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Re: Masse negative leak

CW Bill Rouse
 

Ofer & Nick,

Remember, the minus Masse Light means there is a connection between 24-volts negative to the Amel bonding system. The most common issue is a Jabsco Macerator pump that has developed a leak at the seal, causing a connection to the Amel Bonding. Start by disconnecting the green/yellow wire from each macerator pump. If the light no longer comes ON, you have found it. Replace that macerator pump and reconnect the green/yellow wires.

If it was not the macerator pump and the light is ON for the (-) side, it is more difficult because the individual 24-volt breakers only turn OFF the positive side (+). For a negative side (-) Masse fault, you will need to disconnect the negative wires from the negative main battery switch. On most Amels, this is the lower switch. When the light goes out, you have narrowed your search to one main circuit.

If the (+) side is ON, try turning OFF each breaker throughout the boat one at a time. Don't forget breakers for the windlass, winches, and breakers in the engine room. Do this with all breakers.

I hope this helps you.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:32 PM ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:
Hi Nick,
We had the same problem.
It took long time to solve , because the light was not always ON.

The way to find where  a bad contact between the minus and the grounding system is, is to start from the main switches near the batteries, disconnect each of the cables while checking the light. Ones you find a cable that if  disconnected the is OFF, look for the equipment down the cable and check the contacts and put corrosion x.
We found the problem in the forward locker . We had a leak of water from the new Bad! installed windlass rubber deck switches that created humidity on all electrical motors in the locker.

Good luck with the challenge.
You can call me if you want more info.



Ofer Magen
A 54 160 2010
Cyprus.
+972528795540
Re: Any data on B&G displays

CW Bill Rouse
 

Stefan,

I had it all this time but had forgotten about the fuse & the battery on the mainboard in the Hydra 2000. I suspect something similar in the H3000.

Does this look like what you saw?

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 3:40 PM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Stefan,

Perfect. If you ever are able to take a photo, I really need one for my book. 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:19 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Bill, 
It’s the Hydra 2000 from 2002. 
I have also missed the fuse in my technical data.

Stefan 


On 21. Jul 2020, at 09:34, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stefan,

Can you tell me what model B&G Hydra you have i.e. Hercules, Hydra, Hydra 2000, etc? Or what year? The reason I ask is the technical information I have on the Hydra 2000 does not show a fuse. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:42 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Sorry Bill,
everything is already reassembled but I think about to take photos next time.
I opened  the processor box, wich is right behind the B&G Hydra 2000 MFD, with the 4 screws and there you can see the little 1 amp glass fuse easily. This fuse protects all 4 display devices and the masthead unit as well.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444




On 20. Jul 2020, at 18:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stephan,

Can you take a photo of the fuse location?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi Elja!

Today we checked the processor Blackbox. There we found a 50 cent blowing out fuse.
That’s it. 
The system is working probably and we placed a spare fuse for the next failure with tape outside on the processor box.
If you got some of these problems with your new old system again, just check the fuse. After 18 years they are allowed to blow away sometimes.

Good luck 

Stefan 

SM OYA, 
373, lonesome in the Tobago Cays 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444

On 18. Jul 2020, at 09:40, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He Stefan last week i have the same problem , i maild and fone some houers  with B&g  on the end is the processor takes the data in give it to the digital unit but not to the analog units . The think like bill the processor is after 22 jaers on the end .
I make a post in the facebook groop , i am lucky and one menber sell me his old one compleat sythem
Try it also

Best Elja
SM Balu 222


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Re: Any data on B&G displays

CW Bill Rouse
 

Stefan,

Perfect. If you ever are able to take a photo, I really need one for my book. 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:19 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Bill, 
It’s the Hydra 2000 from 2002. 
I have also missed the fuse in my technical data.

Stefan 


On 21. Jul 2020, at 09:34, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stefan,

Can you tell me what model B&G Hydra you have i.e. Hercules, Hydra, Hydra 2000, etc? Or what year? The reason I ask is the technical information I have on the Hydra 2000 does not show a fuse. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:42 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Sorry Bill,
everything is already reassembled but I think about to take photos next time.
I opened  the processor box, wich is right behind the B&G Hydra 2000 MFD, with the 4 screws and there you can see the little 1 amp glass fuse easily. This fuse protects all 4 display devices and the masthead unit as well.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444




On 20. Jul 2020, at 18:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stephan,

Can you take a photo of the fuse location?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi Elja!

