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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

eric freedman
 

On Kimberlite the last transformer is labeled permanent and has a toggle switch on it as does Joel’s.

On the aft side of the same compartment ate two circuit breakers that turn on the cigarette lighters and another one for the Bose amplifier.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

 

 

On the Amel Super Marasmus I had, # 331 and # 400, there was a toggle switch on the most outboard 24-12 volt Sailor transformer that supplied the stereo tuner/CD player that allowed being able to turn it off when needed. I believe that transformer was labeled ‘Permanent’. It was pictured and described in the Owner’s Manual, section7.1, page 39, picture 27 in #331’s Owner’s Manual

 

All The Best, Joel

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

 

 

Bill Kinney is absolutely correct. Amel does a good job of labeling wire junctions and terminations, but not 100%. I found some white wire ties with an intregal white plastic label and 5 years ago I bought 100 of these. When I sold BeBe this year there were about 20 unused that I left on BeBe for Dan Carlson. 

 

When I review used Amels for future Amel owners, one of the first things that I look for is "mystery wiring." Mystery wiring can be nothing more than a frustration to a new owner, but can also be the cause of serious electrolysis. Serious electrolysis can lead to the loss of major systems, components and even drive shafts. I will fail an Amel for purchase when I find excessive, unlabeled, and difficult to trace mystery wiring. 

 

This is what I bought: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/142035168097?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebaycom%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D164965185820_324272%2526itemid%253D142035168097%2526targetid%253D271413274950%2526rpc%253D0.10%2526rpc_upld_id%253D107801%2526device%253Dm%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F142035168097%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9061124%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D714751104%2526adgroupid%253D42866488452%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-271413274950%2526gclid%253DCj0KEQiA88TFBRDYrOPKuvfY2pIBEiQA97Z8MQeJV5spAn1_Ad_xGVbzxDLt78mqybNLr7PwK1sARAYaAku38P8HAQ%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1173522451240&ul_noapp=true

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 25, 2017 07:37, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tom,

 

The 12 volt supply system in our boat (Number 160) is set up essentially as Bill Rouse describes for the "later models" even though it is an "early model", i.e. pre Y2K.

 

It sounds like your system was modified at some point and you have some wire tracing to do!  If it was modified exactly as you describe (a converter directly wired to the main battery disconnect switch, with no fuse or circuit breaker in the line) then it might have been done by someone who has no business doing boat wiring.

 

A pox on all boat owners who make changes but do not document those changes to the purchasers of their boats!

 

I have learned that EVERY change I make needs to be written down. Not for the next owner--for me. That thing that seems so perfectly logical and obvious when I am doing it... 5 years later I have forgotten what it was and where it went. As I get older it seems that the 5 years is turning into 5 weeks!

 

Every wire I pull is labeled. Not just wires I install, but any wire I identify while I am working on a project that is not labeled--gets labels.  Labels not just at the beginning and end, but anytime it goes into a chase or through a bulkhead.  It makes troubleshooting and later projects so much easier. It might turn a 4 hour project into a 4.5 hour project, but I get all the time back--with interest--the next time I am working in that area.

 

Good note taking and documentation is very much NOT my natural inclination. I wish I could say I was perfect at it, but through long experience I have learned to be quite diligent about it.

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Boquerón, Puerto Rico



---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

And, I have not seen relays near these converters. Post a photo. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 24, 2017 18:23, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Tom,

 

The following explanation is based on my experience with these converters in latter model SMs:

 

Inside at the left and top of the hanging locker is at least 1 breaker. It is labeled something like Instruments. It turns OFF all three on later model SMs and I believe the same is true for yours. Maybe someone changed some things. 

 

The 3 Sailor 24-12 converters are for:

   VHF

   Instruments - B&G

   AM/FM and accessories & the cig lighter.

 

There is an explanation in the owner's manual. Do you have a copy?

 

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 24, 2017 18:08, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

 

We spent a day trouble-shooting a poorly performing VHF radio, and made some surprising (for me) discoveries. I have known about the three Sailor 24->12V units. What came as a surprise is how they were wired. On of them is labeled "permanent", and is on at all times. As far as I can see, there is no way to turn it off except at the main battery switch. It only supplies a wire for the FM radio that would normally (in a car) go directly to the battery, bypassing the key switch, so that, in a car, the radio can keep time, remember stations, etc even when the key is turned off. The other two Sailors supply the VHF and other 12 volt functions, and are turned on by the closet breaker. There are also two relays that are activated by the breaker in the hanging closet that seem to control the 12 volt functions. I'm not sure of their purpose, as the power supply is only a few centimeters away. 

