Date   

Re: Ice makers - Looks good, but where do you place it? it's gonna heat the saloon tremendously generating the ice inside?

Symphony
 

cost - benefit     ;-)


Re: Super Maramu Ballooner halyard hook

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Ken,
I agree, we carry two spare (three in total) for bringing the ballooner down and one spare (two in total) for hoisting - haven't broken any yet.
We also carry numerous spares like bow thruster seal kits ...
You never know when someone may be in need.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 - stuck in Opua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Patrick McAneny
 

Jose, Well if your antifreeze is only warm when the gauge reads 225 or higher ,then its obviously not running hot and it is likely a sensor or gauge issue. When you pulled out the H/E core was there a round ring on the core about 3/4 of the way down the core . It is a round ring that slides tightly over the core ,it is about 1/4" larger on the outside ,it closes off a hole inside the H/E housing ,forcing the water to go thru the core ,rather than bypassing the core thus not cooling the water. Take the core out ,then with a flashlight look into the housing and you will see a bulkhead which the core passes thru ,the gasket seals that hole in the bulkhead. Without the core being sealed  temps increase at higher RPMs.
Hope this helps ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2020 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Pat, thanks for the suggestions.
Yes I am going to order 2 infrared guns!  Sounds like a good thing to have.
I cleaned the heat exchanger in March and the boat sat at Le Phare Blue (Grenada) for 5 months.  Also, the temperature gauge read high even at idle RPM.  So I think I can exclude the heat exchanger.
No, I did not see steam pushing past the radiator cap.  There were a few bubbles of air that came out but the antifreeze was only warm.
Ipanema has still the original Volvo Penta TM22. 
Is the rubber ring/gasket the one that looks like a radiator the cap?
I will conduct later on a test of the heat sensor to see how accurate it is and compare the temp with that of an infrared gun.
So, the saga continues

Jose 
Ipanema SM2K 278


Re: Alternator to house bank charging

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Thanks Mark.

Both examples look good. Certainly keen to keep the LN175amp alternator if we can. The Wakespeed WS500 looks like a good product for now and the future.

Cheers
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K 356

On Saturday, September 5, 2020, 9:59 pm, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Ross,


You could just install an external alternator controller that will allow you to program the alternator to safely charge either your new AGM or future LiFePO4 batteries.  Examples include:
Wakespeed WS500:  http://wakespeed.com/products.html
Balmar MC-624:  https://balmar.net/?product=reguor-mc-624-h



--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Zoom meeting - QSails owner/manager will present sails for Amels - Sat, 09/12/2020 20:00-21:00, Please RSVP #cal-reminder

main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Reminder: Zoom meeting - QSails owner/manager will present sails for Amels

When: Saturday, 12 September 2020, 20:00 to 21:00, (GMT+00:00) UTC

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description: Time will be 2000 UTC.

Over 60 Amel owners have purchased sails from QSails, Izmir, Turkey. QSails has shipped these sails worldwide. Emrah Oge, owner, manager, and avid sailor will present how sails are made and some key points to be aware of in the selection of sails for your Amel. 

QSails offers very fast shipments of sails for many Amel models. In fact, many Amel sails are actually shipped from pre-made stock at QSails.

To ensure that you get the best quality and the best price, QSails and Amel owners have designed 3 simple choices for you of Good, Better, and Best:

GOOD - CrossCut AP Dacron is a quote for budget-minded Super Maramu owners who would like a Dacron polyester cross-cut sail similar to what Doyle Sails provides.
BETTER - TriRadial Cut Pro Radial Dimension/Polyant Dacron is a quote for those owners wanting a very high-quality Dacron Polyester fiber sailcloth from the German company Dimension-Polyant. It is cut and assembled in a TriRadial configuration. This is a slightly higher quality sail with the same TriRadial construction that your Super Maramu had when new.
BEST
- HydraNet TriRadial Cut is a quote for TriRadial Cut HydraNet from the German company Dimension-Polyant. I consider Dimension-Polyant the best sailcloth manufacturer in the world, and HydraNet the best sailcloth...it will not stretch.

