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Re: Smoking Gun...

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

Jeffrey,

I understand from one of your recent posting that you are in the process of replacing the  black lining that covers the sound-proofing material in the engine room. I am very interested in knowing what product you are using and what has been your experience. You can respond to this either on this group or by email as follows:
vilemonte at gmail.com.


Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Duane Siegfri
 

Craig,

Hadn't thought of that, JB Weld will fix anything!

Duane


Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Duane,
Now that others have told you how to remove your tank and to look for an accumulator, there may be an option to buying and modifying a new tank.
My tank developed pin hole leaks on the bottom due to bits of an old failed electric heating element having fallen in and corroding the tank wall. I simply roughed up the area around the holes with sandpaper and applied a thin coat of J-B Weld (Epoxy "Steel"). That was 8 years ago and still no leaks! (I did remove the bits.) This should work wherever your leak is - around a fitting, a seam or, like mine, on the tank wall.
Good luck with it,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks for the details Stephan, you make it sound easy!

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

eric freedman
 

Hanspeter,

I believe you misunderstood what Jeff said. He recommended running it at a high speed for just 15 minutes a day . This has been told to me by many diesel mechanics over the years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 5:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

 

 




On 20 Feb 2017, at 21:03, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

To all and specially to the new Amel Owners

Do not what Jeff Spirt is telling us. Absolutly nonsens. Keep your engine in moderate motoring conditions. Not motoring days with full speed. Advice; independent which engine; after lets say 10 hours of motoring or more( 1800-2200 rmp) ,I incease the rmp to 2600-2800 ( my engine) for about 5-10 min. This is to avoide the turbo will stoke sometimes with carbon dust.   My engine is 27 years old, 3200 h, Perkins T80.

Also I do not understand that you have not excellent Volvo mecanicans in the East Cost of US. Volvo is one of the leaders in marine engines and not only with cars. ( I 'm not Swedish, I'm Swiss 😉)

Keep loving sailing

Hanspeter

SM Owner with the same boat since 1995

SM16

Tamango 2


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Am 20.02.2017 um 15:43 schrieb JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Porter,

I am by no means an expert, but putting a combination of 30,000 some odd hours turning a combination of a Detroit 671, a cummins qsl 9 (electronic motor), and a cat 3406 aboard my various draggers, along with a 80hp ford lehman aboard my oyster barge, not counting Spirit with it's Volvo 110 d3, I've seen my share of black smoke.

Diesels are meant to be run, and run hard.

Best advise, run your boat like you're stealing it 15 minutes every day.

I normally see a puff of black smoke whenever I start up my dragger , especially in colder weather. Can't say I've seen it happen when I start up the Volvo aboard Spirit.

As a side note:

I had a Volvo guy aboard Spirit while in Charleston back in January, due to an electrical issue with the motor. He explained to me that the first production of the 110 d3 is somewhat of a mystery to many Volvo technicians. The motor is a bit of a hermaphrodite(sp?). The service manager himself came aboard to work on the motor. He located the short.

Good Luck!

 

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

 

 

 




On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

 

Thanks again. 

 

Porter

 

 



On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowne rs] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Alan Leslie
 

Yes and that is actually stated in the Yanmar manual :

(7) When operating the engine at low speed for long periods of time, race the engine once every 2
hours.
Racing the Engine
♦Morse Remote Control Handle
Pull out the handle lever (MT-3) or the free throttle button
(MV) and shift the engine speed from high t to low
several times.
→See 4.3.4(1)
Racing the engine removes carbon built up in the combustion
chamber and around the fuel injection valve.
Neglecting to race the engine will cause the exhaust to
turn black and lower the efficiency of the engine.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Furling Motor for the Genoa

Stephan Regulinski
 

Does anyone know the manufacturer and model number for the furling motor for the Genoa on the SM2000? I thought I read a thread about this motor a while back, but now I can't find it. 


