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Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
With you on that Alan. That is what we do with ours. Ocean preparedness tops harbour convenieces every, time in my opinion. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean pearl
On 29 December 2020 at 20:48 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Hi Alan, please help: what do you mean with the „+ve“ battery cables? Cables to balancers or which way and connection? Sorry to ask, just avoiding any errors on Installation. Thanks so much for you expertise. Best Regards Ulrich
Am 29.12.2020 um 08:39 schrieb Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>:
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Re: Foredeck dinghy cradle
Hello all,
I concur with some on this issue. It reminds me of all those (mostly US) long keel yachts I used to see with jerricans of fuel and water, as well as surfboards and other junk, tied to the stanchions. Holy moly, if they ever got serious green water over the boat, all that would be lost, as well as the stanchions and the lifelines. I can't count the number of times Elyse's foredeck has been awash with the sea in tough conditions, and been so glad that everything was stored below. We are not quite in that situation now. We used to have an inflatable floor Avon which we always packed up and stowed before heading out. Now we have a Highfield RIB which clearly we cannot stow. We travel with it strapped upside down on the aft cabin roof with a cover on it and wide webbing straps to hold it in place. It's not perfect but MUCH better than having it on the foredeck I'm sure. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Thanks Paul,
that's right, AND all the +ve and -ve battery cables should be the same length, otherwise there will be voltage differences which will work against the balancing effect. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Fuel Tank Leak
James Alton
Dennis,
According to the measurements I took of my seeping fuel tank and from the posts of others that have removed the Maramu fuel tank it is apparently possible to remove the fuel tank with minimal interior removal. In my case, I found some cracks in the metal/welds on the forward end of the tank, one of which was seeping. The only areas where I had cracks were at or close to the welds, the rest of the tank looked excellent. I drained, flushed and cleaned the tank with solvents. Vented to remove the solvent fumes. Then detached the tank and moved it into the center of the pass thru to the aft cabin, letting it sit on a couple wooden blocks an added some lines to keep the tank upright. The tank is awkward but really not that heavy, maybe 150 pounds? I was able to move it around in the area of the pass thru by myself with a little ingenuity. In my case, moving the tank to the middle of the pass thru fully exposed the cracks in my tank and they were welded which has so far cured the seeping that I had. Before reinstalling the tank, I replaced all of the carpet that the tank was resting on and removed the foam that had absorbed fuel. I inspected the interior of the tank where possible by the way and found no corrosion inside at all.
Best of luck,
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
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From: sbmesasailor via groups.io <sbmesasailor@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 9:38 pm Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Tank Leak Hello Amelians,
My 1982/3 Maramu appears to have sprung a leak in the fuel tank. This happened once before but it was just the inspection port plate that needed tightening.
The Maramu appears to have had the deck applied after the tank was installed. Has anyone had their fuel tank removed for repair?
What are my options?
Thanks in advance.
Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Mark Barter
Thanks Bill,
The fitter did use an alignment tool but we have a prop shaft alternator and the tool used didn't have the required extra length. When I change the feet and refit the engine I will have a tool made that has the extra length. -- Mark & Nicky Barter S/V Nunky SM 110
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Re: Main mast foil play
Thomas, I would not recommend the "epoxy idea." This is not normal "wear and tear." It is caused by overloading the foil when furling and unfurling with the most common reason for overload being caused by jammed battens. Your SM did not come with battens. If you have them, you should remove them or risk this damage. Good luck. I have more information on this. If you want it, email me at brouse@.... Craig, I have not seen a Santorin with this problem. I do not believe you need it on your maintenance list. Bill
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:55 PM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote: Thanks Bill- as I compare your pic with the amount of play in my foil, I'm reluctantly aware that I'm engaging in "reality management"; my foil movement matches the pic. I'm certain my foil has never been cut, so the repair seems straightforward. There is a suggestion I've read that calls for filling the bottom of the cut foil with epoxy to strengthen it vs. the cut and drill method. Not sure how to evaluate the two approaches other than the fact that Amel didn't do that in building the boat.