Any insights into this? Is my understandi ng of this correct? What do the relays do? 

As an aside, working on this once again made me realize what a well-designed and constructed boat we own. 

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

amelforme
 

On the Amel Super Marasmus I had, # 331 and # 400, there was a toggle switch on the most outboard 24-12 volt Sailor transformer that supplied the stereo tuner/CD player that allowed being able to turn it off when needed. I believe that transformer was labeled ‘Permanent’. It was pictured and described in the Owner’s Manual, section7.1, page 39, picture 27 in #331’s Owner’s Manual

 

All The Best, Joel

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

 

 

Bill Kinney is absolutely correct. Amel does a good job of labeling wire junctions and terminations, but not 100%. I found some white wire ties with an intregal white plastic label and 5 years ago I bought 100 of these. When I sold BeBe this year there were about 20 unused that I left on BeBe for Dan Carlson. 

 

When I review used Amels for future Amel owners, one of the first things that I look for is "mystery wiring." Mystery wiring can be nothing more than a frustration to a new owner, but can also be the cause of serious electrolysis. Serious electrolysis can lead to the loss of major systems, components and even drive shafts. I will fail an Amel for purchase when I find excessive, unlabeled, and difficult to trace mystery wiring. 

 

This is what I bought: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/142035168097?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebaycom%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D164965185820_324272%2526itemid%253D142035168097%2526targetid%253D271413274950%2526rpc%253D0.10%2526rpc_upld_id%253D107801%2526device%253Dm%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F142035168097%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9061124%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D714751104%2526adgroupid%253D42866488452%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-271413274950%2526gclid%253DCj0KEQiA88TFBRDYrOPKuvfY2pIBEiQA97Z8MQeJV5spAn1_Ad_xGVbzxDLt78mqybNLr7PwK1sARAYaAku38P8HAQ%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1173522451240&ul_noapp=true

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 25, 2017 07:37, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Tom,

 

The 12 volt supply system in our boat (Number 160) is set up essentially as Bill Rouse describes for the "later models" even though it is an "early model", i.e. pre Y2K.

 

It sounds like your system was modified at some point and you have some wire tracing to do!  If it was modified exactly as you describe (a converter directly wired to the main battery disconnect switch, with no fuse or circuit breaker in the line) then it might have been done by someone who has no business doing boat wiring.

 

A pox on all boat owners who make changes but do not document those changes to the purchasers of their boats!

 

I have learned that EVERY change I make needs to be written down. Not for the next owner--for me. That thing that seems so perfectly logical and obvious when I am doing it... 5 years later I have forgotten what it was and where it went. As I get older it seems that the 5 years is turning into 5 weeks!

 

Every wire I pull is labeled. Not just wires I install, but any wire I identify while I am working on a project that is not labeled--gets labels.  Labels not just at the beginning and end, but anytime it goes into a chase or through a bulkhead.  It makes troubleshooting and later projects so much easier. It might turn a 4 hour project into a 4.5 hour project, but I get all the time back--with interest--the next time I am working in that area.

 

Good note taking and documentation is very much NOT my natural inclination. I wish I could say I was perfect at it, but through long experience I have learned to be quite diligent about it.

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

Boquerón, Puerto Rico



---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

And, I have not seen relays near these converters. Post a photo. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 24, 2017 18:23, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Tom,

 

The following explanation is based on my experience with these converters in latter model SMs:

 

Inside at the left and top of the hanging locker is at least 1 breaker. It is labeled something like Instruments. It turns OFF all three on later model SMs and I believe the same is true for yours. Maybe someone changed some things. 

 

The 3 Sailor 24-12 converters are for:

   VHF

   Instruments - B&G

   AM/FM and accessories & the cig lighter.

 

There is an explanation in the owner's manual. Do you have a copy?

 

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 24, 2017 18:08, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

 

We spent a day trouble-shooting a poorly performing VHF radio, and made some surprising (for me) discoveries. I have known about the three Sailor 24->12V units. What came as a surprise is how they were wired. On of them is labeled "permanent", and is on at all times. As far as I can see, there is no way to turn it off except at the main battery switch. It only supplies a wire for the FM radio that would normally (in a car) go directly to the battery, bypassing the key switch, so that, in a car, the radio can keep time, remember stations, etc even when the key is turned off. The other two Sailors supply the VHF and other 12 volt functions, and are turned on by the closet breaker. There are also two relays that are activated by the breaker in the hanging closet that seem to control the 12 volt functions. I'm not sure of their purpose, as the power supply is only a few centimeters away. 