Today we checked the processor Blackbox. There we found a 50 cent blowing out fuse.
That’s it. 
The system is working probably and we placed a spare fuse for the next failure with tape outside on the processor box.
If you got some of these problems with your new old system again, just check the fuse. After 18 years they are allowed to blow away sometimes.

Good luck 

Stefan 

SM OYA, 
373, lonesome in the Tobago Cays 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444

On 18. Jul 2020, at 09:40, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He Stefan last week i have the same problem , i maild and fone some houers  with B&g  on the end is the processor takes the data in give it to the digital unit but not to the analog units . The think like bill the processor is after 22 jaers on the end .
I make a post in the facebook groop , i am lucky and one menber sell me his old one compleat sythem
Try it also

Best Elja
SM Balu 222


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Re: Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig, They did ,but they were never able to get the company to place the order and Karen and Bill gave up on it. I stayed in contact with Bill as I was anxious to place an order, because I am repainting my boat and need to know if I can take off the old rubrail. I have waited so long that they are now sanding the boat and things are not finalized. But I have faith that is order will go thru quickly.  I will include you on the list to order. Email me direct with your info.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Re: Rub rail purchase

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Hi Pat,
I see Karen was estimating < $900.  We'll not need as much length as you (SN vs SM) - I'll measure it. I see Techno is in Miami, so I can just pick it up and won't need shipping.
Thanks,
Craig
Re: Masse negative leak

ofer magen
 

Hi Nick,
We had the same problem.
It took long time to solve , because the light was not always ON.

The way to find where  a bad contact between the minus and the grounding system is, is to start from the main switches near the batteries, disconnect each of the cables while checking the light. Ones you find a cable that if  disconnected the is OFF, look for the equipment down the cable and check the contacts and put corrosion x.
We found the problem in the forward locker . We had a leak of water from the new Bad! installed windlass rubber deck switches that created humidity on all electrical motors in the locker.

Good luck with the challenge.
You can call me if you want more info.



Ofer Magen
A 54 160 2010
Cyprus.
+972528795540
Rub rail purchase

Patrick McAneny
 

I have sent a cross section of my rubrail ,from my Super Maramu to Techno Rubber Industries in Fla. ,they will produce a die and sample for my inspection . I intend to place an order as soon as I receive the sample and final pricing. The die will cost me $450.00 ,the rub rail will run somewhere around $11 per ft. ,roughly $1200. The more boats ordering would bring the price down and I would like to share the cost of the die. The rub rail would be slightly off white. Another owner of a Mango has already purchased from this company and was happy with the service and product. Shipping to Maryland where I live is roughly estimated to be about $200.
So if anyone would like to join me in a group buy ,please email me at , sailw32@... . I will give the final number of orders to the company as soon as I get the sample from them. They will then give me a final price based on the number of orders ,the more the less. I will probably place the order within the next ten days,so please get back to me ASAP.
Thanks,
Pat McAneny
SM Shenanigans #123
Re: Masse negative leak

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Arno, 
I checked to bowthruster, I took off the bonding wire but alas no problem there. Tomorrow I will have a check of the windlasses but I did not see a bonding (green/yellow) cable to them.
Anyhow it looks like this will take some time. 
I would have thought the most likely candidates are electric motors with carbon brushes. 

I am impressed by the Amel engineering In general but the bonding is very crude, stripped off cable hose clamped to pipe work does not really do it for me.

However “be to their virtues ever kind and their faults a little blind” comes to mind.

Nick
Amelia stern to in Finikas Siros whilst the Meltemi howls.
AML54-019

On 21 Jul 2020, at 18:25, NICK NEWINGTON <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,
I checked that just now, alas it is not the speaker jack.
But thanks
Nick
Amelia 54-019 in Siros


On 21 Jul 2020, at 14:51, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,

Check the Anchor Winch(es). They are susceptible for these problem given their exposure to salt.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Masse negative leak

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Paul,
I checked that just now, alas it is not the speaker jack.
But thanks
Nick
Amelia 54-019 in Siros


On 21 Jul 2020, at 14:51, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,

Check the Anchor Winch(es). They are susceptible for these problem given their exposure to salt.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Any data on B&G displays

Stefan and Anne Deerberg
 

Bill, 
It’s the Hydra 2000 from 2002. 
I have also missed the fuse in my technical data.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444
stefan.deerberg@...
www.deerberg.de



On 21. Jul 2020, at 09:34, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stefan,

Can you tell me what model B&G Hydra you have i.e. Hercules, Hydra, Hydra 2000, etc? Or what year? The reason I ask is the technical information I have on the Hydra 2000 does not show a fuse. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:42 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Sorry Bill,
everything is already reassembled but I think about to take photos next time.
I opened  the processor box, wich is right behind the B&G Hydra 2000 MFD, with the 4 screws and there you can see the little 1 amp glass fuse easily. This fuse protects all 4 display devices and the masthead unit as well.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444




On 20. Jul 2020, at 18:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stephan,

Can you take a photo of the fuse location?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi Elja!

