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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water heater long term storage

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi we drain the tank if the boat is in an area subject freezing. 
Given the age of the water heater and that you got rust you might just want to change the electric heating element too. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jul 26, 2016, at 04:48, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

HI all;


The last time we came back after about 6 months, the hot water had some rust colored water for a coupe of days. We had emptied out all water from the main water tank but must have had some water in the hot water tank. So I'm wondering what others have done and what is the proper wintering procedure for the water heater tank.


Thank you

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099


Water heater long term storage

Mohammad Shirloo
 

HI all;


The last time we came back after about 6 months, the hot water had some rust colored water for a coupe of days. We had emptied out all water from the main water tank but must have had some water in the hot water tank. So I'm wondering what others have done and what is the proper wintering procedure for the water heater tank.


Thank you

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099


What I found in my wire tracing so far.

eric freedman
 

This is for my 4jh3hte yanmar—

Quite different than the 4hh4

 

MY PROBLEM

 

My problem initially was that the engine solenoid that connects the block to the negative battery terminal would not operate. I had to have someone push the button on the solenoid and the engine would start.

I changed the Solenoid (Valeo Brand) and it worked for a few years. Bill posted some of my photos of the solenoid.

However this time changing the solenoid did not work. I then assumed it was the starter switch, I changed that.. Still no luck. I then started to fiddle with the wiring and then the “B” panel refused to light up  intermittently. I guess I disconnected something which I will find soon.

Even connecting the heavy lugs on the starter motor and pushing the plunger on the Valeo solenoid would not start the engine.

 

I checked the other relay made by Yanmar , it was also good. It is used to activate the solenoid on the starter motor. It is larger and black and mounted forward of the Valeo Solenoid.

 

This is how the Starter circuit is supposed to work when the key is turned to the start position--- the small Yanmar solenoid closes and applies power to the starter motor on the positive side and the Valeo solenoid closes, connecting the block to the negative battery terminal, That should start the engine. This I am positive about. Both coils of the valeo and the Yanmar solenoid receive power from the panel.

 

Then the tricky wiring starts.

There are 2 red wires going to the positive leg of the Valeo Negative grounding solenoid coil. One operates the solenoid to start the engine, and the other is wired to the stop button for the actuator on the injector pump—WHAT???

 

Ok upon further investigation I found a diode in each wire so that power coming down the start wire would not also stop the engine at the same time, and vice versa. Yes the diodes are good.

Now I am tracing the wires back to the panel and will try to find an intermittent break in the wires or some other problem. That’s tomorrows problem to solve.

I have been told that some of the yanmar wiring is too small to carry the load of the solenoid coils and fail after time.

 

ENGINE SENSORS (SENDERS)

 

With respect to the Sensors on the engine, the Oil, water temperature gauge, and the alternator (12v) have 2 wires each that go to independent VDO gauges mounted next to the “B” Yanmar panel. I know this as a few years ago I got frustrated trying to find the broken temp sender wire in the harness and just ran a new pair of wires directly to the gauges. The red idiot lights , and tach on the panel are Yanmar stock and wired as in the

“B” panel wiring panel drawing.

 

 

THE 24 V ALTERNATOR RED LIGHT

 

I turned the key on my engine B-Type panel and went below and lo and behold the red light was lit.

I never noticed it as I was always above starting the engine.  The little black cube of a solenoid which supposedly controls this light is a 12 volt solenoid. I double checked it. I will trace it down tomorrow as it makes no sense with a 24 volt alternator. Possibly this solenoid is not the one for the red light. I should know soon.

 

Kind of frustrating as I used to be an Electrical Engineer.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: What I found in my wire tracing so far.

 

 

Your alternators (24 and 12v) should be wired separately from the engine ground.  The main engine isolation solenoid is 12V.  The relay which goes to the alternator light must be 24v.

 

Mine wasn't hooked up when the engine was replaced.  I've just been looking at the battery monitor every time I go up and down the steps to confirm that the alternator is charging.  With the old Volvo, it would come on when the engine was first started if the rpms were too low, and would go off once the rpm was raised enough to excite the alternator.

Kent

SM243

Kristy 


On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:58 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am off to the boat now.

