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Super Maramu FRIENDSHIP II Hull #415 From San Francisco

yahoogroups@...
 

I saw a terrible sight today! Located at Coral Cove Marina, Trinidad in the secured hard storage area is FRIENDSHIP II, Super Maramu Red Line Hull #415 with a homeport of San Francisco. It has been on the hard since 2008 and is rotting and molding in place. There is even mold on the spreaders. What once was an all-boat cover is in shreds. According to locals nobody has visited this boat since it was placed on the hard in 2008. I was also told that someone is paying for storage.

Does anyone know anything about this boat. I have photos for the owner or an interested party. 


Best,


Bill Rouse

BeBe, 387

 


Re: Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Duane,
Actually, to replace you'll have to remove and then reinstall the fiberglass structure that is around the valve base and deal with the through hull assembly.  If you can simply unscrew the to part you'll have a much easier project - the insides can be replaces with new, if that seems appropriate after you take it apart.  You may have to cut back a bit of fiberglass to take it apart, but it is still much easier.
Good luck with it.
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris


[Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Basic Maintenance of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

For the new owners like myself who are intimidated by maintenance task they have never done performed, I illustrated the “Basic maintenance” of the Lofrans Tigres Windlass.

I really would like the more experience owners to look at the document and make sure I did not make any mistake (too much grease, etc.) and correct me.


Since I purchase my vessel (end of 2012) I had never serviced the windlass… Why?
because I don’t use it much and gave priority to other systems that i use all the time.
Consequently some parts were very difficult to extract.

Now that I am familiar with it, I will definitely service it on a regular basis (starting every 3 months).
I believe this will be much easier and quicker.

This also helped me to understand better how my windlass works.

Here is the link:
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html

For low bandwidth user, the document is split in 5 sections.

If bandwidth is not an issue, there is also the full version (58 pictures).


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Flying the foc d'artimon and trinquette on Maramu 46

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Yet another display of my ignorance but here goes...

To save me re-inventing two wheels, would anyone be able to advise me the best configurations for flying the mizzen staysail and the trinquette.

In particular, I'd value opinions on the best attachment points for the tacks and how people generally route the sheets.

Many thanks in advance

Graham Cresswell

SY Jamesby
Maramu 46 #240


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

tfortner1975
 

The boat has been at the doc for quiet some time. Barnacle build up possibly? Equipment malfunction? Dried sticky seals? 

When we tried to retract it, it was intermittent. 

If I do purchase it a complete overall will be done and then maybe a final answer. 

And yes the inside starboard hull was chewed up as well. I couldn't get a clean image of it but could feel inside. 

 



On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Trevor, You may have nailed it , almost sure you did. The light did not go on in the down position , but I thought it was the result of a lightning strike that had blown out a fan and other lights , the buzzer also did not come on. I had  my wife look to see if the thruster went down when activated and it did , but she may not have realized it  was not down all the way. I also noticed scuffing  on the edge of the hull opening on the starboard side. I now wished I had ordered a new prop . Did you determine why the thruster did not extend all the way down ?
Thanks Again,
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: tfortner1975@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2016 1:59 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

 
Mate,

I just observed a survey on a Santorin for a possible purchase. Same thing occurred. Once it was out of the water we could see that it had not fully deployed downward. One direction of thrust pushes the prop away from the hull and the other direction pulls it toward the hull. The vibration was the grinding of the prop against the inside of the hull. It chewed up the edges of the blades pretty well. 

The bow thruster had a small play (not tight fitting) that allowed it to wiggle port to starboard, just slightly. 

When we grabbed the housing and pulled downward it fell a few inches into the bottom position.  Once back in the water the vibration was gone. Though we could hear it shift from port to starboard by changing thrust dir ection. 

A few things as a possible owner I took note on:

1. The housing will need to be built back up so that the outer diameter of the bow thruster glides smoothly inside the hull - there was an area on the forward starboard edge that was visibly worn down. 