Any insights into this? Is my understandi ng of this correct? What do the relays do? 

As an aside, working on this once again made me realize what a well-designed and constructed boat we own. 

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

amelforme
 

I think Admiral Rouse is on to something as one of the Super Maramus I owned had these relays and the other one didn’t. Amel always wanted me to have a TV on board my boats which we also used to give sail trials, showings and at boat shows. They wanted the ‘just like home’ ambience to be pervasive. We had a running gunfight over the TV and VCR install as I was adamant that watching TV was absolutely the last thing I would be doing on any sailboat I owned. They got back at me by installing it in one of my boats anyway, and not charging me for it! On my 54, they wanted me to have TWO TV’s, aft cabin and saloon. I refused again, and they installed the one in the saloon anyway with no charge on the invoice but a like sum increase on other options that covered the cost. I didn’t figure it out until years later.

Pretty sure the relays are TV related.

Hey Olivier! Help us out on this one, please.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

 

 

It appears that the relays are installed by Amel Do you have an Amel installed TV and possibly VCR? I am ONLY GUESSING that the relays have something to do with that. Sorry, without being there and doing some tracing with a voltmeter, I can't offer anything else. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 25, 2017 07:15, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Here is a pic behind the nav station. There are two 24 volt relays in the middle that are tripped by the "instrument" breaker in the closet. On our boat, the three Sailors are:

 

1. Permanent, always on, I do not see how to turn it off

2. VHF only

3. Instruments, FM radio, cigar lighter, etc. 

 

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill Kinney is absolutely correct. Amel does a good job of labeling wire junctions and terminations, but not 100%. I found some white wire ties with an intregal white plastic label and 5 years ago I bought 100 of these. When I sold BeBe this year there were about 20 unused that I left on BeBe for Dan Carlson. 

When I review used Amels for future Amel owners, one of the first things that I look for is "mystery wiring." Mystery wiring can be nothing more than a frustration to a new owner, but can also be the cause of serious electrolysis. Serious electrolysis can lead to the loss of major systems, components and even drive shafts. I will fail an Amel for purchase when I find excessive, unlabeled, and difficult to trace mystery wiring. 

This is what I bought: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/142035168097?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D164965185820_324272%2526itemid%253D142035168097%2526targetid%253D271413274950%2526rpc%253D0.10%2526rpc_upld_id%253D107801%2526device%253Dm%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F142035168097%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9061124%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D714751104%2526adgroupid%253D42866488452%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-271413274950%2526gclid%253DCj0KEQiA88TFBRDYrOPKuvfY2pIBEiQA97Z8MQeJV5spAn1_Ad_xGVbzxDLt78mqybNLr7PwK1sARAYaAku38P8HAQ%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1173522451240&ul_noapp=true

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 25, 2017 07:37, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Tom,


The 12 volt supply system in our boat (Number 160) is set up essentially as Bill Rouse describes for the "later models" even though it is an "early model", i.e. pre Y2K.

It sounds like your system was modified at some point and you have some wire tracing to do!  If it was modified exactly as you describe (a converter directly wired to the main battery disconnect switch, with no fuse or circuit breaker in the line) then it might have been done by someone who has no business doing boat wiring.

A pox on all boat owners who make changes but do not document those changes to the purchasers of their boats!

I have learned that EVERY change I make needs to be written down. Not for the next owner--for me. That thing that seems so perfectly logical and obvious when I am doing it... 5 years later I have forgotten what it was and where it went. As I get older it seems that the 5 years is turning into 5 weeks!

Every wire I pull is labeled. Not just wires I install, but any wire I identify while I am working on a project that is not labeled--gets labels.  Labels not just at the beginning and end, but anytime it goes into a chase or through a bulkhead.  It makes troubleshooting and later projects so much easier. It might turn a 4 hour project into a 4.5 hour project, but I get all the time back--with interest--the next time I am working in that area.

Good note taking and documentation is very much NOT my natural inclination. I wish I could say I was perfect at it, but through long experience I have learned to be quite diligent about it.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Boquerón, Puerto Rico


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

And, I have not seen relays near these converters. Post a photo. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 18:23, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Tom,

The following explanation is based on my experience with these converters in latter model SMs:

Inside at the left and top of the hanging locker is at least 1 breaker. It is labeled something like Instruments. It turns OFF all three on later model SMs and I believe the same is true for yours. Maybe someone changed some things. 