Zoom link for the meeting:

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Time: Sep 12, 2020 20:00 Greenwich Mean Time

Join Zoom Meeting

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Meeting ID: 946 8739 6754

Link for the Youtube stream: https://youtu.be/nQob9dJu3RE

 


Re: Alternator to house bank charging

 

You can replace the Leece-Neville internal dumb regulator with an external smart regulator. Email me is you want instructions brouse@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:59 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Ross,

You could just install an external alternator controller that will allow you to program the alternator to safely charge either your new AGM or future LiFePO4 batteries.  Examples include:
Wakespeed WS500:  http://wakespeed.com/products.html
Balmar MC-624:  https://balmar.net/?product=reguor-mc-624-h



--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Water maker Questions

 

I suggest that you need to back up some from your assumptions and take a different approach. First of all, if you pay £500, for SW302521 Filmtec membranes, you are definitely overpaying. They should be about $200USD plus VAT/Freight. There is one membrane manufacturer in the world, so it makes no difference where you buy membranes.

Allow me to make a few points:
  • Your Dessalator watermaker is probably 17 years old if it is as old as the SM. Most other brands do not last that long. Dessalator is a modular design which means modules can be replaced or overhauled.
  • There can be other causes for a water maker not working. Membrane tube seals could be one of them. 
  • If there is a membrane failure, it may be only one of them.
  • When a watermaker has been neglected and not used, you should allow it to run for at least 30 minutes, discarding all product water before testing.
  • Membranes require moisture. If a membrane is allowed to dry, it will probably never work again.
  • Some water maker manufacturers promise a lot and deliver very little. Dessalator is not one of these manufacturers.
I suggest that once you put the Dessalator water maker in good working condition that you religiously do the following:
  1. Rinse the membranes weekly following the instruction, or run the watermaker every 3 days.
  2. If you do not have a method of discarding produced water from the watermaker, add a 3-way valve to do this.
  3. Before you add any water to the tank, test it. You will find that the TDS will decrease as the watermaker run increases, usually allowing 300TDS or less after 5 minutes.
I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:31 AM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

This is a really useful thread. 


Nunky is fitted with a Dessalator D100. We assumed that the green light meant it was working well. When it became apparent that it wasn’t we had a tank full of brine. I now know that the green light means nothing. I actually tested the output against sea water and somehow it was worse.

I have no idea when the water maker was last used but my guess is months and months before we bought the boat. Due to various issues including Covid we were then away from the boat for months. I didn’t know about pickling and regular flushing at that stage so it’s hardly surprising that the water maker isn’t working properly.

I am going to clean the membranes to see if that helps but if it doesn’t it’s either 3 new membranes at £500 each or a new system with proper quality control. 

Has anybody managed to successfully resurrect a system from this state? If so, how?


--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Alternator to house bank charging

Mark McGovern
 

Ross,

You could just install an external alternator controller that will allow you to program the alternator to safely charge either your new AGM or future LiFePO4 batteries.  Examples include:
Wakespeed WS500:  http://wakespeed.com/products.html
Balmar MC-624:  https://balmar.net/?product=reguor-mc-624-h



--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Jose Venegas
 

Pat, thanks for the suggestions.
Yes I am going to order 2 infrared guns!  Sounds like a good thing to have.
I cleaned the heat exchanger in March and the boat sat at Le Phare Blue (Grenada) for 5 months.  Also, the temperature gauge read high even at idle RPM.  So I think I can exclude the heat exchanger.
No, I did not see steam pushing past the radiator cap.  There were a few bubbles of air that came out but the antifreeze was only warm.
Ipanema has still the original Volvo Penta TM22. 
Is the rubber ring/gasket the one that looks like a radiator the cap?
I will conduct later on a test of the heat sensor to see how accurate it is and compare the temp with that of an infrared gun.
So, the saga continues

Jose 
Ipanema SM2K 278


Re: Alternator to house bank charging

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Thanks Elja,

This will be one for us to look at.