2. This unit has no visual indicator at the helm station letting you know it is fully extended or retracted - poor mans choice is to simply go have a look inside the fwd cabin and inspect if it has fully deployed prior to engaging the prop. 

Hope this helps,

Trevor 


On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:13 PM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
My bow thruster is making a loud unusual noise and vibration , but in only one direction . I was preoccupied with getting it into a travel and failed to make note of which direction it made noise. Any thoughts on what would make vibration/noise in one direction. I now wish I had left it down to take a look . It was only out for ten minutes for the surveyor to inspect the hull and once again, I was preoccupied with the task at hand to determine anything concerning the bow thruster. I will have another chance in a couple of weeks when its pulled again to switch out all the transducers. I ordered a new hub and screws from Maud to be ready, if needed.

Thanks,
Pat SM Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

Patrick McAneny
 

Alexandre, That was my thought too . When the prop was trying to pull away from the hub it could oscillate , being pushed against the hub it would not. It may be that , and it contributed to what Trevor just posted. I am very anxious to see if this is the case and may drive down to Annapolis just to find out.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jul 29, 2016 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

 
Just a guess:
when you are going to Port it is ok, but if you are going to starboard you have the noise and vibration.
If this is the case, I would guess that the “hub” is getting old and stats to look like pictures 4 and 5 on this link
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_lost_propeller.html
You will see, the red arrow pointing to the hole that, with age, become wider.

So (if I am right) why not making noise going to Port, because the propeller is pushing the foot of the bow thruster, while going starboard it is pulling on the hub, etc.

Please keep us posted as what you find!

Personally I carry lots of spare hubs, prop, etc...

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/29/16, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, July 29, 2016, 1:13 PM


 









My bow thruster is making a loud
unusual noise and vibration , but in only one direction . I
was preoccupied with getting it into a travel and failed to
make note of which direction it made noise. Any thoughts on
what would make vibration/noise in one direction. I now wish
I had left it down to take a look . It was only out for ten
minutes for the surveyor to inspect the hull and once again,
I was preoccupied with the task at hand to determine
anything concerning the bow thruster. I will have another
chance in a couple of weeks when its pulled again to switch
out all the transducers. I ordered a new hub and screws from
Maud to be ready, if needed.
Thanks, Pat SM
Shenanigans











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

Patrick McAneny
 

Trevor, You may have nailed it , almost sure you did. The light did not go on in the down position , but I thought it was the result of a lightning strike that had blown out a fan and other lights , the buzzer also did not come on. I had  my wife look to see if the thruster went down when activated and it did , but she may not have realized it  was not down all the way. I also noticed scuffing  on the edge of the hull opening on the starboard side. I now wished I had ordered a new prop . Did you determine why the thruster did not extend all the way down ?
Thanks Again,
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: tfortner1975@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Jul 30, 2016 1:59 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

 
Mate,

I just observed a survey on a Santorin for a possible purchase. Same thing occurred. Once it was out of the water we could see that it had not fully deployed downward. One direction of thrust pushes the prop away from the hull and the other direction pulls it toward the hull. The vibration was the grinding of the prop against the inside of the hull. It chewed up the edges of the blades pretty well. 

The bow thruster had a small play (not tight fitting) that allowed it to wiggle port to starboard, just slightly. 

When we grabbed the housing and pulled downward it fell a few inches into the bottom position.  Once back in the water the vibration was gone. Though we could hear it shift from port to starboard by changing thrust dir ection. 

A few things as a possible owner I took note on:

1. The housing will need to be built back up so that the outer diameter of the bow thruster glides smoothly inside the hull - there was an area on the forward starboard edge that was visibly worn down. 

2. This unit has no visual indicator at the helm station letting you know it is fully extended or retracted - poor mans choice is to simply go have a look inside the fwd cabin and inspect if it has fully deployed prior to engaging the prop. 

