beneath the jib furler is a unique to Amel fitting which many places botch when trying to find a compromise. You will sleep like a baby, a chubby well fed one, with the efforts you have made to “get it right”.

 

Have fun with your Amel!

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

 

 


We had decided to return to Hyeres because we wanted to be absolutely certain that the riggers knew what they were doing. The exercise has been an absolute delight.
Amel use XVoiles, riggers and sailmakers, established since 1978. Philippe and Didier are the current patrons , very much hands on. Their crew includes Olivier who worked for Gatef for 15 years till joining XVoiles 14 years ago, Marc ( who shins up each mast pretty well unaided ) and Christophe.

  They used a crane to take the masts off the boat for a thorough inspection. Made the rigging themselves using ACMO turnbuckles and German wire ( one German company has such a reputation that it has pretty well established a monopoly as a supplier --ACMO use the same company ) they dress the masts, restep them, reconnect all the electrics and then go sailing with you-- in our case a 5 hour spin in winds up to 25 k.  After that, one lower aft on the main mast needed a tweak.

Eric on Kimberlite has recently commented on the silence below while under sail.
I had noticed that Pen Azen had developed a few squeaks, which I put down to old age. However, with the new rig complete silence has returned, so I think it was a slightly slack rig that had caused the noises.
If you develope some squeaks down below, check your rig tension. What Joel and Olivier and others have said about the huge tension of an Amel rig is so true. The XVoiles guys just tightened and tightened, two guys on the fore and back stays.
Impressive. We have a new boat!

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres

[Amel Yacht Owners] Explosion & burnt smell on Eumenia dishwasher - FOUND SOMETHING

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

First of all thanks to Bill (SM2K #387 BeBe) for the illustration on removing the stove and also big thanks to Mark (SM #275 Creampuff) and his details explanation for the sequence on removing the cabinet facade in order to access the dishwasher cover. I will post an illustration later on.

So, I open the dish washer and found “something” (fuse or capacitor?) burnt…

As you know, electricity is my weakness point…
could someone please let me know what is that burnt part?
And where to find one?

http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_8.jpg
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher/eumenia_dishwasher_7.jpg

Here are 10 pictures.
http://nikimat.com/eumenia_dishwasher.html

Also, “why” would it blow?
Normal wear?
Something to create the explosion? (if so then I need the cause).

Anything else I should be looking at while I am there?

As always thanks in advance!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
R: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

Giovanni TESTA
 


Hi Ian,

...many thanks well to know, I will do it, more I'll return from where we started, ;-))

Buon Vento...now no problem.

Giovanni


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----Messaggio originale----
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Ogg: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

Hi Givanni,
                     Not got the final bill yet, but the quote was for about Euros12,000
Ian

From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 19 September 2016 14:47:11
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM
 

Hi Jan.

as I'm planning to re rig next year at Hyeres returning from around the world, may you please up date me about the work and its cost ?

All the best

Givanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM 428_2004

La Reunion



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Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Givanni,
                     Not got the final bill yet, but the quote was for about Euros12,000
Ian

From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 19 September 2016 14:47:11
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM
 

Hi Jan.

as I'm planning to re rig next year at Hyeres returning from around the world, may you please up date me about the work and its cost ?

All the best

Givanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM 428_2004

La Reunion



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres
Re rigging an SM -- the new rig

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 


We had decided to return to Hyeres because we wanted to be absolutely certain that the riggers knew what they were doing. The exercise has been an absolute delight.
Amel use XVoiles, riggers and sailmakers, established since 1978. Philippe and Didier are the current patrons , very much hands on. Their crew includes Olivier who worked for Gatef for 15 years till joining XVoiles 14 years ago, Marc ( who shins up each mast pretty well unaided ) and Christophe.

  They used a crane to take the masts off the boat for a thorough inspection. Made the rigging themselves using ACMO turnbuckles and German wire ( one German company has such a reputation that it has pretty well established a monopoly as a supplier --ACMO use the same company ) they dress the masts, restep them, reconnect all the electrics and then go sailing with you-- in our case a 5 hour spin in winds up to 25 k.  After that, one lower aft on the main mast needed a tweak.

Eric on Kimberlite has recently commented on the silence below while under sail.
I had noticed that Pen Azen had developed a few squeaks, which I put down to old age. However, with the new rig complete silence has returned, so I think it was a slightly slack rig that had caused the noises.
If you develope some squeaks down below, check your rig tension. What Joel and Olivier and others have said about the huge tension of an Amel rig is so true. The XVoiles guys just tightened and tightened, two guys on the fore and back stays.
Impressive. We have a new boat!