Many thanks,


Stephan

Hanalei (SM2000)


Re: Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Stephan Regulinski
 

Duane,

I just replaced the water heater on our Super Maramu 2000. Here are a couple of thoughts in case you have to replace yours. But keep in mind that Amel may have made some adjustments in the layout of stuff when they switched from the Volvo Penta to the Yanmar engine. I'm in the Volvo Penta family of SM2's, so the notes that follow may have to be adjusted slightly if you are in the Yanmar family.
  • I found that all my hoses were impossible to remove without cutting them off. Fortunately, Amel leaves enough slack in the lines that this is not a problem.
  • You will have to cap the lines coming from the engine that feed the engine cooling water to the water heater or zip tie them so that they are above the waterline of your radiator. Otherwise, you will empty your radiator onto the engine-room sole. I used wood plugs pressed into the hoses and secured with the hose clamps that previously held the hose to the heater. 
  • The hoses coming from tank, both hot and cold are also removed, but they don't have to be capped. The tank will drain itself at this point. 
  • Remove the power and ground wires from the tank and undo the stainless steel straps holding the tank in place.
  • At this point, (and assuming the tank has finished draining) you should be able to lift the tank from the "cradle" in which it sits and lift it up and over the Onan generator. I did so without having to remove anything else. 
Now you have to figure out how you will mount the new heater. Although Bill's pictures shows a tight clearance between the new IsoTemp Basic 40 and the drains, I was able to mount our heater further outboard and attach the hoses with no modification to the tank. The IsoTemp is shorter and fatter than the old tank, so the issue should not be interference with the drains inboard of the tank, but interference with the engine exhaust hoses above the tank. 

I made a thick cardboard template of the IsoTemp profile (cross section) so I could play around with where the tank would fit. I found that that the tank would fit nicely if the feet away from the fittings (let's call them the "outside" feet) were mounted at the same level as the outside stringer. To do this, I unbolted the plywood U-shaped piece from the outside stringer and bolted on a teak 2" x 2" about 20" long, which I got free from the repair shop in my marina (your mileage may vary). I bolted it on the inboard side of the outboard stringer. 

Now here is the tricky part. If you mount this tank as I did, then it will have a slope of about 12 degrees. To get a nice installation, the teak will have to have one of the long faces cut to this angle. The repair shop in my marina had a tablesaw and they cut the teak for me. 

Repeat all this for the inside stringer; but bolt it outboard side of the inboard stringer. That is, the two pieces of teak 2 x 2's will be facing each other.

These two teak (or whatever) 2 X 2's are a little closer together than the feet of the IsoTemp tank as shipped, by an inch or so. Fortunately, the feet are attached using a giant hose clamp thingy, so they can be easily adjusted. Loosen the outside feet before putting the tank in place. You loosen the outside feet so that any adjustment doesn't push the tank inboard, where it interferes with the drains.

If you don't want to scratch the tank, you might want to tape a cardboard "corner" to the corner of the metal Onan control box where the tank has to pass to fit in place. I put the tank in place to mark where the teak 2 x 2's need to be drilled to accept bolts to hold the feet down. Doing it this way means that you have to remove the tank to drill the holes and then put it back to mount it. But it also means that all the holes line up when you put the tank back in place. 

From here it is a downhill run to bolting the tank in place, tightening the hose clamp thingy, reattaching hoses and power (I threw out electrical plug-in assembly and just attached the Amel wires directly to the tank). Test for leaks and Viola! Your new tank is happily in place. Have a beer.

Stephan
Hanalei (SM2000)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hanspeter,


 I think you must have misread  what Jeff Spirit wrote. He advocates running a diesel hard for 15 minutes a day when you are using it. That is the same advice as your own  ( increasing the revs to 2600-2800 for 5-10 minutes )


 For those of us who have Supermaramus, 2800 revs is flat out, as  Amel govern the revs to that figure.


Both of you are giving the same, good , advice.


 Ian and  Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 20 February 2017 22:36:15
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...
 



On 20 Feb 2017, at 21:03, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

To all and specially to the new Amel Owners
Do not what Jeff Spirt is telling us. Absolutly nonsens. Keep your engine in moderate motoring conditions. Not motoring days with full speed. Advice; independent which engine; after lets say 10 hours of motoring or more( 1800-2200 rmp) ,I incease the rmp to 2600-2800 ( my engine) for about 5-10 min. This is to avoide the turbo will stoke sometimes with carbon dust.   My engine is 27 years old, 3200 h, Perkins T80.
Also I do not understand that you have not excellent Volvo mecanicans in the East Cost of US. Volvo is one of the leaders in marine engines and not only with cars. ( I 'm not Swedish, I'm Swiss 😉)
Keep loving sailing
Hanspeter
SM Owner with the same boat since 1995
SM16
Tamango 2