The 3 Sailor 24-12 converters are for:
   VHF
   Instruments - B&G
   AM/FM and accessories & the cig lighter.

There is an explanation in the owner's manual. Do you have a copy?

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 18:08, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

We spent a day trouble-shooting a poorly performing VHF radio, and made some surprising (for me) discoveries. I have known about the three Sailor 24->12V units. What came as a surprise is how they were wired. On of them is labeled "permanent", and is on at all times. As far as I can see, there is no way to turn it off except at the main battery switch. It only supplies a wire for the FM radio that would normally (in a car) go directly to the battery, bypassing the key switch, so that, in a car, the radio can keep time, remember stations, etc even when the key is turned off. The other two Sailors supply the VHF and other 12 volt functions, and are turned on by the closet breaker. There are also two relays that are activated by the breaker in the hanging closet that seem to control the 12 volt functions. I'm not sure of their purpose, as the power supply is only a few centimeters away. 

Any insights into this? Is my understandi ng of this correct? What do the relays do? 

As an aside, working on this once again made me realize what a well-designed and constructed boat we own. 

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics [1 Attachment]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It appears that the relays are installed by Amel. Do you have an Amel installed TV and possibly VCR? I am ONLY GUESSING that the relays have something to do with that. Sorry, without being there and doing some tracing with a voltmeter, I can't offer anything else. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 25, 2017 07:15, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Here is a pic behind the nav station. There are two 24 volt relays in the middle that are tripped by the "instrument" breaker in the closet. On our boat, the three Sailors are:


1. Permanent, always on, I do not see how to turn it off
2. VHF only
3. Instruments, FM radio, cigar lighter, etc. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
St Augustine, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Bill,
Indeed, things are well labeled on the boat. Again, kudos to Amel. 
I'm pretty sure that these are not post-La Rochelle modifications. Here's why:
The three Sailors are labeled "VHF", "Compteur de chaine, Hydra", and "Permanent". "VHF" is universal, the second is clearly French, and "permanent" is identical in English and French. I think they are factory labeled. Then, the wires coming into the forward compartment at the nav station (where the FM radio/CD is) is also labeled, with the very recognizable and well done grey wire sleeve that is seen on all wiring throughout the boat. The sleeve says "Bleu 12 v perm" and "Orange 12 v + perm".  The "bleu" again is a dead giveaway for French origin, and the handwriting is similar to other wire sleeves in the boat. "Orange" again is bilingual, a word we borrowed from the French. 
Maybe these are specific to my boat. Are your Sailors labeled?
And the relays are French. 
My read on the "instrument" breaker in the closet is there is a large red wire coming in from the batteries on the bottom of the breaker, and a large red wire coming out from the top, that then eventually goes to the Sailors. There is s smaller red wire that comes off the bottom hot part of the breaker that may go to the "permanent" Sailor, bypassing the breaker. 
The Sailors are fused, so there is some protection. 
Sorry for droning on, but my mission the past two days has been to fully understand the wiring. Maybe these are factory modifications just for my boat. Am still trying to understand the purpose of the relays, since the breakers, Sailors, and all else are all so close. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes 
St Augustine, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

greatketch@...
 

Tom,

The 12 volt supply system in our boat (Number 160) is set up essentially as Bill Rouse describes for the "later models" even though it is an "early model", i.e. pre Y2K.

It sounds like your system was modified at some point and you have some wire tracing to do!  If it was modified exactly as you describe (a converter directly wired to the main battery disconnect switch, with no fuse or circuit breaker in the line) then it might have been done by someone who has no business doing boat wiring.

A pox on all boat owners who make changes but do not document those changes to the purchasers of their boats!

I have learned that EVERY change I make needs to be written down. Not for the next owner--for me. That thing that seems so perfectly logical and obvious when I am doing it... 5 years later I have forgotten what it was and where it went. As I get older it seems that the 5 years is turning into 5 weeks!

Every wire I pull is labeled. Not just wires I install, but any wire I identify while I am working on a project that is not labeled--gets labels.  Labels not just at the beginning and end, but anytime it goes into a chase or through a bulkhead.  It makes troubleshooting and later projects so much easier. It might turn a 4 hour project into a 4.5 hour project, but I get all the time back--with interest--the next time I am working in that area.