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres

R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi Jan.

as I'm planning to re rig next year at Hyeres returning from around the world, may you please up date me about the work and its cost ?

All the best

Givanni TESTA

sv EUTIKIA SM 428_2004

La Reunion



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM



----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 19-set-2016 15.42
A: "amelyachtowners@..."
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 

I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

  
Tony , 
Not until the spring . Lots of work to do here ! 
Ian


On 19 Sep 2016, at 15:48, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good to hear you made it safely to Hyeres Ian. Are you planning to return to Cleopatra sometime ?

Best, Tony Robinson (Catriona R)


From: "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:42 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 
I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
 

Good to hear you made it safely to Hyeres Ian. Are you planning to return to Cleopatra sometime ?

Best, Tony Robinson (Catriona R)


From: "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:42 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re rigging for an SM

 
I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres
Re rigging for an SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

I recently asked Olivier Beaute at what point one should re rig an SM. 30,000 miles was his reply. Mmm... we had just done 60,000 over 16 years, including three years in Chile and some blowy stuff there and back ( 60 knots just north of the Falklands ) . Although I check the rig religiously each season, don't follow our example, listen to Olivier.
We decided to return from Greece to Hyeres, 824 miles non stop. We sailed cautiously in fairly clement conditions until we left the straits of Bonifacio when we were presented with force 7 all night , up to 37 knots for a couple of hours. From the east, so on the beam. Ordinarily a well reefed Pen Azen would have loved the conditions but I had visions of losing the rig on the very last lap, so we reefed to almost nothing and used the Volvo to nudge us along.

I have to say that on arrival in Hyeres the rig still looked brand new. When it was taken down, I'm sure I heard it say " What's all this about ? I'm good for another 60, not sure about you !"

Well, old friend, you deserve your trip to the Great Rigger in the Sky. Like all things Amel you have never let us down. We salute you.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Hyeres
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Zinc-anodes and Autoprop

magenofer@...
 

Hi to all.

I have a plastic cap on my Amel 54 and no problems.
Regards,

Ofer Magen
Amel 54 #160
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled explosion and smell after using the Eumenia dishwasher

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark & Bill,

Mark, even thought the breaker is switch of, I unplug the from under the sink to be on the safe side.

I was researching and read on Bill on BeBe that he did the replacement.
http://svbebe.blogspot.com/2014/03/when-we-clean-our-stove-we-really-clean.html

Thanks for the details instruction how to remove as well as Christian’s name.

Was my thinking as well, if I can repair it by simply putting a new heating element will do it, if now will install a top load freezer/fridge.


Bill (SM#160 Harmonie), I would love to see your pictures!
You should be able to see my email: uster@rocketmail.com
or uster at rocketmail dot com

Thanks again for your help!




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 9/18/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled explosion and smell after using the Eumenia dishwasher
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 18, 2016, 5:37 PM


 









Alexandre,
 It is probably a good idea to unplug
the unit from the outlet under the sink J
 We had an issue similar to yours. The
heating element in the unit burned out or shorted. The unit
otherwise ran. However, I could smell the electrical burning
smell under the sink. We shut the unit down until returning
to the USA and had time to look into it further. I removed
the front panel of the dishwasher and could quickly see the
heating element had shorted. The green wire to the heat
element was burned due to the short (the breaker never
popped). I have ordered a replacement heat element but have
not installed it yet. Has anyone else done this? How does
the heating element come out? It appears to be well sealed.
Any help or guidance on this would be greatly
appreciated.
 To access the dishwasher innards you
need to remove the stove, the bar in front of the stove and
cabinetry from below the sink area. Look for the screws to
take the entire cabinet facade off with the doors still
attached (it lifts up - very easy to do as you have come to
expect from Amel). Remove the wood panel below the
dishwasher (4 screws) and remove the metal panel from the
front of the dishwasher. This access will allow you to see
the entire electronics of the dishwasher. This sounds like a
lot of work but it only took me an hour to get to the unit
the first time (probably half that when I get in there
again). This is a good time to clean behind the stove and
inspect the propane supply hose.
 After an extensive internet search,
here is the only place I found that has very limited parts:
 http://212.108.44.36/mdscrm/Default.aspx?tabID=55&;mdsUCID=4&crs=1&artikelID=AA01019
 Christian Schabauer  is the guy with
the parts and is located in Austria. He only speaks German.
I successfully used Google translate. He will ship
world-wide and requires upfront payment with PayPal. His
email is: office@schabauergmbh.at
 Based on other postings and my own
search, I found that the units are no longer made and
unfortunately there is not a drop in replacement. Parts are
very hard to get. Christian buys broken units and will make
working ones but they have become far and few. I hope ours
last. We really like having it.
 Had our unit been a goner, I would
have installed a top load refrigerator/freezer in the space
with the compressor unit accessed from under the sink. I
would have also used the opportunity to replace the counter
tops (and probably the galley sink). Someone on the forum
installed a 4th air-conditioning unit in this
space (I don’t remember who). I thought it was a very
clever idea.
 Good luck – hope this
helps!    With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane
season
 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:14
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled
explosion and smell after using the Eumenia
dishwasher    Good afternoon,