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Am 20.02.2017 um 15:43 schrieb JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Porter,
I am by no means an expert, but putting a combination of 30,000 some odd hours turning a combination of a Detroit 671, a cummins qsl 9 (electronic motor), and a cat 3406 aboard my various draggers, along with a 80hp ford lehman aboard my oyster barge, not counting Spirit with it's Volvo 110 d3, I've seen my share of black smoke.
Diesels are meant to be run, and run hard.
Best advise, run your boat like you're stealing it 15 minutes every day.
I normally see a puff of black smoke whenever I start up my dragger , especially in colder weather. Can't say I've seen it happen when I start up the Volvo aboard Spirit.
As a side note:
I had a Volvo guy aboard Spirit while in Charleston back in January, due to an electrical issue with the motor. He explained to me that the first production of the 110 d3 is somewhat of a mystery to many Volvo technicians. The motor is a bit of a hermaphrodite(sp?). The service manager himself came aboard to work on the motor. He located the short.
Good Luck!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14






On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

Thanks again. 

Porter




On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowne rs] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 




On 20 Feb 2017, at 21:03, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

To all and specially to the new Amel Owners
Do not what Jeff Spirt is telling us. Absolutly nonsens. Keep your engine in moderate motoring conditions. Not motoring days with full speed. Advice; independent which engine; after lets say 10 hours of motoring or more( 1800-2200 rmp) ,I incease the rmp to 2600-2800 ( my engine) for about 5-10 min. This is to avoide the turbo will stoke sometimes with carbon dust.   My engine is 27 years old, 3200 h, Perkins T80.
Also I do not understand that you have not excellent Volvo mecanicans in the East Cost of US. Volvo is one of the leaders in marine engines and not only with cars. ( I 'm not Swedish, I'm Swiss 😉)
Keep loving sailing
Hanspeter
SM Owner with the same boat since 1995
SM16
Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 20.02.2017 um 15:43 schrieb JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Porter,
I am by no means an expert, but putting a combination of 30,000 some odd hours turning a combination of a Detroit 671, a cummins qsl 9 (electronic motor), and a cat 3406 aboard my various draggers, along with a 80hp ford lehman aboard my oyster barge, not counting Spirit with it's Volvo 110 d3, I've seen my share of black smoke.
Diesels are meant to be run, and run hard.
Best advise, run your boat like you're stealing it 15 minutes every day.
I normally see a puff of black smoke whenever I start up my dragger , especially in colder weather. Can't say I've seen it happen when I start up the Volvo aboard Spirit.
As a side note:
I had a Volvo guy aboard Spirit while in Charleston back in January, due to an electrical issue with the motor. He explained to me that the first production of the 110 d3 is somewhat of a mystery to many Volvo technicians. The motor is a bit of a hermaphrodite(sp?). The service manager himself came aboard to work on the motor. He located the short.
Good Luck!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14






On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

Thanks again. 

Porter




On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowne rs] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane, 

I am 99.9% sure that Amel installed an accumulator tank on the hot side of the water heater. If it is not there, then somewhere there should be a capped line. I do not remember the exact location on SM387, but Amel secured it with a white bungee cord and it was behind the water heater, or to the port side of the engine compartment. You should find a hot water distribution manifold on the engine room aft bulkhead. One of those hoses went (goes to) the accumulator.

I will email you the instructions. In the mean time, look at the photos here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=water%20heater#zax/albums_1810067720

Bill
X-BeBe

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:22 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


I'm uploadinEg a video, may take a while though.

I don't see an accumulator anywhere around the water heater.  I can feel the water leak from the bottom to the top (opposite the connections) of the heater.  The top joint has some pretty obvious water leaks.  I can see a drip every three seconds when looking aft under the generator coming from the lower mounting point of the genny.

I'd appreciate the removal instructions.

All the best from Peggy and I,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Equipment failures are wonderful teachers, when accompanied by beer...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Hanspeter,

I agree with your advice regarding RPM...and, if age had anything to do with participating in this forum, I would have to quit.

The issue with Volvo mechanics completely understanding the newer D3-110 is a common issue worldwide. Even the Volvo test equipment will not identify system faults in some cases. From what I know about this issue, it seems as though the initial programming of the onboard engine control computer has issues, but more than that, with the introduction of this engine Volvo mechanics had to move from being diesel engine mechanics in a completely analog and mechanical world to being diesel mechanics with an engine controled by software in an onboard computer connected to sensors and also connected electronically to mechanical valves and gates controlling fuel, air, timing, etc. It is very understandable that some owners of the D3-110 give up and replace the engine.