Today we checked the processor Blackbox. There we found a 50 cent blowing out fuse.
That’s it. 
The system is working probably and we placed a spare fuse for the next failure with tape outside on the processor box.
If you got some of these problems with your new old system again, just check the fuse. After 18 years they are allowed to blow away sometimes.

Good luck 

Stefan 

SM OYA, 
373, lonesome in the Tobago Cays 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444

On 18. Jul 2020, at 09:40, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He Stefan last week i have the same problem , i maild and fone some houers  with B&g  on the end is the processor takes the data in give it to the digital unit but not to the analog units . The think like bill the processor is after 22 jaers on the end .
I make a post in the facebook groop , i am lucky and one menber sell me his old one compleat sythem
Try it also

Best Elja
SM Balu 222


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Re: TV Lift Amel 54 - replacing wireless by manual switch

Courtney Gorman
 

David look on the wall of the cabinet behind the more aft chair there should be manual buttons there 
Cheers 


On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:04 AM, David Crisp <david@...> wrote:

I want to by pass the wireless control of the TV lift on my Amel 54 with a manual switch.  Has anyone else done this if so do you have any advice/wiring diagrams?

Does anyone have a wiring diagram or installation manual for the TV lift - Symphony & Sea model 7020 with a Symphony & Sea EC4R phantom control unit. I'm trying to figure out how it works and hence how to bypass the wireless control.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58

Re: Any data on B&G displays

CW Bill Rouse
 

Stefan,

Can you tell me what model B&G Hydra you have i.e. Hercules, Hydra, Hydra 2000, etc? Or what year? The reason I ask is the technical information I have on the Hydra 2000 does not show a fuse. 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:42 AM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Sorry Bill,
everything is already reassembled but I think about to take photos next time.
I opened  the processor box, wich is right behind the B&G Hydra 2000 MFD, with the 4 screws and there you can see the little 1 amp glass fuse easily. This fuse protects all 4 display devices and the masthead unit as well.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444




On 20. Jul 2020, at 18:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stephan,

Can you take a photo of the fuse location?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi Elja!

Today we checked the processor Blackbox. There we found a 50 cent blowing out fuse.
That’s it. 
The system is working probably and we placed a spare fuse for the next failure with tape outside on the processor box.
If you got some of these problems with your new old system again, just check the fuse. After 18 years they are allowed to blow away sometimes.

Good luck 

Stefan 

SM OYA, 
373, lonesome in the Tobago Cays 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444

On 18. Jul 2020, at 09:40, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He Stefan last week i have the same problem , i maild and fone some houers  with B&g  on the end is the processor takes the data in give it to the digital unit but not to the analog units . The think like bill the processor is after 22 jaers on the end .
I make a post in the facebook groop , i am lucky and one menber sell me his old one compleat sythem
Try it also

Best Elja
SM Balu 222


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TV Lift Amel 54 - replacing wireless by manual switch

David Crisp
 

I want to by pass the wireless control of the TV lift on my Amel 54 with a manual switch.  Has anyone else done this if so do you have any advice/wiring diagrams?

Does anyone have a wiring diagram or installation manual for the TV lift - Symphony & Sea model 7020 with a Symphony & Sea EC4R phantom control unit. I'm trying to figure out how it works and hence how to bypass the wireless control.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58
Re: Any data on B&G displays

Stefan and Anne Deerberg
 

Sorry Bill,
everything is already reassembled but I think about to take photos next time.
I opened  the processor box, wich is right behind the B&G Hydra 2000 MFD, with the 4 screws and there you can see the little 1 amp glass fuse easily. This fuse protects all 4 display devices and the masthead unit as well.

Stefan 


Mobil: +49 172 7757444
stefan.deerberg@...




On 20. Jul 2020, at 18:17, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Stephan,

Can you take a photo of the fuse location?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi Elja!

Today we checked the processor Blackbox. There we found a 50 cent blowing out fuse.
That’s it. 
The system is working probably and we placed a spare fuse for the next failure with tape outside on the processor box.
If you got some of these problems with your new old system again, just check the fuse. After 18 years they are allowed to blow away sometimes.