2 weeks ago, I used the
Eumenia dishwasher, after the cycle was finished (and light
off), I heard like a muffled explosion…
I
open the doors under the sink, didn’t see anything, but
noticed a little strange (possibly burnt) smell…
Investigating, I saw a bottle of laundry
detergent that had broke and leaked and assume it burst…


Today, I did another
genset run, when I switch on the Dishwasher breaker on the
220 volt panel, I heard that same muffled boom…
I switch the 220 volt breaker off, did not
notice any smell and did not try to run the dishwasher
afraid of a short which could create a fire, etc.

Question 1)
Has anyone experience something similar or can
suggest a diagnostic sequence?

Question 2)
Any source to
service/repair the Eumenia dishwasher, preferably in the
Caribbean or US.

Question
3)
Any suggestion for replacement units that
would fit (and price)

Question 4)
Should it not be
repairable, or replacement too expensive for something I
only “exercise” when I use the genset: then I will put
in place a 2nd freezer/fridge, and would love to hear about
your ideas.

As always
thanks in advance…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled explosion and smell after using the Eumenia dishwasher

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Alexandre,

If your dishwasher is going to be removed, let me know.  I’ll send you pictures of the galley renovation that was done to our boat which involved removing an unrepairable dishwasher and installing a front loading refrigerator, and additional storage, and several other changes.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 18, 2016, at 17:13, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good afternoon, 

2 weeks ago, I used the Eumenia dishwasher, after the cycle was finished (and light off), I heard like a muffled explosion…  
I open the doors under the sink, didn’t see anything, but noticed a little strange (possibly burnt) smell…  
Investigating, I saw a bottle of laundry detergent that had broke and leaked and assume it burst…  

Today, I did another genset run, when I switch on the Dishwasher breaker on the 220 volt panel, I heard that same muffled boom…  
I switch the 220 volt breaker off, did not notice any smell and did not try to run the dishwasher afraid of a short which could create a fire, etc. 

Question 1)
Has anyone experience something similar or can suggest a diagnostic sequence?  

Question 2)
Any source to service/repair the Eumenia dishwasher, preferably in the Caribbean or US.  

Question 3)
Any suggestion for replacement units that would fit (and price)

Question 4) 
Should it not be repairable, or replacement too expensive for something I only “exercise” when I use the genset: then I will put in place a 2nd freezer/fridge, and would love to hear about your ideas.  

As always thanks in advance…  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled explosion and smell after using the Eumenia dishwasher

Mark Erdos
 

The email address was removed by Yahoo. It is

Christian Schabauer  is the guy with the parts and is located in Austria. He only speaks German. His email is: office (at) schabauergmbh (dot) at
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled explosion and smell after using the Eumenia dishwasher

Mark Erdos
 

Alexandre,

 

It is probably a good idea to unplug the unit from the outlet under the sink J

 

We had an issue similar to yours. The heating element in the unit burned out or shorted. The unit otherwise ran. However, I could smell the electrical burning smell under the sink. We shut the unit down until returning to the USA and had time to look into it further. I removed the front panel of the dishwasher and could quickly see the heating element had shorted. The green wire to the heat element was burned due to the short (the breaker never popped). I have ordered a replacement heat element but have not installed it yet. Has anyone else done this? How does the heating element come out? It appears to be well sealed. Any help or guidance on this would be greatly appreciated.

 

To access the dishwasher innards you need to remove the stove, the bar in front of the stove and cabinetry from below the sink area. Look for the screws to take the entire cabinet facade off with the doors still attached (it lifts up - very easy to do as you have come to expect from Amel). Remove the wood panel below the dishwasher (4 screws) and remove the metal panel from the front of the dishwasher. This access will allow you to see the entire electronics of the dishwasher. This sounds like a lot of work but it only took me an hour to get to the unit the first time (probably half that when I get in there again). This is a good time to clean behind the stove and inspect the propane supply hose.