My solenoid is 12 volts and doesn’t make sense if the 24 volt alternator is closing a 12 volt solenoid. Inever saw the red light lit on Kimberlite.

 

Also I am still having a heck of a time figuring out how Amel wired my engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

I will check and get back to you...how soon do you need this information?

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:34 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Is the small black relay that is supposed be connected to the red light on your  DC panel 12 or 24 volts?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

Two other ways to label the wire are:

  1. A wire tie with a label built into it like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3MM-4MM-5MM-WHITE-NYLON-CABLE-TIES-ZIP-LABLE-TIES-FOR-FASTENING-CABLES-WIRES-/182176919372?var=&hash=item2a6a972f4c:m:msITU1dozImbHlQxDCEkWww
  2. Or use white shrink wrap on the ends of the wire, then write on the shrink wrap.

I have used both of these. They are each simple and work well. I did not label in French as I believe all of my Amel wires were done at the factory in La Rochelle.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.

 

I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!

 

Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned th at I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.

 

But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The clos er you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 

  • < span id="productTitle" class="a-size-large">Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] year round Caribbean marinas recommendations needed

smnefeli
 

This is our third Hurricane season at the IGY Marina in Saint Lucia. The marina, located in a large lagoon, is not officially an "hurrican hole" but is well protected and safe.
It is not unexpensive, but they really take care of your boat.
You can have a very large slip with two fingers with lines on both sides.
In Le Marin (Martinique) you can have the friendly assistance of the Amel team, but the security is not even near the level of the IGY one.
What we think is the real weak side of Le Marin is that the marina is really too crowded and many of the boats on the moorings could easily go adrift and become a danger: we would not like to be there in case of hurricane force winds.

Daniela e Fernando
s/y Nefeli
Rodney Bay - St. Lucia


On 21 Jul 2016, at 13:03, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Does anyone have recommendations of where in the Caribbean to keep our SM year round? We will check out Martinique. 

Thank you kindly,
Aldo Roldan
Moonshot SM
Princeton, NJ




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

karkauai
 

Your alternators (24 and 12v) should be wired separately from the engine ground.  The main engine isolation solenoid is 12V.  The relay which goes to the alternator light must be 24v.

Mine wasn't hooked up when the engine was replaced.  I've just been looking at the battery monitor every time I go up and down the steps to confirm that the alternator is charging.  With the old Volvo, it would come on when the engine was first started if the rpms were too low, and would go off once the rpm was raised enough to excite the alternator.
Kent
SM243
Kristy 


On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:58 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am off to the boat now.

My solenoid is 12 volts and doesn’t make sense if the 24 volt alternator is closing a 12 volt solenoid. Inever saw the red light lit on Kimberlite.

 

Also I am still having a heck of a time figuring out how Amel wired my engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

I will check and get back to you...how soon do you need this information?

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:34 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Is the small black relay that is supposed be connected to the red light on your  DC panel 12 or 24 volts?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

Two other ways to label the wire are:

  1. A wire tie with a label built into it like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3MM-4MM-5MM-WHITE-NYLON-CABLE-TIES-ZIP-LABLE-TIES-FOR-FASTENING-CABLES-WIRES-/182176919372?var=&hash=item2a6a972f4c:m:msITU1dozImbHlQxDCEkWww
  2. Or use white shrink wrap on the ends of the wire, then write on the shrink wrap.

I have used both of these. They are each simple and work well. I did not label in French as I believe all of my Amel wires were done at the factory in La Rochelle.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.

 

I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!

 

Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned th at I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.

 

But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The clos er you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 

  • < span id="productTitle" class="a-size-large">Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

karkauai
 

Yes, Eric, they are all isolated ground senders.
I'm not sure why the oil pressure alarm goes through the relay, since the oil pressure gauge, temp alarm, and temp gauge all come directly from battery negative.

This is what Amel sent me for the isolation of the 110 HP Yannar 4JH4HTE.  I guess it's a little different for your 100 HP Yanmar.