Good note taking and documentation is very much NOT my natural inclination. I wish I could say I was perfect at it, but through long experience I have learned to be quite diligent about it.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Boquerón, Puerto Rico


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

And, I have not seen relays near these converters. Post a photo. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 18:23, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Tom,

The following explanation is based on my experience with these converters in latter model SMs:

Inside at the left and top of the hanging locker is at least 1 breaker. It is labeled something like Instruments. It turns OFF all three on later model SMs and I believe the same is true for yours. Maybe someone changed some things. 

The 3 Sailor 24-12 converters are for:
   VHF
   Instruments - B&G
   AM/FM and accessories & the cig lighter.

There is an explanation in the owner's manual. Do you have a copy?

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 18:08, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

We spent a day trouble-shooting a poorly performing VHF radio, and made some surprising (for me) discoveries. I have known about the three Sailor 24->12V units. What came as a surprise is how they were wired. On of them is labeled "permanent", and is on at all times. As far as I can see, there is no way to turn it off except at the main battery switch. It only supplies a wire for the FM radio that would normally (in a car) go directly to the battery, bypassing the key switch, so that, in a car, the radio can keep time, remember stations, etc even when the key is turned off. The other two Sailors supply the VHF and other 12 volt functions, and are turned on by the closet breaker. There are also two relays that are activated by the breaker in the hanging closet that seem to control the 12 volt functions. I'm not sure of their purpose, as the power supply is only a few centimeters away. 

Any insights into this? Is my understandi ng of this correct? What do the relays do? 

As an aside, working on this once again made me realize what a well-designed and constructed boat we own. 

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

Thomas Peacock
 

Here is a pic behind the nav station. There are two 24 volt relays in the middle that are tripped by the "instrument" breaker in the closet. On our boat, the three Sailors are:

1. Permanent, always on, I do not see how to turn it off
2. VHF only
3. Instruments, FM radio, cigar lighter, etc. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
St Augustine, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

And, I have not seen relays near these converters. Post a photo. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 18:23, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Tom,

The following explanation is based on my experience with these converters in latter model SMs:

Inside at the left and top of the hanging locker is at least 1 breaker. It is labeled something like Instruments. It turns OFF all three on later model SMs and I believe the same is true for yours. Maybe someone changed some things. 

The 3 Sailor 24-12 converters are for:
   VHF
   Instruments - B&G
   AM/FM and accessories & the cig lighter.

There is an explanation in the owner's manual. Do you have a copy?

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 18:08, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

We spent a day trouble-shooting a poorly performing VHF radio, and made some surprising (for me) discoveries. I have known about the three Sailor 24->12V units. What came as a surprise is how they were wired. On of them is labeled "permanent", and is on at all times. As far as I can see, there is no way to turn it off except at the main battery switch. It only supplies a wire for the FM radio that would normally (in a car) go directly to the battery, bypassing the key switch, so that, in a car, the radio can keep time, remember stations, etc even when the key is turned off. The other two Sailors supply the VHF and other 12 volt functions, and are turned on by the closet breaker. There are also two relays that are activated by the breaker in the hanging closet that seem to control the 12 volt functions. I'm not sure of their purpose, as the power supply is only a few centimeters away. 

Any insights into this? Is my understandi ng of this correct? What do the relays do? 

As an aside, working on this once again made me realize what a well-designed and constructed boat we own. 

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Nav Station Electronics

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Tom,

The following explanation is based on my experience with these converters in latter model SMs:

Inside at the left and top of the hanging locker is at least 1 breaker. It is labeled something like Instruments. It turns OFF all three on later model SMs and I believe the same is true for yours. Maybe someone changed some things. 

The 3 Sailor 24-12 converters are for:
   VHF
   Instruments - B&G
   AM/FM and accessories & the cig lighter.

There is an explanation in the owner's manual. Do you have a copy?

I hope this helps you.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 18:08, "peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We spent a day trouble-shooting a poorly performing VHF radio, and made some surprising (for me) discoveries. I have known about the three Sailor 24->12V units. What came as a surprise is how they were wired. On of them is labeled "permanent", and is on at all times. As far as I can see, there is no way to turn it off except at the main battery switch. It only supplies a wire for the FM radio that would normally (in a car) go directly to the battery, bypassing the key switch, so that, in a car, the radio can keep time, remember stations, etc even when the key is turned off. The other two Sailors supply the VHF and other 12 volt functions, and are turned on by the closet breaker. There are also two relays that are activated by the breaker in the hanging closet that seem to control the 12 volt functions. I'm not sure of their purpose, as the power supply is only a few centimeters away. 