 

After an extensive internet search, here is the only place I found that has very limited parts:  http://212.108.44.36/mdscrm/Default.aspx?tabID=55&mdsUCID=4&crs=1&artikelID=AA01019

 

Christian Schabauer  is the guy with the parts and is located in Austria. He only speaks German. I successfully used Google translate. He will ship world-wide and requires upfront payment with PayPal. His email is: office@...

 

Based on other postings and my own search, I found that the units are no longer made and unfortunately there is not a drop in replacement. Parts are very hard to get. Christian buys broken units and will make working ones but they have become far and few. I hope ours last. We really like having it.

 

Had our unit been a goner, I would have installed a top load refrigerator/freezer in the space with the compressor unit accessed from under the sink. I would have also used the opportunity to replace the counter tops (and probably the galley sink). Someone on the forum installed a 4th air-conditioning unit in this space (I don’t remember who). I thought it was a very clever idea.

 

Good luck – hope this helps!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled explosion and smell after using the Eumenia dishwasher

 

 

Good afternoon,

2 weeks ago, I used the Eumenia dishwasher, after the cycle was finished (and light off), I heard like a muffled explosion…
I open the doors under the sink, didn’t see anything, but noticed a little strange (possibly burnt) smell…
Investigating, I saw a bottle of laundry detergent that had broke and leaked and assume it burst…

Today, I did another genset run, when I switch on the Dishwasher breaker on the 220 volt panel, I heard that same muffled boom…
I switch the 220 volt breaker off, did not notice any smell and did not try to run the dishwasher afraid of a short which could create a fire, etc.

Question 1)
Has anyone experience something similar or can suggest a diagnostic sequence?

Question 2)
Any source to service/repair the Eumenia dishwasher, preferably in the Caribbean or US.

Question 3)
Any suggestion for replacement units that would fit (and price)

Question 4)
Should it not be repairable, or replacement too expensive for something I only “exercise” when I use the genset: then I will put in place a 2nd freezer/fridge, and would love to hear about your ideas.

As always thanks in advance…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
[Amel Yacht Owners] Muffled explosion and smell after using the Eumenia dishwasher

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

2 weeks ago, I used the Eumenia dishwasher, after the cycle was finished (and light off), I heard like a muffled explosion…
I open the doors under the sink, didn’t see anything, but noticed a little strange (possibly burnt) smell…
Investigating, I saw a bottle of laundry detergent that had broke and leaked and assume it burst…

Today, I did another genset run, when I switch on the Dishwasher breaker on the 220 volt panel, I heard that same muffled boom…
I switch the 220 volt breaker off, did not notice any smell and did not try to run the dishwasher afraid of a short which could create a fire, etc.

Question 1)
Has anyone experience something similar or can suggest a diagnostic sequence?

Question 2)
Any source to service/repair the Eumenia dishwasher, preferably in the Caribbean or US.

Question 3)
Any suggestion for replacement units that would fit (and price)

Question 4)
Should it not be repairable, or replacement too expensive for something I only “exercise” when I use the genset: then I will put in place a 2nd freezer/fridge, and would love to hear about your ideas.

As always thanks in advance…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sailors of the Year--Our Own Bill and Judy Rouse!

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Congratulations to Bill and Judy on your award and your 10 year great adventure.  A life well- lived.   


Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita 
SM #347


On Saturday, September 17, 2016, 11:47 AM, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Congratulations on being voted 2016 Sailor of the Year in the Sailing Today Magazine Awards! Quite a distinction--especially considering the list of nominees--  http://www.sailingtoday.co.uk/sailor-of-the-year/  Enjoy it, you deserve it!

Suzanne and Bob  SM KAIMI
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Zinc-anodes and Autoprop

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Yes, all holes at the edge of the zinc on a Max-Prop. 

Bill

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:29, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hmmm.  On the MaxProp, all the holes are at the edge

Kent

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent and Bill,

Good suggestion.  One I had read about before and I have painted the area around the bolt holes with nail polish.  The hole in the prop zinc is right dead center where the metal is thickest.

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Porto Vecchio, Corsica




On 9/18/2016 5:03 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Kent,

I have used Max-Props for almost 20 years. I'll second the comments of your diver about painting the bolt holes. 

One of the exciting things that can happen with these end cap zincs is for two of the three bolt holes to corrode away, leaving the zinc to flop around attached by one, off-center, bolt. "What the &$@# is that awful noise???"  

A few drops of paint around the bolt holes keeps them attached so you can get full life out of them. 

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Chesapeake Bay, USA



On Sep 18, 2016, at 08:39, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi all,
The design of the prop zincs is such that the thin zinc around the edges at the bolts erodes away at the same rate as the bulk of the anode.  When the thin edge is gone, the bolts have nothing to hold down.  The bulk of the anode falls off unused.