What is the issue you are trying to resolve?
Kent


On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Kent,

Unfortunately your diagram is not how my engine is wired,

Are all the senders on your engine 2 wire senders?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

Bill / Eric,

I posted it in the files section along with sim pics from Amel showing some of the connections.  The file is named Kit Isolation Yanmar.  I just noticed that the folder I created is empty, and that there are two files of the same name farther down the list.  Can anyone tell me how to delete one of the files and put the other one in the folder?

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:52 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, 

 

Did you see Eric's email regarding a relay on the engine, either the fan relay or the relay connected to the 24V alternator?

I am hoping that Amel sent you a wiring diagram with the isolated ground kit, and just maybe it shows this wiring diagram.

 

If so, can you scan it and post it in the Files section?

 

Bill

BeBe 387, but not for long

Trinidad

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:13 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Sorry to hear you are leaving BeBe,

It must be very traumatic..

 

UO few questions .

If the little cube relay a 24 or 12 volt relay.

To what are the wires connected?

 

Secondly have  you or anyone else  in the group followed the 2 red wires that come off the Valeo solenoid ?

One wire stops the engine and the other closes the Valeo Solenoid to connect the Battery negative to the engine block,

I have a problem with the wire that closes the ground circuit to connect it to the block. It is a real bear to trace the wire all the way to the engine panel.

 

I am getting annoyed trying to trace these wires and find the open in the circuit.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

-,

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:35 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:18 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

To what relay is this thread referring ?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners @yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

 

Regardless the relay is the same.

 

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Neils 

I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347


On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

karkauai
 

Eric,
If you look at the drawing in the files section, you will see the large solenoid (relais de puissance) between the engine block and the 12v battery negative.  A command relay receives power from the positive starter pole and distributes it to the solenoid, the diodes, and the oil pressure alarm and gauge.  (There should also be three diodes in the negative wires for 1. The starter (demarreur)  2. The glow plugs (pre-chauffage) and  3. The stop relay (relais de stop)
The temperature alarm and gauge come straight from the solenoid.

What problem are you trying to sort out?

Kent (Patch)
SM 243
Kristy




On Jul 25, 2016, at 1:58 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am off to the boat now.

My solenoid is 12 volts and doesn’t make sense if the 24 volt alternator is closing a 12 volt solenoid. Inever saw the red light lit on Kimberlite.

 

Also I am still having a heck of a time figuring out how Amel wired my engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

I will check and get back to you...how soon do you need this information?

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:34 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Is the small black relay that is supposed be connected to the red light on your  DC panel 12 or 24 volts?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

Two other ways to label the wire are:

  1. A wire tie with a label built into it like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3MM-4MM-5MM-WHITE-NYLON-CABLE-TIES-ZIP-LABLE-TIES-FOR-FASTENING-CABLES-WIRES-/182176919372?var=&hash=item2a6a972f4c:m:msITU1dozImbHlQxDCEkWww
  2. Or use white shrink wrap on the ends of the wire, then write on the shrink wrap.

I have used both of these. They are each simple and work well. I did not label in French as I believe all of my Amel wires were done at the factory in La Rochelle.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.

 

I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!

 

Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned th at I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.

 

But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The clos er you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 

  • < span id="productTitle" class="a-size-large">Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

BeBe's are all 2 wire sensors. I think they have to be to have an isolated ground

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Kent,

Unfortunately your diagram is not how my engine is wired,

Are all the senders on your engine 2 wire senders?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

Bill / Eric,

I posted it in the files section along with sim pics from Amel showing some of the connections.  The file is named Kit Isolation Yanmar.  I just noticed that the folder I created is empty, and that there are two files of the same name farther down the list.  Can anyone tell me how to delete one of the files and put the other one in the folder?

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:52 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, 

 

Did you see Eric's email regarding a relay on the engine, either the fan relay or the relay connected to the 24V alternator?

I am hoping that Amel sent you a wiring diagram with the isolated ground kit, and just maybe it show s this wiring diagram.

 

If so, can you scan it and post it in the Files section?

 

Bill

BeBe 387, but not for long

Trinidad

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:13 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Sorry to hear you are leaving BeBe,

It must be very traumatic..

 

UO few questions .

If the little cube relay a 24 or 12 volt relay.

To what are the wires connected?

 

Secondly have  you or anyone else  in the group followed the 2 red wires that come off the Valeo solenoid ?