Any insights into this? Is my understandi ng of this correct? What do the relays do? 

As an aside, working on this once again made me realize what a well-designed and constructed boat we own. 

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida



SM Nav Station Electronics

Thomas Peacock
 

We spent a day trouble-shooting a poorly performing VHF radio, and made some surprising (for me) discoveries. I have known about the three Sailor 24->12V units. What came as a surprise is how they were wired. On of them is labeled "permanent", and is on at all times. As far as I can see, there is no way to turn it off except at the main battery switch. It only supplies a wire for the FM radio that would normally (in a car) go directly to the battery, bypassing the key switch, so that, in a car, the radio can keep time, remember stations, etc even when the key is turned off. The other two Sailors supply the VHF and other 12 volt functions, and are turned on by the closet breaker. There are also two relays that are activated by the breaker in the hanging closet that seem to control the 12 volt functions. I'm not sure of their purpose, as the power supply is only a few centimeters away. 

Any insights into this? Is my understanding of this correct? What do the relays do? 

As an aside, working on this once again made me realize what a well-designed and constructed boat we own. 

Thanks,

Tom Peacock

SM 240 Aletes

St Augustine, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mainsail furleer 54

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The address is correct. You have to be logged into the Amel Yacht Owners Yahoo Group to get the letter to download. Login and try again. Let me know if it does not work and I will try to find my copy. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 17:21, "Denis Elborn delborn@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


I’m interested in this letter but it doesn’t come up on the computer just saying an error occurred when I try the address below. Is it correct?

Denis 
S/V Aventura A54 #113

On 25 Feb 2017, at 1:11 am, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Ofer,


The design of the original Bamar furlers is very poor. Bamar recognized this and redesigned them. I would upgrade both to the new furler.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:33 AM, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Muhammad,

I have now problems with my bamar furler.can you please give me the contact details of the bamar repair tech in Turkey?
Thanks.
Ofer 
SV Alba A54 #160






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] mainsail furleer 54

Denis Elborn
 

Bill,

I’m interested in this letter but it doesn’t come up on the computer just saying an error occurred when I try the address below. Is it correct?

Denis 
S/V Aventura A54 #113

On 25 Feb 2017, at 1:11 am, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Ofer,


The design of the original Bamar furlers is very poor. Bamar recognized this and redesigned them. I would upgrade both to the new furler.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:33 AM, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Muhammad,

I have now problems with my bamar furler.can you please give me the contact details of the bamar repair tech in Turkey?
Thanks.
Ofer 
SV Alba A54 #160





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

That sounds correct, but as I remember it, I did not try to move the exhaust hose. It probably would not take much. 

Anyway, at least you have a copy of the solution that I chose, although maybe not the best. I was in New Zealand and did not really know where to find all the things I needed. 

And, any metric pipe fitting you might need will be available to you on eBay, Amazon, and probably others. 

Good luck. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 24, 2017 10:35, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


You probably had the same situation I do, the generator exhaust hose wraps around the outboard end of the water heater.  Basically zero clearance.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

You probably had the same situation I do, the generator exhaust hose wraps around the outboard end of the water heater.  Basically zero clearance.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furleer 54

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ofer,


The design of the original Bamar furlers is very poor. Bamar recognized this and redesigned them. I would upgrade both to the new furler.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:33 AM, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Muhammad,

I have now problems with my bamar furler.can you please give me the contact details of the bamar repair tech in Turkey?
Thanks.
Ofer
SV Alba A54 #160



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,


I don't remember exactly why I did what I did rather than shifting it to Port.

Bill
X-BeBe

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 7:15 AM, stephreg@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Duane,


Alternatively, conflict with the cockpit drain can be solved by shifting the tank a couple inches outboard (to port). This is simpler than modifying the tank and cheaper than buying the tank with double coils.

Stephan
s/v Hanalei (SM2000)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance - More comments & Group Insurance Question

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furleer 54

magenofer@...
 

Hi Muhammad,

I have now problems with my bamar furler.can you please give me the contact details of the bamar repair tech in Turkey?
Thanks.
Ofer
SV Alba A54 #160


Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Stephan Regulinski
 

Duane,

Alternatively, conflict with the cockpit drain can be solved by shifting the tank a couple inches outboard (to port). This is simpler than modifying the tank and cheaper than buying the tank with double coils.

Stephan
s/v Hanalei (SM2000)