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Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

william reynolds
 

Insurance
My insurance broker recently  informed me that  they would no longer cover any sailing vessels in the Caribbean, After much discussion with other cruisers and soliciting  bids for coverage I could not find  acceptable coverage. I was in Grenada at the time and another cruiser had just gotten coverage from a little known company there.
The company is Netherlands Ins. Ltd. Based in Grenada with offices in the Netherlands. They don't advertise much but do have an ad in the Caribbean Compass. They have only recently started covering cruising boats and don't have the history of massive hurricane losses. Their main business is large cargo vessels. They are the insurers (carriers) not a broker.'
They are slightly more expensive BUT some of the good points are - No depreciation when replacing or repairing, they cover all arbitration and legal fees in damage matters, they cover lighting strike damage, their deductable is 2% for normal damage and 4% for named storm damage and the real kicker is your cruising limits are worldwide! No limits during named storm season. Contact me if you want more details of my coverage.
Bill Reynolds
S/V Cloudstreet SM2K 331


Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

JB Duler
 

Rick, the subject of insurance is back on the table. A small group is looking into it (Teun BAAS, Kent Robertson, Ken Powers, Brent Cameron, David Kurtz, David Vogel and myself).

We recently had a brainstorming session, have drafted a survey that hopefully will be out soon after several comments.

We will keep you posted.




--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Watermaker #photo-notice

Matt Salatino
 

I believe mineral oil can be used.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Susan Commarato via groups.io <sueisnuts@...> wrote:

Can anyone tell me what type of oil is in the high pressure gauge of the watermaker? It’s a Watermaker HR BY4. I’m  on a friends boat and he has a leak. 
S/V Rochelle
2007 Amel54
Thanks 
Susan 


Re: Watermaker #photo-notice

Arno Luijten
 

Hi, I had the very same problem. I bought some special oil that goes into these gauges. I found the cap on the top of the gauge parished. So I put some tape over it, but it kept loosing oil so I gave up on it and bought a new one.
Be aware that once you start taking the panel apart to replace the gauge you will most likely find more parts that need replacement also because of the taking apart.

This is the oil I used:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D0HVY8W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

Mark Erdos
 

I’ll send a PM

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 4:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

 

Hi Mark, can you share with us your premium as a % of insured value.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 15 February 2021 at 14:44 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I just re-upped with Topsail. It was Y-Yacht policy and then was purchased last year by Topsail. They honored the OCC (Ocean Cruising Club) discount and we have a good policy with cyclone coverage in the South Pacific if we remain at Tahiti or east of 150 during the cyclone season. The underwriter changed but the policy is still underwritten by an A+ company per by Ambest.

 

During the time I was waiting for the new policy, I checked with The Marine Shop Ltd. In New Zealand bases on a neighbors recommendation. The offering they sent me was identical to the policy offered by Topsail with the same underwriter. They were willing to allow a change even though the last survey of our vessel is very old.

 

If you are unfamiliar with Topsail (UK), they are the go to insurance company for OCC members. The Marine Shop also has a good reputation among the cruising crowd.

 

My rate went down considerably since we will be only in French Polynesia this next period.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Stanley
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

 

I was curious is there was any updates ragarding the AMEL group insurance initiative discussed during one of the ZOOM meetings several months ago. Any headway on that issue at all?

Thanks,

Rick & Meadow

 

 


 


 


Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark, can you share with us your premium as a % of insured value.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 15 February 2021 at 14:44 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I just re-upped with Topsail. It was Y-Yacht policy and then was purchased last year by Topsail. They honored the OCC (Ocean Cruising Club) discount and we have a good policy with cyclone coverage in the South Pacific if we remain at Tahiti or east of 150 during the cyclone season. The underwriter changed but the policy is still underwritten by an A+ company per by Ambest.

 

During the time I was waiting for the new policy, I checked with The Marine Shop Ltd. In New Zealand bases on a neighbors recommendation. The offering they sent me was identical to the policy offered by Topsail with the same underwriter. They were willing to allow a change even though the last survey of our vessel is very old.

 

If you are unfamiliar with Topsail (UK), they are the go to insurance company for OCC members. The Marine Shop also has a good reputation among the cruising crowd.

 

My rate went down considerably since we will be only in French Polynesia this next period.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Stanley
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

 

I was curious is there was any updates ragarding the AMEL group insurance initiative discussed during one of the ZOOM meetings several months ago. Any headway on that issue at all?

Thanks,

Rick & Meadow

 



 


 


Re: Watermaker #photo-notice

michael winand
 

I would think it is glycerine 
Michael  Nebo  sm251 


On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 11:40 am, Susan Commarato via groups.io
<sueisnuts@...> wrote:
Can anyone tell me what type of oil is in the high pressure gauge of the watermaker? It’s a Watermaker HR BY4. I’m  on a friends boat and he has a leak. 
S/V Rochelle
2007 Amel54
Thanks 
Susan 


Watermaker #photo-notice

Susan Commarato
 

Can anyone tell me what type of oil is in the high pressure gauge of the watermaker? It’s a Watermaker HR BY4. I’m  on a friends boat and he has a leak. 
S/V Rochelle
2007 Amel54
Thanks 
Susan 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

There are a number of things that can cause galvanic corrosion. Typically a poor grounding system in the marina can be a cause. But there can also be a DC component on the AC power. That is exceptional though.