One wire stops the engine and the other closes the Valeo Solenoid to connect the Battery negative to the engine block,

I have a problem with the wire that closes the ground circuit to connect it to the block. It is a real bear to trace the wire all the way to the engine panel.

 

I am getting annoyed trying to trace these wires and find the open in the circuit.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

-,

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:35 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:18 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

To what relay is this thread referring ?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners @yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

 

Regardless the relay is the same.

 

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

 

Bill< /p>

BeBe 387

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Neils 

I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347


On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to b e the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437

 

 

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

eric freedman
 

I am off to the boat now.

My solenoid is 12 volts and doesn’t make sense if the 24 volt alternator is closing a 12 volt solenoid. Inever saw the red light lit on Kimberlite.

 

Also I am still having a heck of a time figuring out how Amel wired my engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

I will check and get back to you...how soon do you need this information?

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:34 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Is the small black relay that is supposed be connected to the red light on your  DC panel 12 or 24 volts?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

Two other ways to label the wire are:

  1. A wire tie with a label built into it like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3MM-4MM-5MM-WHITE-NYLON-CABLE-TIES-ZIP-LABLE-TIES-FOR-FASTENING-CABLES-WIRES-/182176919372?var=&hash=item2a6a972f4c:m:msITU1dozImbHlQxDCEkWww
  2. Or use white shrink wrap on the ends of the wire, then write on the shrink wrap.

I have used both of these. They are each simple and work well. I did not label in French as I believe all of my Amel wires were done at the factory in La Rochelle.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.

 

I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!

 

Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned th at I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.

 

But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The clos er you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 

  • < span id="productTitle" class="a-size-large">Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

eric freedman
 

Dear Kent,

Unfortunately your diagram is not how my engine is wired,

Are all the senders on your engine 2 wire senders?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

Bill / Eric,

I posted it in the files section along with sim pics from Amel showing some of the connections.  The file is named Kit Isolation Yanmar.  I just noticed that the folder I created is empty, and that there are two files of the same name farther down the list.  Can anyone tell me how to delete one of the files and put the other one in the folder?

 

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:52 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, 

 

Did you see Eric's email regarding a relay on the engine, either the fan relay or the relay connected to the 24V alternator?

I am hoping that Amel sent you a wiring diagram with the isolated ground kit, and just maybe it shows this wiring diagram.

 

If so, can you scan it and post it in the Files section?

 

Bill

BeBe 387, but not for long

Trinidad

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:13 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill,

Sorry to hear you are leaving BeBe,

It must be very traumatic..

 

UO few questions .

If the little cube relay a 24 or 12 volt relay.

To what are the wires connected?

 

Secondly have  you or anyone else  in the group followed the 2 red wires that come off the Valeo solenoid ?

One wire stops the engine and the other closes the Valeo Solenoid to connect the Battery negative to the engine block,

I have a problem with the wire that closes the ground circuit to connect it to the block. It is a real bear to trace the wire all the way to the engine panel.

 

I am getting annoyed trying to trace these wires and find the open in the circuit.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

-,

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:35 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:18 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

To what relay is this thread referring ?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners @yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

 

Regardless the relay is the same.

 

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Neils 

I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347


On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I will check and get back to you...how soon do you need this information?

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:34 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

Is the small black relay that is supposed be connected to the red light on your  DC panel 12 or 24 volts?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

Two other ways to label the wire are:

  1. A wire tie with a label built into it like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3MM-4MM-5MM-WHITE-NYLON-CABLE-TIES-ZIP-LABLE-TIES-FOR-FASTENING-CABLES-WIRES-/182176919372?var=&hash=item2a6a972f4c:m:msITU1dozImbHlQxDCEkWww
  2. Or use white shrink wrap on the ends of the wire, then write on the shrink wrap.

I have used both of these. They are each simple and work well. I did not label in French as I believe all of my Amel wires were done at the factory in La Rochelle.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.

 

I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!

 

Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned th at I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.