From what I hear, this is improving, and newer model Volvos have not had all of the same problems. If I had to decide between the rebuilding of an older pre-computer controled diesel engine or buying a new computer controled engine, I would pay more to rebuild than the cost of new.

Also, not all D3-110 owners have suffered the "unsolved mysteries" that this engine has presented to others.

I hope this clears things up.

Best,

Bill
Ex-BeBe

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:03 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

To all and specially to the new Amel Owners
Do not what Jeff Spirt is telling us. Absolutly nonsens. Keep your engine in moderate motoring conditions. Not motoring days with full speed. Advice; independent which engine; after lets say 10 hours of motoring or more( 1800-2200 rmp) ,I incease the rmp to 2600-2800 ( my engine) for about 5-10 min. This is to avoide the turbo will stoke sometimes with carbon dust.   My engine is 27 years old, 3200 h, Perkins T80.
Also I do not understand that you have not excellent Volvo mecanicans in the East Cost of US. Volvo is one of the leaders in marine engines and not only with cars. ( I 'm not Swedish, I'm Swiss 😉)
Keep loving sailing
Hanspeter
SM Owner with the same boat since 1995
SM16
Tamango 2

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Am 20.02.2017 um 15:43 schrieb JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

 

Porter,
I am by no means an expert, but putting a combination of 30,000 some odd hours turning a combination of a Detroit 671, a cummins qsl 9 (electronic motor), and a cat 3406 aboard my various draggers, along with a 80hp ford lehman aboard my oyster barge, not counting Spirit with it's Volvo 110 d3, I've seen my share of black smoke.
Diesels are meant to be run, and run hard.
Best advise, run your boat like you're stealing it 15 minutes every day.
I normally see a puff of black smoke whenever I start up my dragger , especially in colder weather. Can't say I've seen it happen when I start up the Volvo aboard Spirit.
As a side note:
I had a Volvo guy aboard Spirit while in Charleston back in January, due to an electrical issue with the motor. He explained to me that the first production of the 110 d3 is somewhat of a mystery to many Volvo technicians. The motor is a bit of a hermaphrodite(sp?). The service manager himself came aboard to work on the motor. He located the short.
Good Luck!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14






On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

Thanks again. 

Porter




On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowne rs] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

hanspeter baettig
 

To all
Sorry I fogot something. Not to get the impression I'm too old to patricipate in this forum with technical questions . I bought Tamango 2 when I was 38 years old.
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 20.02.2017 um 22:03 schrieb 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

To all and specially to the new Amel Owners
Do not what Jeff Spirt is telling us. Absolutly nonsens. Keep your engine in moderate motoring conditions. Not motoring days with full speed. Advice; independent which engine; after lets say 10 hours of motoring or more( 1800-2200 rmp) ,I incease the rmp to 2600-2800 ( my engine) for about 5-10 min. This is to avoide the turbo will stoke sometimes with carbon dust.   My engine is 27 years old, 3200 h, Perkins T80.
Also I do not understand that you have not excellent Volvo mecanicans in the East Cost of US. Volvo is one of the leaders in marine engines and not only with cars. ( I 'm not Swedish, I'm Swiss 😉)
Keep loving sailing
Hanspeter
SM Owner with the same boat since 1995
SM16
Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 20.02.2017 um 15:43 schrieb JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Porter,
I am by no means an expert, but putting a combination of 30,000 some odd hours turning a combination of a Detroit 671, a cummins qsl 9 (electronic motor), and a cat 3406 aboard my various draggers, along with a 80hp ford lehman aboard my oyster barge, not counting Spirit with it's Volvo 110 d3, I've seen my share of black smoke.
Diesels are meant to be run, and run hard.
Best advise, run your boat like you're stealing it 15 minutes every day.
I normally see a puff of black smoke whenever I start up my dragger , especially in colder weather. Can't say I've seen it happen when I start up the Volvo aboard Spirit.
As a side note:
I had a Volvo guy aboard Spirit while in Charleston back in January, due to an electrical issue with the motor. He explained to me that the first production of the 110 d3 is somewhat of a mystery to many Volvo technicians. The motor is a bit of a hermaphrodite(sp?). The service manager himself came aboard to work on the motor. He located the short.
Good Luck!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14






On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

Thanks again. 

Porter




On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowne rs] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

I'm uploadinEg a video, may take a while though.