Hope this helps,

Trevor 


On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:13 PM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
My bow thruster is making a loud unusual noise and vibration , but in only one direction . I was preoccupied with getting it into a travel and failed to make note of which direction it made noise. Any thoughts on what would make vibration/noise in one direction. I now wish I had left it down to take a look . It was only out for ten minutes for the surveyor to inspect the hull and once again, I was preoccupied with the task at hand to determine anything concerning the bow thruster. I will have another chance in a couple of weeks when its pulled again to switch out all the transducers. I ordered a new hub and screws from Maud to be ready, if needed.

Thanks,
Pat SM Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Kent.  Great info.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Trinidad Island 44 is a tin-based paint.  On my boat in the tropics and in Brunswick GA, and Fernandina Beach, FL which have strong tidal flows and brackish waters, it lasted 4+ years.
BUT!!!
Although it is legal in the US for boats longer than 75ft (and is used by most commercial ships, the Navy, and the Coast Guard), the Environmental Protection Agency is sticking it to us smaller boat owners.  Nothing else sticks to that paint.  You have to remove it completely if you paint your boat next time in the US.  The EPA requires that the boat be in an enclosed space, no sandblasting allowed.  It has to be chemically stripped, then any remaining paint has to be sanded using vacuum dust collection.  Then the paint removed had to be disposed of in a lined landfill.  I learned this the hard way and got bad information and advice from Customer Service at Trinidad paints.  Just stripping the paint cost $10,000, not to mention the cost of two paint jobs.

You can buy tin based paint in the Bahamas.
What I would do is use Island 44, and buy enough to paint the boat twice.  If I was going to repaint it next time in the US, I'd either do it myself or remove the labels and call it something my else.  I'd  have 8-9 years of great bottom paint.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Curaçao


On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:00 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben:


I have had the bottom of our Amel SM #335 painted twice at Spice Island Marine in Grenada (last time about 6 years ago now) but they did fine work.  I always supervise any work on my boat and make sure they understand what you want done (written).  Our work included scuff sanding of hull and keel, application of two coats of anti-fouling with a third coat at the water-line and leading edges as Bill indicated.  I try to schedule the boat for two hours in sling on the day of launch to scuff sand and paint the bottom of the keel, that normally get neglected.  If you do this over the noon hour, usually they will only charge you for one hour of sling time but you get two.  

About 6 years into the ownership of our boat I noticed while in Jolly Harbor, Antigua that my boat was the only one with bottom growth even after fresh paint.  I asked what was on the other boats and was told it was Trinidad Island 44 (a paint that isn't legal in the USA because it actually works in Caribbean waters).  I have used it ever since and have been very pleased.  You might consider it for your paint choice.  I haven't compared prices with the Micron but as I recall it takes about 5 1/2 US gal to do my boat as described. 

All the best to you and Gayle,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona   Amel SM #335   Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

karkauai
 

Oops, amend my comments to read Sea Hawk Island 44 as well.  I had Kristy painted with it in Trinidad.  Duh.
Kent


On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:03 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Ben


That paint should have read SeaHawk  Island 44.  

Gary


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Gary.  Do you recall that pain was available in Grenada? 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:03 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Ben


That paint should have read SeaHawk  Island 44.  

Gary


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

karkauai
 

Trinidad Island 44 is a tin-based paint.  On my boat in the tropics and in Brunswick GA, and Fernandina Beach, FL which have strong tidal flows and brackish waters, it lasted 4+ years.
BUT!!!
Although it is legal in the US for boats longer than 75ft (and is used by most commercial ships, the Navy, and the Coast Guard), the Environmental Protection Agency is sticking it to us smaller boat owners.  Nothing else sticks to that paint.  You have to remove it completely if you paint your boat next time in the US.  The EPA requires that the boat be in an enclosed space, no sandblasting allowed.  It has to be chemically stripped, then any remaining paint has to be sanded using vacuum dust collection.  Then the paint removed had to be disposed of in a lined landfill.  I learned this the hard way and got bad information and advice from Customer Service at Trinidad paints.  Just stripping the paint cost $10,000, not to mention the cost of two paint jobs.