 

But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The clos er you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 

  • < span id="productTitle" class="a-size-large">Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

eric freedman
 

Bill,

Is the small black relay that is supposed be connected to the red light on your  DC panel 12 or 24 volts?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

 

 

Two other ways to label the wire are:

  1. A wire tie with a label built into it like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3MM-4MM-5MM-WHITE-NYLON-CABLE-TIES-ZIP-LABLE-TIES-FOR-FASTENING-CABLES-WIRES-/182176919372?var=&hash=item2a6a972f4c:m:msITU1dozImbHlQxDCEkWww
  2. Or use white shrink wrap on the ends of the wire, then write on the shrink wrap.

I have used both of these. They are each simple and work well. I did not label in French as I believe all of my Amel wires were done at the factory in La Rochelle.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.

 

I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!

 

Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned th at I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.

 

But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The clos er you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 

  • < span id="productTitle" class="a-size-large">Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels


Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

I had to laugh. I am laughing because all of the places that I have been in the world, my choices are limited to what is available. 

In Trinidad, and I believe the entire Caribbean there was only one choice with the correct size and the correct thread...it is not NPT, it is "European Thread" or BSPT (British Standard Pipe Thread). And, with the help of Gary Silver (SM Owner), I found a valve in only one store, Budget Marine. The Budget Marine part number is SUA/408-1-1/4t It is a BSPT Marine Brass valve.

Additionally, I am certainly no expert on these valves, but I will pass on two things that I have learned:
  1. If you do not use them once a week they will get stuck, and you may never unstick them
  2. You should grease them on each haulout. It is easy. With the valve closed insert the hose on your grease gun into the outlet. It will hit the valve in about 6". Squeeze some waterproof grease on the valve ball, then have someone open the valve and push in about another 1 1/4" and squeeze some more grease. Work the handle back and forth 10-20 times, then repeat the above one more time. 
  3. If you have to change one, it is not too difficult. It will take about 4 hours. Download this: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1980087538/lightbox/956971003?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/956971003

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:27 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


Both of mine need replacinng.  The forward head is frozen in place.

What is your opinion of the Marelon valves?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wire tracing.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Two other ways to label the wire are:
  1. A wire tie with a label built into it like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3MM-4MM-5MM-WHITE-NYLON-CABLE-TIES-ZIP-LABLE-TIES-FOR-FASTENING-CABLES-WIRES-/182176919372?var=&hash=item2a6a972f4c:m:msITU1dozImbHlQxDCEkWww
  2. Or use white shrink wrap on the ends of the wire, then write on the shrink wrap.
I have used both of these. They are each simple and work well. I did not label in French as I believe all of my Amel wires were done at the factory in La Rochelle.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad



On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.


I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!


Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned th at I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.


But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The clos er you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 
  • < span id="productTitle" class="a-size-large">Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Marelon is the best way to go long term. I know it's not AMEL but still a good way. Second be sure you get the correct thread it is NOT standard American pipe. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jul 25, 2016, at 12:27, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,


Both of mine need replacinng.  The forward head is frozen in place.

What is your opinion of the Marelon valves?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Wire tracing.

greatketch@...
 

Tracing wires on my Amel SM is a real nightmare.  Ten blue wires go into a conduit, 10 come out and not one has a label on either end.  You try tugging on the wire you are interested in, and you find the whole bundle is clamped together somewhere along the run, so they all move!  It seems the builders had such confidence in their work they couldn't imagine anyone ever needing to repair anything! Previous owners were no better.  Very little they did was labeled or documented either.


I learned (the hard way) a long time ago when working on boats to ALWAYS label ALL wires. If you do your own work, make the effort.  If you pay someone to do your wiring, make labeling a condition of the contract. If your boat is well labeled, you will pay less to have work done on it in the future!


Even if I am sure I will remember what a wire does, I have learned that I will forget.  In the ideal world, every wire and every hose would be labeled in every compartment it is exposed in.  I wish I could say I do that all the time, but it is a goal!  Working on a wire that you labeled clearly and helpfully will give you a warm and happy feeling.


But how do you trace them in the first place? You get a "wire tracer/tone generator".  They range from US$25 to US$100 or more. Here is an example:  

  • Sperry Instruments ET64220 Tracker-Tracer.