I don't see an accumulator anywhere around the water heater.  I can feel the water leak from the bottom to the top (opposite the connections) of the heater.  The top joint has some pretty obvious water leaks.  I can see a drip every three seconds when looking aft under the generator coming from the lower mounting point of the genny.

I'd appreciate the removal instructions.

All the best from Peggy and I,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Equipment failures are wonderful teachers, when accompanied by beer...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

hanspeter baettig
 

To all and specially to the new Amel Owners
Do not what Jeff Spirt is telling us. Absolutly nonsens. Keep your engine in moderate motoring conditions. Not motoring days with full speed. Advice; independent which engine; after lets say 10 hours of motoring or more( 1800-2200 rmp) ,I incease the rmp to 2600-2800 ( my engine) for about 5-10 min. This is to avoide the turbo will stoke sometimes with carbon dust.   My engine is 27 years old, 3200 h, Perkins T80.
Also I do not understand that you have not excellent Volvo mecanicans in the East Cost of US. Volvo is one of the leaders in marine engines and not only with cars. ( I 'm not Swedish, I'm Swiss 😉)
Keep loving sailing
Hanspeter
SM Owner with the same boat since 1995
SM16
Tamango 2

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 20.02.2017 um 15:43 schrieb JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Porter,
I am by no means an expert, but putting a combination of 30,000 some odd hours turning a combination of a Detroit 671, a cummins qsl 9 (electronic motor), and a cat 3406 aboard my various draggers, along with a 80hp ford lehman aboard my oyster barge, not counting Spirit with it's Volvo 110 d3, I've seen my share of black smoke.
Diesels are meant to be run, and run hard.
Best advise, run your boat like you're stealing it 15 minutes every day.
I normally see a puff of black smoke whenever I start up my dragger , especially in colder weather. Can't say I've seen it happen when I start up the Volvo aboard Spirit.
As a side note:
I had a Volvo guy aboard Spirit while in Charleston back in January, due to an electrical issue with the motor. He explained to me that the first production of the 110 d3 is somewhat of a mystery to many Volvo technicians. The motor is a bit of a hermaphrodite(sp?). The service manager himself came aboard to work on the motor. He located the short.
Good Luck!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14






On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 08:15 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

I should have added to the initial post. The day of the "puff" was in the middle of a multi month long sail for the owner. Just first start of that day.  The engine had been run every day for months. 

Speaking c JP he confirms a quite knowledgeable Volvo diesel mechanic runs a Volvo aftermarket shop in the marina in la Marin in Martinique 

I would imagine he'd have good insight. 

Thanks again. 

Porter




On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, biohead@... [amelyachtowne rs] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
Agreed. I took Dave's concerns not as a diagnosis of cause but just noting an irregularity. Since then I have run both engines many times and not seen a repeat of the survey puff and sheen...so I think I am ok. Porter will need to look at the recent run time history of the boat to see if this is just an artifact of an unused vessel that will go away with more frequent activity.

Oh, and Mark, thank you for reccomending Dave. He was great.

Regards, John
Vent de Soleil SM37
Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane, 

Before you remove the water heater, have you checked the expansion tank which is located behind the water heater...it probably has a hole in it.

Let me know.

I will send you instructions for replacing the water heater.

Bill
X-BeBe
Galveston

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have a water leak near the top (opposite the connections) of the water heater.  The connections are not leaking!  I assume the leak is in the tank, so a replacement is in order.


In looking over how to get this 16" diameter by 25" long object out, it looks like I have to remove the wiring box for the Onan Genset (where the breakers are).


Is there any other way?


Anyone else have a leak near the top of the water heater?  I have a glimmer of a hope there's a seal there that's blown but I'm doubtful.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer SM#477


Learning all the boats systems one failure at a time!



Need to replace Isotemp Basic 40 - how to get it out?

Duane Siegfri
 

I have a water leak near the top (opposite the connections) of the water heater.  The connections are not leaking!  I assume the leak is in the tank, so a replacement is in order.


In looking over how to get this 16" diameter by 25" long object out, it looks like I have to remove the wiring box for the Onan Genset (where the breakers are).


Is there any other way?


Anyone else have a leak near the top of the water heater?  I have a glimmer of a hope there's a seal there that's blown but I'm doubtful.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer SM#477


Learning all the boats systems one failure at a time!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Smoking Gun...

JEFFREY KRAUS