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Fuel Tank Leak
sbmesasailor
Hello Amelians, My 1982/3 Maramu appears to have sprung a leak in the fuel tank. This happened once before but it was just the inspection port plate that needed tightening. The Maramu appears to have had the deck applied after the tank was installed. Has anyone had their fuel tank removed for repair? What are my options? Thanks in advance. Dennis Johns Libertad Maramu #121
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Re: Main mast foil play
Thomas Kleman
Thanks Bill- as I compare your pic with the amount of play in my foil, I'm reluctantly aware that I'm engaging in "reality management"; my foil movement matches the pic. I'm certain my foil has never been cut, so the repair seems straightforward. There is a suggestion I've read that calls for filling the bottom of the cut foil with epoxy to strengthen it vs. the cut and drill method. Not sure how to evaluate the two approaches other than the fact that Amel didn't do that in building the boat.
Tom and Kirstin SM2K 422 SV L'ORIENT Oahu
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Re: Main mast foil play
Preventive maintenance is great, but this may be in the category of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Two cents, of course. SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Main mast foil play
The short answer is you will not see all of the damage. It is fairly easy to inspect. The damage in the following photo was below the collar and not visible.
Remove the top bolt on the collar and with a halyard raise the foil upwards until you can inspect the damage. You may have to ease the mainsail halyard. Let me know if you need anything else. Amel has designed a repair kit for those who have trimmed the foil more than 2 times.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 3:44 PM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote: In installing our new mainsail, I noticed that there is some play (a small amount) in the foil connection to the furler. I've read all the posts regarding the process for cutting down the foil and drilling new holes but I'm wondering how urgent an issue this is given the small amount of play and the fact that the foil shows no signs of fracturing (yet). We like to stay ahead of problems, but I also don't want to overreact- it took 17 years for this small amount of play to emerge.
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Main mast foil play
Thomas Kleman
In installing our new mainsail, I noticed that there is some play (a small amount) in the foil connection to the furler. I've read all the posts regarding the process for cutting down the foil and drilling new holes but I'm wondering how urgent an issue this is given the small amount of play and the fact that the foil shows no signs of fracturing (yet). We like to stay ahead of problems, but I also don't want to overreact- it took 17 years for this small amount of play to emerge.
Tom and Kirstin SM2K 422 Oahu
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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Thanks Ulrich... I didn't mean to imply that your hardtop came from the Amel factory, just that it looks like it did. I particularly like how they focused on BOTH sides of the hard top and finished it like the Amel 55 Hard top with the LED lights inside and the windows. On a related question, do you still use the dingy railway/cradle system that is in the other video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3VnlBR2Uc. Thanks again!
-- Brent Cameron Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Suggest you use six Mitsteuns. That's 402kg / 888lbs - should be fine for your 85T & accessories/frame and "C" drive partial load. Plus, I think the combination hydraulic/rubber design may be an advantage.
(Now I'm up to 4 cents worth!) Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Mark, Here is a short-winded reply. I do not know of a case where motor mounts caused serious vibration. I suggest that when you replace the motor mounts that you replace either the Vetus Coupling and/or its rubber bushings and you align the engine with a fixed coupling. There is no valid way to correctly align the engine without a fixed coupling. You will likely need a machine shop to make this coupling. Let me know if you need a drawing. There are mechanics who will say the fixed coupling is not needed, but they probably have never made an alignment of a shaft that is less than 30cm like we have between the engine/transmission output and our Amel C-drive. I estimate there might be a 20% chance a mechanic can align this without a fixed coupling. Best,
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:45 AM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote: Thanks Craig and Matt for your input.
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Mark Barter
Thanks Craig and Matt for your input.