Kind regard Ross and Donna


On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 19:14, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
<Bijorka@...> wrote:
He Ross he Donna 

Look hier by the Mastervolt altinator he is expencive but you can change the program for AGM and licium 

https://www.mastervolt.de/produkte/lichtmaschinen-laderegler/

Best Elja 
SM Balu 
222
Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Alternator to house bank charging

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Ross he Donna 

Look hier by the Mastervolt altinator he is expencive but you can change the program for AGM and licium 

https://www.mastervolt.de/produkte/lichtmaschinen-laderegler/

Best Elja 
SM Balu 
222
Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Super Maramu Ballooner halyard hook

Michael & Robyn
 

Greetings!
just ordered two new ones from Maud.
[01888] CROCHET DE BALLOONER ERTALYTE/ Ballooner hook (Ertalyte) for 74EUR each w/o VAT + shipping
kind regards
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
currently in Cambridge MD Chesapeake Bay


Re: Ice makers - Looks good, but where do you place it? it's gonna heat the saloon tremendously generating the ice inside?

greg greg
 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 01:03 PM, Symphony wrote:
Icerette from Raritan


Alternator to house bank charging

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Team,

We have recently replaced our house batteries with 12 x Victron 110amp Gel batteries to give us 660amp capacity.

We have Solar set up through a Victron MPPT with 3 x 200w panels

We ultimately want to change to Lithium in the future and are making changes to our charging system and to protect the Gel batteries in the meantime. We have recently installed a Victron Skylla i100amp charger as the old Dolphin 100amp could not be programmed to charge Gel batteries. The 30amp shore power charger does have a switch to charge Gel batteries, so we will keep with that for the moment unless any of you advise that we should change that also. 

The other change we will need to look at is replacing the Lecce-Neville 175amp house alternator as this could potentially overcharge the Gel Batteries. We are looking at different options that would suit the charging of the Gel batteries and also be suitable for charging a Lithium set up in the future. 

A Balmar alternator has been recommended by one company in New Zealand and we are currently doing some research on this alternator. Ideally we want something that will do the job now and in the future with minimum adjustment to the current alternator bracket and belt system.

We are also looking at a Balmar MC614 Max charge regulator so as to regulate the charge to the Gel batteries. Lastly because we kept the Lead acid start battery we will look at installing a Balmar Digital Duo charge to regulate the charge between the two battery types.

Has anyone out there done a similar set up or have any advise on best alternator for our system and future compatibility to Lithium.

Any advise would be appreciated.

Kind regards
Ross & Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K 365
Currently in Turkey


locked Re: Batteries starting to get weak - MMM - What to do -

Denis Foster
 

Hello Ken,

Great vidéo informative and entertaining.

I understood you went for 12V Lifepo. On the chat it was advised to go for 24V Lifepo that would better balance the cells by the integrated BMS.

But then you can’t use it for emergency start of the engine (or the generator) without a 24V to 12V transformer which has added cost and something more to not work when needed the most.

is this correct ?

Thank s

Denis 
Meltem 32


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Patrick McAneny
 

Jose, It sounds as though you think it may be a matter of sensors giving you a false reading ,yet you said the exhaust was steaming ,was there other signs of overheating ,like antifreeze  or steam pushing past the radiator cap. To bad you don't have a infrared gun, I have two to take readings to make sure they agree . I have not read any mention of the heat exchanger, have you cleaned it ? If it is clogged your temps can be normal at low RPMs and go up quickly with an increase in the RPM. What engine do you have ? If it is a Volvo than I had a overheating issue like I just described and discovered it was a rubber ring/gasket in the H/E . You should find a previous post describing the issue in detail. If you have a Volvo and you cannot find my previous post ,let me know and I will explain about this ring and its function and how if it is missing , your temps rise with the rpms.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2020 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Thank you for the suggestions.  I know that both thermostats are OK, they open before the water boils.  I will make the test of the sensor/gauge with boiling water to see if it is a measurement problem.  I like the idea of having a second measurement available and perhaps the infrared thermometer is the best because it can be used in other parts like the generator or the batteries.  

Craig, the thermostat does two things.  Open the outlet towards the heat exchanger and closes the pathway for recirculation.  Removing the thermostat opens the outlet to the heat exchanger but leaves the path for recirculation open.  Yes this should reduce the temperature in the sensor but may still leave the engine hotter by allowing recirculation. 
It is a good temporary solution when you have no spare thermostat. 