Amels bonding system is connected to the shore power earth wire via the A/C systems and the watermaker 230V motor so there is that.
There are quite a few marinas that use these steel plates at one more sides of the marina. Quite often these are protected with a galvanic potential to save them from corrosion. This can lead to problems on a boat. I’m not so sure if the threshold voltage of the Victron device will offer enough protection. Also there can be boats next to you with poorly designed shore power systems. Again, I’m not sure if the threshold voltage is sufficient.

So in short, I don’t know if the Victron device will provide enough protection. It may be a good solution for some cases. For sure it is much cheaper and easier to install.
When I read about the device I was not convinced and because of that I did go for the full separation of the shore power. Also because the shore power in this marina is a mess. We are most of the time in this marina as we are residents of St Maarten.
Maybe just for fun I should measure the difference between the shore power earth and the boat’s earth.

To the lazarette: Ours was leaking badly as well, but this was because of the poorly fitted twistlocks as well as worn out O-rings inside the twist locks. Another cause was the pot where the middle stanchion normally resides. Amel made a poor choice here to simply drill a hole and put the pot in with some bolts and caulking. However the core of the deck at that place is balsa. That and the forces exhibited by the stanchion makes that after a while you will get water ingress. In my case the balsa core was rotting in a ring around the hole. So I removed the wet core for the biggest part. Then I left it drying in the hot sun we have here for a few days. Finally I filled the cavity with epoxy and redrilled the bolt holes. Since then the lazarette is dry, even with extensive green water over deck. 

Regards,
Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

Mark Erdos
 

I just re-upped with Topsail. It was Y-Yacht policy and then was purchased last year by Topsail. They honored the OCC (Ocean Cruising Club) discount and we have a good policy with cyclone coverage in the South Pacific if we remain at Tahiti or east of 150 during the cyclone season. The underwriter changed but the policy is still underwritten by an A+ company per by Ambest.

 

During the time I was waiting for the new policy, I checked with The Marine Shop Ltd. In New Zealand bases on a neighbors recommendation. The offering they sent me was identical to the policy offered by Topsail with the same underwriter. They were willing to allow a change even though the last survey of our vessel is very old.

 

If you are unfamiliar with Topsail (UK), they are the go to insurance company for OCC members. The Marine Shop also has a good reputation among the cruising crowd.

 

My rate went down considerably since we will be only in French Polynesia this next period.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Stanley
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

 

I was curious is there was any updates ragarding the AMEL group insurance initiative discussed during one of the ZOOM meetings several months ago. Any headway on that issue at all?

Thanks,

Rick & Meadow


AMEL Group Insurance -- Update?

Rick Stanley
 

I was curious is there was any updates ragarding the AMEL group insurance initiative discussed during one of the ZOOM meetings several months ago. Any headway on that issue at all?

Thanks,

Rick & Meadow


Re: BILGE WATER PUMP #replacement

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Giovanni,

Another option you may consider is the TF Marine bilge pump we purchased from TF Marine in May last year. TF Marine has now been taken over by Gianeschi.

I have attached photos of the pump. 

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey

On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 1:01 pm, Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:

Hi Alan,
may I have please a photo of the position/installation connections ?
many thanks
Cheers
Giovanni Testa
sv Eutikia SM 428

Il 13/02/2021 23:33, Alan Leslie ha scritto:
Hi Victor,

Our AMFA pump fell to bits years ago
I replaced it with a Johnson Viking 32 pump


The pumps and spare parts are available everywhere.
It is a very good pump.

Cheers

Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: BILGE WATER PUMP #replacement

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Giovanni
Sorry, I can’t find any photos of the installation.

I’ll keep looking.

But basically the mounting holes are not the same as the AMFA pump, so I used a nylon chopping board like you have in the galley.

Drilled holes to match the AMFA mounts and holes to match the Viking mounts.

Bolted the Viking pump to the board and then mounted the whole thing on the AMFA mounts and bolted it up.

Simple.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: How to clean the bilge

Jose Alegria
 

IMG_5591.jpeg
My way:
Two bilge pump ready to work


José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37




On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 at 20:41, Jose Alegria via groups.io <Josealegr=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Victor

My way is.
Empty,  completely the bildge ( manually  )
Turn off the bilge pump switch
Then dilute the 2 dishwashing tablets inside the sink with hot water, plenty 20-25 literes
Open the sink
Put more 50 liters  of hot water
Wait 1/2 hour
The turn on the bilge pump switch

15/15 days, Ok ?

