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Re: SSB Ground

 

Heinz,

I believe most of that area in an SM is a false floor that is glassed in above the actual hull.

Bill
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:00 PM heinz@... <heinz@...> wrote:
I was suggested by an expert to line the entire floor of the stern locker with copper foil and then solder it to the ground of the antenna

Fair Winds HEINZ 
Quetzal, Sm 2000, 292

Am 30.01.2020 um 20:06 schrieb Daniel Frey <Daniel.m.frey@...>:



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On my boat 90% of Electric and electronic Problems are Connection Problems. This also applies to the SSB radio installation. I would check all the connections from start to end for corrosion and weak contacts.

And remember: the antenna starts with the wire from the tuner to the whip antenna (or isolated stag): no contact or approximity to other wires.

If not done already, check the SWR (stand wave ratio) of Your installation with an appropriate device. It gives you a hint of how much of the radios Energy that should go out is reflected.


Re: SSB Ground

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

I was suggested by an expert to line the entire floor of the stern locker with copper foil and then solder it to the ground of the antenna

Fair Winds HEINZ 
Quetzal, Sm 2000, 292

Am 30.01.2020 um 20:06 schrieb Daniel Frey <Daniel.m.frey@...>:



[Edited Message Follows]

On my boat 90% of Electric and electronic Problems are Connection Problems. This also applies to the SSB radio installation. I would check all the connections from start to end for corrosion and weak contacts.

And remember: the antenna starts with the wire from the tuner to the whip antenna (or isolated stag): no contact or approximity to other wires.

If not done already, check the SWR (stand wave ratio) of Your installation with an appropriate device. It gives you a hint of how much of the radios Energy that should go out is reflected.

Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Bill,

nothing to add so far. That's just a perfect information.

Olivier

Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He all when the flap is not in stock by Amel , maybe you find it here 

Best 
Elja 
SY Balu 
SM 222

https://www.segelladen.de/Inhalt-untergruppen17/spiegeldurchfuehrung.htm

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Re: SSB Ground

Daniel Frey
 
Edited

On my boat 90% of Electric and electronic Problems are Connection Problems. This also applies to the SSB radio installation. I would check all the connections from start to end for corrosion and weak contacts.

And remember: the antenna starts with the wire from the tuner to the whip antenna (or isolated stag): no contact or approximity to other wires.

If not done already, check the SWR (stand wave ratio) of Your installation with an appropriate device. It gives you a hint of how much of the radios Energy that should go out is reflected.

If Nothing helps, open the tuner and check whether everything is ok or there are signs of Burning.

Re: SSB Ground

Herbert Lackner
 

to be more specific:  Your ground is the sea. So you need a good electrical (HF - high frequency connection) to sea-water. This is done by your dynaplate. If you connect your bonding system you will make your HF connection to the sea better, but you will probably connect Battery (-) via the tuner to the bonding system, this is what you do not want. But you can do that, if you make sure that there is only a HF connection from tuner to the bonding system, this can be done by making the connection using capacitors. They will block any DC connection but will allow HF. This is the typical installation on steel hull boats.

If you glue copper foil to your bottom you are building big capacitors (foil - grp - water) that also allow HF running through it. Just adding metal (like your tank) without connection to the water does not really help...

herbert, SN120

Re: SSB Ground

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Joerg,

in my opinion there should be no need of adding additional ground, make sure that the connections are clean, no corrosion on any contacts, from tranceiver to tuner to antenna!, and also check the ground connections for contact / corrosion. Also check the dynaplate if it is clean and not painted...  Transmitting problems are very often connection problems on the path to the antenna (antenna - tuner connection...)

If you decide to add anything else to your ground system that is connected to the bonding system (and this is the only thing that will make your ground better, or - of course - copper foil) then make sure that you put capacitors between tuner and bonding so that there is no DC connection between your tuners ground and the bonding so that only HF can pass.

Kali Mera has no dynaplate, I use the bonding as HF ground, but separate it with capacitors so that omly HF can pass it, that works fine and does not change the Amel bonding philosophy. Bills idea is also good, but it might be a too small area for effective grounding.

herbert, SN120

Re: Steyr motor turbocharger complete

ngtnewington Newington
 

On Amelia we have the  Volvo Penta D3 110. 

In the Volvo manual that came with the boat, in it’s  original Amel folder, there was a note to say that as a matter of maintenance one should spray  lubricant like WD40, onto the actuator lever on the turbo and work it as it has a tendency to seize.

This is something that I regularly do.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Kilada Greece.

On 30 Jan 2020, at 16:58, Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> wrote:

Thank you Mark


Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037



No dia 30/01/2020, às 17:38, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> escreveu:


Sorry I have not responded sooner, have been off the boat without internet for a bit.  On the Volvo D3 – 110 you can see the round vacuum actuator attached to a rod that leads up to an eccentric or cam on the turbo.  Although Volvo calls this a variable geometry actuator, fancy terminology for a way to change the angle of the blades to change the amount of boost pressure as engine load changes.  Mine was sticking and giving an engine error code.  Virtually every company I talked with said the turbo had to be rebuilt.  I found a very helpful Volvo dealership that sent me the attached service bulletin.  I sprayed the actuator and eccentric then worked both back and forth with a screwdriver to free it up, my problem was solved.  This may be the issue you are having. 