Unfortunately, Bonaire is full and they are not allowing any more boats.  Now is even worse since Curaçao has developed a second wave of Covid19. Onle 32 cases but   still increasing. We are awaiting for Cartagena to open but that may be more than a month away.  Still, I hope our paths will cross soon. 

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 2K 278
Seru Boca Marina, Curaçai


locked Re: Batteries starting to get weak - MMM - What to do -

Philippe Belloir
 

hello 
thank you sharing your expériences, ans for yourvideos too...
i see lifepo4 battery 12v 100a straight from China 350 to 500 euros. 

https://m.fr.aliexpress.com/item/33035357191.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.7d5229a0oXm49j

any opinion, experience....

best,


Philippe Belloir  
+33 781 709 791


-------- Message d'origine --------
De : Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date : 05/09/2020 05:27 (GMT+01:00)
À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Objet : [AmelYachtOwners] Batteries starting to get weak - MMM - What to do -

I am currently stuck in Thailand, and as many of you know Zivile and I have a YouTube channel about our circumnavigation.  Sailing Aquarius.  Over a Year ago I did a video about batteries, and the video made the case for buying LiFePO4 batteries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcWBiDnB794
I think this has a lot of good information about the LiFePO4 batteries, and the systems on a SM.

I bought the Victron AGM batteries (8x110AH 12V) 3 1/2 years ago, and they were starting to get tired.  When new I had 440AH at 24V, thus about 220AH of usable.  After 3.5 years of sailing, and using the bow thruster, and picking up the anchor all without the Genset running, my batteries were giving me about 110AH of usable power.  Every morning I was getting closer and closer to 24.6V, and hit it a few times.  

Being in Thailand, I could not expect BattleBorn to be competitive with no one in Thailand, so I started doing research.  

I am currently doing a video about the batteries I ended up with, and should release it next week.  But, I found that in Thailand I was able to get a custom made LiFePO4 battery 24V 300AH for about $1800.  I bought 2, and made them sized so that 3 will fit in the SM.  That means you could get 3 batteries for slightly more than I paid for Victron AGMs and you would have 900AH at 24V.  This was a game changer - I can run the AC with my 600AH battery pack for 3 hours a night without running the Genset.

I will release the video next week.  But this was a game changer!

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K 262


Re: Super Maramu Ballooner halyard hook

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Gang,

I agree with you Ken.  :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ




On 5 Sep 2020, at 15:34, Bryce Procter via groups.io <Balibryce@...> wrote:


Hi Ken,

From what I can gather you are still in Thailand and on possibly in Port Takola Marina Krabi.
My SM is currently laying in Pangkor Marina and I'm stuck in Perth Australia waiting for the borders to reopen. I'm planning on dropping the masts for repainting while replacing the standing rigging and electronics either in Malaysia or heading to Phuket/Krabi. Do you have any thoughts or recommendations on marinas and services in the area?

Cheers

Bryce
SM Seamaster ll




On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 11:11 AM +0800, "Ken Powers SV Aquarius" <ken@...> wrote:

In my humble opinion, I would never use an aluminum halyard hook.  The possibility of breaking more than a halyard hook is just too great.  Instead of breaking a hook, at the price of MAX $80, you could end up with a few thousand $$ in damage.  Amel had a reason for making the hook the sacrificial lamb, and this is one part I would NOT change.  I broke one, and very happy it broke and didn't take down my rig!  I left the halyard on the hook and started to furl, and most of you that broke a hook did the same.  I have never had a problem with a hook, unless I F'd up, and with everything that is going on when you are deploying or retrieving your ballooner..... "There is a possibility of making a mistake!".  So, don't change the hook material!

I ordered 3 Hooks from Maud last year, and though Amel dosen't keep them in stock, I believe you can get them in a few months.  I carry 3 aboard Aquarius.  This way if I meet a friend that needs one, I still have a spare.  That's the good things about the Amel SM...there are about 480 of us that use very similar parts.  If I have something that another Amelian needs to keep going, I am happy to help.  JP needed a filter on SM#007, and after a few beers, he talked me out if!  I think most of Amelians are the same, we help each other.  That's one of the biggest reason I like the Amel SM!

Best to All.

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
Still in Thailand...