You can buy tin based paint in the Bahamas.
What I would do is use Island 44, and buy enough to paint the boat twice.  If I was going to repaint it next time in the US, I'd either do it myself or remove the labels and call it something my else.  I'd  have 8-9 years of great bottom paint.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Curaçao


On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:00 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben:


I have had the bottom of our Amel SM #335 painted twice at Spice Island Marine in Grenada (last time about 6 years ago now) but they did fine work.  I always supervise any work on my boat and make sure they understand what you want done (written).  Our work included scuff sanding of hull and keel, application of two coats of anti-fouling with a third coat at the water-line and leading edges as Bill indicated.  I try to schedule the boat for two hours in sling on the day of launch to scuff sand and paint the bottom of the keel, that normally get neglected.  If you do this over the noon hour, usually they will only charge you for one hour of sling time but you get two.  

About 6 years into the ownership of our boat I noticed while in Jolly Harbor, Antigua that my boat was the only one with bottom growth even after fresh paint.  I asked what was on the other boats and was told it was Trinidad Island 44 (a paint that isn't legal in the USA because it actually works in Caribbean waters).  I have used it ever since and have been very pleased.  You might consider it for your paint choice.  I haven't compared prices with the Micron but as I recall it takes about 5 1/2 US gal to do my boat as described. 

All the best to you and Gayle,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona   Amel SM #335   Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico


H&G Hydra 330 reset

yvon@...
 

Hello to all,


My Santorin is equipt with an Hydra 330. I've send it to Tinley for check-out, computer unit and FFD. 

On return, Nothing work. Tinley suggest to "reset" the system. The only information I've find about this operation is in page 209 of the h2000 user manual... But not very easy to operate... 

So, does somebody knows how to reset the system B&G?

Tank you for help

Yvon 

Santorin "Santenig"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

tfortner1975
 

Mate,

I just observed a survey on a Santorin for a possible purchase. Same thing occurred. Once it was out of the water we could see that it had not fully deployed downward. One direction of thrust pushes the prop away from the hull and the other direction pulls it toward the hull. The vibration was the grinding of the prop against the inside of the hull. It chewed up the edges of the blades pretty well. 

The bow thruster had a small play (not tight fitting) that allowed it to wiggle port to starboard, just slightly. 

When we grabbed the housing and pulled downward it fell a few inches into the bottom position.  Once back in the water the vibration was gone. Though we could hear it shift from port to starboard by changing thrust direction. 

A few things as a possible owner I took note on:

1. The housing will need to be built back up so that the outer diameter of the bow thruster glides smoothly inside the hull - there was an area on the forward starboard edge that was visibly worn down. 

2. This unit has no visual indicator at the helm station letting you know it is fully extended or retracted - poor mans choice is to simply go have a look inside the fwd cabin and inspect if it has fully deployed prior to engaging the prop. 

Hope this helps,

Trevor 


On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:13 PM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My bow thruster is making a loud unusual noise and vibration , but in only one direction . I was preoccupied with getting it into a travel and failed to make note of which direction it made noise. Any thoughts on what would make vibration/noise in one direction. I now wish I had left it down to take a look . It was only out for ten minutes for the surveyor to inspect the hull and once again, I was preoccupied with the task at hand to determine anything concerning the bow thruster. I will have another chance in a couple of weeks when its pulled again to switch out all the transducers. I ordered a new hub and screws from Maud to be ready, if needed.


Thanks,
Pat SM Shenanigans



Re: Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Ben

That paint should have read SeaHawk  Island 44.  

Gary


Re: Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Ben:

I have had the bottom of our Amel SM #335 painted twice at Spice Island Marine in Grenada (last time about 6 years ago now) but they did fine work.  I always supervise any work on my boat and make sure they understand what you want done (written).  Our work included scuff sanding of hull and keel, application of two coats of anti-fouling with a third coat at the water-line and leading edges as Bill indicated.  I try to schedule the boat for two hours in sling on the day of launch to scuff sand and paint the bottom of the keel, that normally get neglected.  If you do this over the noon hour, usually they will only charge you for one hour of sling time but you get two.  