I haven't tried it yet, but I was told by a seasoned diver that you could extend the life of the prop zinc by painting the edges around the bolts with an oil-based paint.  He said that even fingernail polish would work.  By keeping water off the surface there, the reaction would not occur.  The bulk of the anode would erode, leaving the area around the bolts intact.

Sounds like a good theory, I'll give it a try next zinc change.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:17 AM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Bill,

Your theory would certainly explain the facts.  However, AMEL uses zinc prop anodes instead of the red plastic cap on the Amel 54 and I have not heard that the bonding system on the 54 is different from the Super Maramu.  Maud told me that Amel no longer stocks the red cap and suggests that I use the zinc cap instead but perhaps because that is all she had to offer.

  Mark Pitt
 Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Porto Vecchio, Corsica


On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:17 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have always believed that if you have multiple zincs connected in series, that the zinc closest to the protected items will be the first to dissolve. The zinc on the prop would be the closest zinc to ALL of the protected items in the bonding system because the C Drive is connected to the bonding system where all of the other items are connected which is to the top of the ground strap above the gray water sump. I have rationalized that this is the primary reason that Amel recommends the red cap.

I am certainly no expert on this, but this is my guess.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The plastic cap on my Autoprop was lost a couple of years ago.  I have replaced it with a zinc cap made for this prop.  The problem is that the prop zincs do not last more than 3 or 4 months before enough zinc is eaten away and a hole appears in the prop cap anode.  I have a galvanic isolator and my rudder zincs loose about one-third or one-quarter of their  mass a year.  So why does the prop anode/cap do so poorly since it is not tied to the bonding system? Should I be concerned?

Mark Pitt, Sabbatical III, ASM#419, Porto Vecchio, Corsica




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Zinc-anodes and Autoprop

karkauai
 

Hmmm.  On the MaxProp, all the holes are at the edge

Kent

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent and Bill,

Good suggestion.  One I had read about before and I have painted the area around the bolt holes with nail polish.  The hole in the prop zinc is right dead center where the metal is thickest.

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Porto Vecchio, Corsica




On 9/18/2016 5:03 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Kent,

I have used Max-Props for almost 20 years. I'll second the comments of your diver about painting the bolt holes. 

One of the exciting things that can happen with these end cap zincs is for two of the three bolt holes to corrode away, leaving the zinc to flop around attached by one, off-center, bolt. "What the &$@# is that awful noise???"  

A few drops of paint around the bolt holes keeps them attached so you can get full life out of them. 

Bill Kinney
SM #160 Harmonie
Chesapeake Bay, USA



On Sep 18, 2016, at 08:39, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi all,
The design of the prop zincs is such that the thin zinc around the edges at the bolts erodes away at the same rate as the bulk of the anode.  When the thin edge is gone, the bolts have nothing to hold down.  The bulk of the anode falls off unused.

I haven't tried it yet, but I was told by a seasoned diver that you could extend the life of the prop zinc by painting the edges around the bolts with an oil-based paint.  He said that even fingernail polish would work.  By keeping water off the surface there, the reaction would not occur.  The bulk of the anode would erode, leaving the area around the bolts intact.

Sounds like a good theory, I'll give it a try next zinc change.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 18, 2016, at 5:17 AM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Bill,

Your theory would certainly explain the facts.  However, AMEL uses zinc prop anodes instead of the red plastic cap on the Amel 54 and I have not heard that the bonding system on the 54 is different from the Super Maramu.  Maud told me that Amel no longer stocks the red cap and suggests that I use the zinc cap instead but perhaps because that is all she had to offer.

  Mark Pitt
 Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Porto Vecchio, Corsica


On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:17 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have always believed that if you have multiple zincs connected in series, that the zinc closest to the protected items will be the first to dissolve. The zinc on the prop would be the closest zinc to ALL of the protected items in the bonding system because the C Drive is connected to the bonding system where all of the other items are connected which is to the top of the ground strap above the gray water sump. I have rationalized that this is the primary reason that Amel recommends the red cap.

I am certainly no expert on this, but this is my guess.

Bill
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On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The plastic cap on my Autoprop was lost a couple of years ago.  I have replaced it with a zinc cap made for this prop.  The problem is that the prop zincs do not last more than 3 or 4 months before enough zinc is eaten away and a hole appears in the prop cap anode.  I have a galvanic isolator and my rudder zincs loose about one-third or one-quarter of their  mass a year.  So why does the prop anode/cap do so poorly since it is not tied to the bonding system? Should I be concerned?

Mark Pitt, Sabbatical III, ASM#419, Porto Vecchio, Corsica
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