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Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54
<D3 Turbo Actuator Service, 29-0-002A.pdf>

Re: Steyr motor turbocharger complete

Jose Alegria
 

Thank you Mark


Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037
Josealegr@...



No dia 30/01/2020, às 17:38, Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> escreveu:



Sorry I have not responded sooner, have been off the boat without internet for a bit.  On the Volvo D3 – 110 you can see the round vacuum actuator attached to a rod that leads up to an eccentric or cam on the turbo.  Although Volvo calls this a variable geometry actuator, fancy terminology for a way to change the angle of the blades to change the amount of boost pressure as engine load changes.  Mine was sticking and giving an engine error code.  Virtually every company I talked with said the turbo had to be rebuilt.  I found a very helpful Volvo dealership that sent me the attached service bulletin.  I sprayed the actuator and eccentric then worked both back and forth with a screwdriver to free it up, my problem was solved.  This may be the issue you are having. 


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54
<D3 Turbo Actuator Service, 29-0-002A.pdf>

Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

To try and mitigate this problem a 12 V normally open (NO) valve could be connected to the muffler drain.  12 V power can be obtained from a ship’s system such as the engine exhaust fan that only operates when the engine is running.  When the engine runs and the valve is energized, it will close blocking the drain line and keeping the engine exhaust contained; with the engine off and power removed the valve would return to its NO position and allow any water in the muffler or any water that subsequently enters the muffler to drain to the bilge.  Ahead of the solenoid valve I would install a manual ball valve as a backup in case the solenoid fails and not knowing what kind of contaminants are in the muffler consider installing a small filter.

 

I ran this idea by another forum member that is very knowledgeable about all things Amel.  His comment was “Do you think your idea is childproof?”.  It is not completely childproof since it is an active system however it is a way to mitigate the problem and I believe follows the KISS principle.  Additionally, it would be relatively inexpensive to implement while providing an alternative safeguard for the very expensive engine repair.


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Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: SSB Ground

 

Joerg,

I am no SSB expert. Sometimes I think there is as much art to "fine-tuning" an SSB system as there is science. Maybe you need advice from one of those "artists."

You want to be careful in connecting anything that is connected to the bonding system and I believe your fuel tank is bonded. If so, connecting to it will connect you to everything that is bonded. Several SSB experts that I know suggest using resin to attach copper foil to the inside of the hull below the waterline to increase the ground area. Check the area I shaded which is inside your watertight steering compartment. I believe this is the actual hull rather than a false bottom. This area should be close enough to your Tuner to connect. Maybe covering this area with copper foil will give you a better ground. 
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:59 AM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On my boat, I have the Amel provided SSB installation with the whip antenna and 2 dynaplates on the skeg as ground.  I've participated in the MedNet a bit over the last couple of years and have noticed that I often can hear boats yet they cannot hear me or can hear only a weak signal.  More often then not, my transmission seems to come in weak.  I have spoken to a number of SSB experts in the last couple of years and made some modifications to the installation which have been somewhat successful.  I still think that I my SSB creates a weaker signal than most others.  I've now spoken to another expert here on the US West Coast who suggests to increase the amount of ground the boat has by connecting more metal inside the boat to the ground system.  I'm thinking of connecting the fuel tank to the SSB ground, for example.  The connection would be by 7 cm wide copper tape - so it's not an easy thing to do as the fuel tank and the Antenna tuner are separated by a watertight bulkhead.  Has anyone done this or done something else that has helped?  

Many thanks for any advice!  Cheers Joerg

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53, Kincsem


Re: Steyr motor turbocharger complete

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Sorry I have not responded sooner, have been off the boat without internet for a bit.  On the Volvo D3 – 110 you can see the round vacuum actuator attached to a rod that leads up to an eccentric or cam on the turbo.  Although Volvo calls this a variable geometry actuator, fancy terminology for a way to change the angle of the blades to change the amount of boost pressure as engine load changes.  Mine was sticking and giving an engine error code.  Virtually every company I talked with said the turbo had to be rebuilt.  I found a very helpful Volvo dealership that sent me the attached service bulletin.  I sprayed the actuator and eccentric then worked both back and forth with a screwdriver to free it up, my problem was solved.  This may be the issue you are having. 


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

 

Thanks, Olivier!

I took your photo and added it to the other photos I had. I hope that together these photos help others understand the exhaust system after SM #100. Corrective or Additional comments are welcome. The following is available in PDF and JPG format.
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:24 PM Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Mike,

your SM 23 did not have the rubber flap mounted on a stainless steel cylinder box.
This system came later probably around hull 100.
If your system has not been modified since original, your exhaust through hull system is just a GRP tube bonded to the hull, where the exhaust hose is glued into with silicone filler.