About 6 years into the ownership of our boat I noticed while in Jolly Harbor, Antigua that my boat was the only one with bottom growth even after fresh paint.  I asked what was on the other boats and was told it was Trinidad Island 44 (a paint that isn't legal in the USA because it actually works in Caribbean waters).  I have used it ever since and have been very pleased.  You might consider it for your paint choice.  I haven't compared prices with the Micron but as I recall it takes about 5 1/2 US gal to do my boat as described. 

All the best to you and Gayle,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona   Amel SM #335   Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

The order for your haulout will look like this:

Parts Order For: "La Bella Vita" Super Maramu #347 

For Bow Thruster service:
1 each propeller shaft seal 
1 each 60mm Bow Thruster tube seal 
1 set of 3 foam seals for bow thruster 
1 set - nylon hub with stainless steel pin and 6 nylon screws

For Propeller shaft service:
1 set of 3 seals for shaft
1 each bronze wear bushing, with O ring
1 each Spurs Zinc for Line Cutter

Sold to:

Ship to:

Charge Credit Card:
Number, exp date, code

If you want to order an AutoProp bearing kit now, contact David Shepard at david"at"bruntons-propellers.com. You will need your autoprop model number, serial number and turning direct direction. Yours should be Model Number H6 and Left Hand direction. The serial number is embossed on the propeller, and may be with your Amel Documentation.

I added the Spurs zinc to the Amel order, but you can order these for less money from from Spurs at http://www.spursmarine.com/ 

Your Spurs is Model: B 1 ½ "

Spurs is located at:
201 SW 33rd Street
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33315 USA
PHONE
US (954) 463-2707
Toll Free (800) 824-5372
I would call them. If the line cutter has never been serviced before they sell a service kit that you may want to install. If the zincs have not been replaced, you will find that the threads on the bolts that hold the line cutter together have dissolved. The service kit will take care of this problem.

Also, I failed to mention something. If your boat previously had Micron66 bottom paint, it will not require primer. But if it did not have Micron66, or you do not know, a coat of primer will be needed. Talk to the place you buy antifouling. As a general rule, if you are using the same hard-type antifouling, no primer is needed.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Steve.  I am leaving for San  Diego Monday but should be back by October first .  In the meantime I'm ordering parts Bill suggested from Amel.

Ben 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

If you decide to do the work in Grenada prior to our departure around 1 November, I'm happy to help you with the Cdrive and bow thruster service. After you have done it once, you will not be nervous to tackle it the next time. 

Steve Davis
Aloha Sm72
Right next to you in Grenada

On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:37, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Excellent thanks 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

Yes, Wear Bushing and seals from Amel is for the C drive.

There is another option that you should investigate and that is a haul out at Le Marin, Martinique with Amel doing the work and you observing. It will cost you more, but could be invaluable for your first time. Contact amel.caraibes"at"amel.fr.

Also, I failed to remind you that you will need an AutoProp puller. It looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBW-hoycOw

Note that the autoprop in the video has a zinc. Amel's bonding system protects the prop and Amel recommends a plastic hub. A red one came with your boat.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Quick question Bill.  Below item #3 you refer  Wear Bushing and seals from Amel.. This is for C drive?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:05 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

About 9 years ago we had BeBe's bottom sanded and painted with antifouling at Spice Island Marine in Grenada http://spiceislandmarine.com/ If you contact them ask for Suzie and tell her we pointed you to her.