By the way my second bilge pump is a

Johnson Viking Power 24 V pump


NAV_9020____1.jpg

Greetings

José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37



How to clean the bilge

Jose Alegria
 

Victor

My way is.
Empty,  completely the bildge ( manually  )
Turn off the bilge pump switch
Then dilute the 2 dishwashing tablets inside the sink with hot water, plenty 20-25 literes
Open the sink
Put more 50 liters  of hot water
Wait 1/2 hour
The turn on the bilge pump switch

15/15 days, Ok ?

By the way my second bilge pump is a

Johnson Viking Power 24 V pump


NAV_9020____1.jpg

Greetings

José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]

Dominique Sery
 

Scott,
I made it as simple as possible.
As it has to be installed first after shore power socket and before all devices, circuit-breakers...
I installed the galvanic isolator in the aft trunk, port side, near the dock socket, in a waterproof box on the small shelf.
It is thus installed before the residual current circuit breaker and before the transfer switch. 
Note that the unit is "waterproof" IP 67.
It is simply two diodes mounted in opposite directions embedded in the resin. It is not very sensitive to possible humidity.
Very easy and fast to install, there is only the ground wire to be connected.
Dominique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]

Scott SV Tengah
 

Dominique, 

I was looking at that model also. Did you install it in the lazarette in the same place where Arno installed his Mastervolt isolation transformer? 

I was wondering if you could install it in the engine after the lazarette circuit breaker but before it enters the automatic transfer switch (the victron quattro in my case)? It seems far more likely to stay dry in that case. 

If you do as I suggested, it should be isolated from the bonding / ground, no? 

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 17:26 Dominique Sery via groups.io <dominiquesery=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Scott,
I'm in the same situation as you, I rarely go to marinas so I chose to install a Victron galvanic isolator.
It's lighter, smaller, much cheaper and very easy to install.
It works perfectly.
I noticed, in Greece, in some ports a potential difference of 500 mV on the ground between the shore and the boat which seemed enormous to me.
The Victron isolator cuts 600 mVc, which is perfectly in line with my expectations.
My anodes are deteriorating very little since the installation of this insulator 2 years ago.
Sincerely
Dominique
A54#16


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]

Dominique Sery
 

Hello Scott,
I'm in the same situation as you, I rarely go to marinas so I chose to install a Victron galvanic isolator.
It's lighter, smaller, much cheaper and very easy to install.
It works perfectly.
I noticed, in Greece, in some ports a potential difference of 500 mV on the ground between the shore and the boat which seemed enormous to me.
The Victron isolator cuts 600 mVc, which is perfectly in line with my expectations.
My anodes are deteriorating very little since the installation of this insulator 2 years ago.
Sincerely
Dominique
A54#16


Re: BILGE WATER PUMP #replacement

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

As Alan Leslie mentioned the Johnson Viking 32, we have also replaced the original AMFA pump with a Johnson Viking. It is well-built, extremely easy to maintain, has a higher output than the original pump, and a handcrank in case the power or motor fails. I could not find anything wrong with with this pump with the Johnson Viking. I could not find anything wrong with this pump since we have had it installed. 
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on jib furling gearbox? [1 Attachment]

Scott SV Tengah
 

Arno,

No need to apologize - I am happy to get advice from anyone. I agree that the 54s are far too tail heavy as is.

I am looking at getting a galvanic isolator and it seems the device you installed is an isolation transformer? I know the I.T. is superior but given that I plan to spend relatively short periods in marinas, I thought the slightly inferior but far lighter/cheaper galvanic isolator would be sufficient.

Thoughts?

PS - wow your lazarette looks amazingly clean and dry! I think I need to replace the seal on the lid.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 2:58 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Scott,

Sorry to barge into your question to Mohammad.
But just as some addition information for you. I have installed a Galvanic Isolator as well last year because of the poor electrical system here in the marina.
I’ve installed a Mastervolt GI7 that is basically a double GI 3.5 in a single enclosure. This is an isolator based on HF-switching technology making it far less heavy then a conventional one. It works well although I do think Mastervolt missed big time on an opportunity to make it much more clever. Actually the device is not made by Mastervolt but by a Dutch OEM that also produces the Mass line of devices sold by Mastervolt.
For one they could have made it fairly easy into a frequency conversion device as well (50<=>60 Hz). Also the regulation of the output voltage is not possible (out voltage is in voltage plus a few %). Finally they also offer a version of the Isolator that can convert 110 to 220 that is not available (?), at least not when I was shopping.
I had some conversation with tech support at the time but their Customer Relation skills are well below par.
So all in all the thing does what it’s supposed to do but Product Management has been sleeping with this thing. For me the main point aside from isolation is the weight as the thing lives in the rear lazarette (see picture). As the 54 is already very much tail-heavy I don’t want to put too much additional weight that I can avoid on the back.


Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121





--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

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