With regard to my comment about the engine being based on a tractor engine, the point I was trying to make was that It isn't, for example, a super smooth BMW engine. It is very basic so it won't be super quiet. The upside is that you have an engine that a skilled amateur could fix. The electrical connections are very easy to understand and troubleshooting is a breeze. I know because the electrical fitter had to do just that. It turns out that a piece of heatshrink had been badly fitted and a 10 and 40 amp fuse had been put in the wrong places. I think my troubles will be solved by correct alignment and new, correctly rated engine feet. I note that that Perkins which weighs 225kg plus gearbox was on 4 Vetus Mitsteun feet. They are rated at 67kg each which is a total of 268kg. That would seem a little light for the Perkins because there were 3 alternators fitted plus the weight of the frame. Clearly Amel would have known this so is it the case that, due to the fact that engine isn't bolted directly to the hull, the engine feet don't need to be as highly rated? I note another member with a 54 fitted 4 Vetus K50 feet to the engine frame and 2 to the C-drive. These are rated at 50kg each but the Beta 85T engine alone weighs 359kg. Then there is the bigger gearbox, the frame and the alternators. What I am asking in a long winded way is for some advice as to which engine feet I should fit to help with the vibration issues. Many thanks -- Mark & Nicky Barter S/V Nunky SM 110
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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
Hi Alan and Paul, best thanks for your input on the installation of the battery balancers, which i will pass to our electrician in the marina, as soon as the parts arrive here. The know how in this forum is almost unlimited, neural network, mhm? Great, thanks. Dear Mohamed, apparently your inquiry about our hardtop has sparked further interest, as Brent and Peter indicate. So I'm welcome to respond throughout the forum: No hardtop was ever built by Amel on a 54 ab shipyard to my knowledge, ours is also a custom build by the previous owner. in the youtube slideshow you can see all the details. may be also measures. He designed it, it was built in Turkey where he had stayed for a long time. I myself have neither drawings nor measurements, nor anything about the construction, there is no contact to the previous owners, so sorry. I mean to remember he had the HardTop built at Demir Marine Marmaris. All handmade and only the 3rd mould version has then fit. The sub-construction should consist of carbon and foam. Spotlights are mounted in the ceiling and LED strips on the edges. The upper small windows forwards can be opened to the outside. In the ceiling is also a plexi window, to control the mainsail. We love this deckhouse because it provides perfect wind and weather protection, like a winter garden it can also be closed off sideways and aft with matching sunbrella canvas (with integrated plastic windows and mosquito nets. This YouTube shows all details and equipment too, but sorry no construction drawings, so sorry! Alian, your solution appears to me also very professional and versatile too. compliments. Best wishes to all and THX Ulrich „Soleil Bleu“ / A54#088
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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Ulrich,
I seem to recall reading that it is important that all the cables connecting the balancers are exactly the same in gauge and length.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER
Sent: 27 December 2020 13:34 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Hello Ameliens, I hope you are all healthy and in good spirits, wherever you are. Inspired by some comments here about better battery condition and performance, I decided to install Victron battery balancers. We have a 54 #088, and replaced all 12 service batteries in Victron AGM 110Ah deep cycle this summer. Here I have the following questions specifically to other 54 friends who have done this optimization themselves: - where did you install these blue boxes? Directly in the battery compartment or next to the bulkhead where all the cables and the main switches are mounted?Victron recommends mounting vertically, out of the battery vapor. since I can't get directly into the boat at the moment, I have no idea where and how to mount. - 2nd question: what is the best way to wire? Victron recommends for 12 batteries 2 balancers connected in parallel. so 1 balancer between 6 batteries. If you have better pragmatic experience, I am very grateful. Since we do not know when we come back to Greece, I would with your recommendation then provide the electrician of the marina with the parts and installation instructions, so that he can install the balancers in the meantime optimally. I have already asked twice at Pochon, Mr. Geniteau, who make the electrical installations at all Amel. But until today unfortunately no answer or feedback get. pity. Therefore, I hope for your tremendous practical experience and exchange in this great forum and thank you very much in advance.
For 2021, wherever you are, I wish you only the best: health, happiness and fair winds. Stay healthy!
Best regards
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Bonjour Alain,
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Thank you - I have seen the video - can you tell me who made it and could they make another. Your 54 is beautiful. I am at ppsforbes’at’gmail.com Cordialement Peter Peter Forbes The Old Rectory Farnham Blandford DT11 8 DE 00447836 209730 07836 209730
On 28 Dec 2020, at 09:41, Alain Durante <info@...> wrote:
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Re: battery balancers /A54/ Victron AGM
Alain Durante
Peter,
For your information, hardtop set up on my Amel 54 #021 , photos attached.
Cordialement,
Alain Durante
De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
De la part de Peter Forbes via groups.io
I too am very interested in this new hardtop set up. Carango has a half (forward half) hard top which we sailed around the world but we are interested in replacing that with the Soleil Blue version. Ours has a top window so we can see the set of the main sail from the cockpit which we like. But we do not have solar panel on top because of that.
Can someone tell us where this new hardtop was made and who owns the design.
I would like to ask prices of the manufacturer.
Can anyone help with that.
Peter Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54 #035 La Rochelle 00447836 209730 07836 209730
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