The yard provided and supervised good workers for the job and we supplied a 20 liter pail of InterNational Micron66 that we had bought on sale 6 months prior. The job consisted of:
  1. Haulout 
  2. Pressure
  3. Place on hard stand supports
  4. Lightly sand the entire bottom
  5. Clean the propeller
  6. Paint 2 coats with a roller all over and 1 more coat at the waterline and leading edges. It will take about 18 liters. They supplied all materials except the Micron66
  7. Polish the topsides
Judy and I did the following while the above was being done.
  1. Replace  Bow Thruster&nbs p;oil (gear oil 80-90) and seals kit from Amel (normal service)
  2. Replace Bow Thruster Hub from Amel
  3. Replace Wear Bushing and seals from Amel
  4. Replace C Drive oil (Amel now uses 80-90 Gear oil)
  5. Replace Spurs line cutter zinc (available only from Spurz or a dealer)
  6. Replace Rudder zincs
  7. Using an Ohmmeter, check continuity between propeller shaft and rudder zincs (checking bonding)
  8. Use your grease gun to inject waterproof grease the AutoProp, using the grease fitting from AutoProp, and check for blade wobble which is a sign of needed bearing replacement. I think if you plan to own your Amel for a while that you should probably buy a bearing kit from AutoProp to have it when it is necessary to install.
  9. Grease the two head's ball valves by injecting grease from the bottom into and on the interior ball.
Be sure that you have al l of the parts, including oil, before hand. I have underlined some of the things that you should have gathered before you haulout. And be sure that you have searched and found the instructions in the Files section of the Amel Owners Group. You should search both Photos and Files for keywords like C Drive, bushing, thruster, propeller.
Did you save the links for the photos of both of these jobs provided by "Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT"?

You should get a price from Spice Island Marine in Grenada and Peakes in Trinidad and other references on both of these.

Get back to me with questions.

Bill
BeBe

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... > wrote:
 

Shortly I will haul and paint the bottom of my boat for the first time as a new owner (Feb 15).  Previous boats I painted were smaller and in cooler California waters.   I would appreciate advice on best type of paint, number of coats, need for primer, etc.?  Also recommendations for good yard to have work done would be appreciated.  I'm in Grenada but would travel reasonable distance for quality work and reasonable price.


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

Stephen Davis
 

Have a good trip to San Diego. I'll be back on the boat 19 September, and we will probably be on the hook starting in October. Get in touch when you return, and we will figure something out. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Jul 29, 2016, at 16:18, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Steve.  I am leaving for San  Diego Monday but should be back by October first .  In the meantime I'm ordering parts Bill suggested from Amel.

Ben 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

If you decide to do the work in Grenada prior to our departure around 1 November, I'm happy to help you with the Cdrive and bow thruster service. After you have done it once, you will not be nervous to tackle it the next time. 

Steve Davis
Aloha Sm72
Right next to you in Grenada

On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:37, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Excellent thanks 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

Yes, Wear Bushing and seals from Amel is for the C drive.

There is another option that you should investigate and that is a haul out at Le Marin, Martinique with Amel doing the work and you observing. It will cost you more, but could be invaluable for your first time. Contact amel.caraibes"at"amel.fr.

Also, I failed to remind you that you will need an AutoProp puller. It looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBW-hoycOw

Note that the autoprop in the video has a zinc. Amel's bonding system protects the prop and Amel recommends a plastic hub. A red one came with your boat.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Quick question Bill.  Below item #3 you refer  Wear Bushing and seals from Amel.. This is for C drive?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:05 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

About 9 years ago we had BeBe's bottom sanded and painted with antifouling at Spice Island Marine in Grenada http://spiceislandmarine.com/ If you contact them ask for Suzie and tell her we pointed you to her.