The rubber flap system has been installed on SMs (since hull 100) and on AMEL 54, 55, 64, 50 and 60 (not Santorins).

The plastic mufflers have been installed on SMs with Yanmar engines, all the Perkins and Volvo engines have (originally) stainless steel mufflers.

Mike, if you want to install the rubber flap system, you need to make sure the GRP through hull tube is the same diameter as the bigger diameter of the stainless steel cylinder.

Hope the attached picture will help and show those who have never seen this part (although they have it).

Olivier


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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
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SSB Ground

Joerg Esdorn
 

On my boat, I have the Amel provided SSB installation with the whip antenna and 2 dynaplates on the skeg as ground.  I've participated in the MedNet a bit over the last couple of years and have noticed that I often can hear boats yet they cannot hear me or can hear only a weak signal.  More often then not, my transmission seems to come in weak.  I have spoken to a number of SSB experts in the last couple of years and made some modifications to the installation which have been somewhat successful.  I still think that I my SSB creates a weaker signal than most others.  I've now spoken to another expert here on the US West Coast who suggests to increase the amount of ground the boat has by connecting more metal inside the boat to the ground system.  I'm thinking of connecting the fuel tank to the SSB ground, for example.  The connection would be by 7 cm wide copper tape - so it's not an easy thing to do as the fuel tank and the Antenna tuner are separated by a watertight bulkhead.  Has anyone done this or done something else that has helped?  

Many thanks for any advice!  Cheers Joerg

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53, Kincsem

Re: Steyr motor turbocharger complete

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mike,

I wont be on the boat for a few days but next time out I will check. I just bought the product at an auto supply shop. I was strongly warned by a Volvo agent (who could not help wit the problem) not to spray it into the turbo but that is not difficult as the waste gate shaft is external. However what the product does is remove wax like build up that occurs over time in petrol carburetors and I cant see that harming a turbo. However I keep it out in case. Because it was so spectacularly successful in freeing my waste gate I would suspect we are dealing with a similar build up. It is the only product I have found that works.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl 

On 30 January 2020 at 15:26 "Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)" <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

Do you know who manufactures and/or supplies the carbo clean product you use? I've found quite a variety online.

Thanks,
Mike
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ

Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Merci for this Olivier,

I hope Amel have stocks of them because I suspect there may be a run on them.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 30 January 2020 at 16:22 "Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io" <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Mike,

your SM 23 did not have the rubber flap mounted on a stainless steel cylinder box.
This system came later probably around hull 100.
If your system has not been modified since original, your exhaust through hull system is just a GRP tube bonded to the hull, where the exhaust hose is glued into with silicone filler.

The rubber flap system has been installed on SMs (since hull 100) and on AMEL 54, 55, 64, 50 and 60 (not Santorins).

The plastic mufflers have been installed on SMs with Yanmar engines, all the Perkins and Volvo engines have (originally) stainless steel mufflers.

Mike, if you want to install the rubber flap system, you need to make sure the GRP through hull tube is the same diameter as the bigger diameter of the stainless steel cylinder.

Hope the attached picture will help and show those who have never seen this part (although they have it).

Olivier


 


 

Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Thank you so much! This makes a lot of sense now... quite a bit different than what I was picturing.

I believe I have a 4" (101.6mm) hose fitted on the hull. Does anyone know the bigger diameter of the Amel flap box (yellow arrow in Olivier's photo)?

I think this will do wonders in keeping the ocean out.

Many thanks,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ

Re: New companionway lock source

David Wallace
 

Keep checking around. I had two copies made at a little locksmith stall on the street in Loreto, Baja Sur, Mexico, so you never know...


On Jan 29, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 04:48 PM, Nicolas Klene wrote:
HI Arlo
 with the pictures and the référence I will try to inquire here in France and come back to you .


nick
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille

 Thanks Nick!

Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Mike,

your SM 23 did not have the rubber flap mounted on a stainless steel cylinder box.
This system came later probably around hull 100.
If your system has not been modified since original, your exhaust through hull system is just a GRP tube bonded to the hull, where the exhaust hose is glued into with silicone filler.

The rubber flap system has been installed on SMs (since hull 100) and on AMEL 54, 55, 64, 50 and 60 (not Santorins).

The plastic mufflers have been installed on SMs with Yanmar engines, all the Perkins and Volvo engines have (originally) stainless steel mufflers.

Mike, if you want to install the rubber flap system, you need to make sure the GRP through hull tube is the same diameter as the bigger diameter of the stainless steel cylinder.

Hope the attached picture will help and show those who have never seen this part (although they have it).

Olivier

Re: Steyr motor turbocharger complete

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi Danny,

Do you know who manufactures and/or supplies the carbo clean product you use? I've found quite a variety online.

Thanks,
Mike
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