Good luck 

Stefan 

SM OYA, 
373, lonesome in the Tobago Cays 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444

On 18. Jul 2020, at 09:40, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

He Stefan last week i have the same problem , i maild and fone some houers  with B&g  on the end is the processor takes the data in give it to the digital unit but not to the analog units . The think like bill the processor is after 22 jaers on the end .
I make a post in the facebook groop , i am lucky and one menber sell me his old one compleat sythem
Try it also

Best Elja
SM Balu 222


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Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

CW Bill Rouse
 

Thanks, Arno for clearing this up.

And, regardless which model Amel you own, Amel suggests while running using the bow thruster, you always have the generator running with maximum battery chargers ON.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 6:48 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Ken,

About the current draw from the batteries. Don’t forget you are running 6 pairs in parallel. So each battery only has to supply 80 Amps to get to 400 Amps. 80 Amps is not excessive, even for a AGM battery. It would be if you keep doing it for 10 minutes or more.
So the battery bank is well laid out for supplying that kind of current. Your starter battery has a harder time starting the engine.
The problem starts when your batteries get old. At that point the internal resistance of the pairs becomes uneven and you will see some batteries working much harder on the current draw then others.
In case of AGM batteries, keep an eye on the individual voltages of your batteries if a pair gets out of balance it may be an indication of a bad battery. Isolate the pair and see what their voltage in rest  is. Anything below 12.2 is bad for charged batteries.
For lithium the BMS should take care of balancing the batteries and very few people know what these things do in the long run.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: sm 53 vs 54

CW Bill Rouse
 

jfpottercys"@"att.net

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 4:57 AM Bryce Procter via groups.io <Balibryce=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
How can I get hold of Joel? I believe he is the agent for an Amel a friend of mine is interested in.
Thanks in advance.

Regards

SV Seamaster II
SM 2000 467




On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:22 AM +0800, "Courtney Gorman via groups.io" <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Contact Joel Potter he is a wealth of information 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin
54#101


On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



James,

 

Things like, how many people in the family or sailing solo, where do you plan to sail, do you want turn-key or fixer-upper, etc.? People can then offer more tailored answers. What some people see as a pro or con may be completely different to you. For example, the main reason I would not want a 54 is it is powered by Volvo. But, if you differ in your opinion of Volvo engines, then me stating this is to you is futile. Hopefully you see my point. This is really like asking people which anchor they prefer.

 

Also, most of what you are asking can be answered by using the search feature of this group. There are several posts detailing the differences between Amels.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:21 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

 

Not quite sure what details would help.   Just want to know from the group that knows the most about Amels, pros cons of the 53 vs the 54 for someone who is shopping.  Is the 54 obviously better and worth the extra money?  Little things like the switch to Bowmar furlers, that now have developed a reputation of not being as good as the Amel made ones on the 53....etc

 

Basically for a person that doesn't know as much , or have as much experience with Amels as you do, which would you prefer and why?

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:12:52 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

 

James,

 

I think you need to provide more detail if you want helpful answers.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

 

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

 

Thanks for your help
Re: Masse negative leak

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Nick,

Check the Anchor Winch(es). They are susceptible for these problem given their exposure to salt.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Ken,

About the current draw from the batteries. Don’t forget you are running 6 pairs in parallel. So each battery only has to supply 80 Amps to get to 400 Amps. 80 Amps is not excessive, even for a AGM battery. It would be if you keep doing it for 10 minutes or more.
So the battery bank is well laid out for supplying that kind of current. Your starter battery has a harder time starting the engine.
The problem starts when your batteries get old. At that point the internal resistance of the pairs becomes uneven and you will see some batteries working much harder on the current draw then others.
In case of AGM batteries, keep an eye on the individual voltages of your batteries if a pair gets out of balance it may be an indication of a bad battery. Isolate the pair and see what their voltage in rest  is. Anything below 12.2 is bad for charged batteries.
For lithium the BMS should take care of balancing the batteries and very few people know what these things do in the long run.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: sm 53 vs 54

Bryce Procter
 

Thanks Brent,




On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 6:08 PM +0800, "Brent Cameron" <brentcameron61@...> wrote:

Joel can be reached at:
Joel Potter <jfpottercys@...>
(954) 462-5869

Brent
On Jul 2, 2020, 2:22 PM -0400, aol.com@groups.io, wrote:

Trippin

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
Re: sm 53 vs 54

Brent Cameron
 

Joel can be reached at:
Joel Potter <jfpottercys@...>
(954) 462-5869

Brent

On Jul 2, 2020, 2:22 PM -0400, aol.com@groups.io, wrote:

Trippin

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
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