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Re: New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

karkauai
 

Bill

I can't find the file uploaded by Steve Bell for engine room hatch repair. I clicked on the link in the notification email which took me to Files, but I can't find it.

Help!
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Apr 25, 2020 6:30 PM, "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main+notification@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> wrote:

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io group.

Uploaded By: steve b <stevect@...>

Description:
Repair of engine hatch bulges

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team



Re: Top loading galley fridge/freezer used as a fridge: No?

Jamie Wendell
 

Scott, congratulations on your crossing to Hawaii. Sorry you had to cancel the world tour - maybe another chance next year?

I converted to Coastal digital controls and use the top-loader as a very cold refrigerator. I keep it just about -1 degree C all the time to keep drinks and vegetables mostly.
I get very little water inside over time, but I do get some ice buildup on the evaporator plates given my colder settings. Every few weeks I shut down and defrost and find mostly vegetable remains in the bottom.

It never smells, but as I read in a response to another email about the hydraulic strut for the lid, I had to replace the strut (through Amel in La Rochelle). It is too powerful, and I have the larger lid. I intend to replace again with the one recommended in the posting.

Safe travels or is Hawaii your POC for now?

Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Re: Top loading galley fridge/freezer used as a fridge: No?

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello,

I was so annoyed by the fridge freezer that I took it into parts and replaced the humid insulation. You can see me doing this job in my video on our youtube. 
But its a hell of a job. 
In our case the stainless was watertight, build #39. Where its not watertight and water gets under it is at the hole for the cooling pipes.

What I would suggest as a minimal efford with huge effect is to replace the seal. 
We remouved the old seal. 
I got stripes of magnetic stainless and glued it on the topegdge of the stainless bassin where the old seal was.
We ordered a custum sized, screw fixed freezer seal. (cheap its about 40 euros)
This seal is fixed with screws (dipped in sikaflex) to the top lid. 

When the seal is fixed on the top, like on any comercial product, it does not move. 
Additional the comercial standard magnetic seal produces and airtight seal. 
The only moment when humidity enters is when we open the lid. 

Hope that helps. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 
Martinique 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 16:02 Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:

Except for the seal movement (need to check when I am back on the boat) my experience is the same as Arno. I also have the raised “grill” type platform on the bottom & agree with his analysis on the cause of the water accumulation.

I have the small opening.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 27, 2020 13:02:23

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:50
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Top loading galley fridge/freezer used as a fridge: No?

 

Hi Scott,

We use our galley-top-fridge/freezer as fridge 100% of the time. It does accumulate water on the bottom, because of this ours has a raised bottom with holes in it to keep stuff dry. Every time you open the box, humid air will get into it and eventually end up as condensation at the bottom. We have some problems with the seals, specifically the one in the back because the lid tries to push it away (to the back) when you close it. At some point the seal will detach from the fridge-box. I replaced the double-sided sticky-tape to re-attach it and I'm now using some Vaseline on the seal so the lid can slide over the seal more easy when it's closing.
Apart from this every few weeks I remove the collected water from the bottom. As far as I can detect the box itself is waterproof so water does not leak into the insulation. I have no annoying smells from the fridge.

Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Top loading galley fridge/freezer used as a fridge: No?

Teun BAAS
 

Except for the seal movement (need to check when I am back on the boat) my experience is the same as Arno. I also have the raised “grill” type platform on the bottom & agree with his analysis on the cause of the water accumulation.

I have the small opening.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 27, 2020 13:02:23

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:50
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Top loading galley fridge/freezer used as a fridge: No?

 

Hi Scott,

We use our galley-top-fridge/freezer as fridge 100% of the time. It does accumulate water on the bottom, because of this ours has a raised bottom with holes in it to keep stuff dry. Every time you open the box, humid air will get into it and eventually end up as condensation at the bottom. We have some problems with the seals, specifically the one in the back because the lid tries to push it away (to the back) when you close it. At some point the seal will detach from the fridge-box. I replaced the double-sided sticky-tape to re-attach it and I'm now using some Vaseline on the seal so the lid can slide over the seal more easy when it's closing.
Apart from this every few weeks I remove the collected water from the bottom. As far as I can detect the box itself is waterproof so water does not leak into the insulation. I have no annoying smells from the fridge.

Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Top loading galley fridge/freezer used as a fridge: No?