Amazon carries a wide variety of these.  For most purposes on a boat, you can get by with an inexpensive one without a lot of the fancy network options.  You clip the tone generator to one end of the wire, which sends an electronic tone down the wire.  A handheld receiver makes the tone audible anywhere along the wire.  The closer you are to the right wire, the louder the tone.  It's a great help.   Much better than tugging on one end and hoping to feel which wire wiggles on the other.  They don't work everywhere, all the time, but they make the job a whole lot easier.  I wish I had learned about these tools long before I did!


Now, once you trace a wire... label it--right now!!!!  Even if it is not the wire you are going to be working on that day. If you know what the wire does, you can put a descriptive label on it.  If you do not know what the wire is for, and you figure out where it goes, label each end with a number.  It will help the future you!

In fact, tracing wires and labeling them is a great rainy day project! And if you are looking for the best wire labels, I want to know if you find any better than these: 
  • Hellermann Tyton RO514 Rite-On Self-Laminating Labels

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
"Ships and men rot in port"
Highlands, NJ
http://fetchinketch.net



Re: Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

Both of mine need replacinng.  The forward head is frozen in place.

What is your opinion of the Marelon valves?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: BeBe Amel Super Maramu 2003 Model #387

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Bill and Judy
Thank you for giving so much to this community and to us personally too. You have set such a fine example and have certainly added a huge amount of value to the Amel Brand itself in our opinion. The company has been most fortunate to have a couple such as yourselves purchase one of their fine yachts as you have been such a strong advocate for a product that you trust and believe in. You will truly be missed but we do hope that January is not the last we hear from you within this community where you have honorary status in our humble opinion. Many people have actually purchased Amels thanks to your input and faith in the product, and a number of these persons will go on to purchase new models from the company in years to come. That can only be good for us all. Well done and thank you!
Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel #332
Brisbane

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:01 PM, David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill & Judy,

Although we've not met, a huge vote of thanks for all the info and assistance you have offer to ourselves as we have been researching and prepping to enter the AMEL community as owners.  Your commitment, time, energy, enthusiasm for all things AMEL, a true devotee, is both awe-inspiring and more than a little bit intimidating.  Your contributions to the community can not be underestimated, and you will be sorely missed.

Leanne & I wish you all the very best as you enjoy your final days afloat, and then swallow the pick to move towards a new life ashore. 

With best regards,

David & Leanne Vogel





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent & Eric,

If you go to the Files section and search on "kit" you will get the following result:

3 results from files in amelyachtowners
  • karkauai Apr 1, 2015
  • Schematic and photos from Amel that show how to electrically isolate the Yanmar 4JH4HTE. It requires making your own new wiring harness, isolated ground switches and senders for oil...
    karkauai Jun 27, 2015
Note that they are named differently with a "_" added to the front of one file.

Bill
BeBe 387


 

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

karkauai
 

Bill / Eric,
I posted it in the files section along with sim pics from Amel showing some of the connections.  The file is named Kit Isolation Yanmar.  I just noticed that the folder I created is empty, and that there are two files of the same name farther down the list.  Can anyone tell me how to delete one of the files and put the other one in the folder?

Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:52 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, 

Did you see Eric's email regarding a relay on the engine, either the fan relay or the relay connected to the 24V alternator?

I am hoping that Amel sent you a wiring diagram with the isolated ground kit, and just maybe it shows this wiring diagram.

If so, can you scan it and post it in the Files section?

Bill
BeBe 387, but not for long
Trinidad

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:13 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Sorry to hear you are leaving BeBe,

It must be very traumatic..

 

UO few questions .

If the little cube relay a 24 or 12 volt relay.

To what are the wires connected?

 

Secondly have  you or anyone else  in the group followed the 2 red wires that come off the Valeo solenoid ?

One wire stops the engine and the other closes the Valeo Solenoid to connect the Battery negative to the engine block,

I have a problem with the wire that closes the ground circuit to connect it to the block. It is a real bear to trace the wire all the way to the engine panel.

 

I am getting annoyed trying to trace these wires and find the open in the circuit.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 7:35 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:18 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

To what relay is this thread referring ?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners @yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

 

 

Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

 

Regardless the relay is the same.

 

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Neils 

I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 



Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347


On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437