The yard provided and supervised good workers for the job and we supplied a 20 liter pail of InterNational Micron66 that we had bought on sale 6 months prior. The job consisted of:
  1. Haulout 
  2. Pressure
  3. Place on hard stand supports
  4. Lightly sand the entire bottom
  5. Clean the propeller
  6. Paint 2 coats with a roller all over and 1 more coat at the waterline and leading edges. It will take about 18 liters. They supplied all materials except the Micron66
  7. Polish the topsides
Judy and I did the following while the above was being done.
  1. Replace Bow Thruster&nbs p;oil (gear oil 80-90) and seals kit from Amel (normal service)
  2. Replace Bow Thruster Hub from Amel
  3. Replace Wear Bushing and seals from Amel
  4. Replace C Drive oil (Amel now uses 80-90 Gear oil)
  5. Replace Spurs line cutter zinc (available only from Spurz or a dealer)
  6. Replace Rudder zincs
  7. Using an Ohmmeter, check continuity between propeller shaft and rudder zincs (checking bonding)
  8. Use your grease gun to inject waterproof grease the AutoProp, using the grease fitting from AutoProp, and check for blade wobble which is a sign of needed bearing replacement. I think if you plan to own your Amel for a while that you should probably buy a bearing kit from AutoProp to have it when it is necessary to install.
  9. Grease the two head's ball valves by injecting grease from the bottom into and on the interior ball.
Be sure that you have al l of the parts, including oil, before hand. I have underlined some of the things that you should have gathered before you haulout. And be sure that you have searched and found the instructions in the Files section of the Amel Owners Group. You should search both Photos and Files for keywords like C Drive, bushing, thruster, propeller.
Did you save the links for the photos of both of these jobs provided by "Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT"?

You should get a price from Spice Island Marine in Grenada and Peakes in Trinidad and other references on both of these.

Get back to me with questions.

Bill
BeBe

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Shortly I will haul and paint the bottom of my boat for the first time as a new owner (Feb 15).  Previous boats I painted were smaller and in cooler California waters.   I would appreciate advice on best type of paint, number of coats, need for primer, etc.?  Also recommendations for good yard to have work done would be appreciated.  I'm in Grenada but would travel reasonable distance for quality work and reasonable price.


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Just a guess:
when you are going to Port it is ok, but if you are going to starboard you have the noise and vibration.
If this is the case, I would guess that the “hub” is getting old and stats to look like pictures 4 and 5 on this link
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_lost_propeller.html
You will see, the red arrow pointing to the hole that, with age, become wider.

So (if I am right) why not making noise going to Port, because the propeller is pushing the foot of the bow thruster, while going starboard it is pulling on the hub, etc.

Please keep us posted as what you find!

Personally I carry lots of spare hubs, prop, etc...

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 7/29/16, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, July 29, 2016, 1:13 PM


 









My bow thruster is making a loud
unusual noise and vibration , but in only one direction . I
was preoccupied with getting it into a travel and failed to
make note of which direction it made noise. Any thoughts on
what would make vibration/noise in one direction. I now wish
I had left it down to take a look . It was only out for ten
minutes for the surveyor to inspect the hull and once again,
I was preoccupied with the task at hand to determine
anything concerning the bow thruster. I will have another
chance in a couple of weeks when its pulled again to switch
out all the transducers. I ordered a new hub and screws from
Maud to be ready, if needed.
Thanks, Pat SM
Shenanigans











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best bottom paint methods for Caribbean

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Steve.  I am leaving for San  Diego Monday but should be back by October first .  In the meantime I'm ordering parts Bill suggested from Amel.

Ben 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

If you decide to do the work in Grenada prior to our departure around 1 November, I'm happy to help you with the Cdrive and bow thruster service. After you have done it once, you will not be nervous to tackle it the next time. 

Steve Davis
Aloha Sm72
Right next to you in Grenada

On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:37, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Excellent thanks 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 1:31 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

Yes, Wear Bushing and seals from Amel is for the C drive.

There is another option that you should investigate and that is a haul out at Le Marin, Martinique with Amel doing the work and you observing. It will cost you more, but could be invaluable for your first time. Contact amel.caraibes"at"amel.fr.

Also, I failed to remind you that you will need an AutoProp puller. It looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBW-hoycOw

Note that the autoprop in the video has a zinc. Amel's bonding system protects the prop and Amel recommends a plastic hub. A red one came with your boat.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Quick question Bill.  Below item #3 you refer  Wear Bushing and seals from Amel.. This is for C drive?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:05 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

About 9 years ago we had BeBe's bottom sanded and painted with antifouling at Spice Island Marine in Grenada http://spiceislandmarine.com/ If you contact them ask for Suzie and tell her we pointed you to her.