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

We use our galley-top-fridge/freezer as fridge 100% of the time. It does accumulate water on the bottom, because of this ours has a raised bottom with holes in it to keep stuff dry. Every time you open the box, humid air will get into it and eventually end up as condensation at the bottom. We have some problems with the seals, specifically the one in the back because the lid tries to push it away (to the back) when you close it. At some point the seal will detach from the fridge-box. I replaced the double-sided sticky-tape to re-attach it and I'm now using some Vaseline on the seal so the lid can slide over the seal more easy when it's closing.
Apart from this every few weeks I remove the collected water from the bottom. As far as I can detect the box itself is waterproof so water does not leak into the insulation. I have no annoying smells from the fridge.

Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: would someone please explain how this works?

 

Thanks Gary,

He mentioned the "differential girdle spring" on the upper end of the grammeters. This must be an early video because the differential girdle spring was found to be a problem and later replaced by the non-differential version of the same spring.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:20 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
Rockwell did an in depth training video on their new and improved "RetroEncabulator".  I think you'll find all your questions answered ...  here: 
.
https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w
.
.Cheers!  


Re: Lewmar acrylic lens replacement on Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Teun,
Your boat "Amelit" has a fantastic sailing history. I followed the videos before we bought our 54 in 2015. I can imagine what the sun in the Pacific did to the rubbers, glad you were able to fix the seals.
I like the idea of putting a film over the lens, will look into that.
I have worked out the sizes, some traders are putting wrong lens sizes on the internet.
Lewmar grey and smoke grey lenses are what is confusing, the grey is what looks like on our boat as pink. Complete new hatches from Lewmar are not polished aluminum and are smoke grey.
By the time you add new pins, screw fittings to the replacement acrylic lens from Lewmar and then add the  labour cost you are at the complete hatch price. You can get the acrylic lens cut but then you still need the other bits, seal, pins, screws.
Looks like I will have some new base frames available if anyone on the forum might need them.

I thank all for the advise and information.

Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 1:47:13 PM EDT, Wolfgang Weber via groups.io <webercardio@...> wrote:


Hi Arno,
it is the  3M  Silver 15  exterior - see data attached. I bought 3,0 m x 0,914 m  for 76 € online. Years before I used  no-name product which was blind after 1 year. Especially the captains cabin got very hot before I made the 3M on the Lewmar Acrylic lens. It only reduces a little bit of light - see data.
Installation is easy- spray bottle with little soap. Before you polish the acrylic lens, handles etc screwed off, spray both - 3M and acrylic lens with watersprayer, with 4 hands put 3M on window, push away the water with creditcard. you will be better after 4 hatches.
Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Top loading galley fridge/freezer used as a fridge: No?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

Hope you're all doing well and staying healthy. Our A54 has a swing-door fridge (we replaced the original with a larger MS160 model with hidden evaporator plate), the galley top loading fridge/freezer and then the settee fridge/freezer.  My question is related to the galley top loading fridge/freezer.

Our normal M.O. is that we use all 3 of them. The 160l stainless one is used as a fridge, the settee unit is used as a freezer and the galley top loader we use as a "fruit and vegetable" fridge set on 3 of 9. The problem we're having is that the galley top loader accumulates a decent amount of water in the bottom as it doesn't have a drain and eventually smells REALLY bad. We've used the shop vac to dry it out, cleaned it in bleach, etc. but it appears the box is NOT waterproof in the sense that after flushing it out with bleach water, over the course of the next few hours, water appears to migrate INTO the stainless insides of the box. I presume that must mean the initial flush water flowed out through the corner seams (into the insulation!?!) and then is flowing back in through the corner seams. 

Does anyone else use it as a fridge?  We've tried to adjust the lid to seal it tighter, but the seal area still gets wet and water accumulation still occurs inside the box itself. Is it simply not designed to be used as a fridge?

As an aside: We just arrived in Hawaii from Panama (4848 nautical miles, 31 days!) after first abandoning our Galapagos plans and then abandoning our French Polynesia plans as country after country closed their borders. Our A54 performed admirably and despite very light winds for the first two weeks (much use of the code 0 and the Parasailor), we arrived with 600 liters of diesel! Our little tweaks to energy usage dropped our generator usage down a lot compared to our Atlantic crossing. We ran it 45 minutes every 2-3 days despite running 2 fridges and a freezer and the water maker. Nothing broke and we had a week where we covered between 170-195 miles per day. It was passages like this that make me love our Amel even more!

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: would someone please explain how this works?

Gary Wells
 

Rockwell did an in depth training video on their new and improved "RetroEncabulator".  I think you'll find all your questions answered ...  here: 
.
https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w
.
.Cheers!  