Re: Super Maramu Ballooner halyard hook

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Hello Bryce,

Too bad you can't get back to SM Seamaster II.  Just heard that Malaysia is closed until "at the earliest" December 31st.  Hope this changes, but that was the latest today.  There are several boats in Thailand trying to get down to Malaysia, but as you know the boarders are all closed.  A friend left Thailand 10 days ago headed to Australia.  He got permission to stop for fuel in Malaysia, and in Indonesia.  They stopped in Langkawi where they got fuel (30% cheaper than fuel in Thailand) also also arranged to pick up some Alcohol, and a SIM card for data while sailing near Malaysia.  Next stop was Belitung Indonesia, where they got fuel (slightly overpriced) and arranged to get some fresh veggies and a SIM card for data while sailing through Indonesia.  

They may, or may not stop in Lombok, where Ray (Owner of Marina Del Ray) sez ALL boat welcome to stop and stay out of the weather!!!  Then when they get to Australia they may have to to the 14 day Q!   

Marinas in Phuket -
Ao Po - Expensive ( About $75US per night for a SM). Plus Elec, and Water.  Nice facilities, but not really the place to get your boat serviced)
Yacht Haven - Expensive (About $75US per night for a SM). Plus Elec, and Water.  Nice facilities). We got some work done here - but was not happy with the work
done by an American "electrician?".  There are some good trades here, but found most trades to be expensive.  They do have a good person to do upholstery here.  This is also far from most of the places that sell boat parts.  You will have to rent a car 800 B per day, which is a great deal.
Phuket Boat Lagoon - VERY EXPENSIVE If you have to ask the price, you don't want to be here.  But, they have all the shops for Marine Equipment here.  Most of the services are based here.  But, over priced!
There is also a Marina in Chalong Pier - Don't know the price, but kind of a dump.  Should just anchor off the pier when you arrive, and dinghy into the Marina to check in to Thailand.  Depending on the weather when you arrive, anchor off the small island Ko Lon, or Next to Cloud 19 Panwa and just a short Dinghy ride to the pier.   Then, don't go to a marina unless you have to.  Anchor off Yacht Haven and meet up with everyone!!!  

Krabi Downtown Marina - This is the Budget Marina - If you need a marina, and you want to be next to a small town, this is it.  Cheap (about$25 per night), but it's a dump of a marina!!!  If you are going to be there for more than 7 nights, better to pay the 5000 baht to become a member.  50% off.....  Power is expensive without the 50% off!

Krabi Boat Lagoon - This is where I am now.  We are getting the bottom completely sanded to Gel Coat, keel down to metal, 2 coats of epoxy barrier coat for the fiberglass, 2 coats of epoxy coat for the metal keel, 2 coats of epoxy primer, 3 coats of ablative antifoul.  Also, they are going to re-coat my boot stripe with Gel Coat, not paint.  Also, getting the Rub Rail re-gel-coated.  Including some other Gel Coat on the hull to make it look new.  This will all cost about $5500.  I have found this to be a nice place, but out of the way.  Cost right not is reasonable because of a 40% discount due to Covid.  About $30 per night...  

There are a few other marinas, but these are the ones that I know.

If you have any questions, let me know!  If you have whatsApp - call me +1 six one9, two18, one7Five three.
   


Volvo D3 intercooler

ngtnewington Newington
 

Yesterday I discovered a pin hole in the intercooler.
That is it was blowing out air from this tiny hole, to be clear the turbo blows hot compressed air through the intercooler to cool it on its way to combustion. The intercooler is located just below the secondary fuel filter on the starboard side of the engine as mounted in the Amel 54.
I increased rpm to get boost pressure and then it really hissed out.
The intercooler is cast aluminium, so I have temporarily fixed it with some epoxy weld.
I tested it this morning but to only 0.2 bar on the boost pressure so about 1600 rpm and it held.

The engine is Volvo D3 110i-A
I am after the replacement part number 888513.
Does anyone have one to sell?

Has anyone experienced this before?
Is this a common problem?

Does anyone know how potentially serious this problem could be?

The turbo is very much a double edged sword, a naturally aspirated engine is just so less complex and costly...if I ever repower

Nick
Amelia
About to haul out Leros
AML 54-019

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