The yard provided and supervised good workers for the job and we supplied a 20 liter pail of InterNational Micron66 that we had bought on sale 6 months prior. The job consisted of:
  1. Haulout 
  2. Pressure
  3. Place on hard stand supports
  4. Lightly sand the entire bottom
  5. Clean the propeller
  6. Paint 2 coats with a roller all over and 1 more coat at the waterline and leading edges. It will take about 18 liters. They supplied all materials except the Micron66
  7. Polish the topsides
Judy and I did the following while the above was being done.
  1. Replace Bow Thruster&nbs p;oil (gear oil 80-90) and seals kit from Amel (normal service)
  2. Replace Bow Thruster Hub from Amel
  3. Replace Wear Bushing and seals from Amel
  4. Replace C Drive oil (Amel now uses 80-90 Gear oil)
  5. Replace Spurs line cutter zinc (available only from Spurz or a dealer)
  6. Replace Rudder zincs
  7. Using an Ohmmeter, check continuity between propeller shaft and rudder zincs (checking bonding)
  8. Use your grease gun to inject waterproof grease the AutoProp, using the grease fitting from AutoProp, and check for blade wobble which is a sign of needed bearing replacement. I think if you plan to own your Amel for a while that you should probably buy a bearing kit from AutoProp to have it when it is necessary to install.
  9. Grease the two head's ball valves by injecting grease from the bottom into and on the interior ball.
Be sure that you have al l of the parts, including oil, before hand. I have underlined some of the things that you should have gathered before you haulout. And be sure that you have searched and found the instructions in the Files section of the Amel Owners Group. You should search both Photos and Files for keywords like C Drive, bushing, thruster, propeller.
Did you save the links for the photos of both of these jobs provided by "Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT"?

You should get a price from Spice Island Marine in Grenada and Peakes in Trinidad and other references on both of these.

Get back to me with questions.

Bill
BeBe

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Shortly I will haul and paint the bottom of my boat for the first time as a new owner (Feb 15).  Previous boats I painted were smaller and in cooler California waters.   I would appreciate advice on best type of paint, number of coats, need for primer, etc.?  Also recommendations for good yard to have work done would be appreciated.  I'm in Grenada but would travel reasonable distance for quality work and reasonable price.


Thanks

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

Stephen Davis
 

Thats good news then. I wonder if Bill is correct that you have an issue with the blade. If that is the case, it would be a simple fix. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On Jul 29, 2016, at 13:22, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve, It felt  normal before I launched in April. Very aware of Rascal's problems , I inspected his boat before he left the Sassafras and advised him that the bearings were shot . Later while in the Caribbean , he thought the motor may have failed, as it would not turn and remembering the condition the bearing were in, I suggested he replace them before taking the motor to a shop. It turned out to be the bearings not the motor. I replaced my bearings a few years ago and probably have not ran my thruster a total of ten minutes since.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Jul 29, 2016 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow truster vibration

 
Hi Pat,

I'm not sure about the only one direction noise. When Rick Grimes on Rascal had the noisy bow thruster which eventually led to total failure, I found the prop had lots of lateral slop as a result of all the bearings having failed. Have you tried to turn the prop by hand to see how it feels?

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Grenada

On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:13, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
My bow thruster is making a loud unusual noise and vibration , but in only one direction . I was preoccupied with getting it into a travel and failed to make note of which direction it made noise. Any thoughts on what would make vibration/noise in one direction. I now wish I had left it down to take a look . It was only out for ten minutes for the surveyor to inspect the hull and once again, I was preoccupied with the task at hand to determine anything concerning the bow thruster. I will have another chance in a couple of weeks when its pulled again to switch out all the transducers. I ordered a new hub and screws from Maud to be ready, if needed.

Thanks,
Pat SM Shenanigans