Re: Lewmar acrylic lens replacement on Amel 54

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Arno,
it is the  3M  Silver 15  exterior - see data attached. I bought 3,0 m x 0,914 m  for 76 € online. Years before I used  no-name product which was blind after 1 year. Especially the captains cabin got very hot before I made the 3M on the Lewmar Acrylic lens. It only reduces a little bit of light - see data.
Installation is easy- spray bottle with little soap. Before you polish the acrylic lens, handles etc screwed off, spray both - 3M and acrylic lens with watersprayer, with 4 hands put 3M on window, push away the water with creditcard. you will be better after 4 hatches.
Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Re: Lewmar acrylic lens replacement on Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Wolfgang,

What film did you use exactly? Where did you get it from? 3M has a huge selection of this kind of stuff but most seems to be unavailable to normal consumers.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


New file uploaded to main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main+notification@...>
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io group.

Uploaded By: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>

Description:
This new revision includes mainmast intermediates which were accidentally left out of the upload of 4-26-2020...also a few other minor changes.

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team


Re: ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here

Alexander Schenk
 

Many thanks Tilo also from me - was unable to join to technical difficulties...

Best
Alexander
SYAntinea
SM #231


On 27 Apr 2020, at 13:41, Tilo Peters <tilo.peters@...> wrote:

Hi Greg,

The URL for the meeting is https://youtu.be/7Mm1bbL-PaA

Best,

Tilo

On 27Apr, 2020, at 13:39, greg greg <41greg.marine@...> wrote:

wow! i didn't receive notification of meeting beginning, but would be happy to watch it on Youtube?
any urls available?


Re: ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here

Tilo Peters
 

Hi Greg,

The URL for the meeting is https://youtu.be/7Mm1bbL-PaA

Best,

Tilo

On 27Apr, 2020, at 13:39, greg greg <41greg.marine@...> wrote:

wow! i didn't receive notification of meeting beginning, but would be happy to watch it on Youtube?
any urls available?


Re: ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here

greg greg
 

wow! i didn't receive notification of meeting beginning, but would be happy to watch it on Youtube?
any urls available?


Re: Lewmar acrylic lens replacement on Amel 54

Wolfgang Weber
 






Hello to the group, 
I put 3m solarfilm on all hatches which reduces significant the cabin temperatures,  heat on the acrylic lens and rubberseals (tested with thermometer). If you use the internal sunprotection you produce a oven baking the seals. These films to fix with waterspray outside the acrylic lens is easy and can also be moved off very easy.
Stay healthy,  all the best from Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162


Re: Best location for solar panels

karkauai
 

Sorry for this late reply, Alin.I opted for an arch where I have 600 W in two pairs of 150 W panels, and two 1#5W panels (soft) on top of the bimini. Each pair has its own controller.
Unfortunately, there's almost always a shadow on one of the bimini pair and they produce almost nothing most days. If you go with bimini mounts, I suggest that you have separate controllers for each panel. I suspect that the same would be true of panels mounted on the cabin top just forward of the windscreen. If you are going to go Lithiumm and try to get by without running the generator most days, you will need more than 600W of solar power.
Good luck and let us know what you decide on.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Apr 23, 2020 5:41 PM, "Alin SM 283 via groups.io" <sv.wanderer@...> wrote:
Thank you all for your help, ideas, videos and valuable advice. It is great to have the luxury to learn from others without doing mistakes and waste money. Thank you! I am in between rail mounting and bimini top mounting. Aiming for 400-500w hopefully...

On Friday, 24 April 2020, 09:16:53 am NZST, Alin SM 283 via groups.io <sv.wanderer@...> wrote:


Thank you. Where on the deck area do they think to mount them?

On Thursday, 23 April 2020, 05:49:35 pm NZST, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Alin;

 

We have also looked for a while for a solution that does not include the Arch. We also intend on switching to Lithium batteries when our current Gel setup needs replacing in 2-3 years. So, we are making all upgrades that become necessary prior to the installation of the lithiums,. Our design concept is one that will be installed in stages but engineered for the final design. For example, our inverter gave out last season, so we are looking at installing the Victron 8000/220A Inverter/charger.

 

After many years of looking and analyzing, we have almost settled on a hardtop over the cockpit area. Solbian factory has designed the max wattage for the area, design, shading, etc. and has come up with about 900 Watts of deck mounted, flexible and walk on cells.

 

Our calculations show that after completion of the final concept and installation of the lithium batteries, we should be able to run the entire 24V and 220V systems on board (Not Simultaneously) on batteries and depending on sun conditions, minimal generator usage. We currently do not have solar and we have to run the generator twice per day at anchor.

 

This is a more costly approach than the Arch, but like you, we like the lines of 54 and wanted a complementary design that did not take away from her sleek lines.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alin SM 283 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:43 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Best location for solar panels

 

Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction.
Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu.
The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great
I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines.
My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. 
The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
Alin SV Wanderer



Re: ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here

 

Thanks, Greg. BTW of all of the riggers in the world, Nicky is the best. I have known Nicky Sammut since 2015. Nicky knows Amels. He has inspected and worked on the rigging of all Amel models from the Maramu to the 64. He has sailed as crew on Amels. Nicky has installed upgraded Bamar furlers on 54s. Nicky is one of the best riggers for Amels in the Mediterranean. Malta is a great location for a haulout before an Atlantic Crossing. Regardless of the age of your rigging, every owner should have a complete rigging inspection before the crossing.

Nicky’s Rigging & Marine ServicesVat no. 1881-2224Mobile +356 79271668Email. nickysail@...

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 6:26 PM Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:
Bill, 
I think that everyone has their own "Exchange of Knowledge" takeaways from these general discussions, and I would not be overly concerned about ploughing old ground. For example, you (and others) knew about Nicki (sp?) in Malta. I didn't and he is exactly the type of person I have been looking for to help with a mast rehabbing project, in Greece. I have E mailed Mohammed privately, asking for more details. 
Maybe the participants didn't uncover any new technical insights but "knowledge" is a pretty broad term and who knows what other "aha" moments may have come out of the meeting.
Although this is just the first one, have you thought about how to prevent the meetings from becoming hot air balloons, personal soap boxes or platforms for inappropriate commentary. The moderators perform this function in the written forum and I would think a light touch should be enough but it is exponentially more difficult in a real time situation
 


Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles





From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here
 
All,

In my opening remarks, I stated the purpose of our meeting should be 3-fold:
Social
Exchange of knowledge
Shakedown (Sea Trial) ZOOM for the future
I believe we accomplished 2 of the 3 goals, Social & Shakedown. Regarding my third goal, "Exchange of knowledge," there was not much new to me and longtime members of our Group because most of what was discussed in the two topics had already been discussed on the Group. However, for those new to Amel, the discussion on parts sourcing and standing rigging was possibly valuable. 

Over the coming weeks and as we get more input from members of our Group, we will be able to determine if we want to do this again and what changes we want to make to the structure of the meeting.  

A warm thank you to all that participated and to our ZOOM administrator Tilo Peters.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here

Gregory Shea
 

Bill, 
I think that everyone has their own "Exchange of Knowledge" takeaways from these general discussions, and I would not be overly concerned about ploughing old ground. For example, you (and others) knew about Nicki (sp?) in Malta. I didn't and he is exactly the type of person I have been looking for to help with a mast rehabbing project, in Greece. I have E mailed Mohammed privately, asking for more details. 
Maybe the participants didn't uncover any new technical insights but "knowledge" is a pretty broad term and who knows what other "aha" moments may have come out of the meeting.
Although this is just the first one, have you thought about how to prevent the meetings from becoming hot air balloons, personal soap boxes or platforms for inappropriate commentary. The moderators perform this function in the written forum and I would think a light touch should be enough but it is exponentially more difficult in a real time situation
 


Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles





From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here
 
All,

In my opening remarks, I stated the purpose of our meeting should be 3-fold:
Social
Exchange of knowledge
Shakedown (Sea Trial) ZOOM for the future
I believe we accomplished 2 of the 3 goals, Social & Shakedown. Regarding my third goal, "Exchange of knowledge," there was not much new to me and longtime members of our Group because most of what was discussed in the two topics had already been discussed on the Group. However, for those new to Amel, the discussion on parts sourcing and standing rigging was possibly valuable. 

Over the coming weeks and as we get more input from members of our Group, we will be able to determine if we want to do this again and what changes we want to make to the structure of the meeting.  

A warm thank you to all that participated and to our ZOOM administrator Tilo Peters.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: would someone please explain how this works?

Scott Williams
 

Six muns ago, I couldn't even spell injuneering - now I are one…


rgds


Scott Williams
Future Amel Owner

Sent from Surface

From: Robert Giroux
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎26‎ ‎April‎ ‎2020 ‎11‎:‎16‎ ‎PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboencabulator Very old engineering joke. :)

Regards,

 

Robert Giroux

Future Amel Owner 


On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:


Eric, I think/hope that was SNL skit.
Pat 
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Apr 25, 2020 9:24 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] would someone please explain how this works?

 
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376