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Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical
Hi Volker,
I totally agree with Ian's comments. That your genoa furler works well (unlike your main & outhaul) is great. My only recommendation would be to do some preventive maintenance on it and replace the seals so you do not risk any sea water intrusion. That's a bit of a job because you have to remove the unit, but you can also pull the headstay and regrease that while you're at it. The motor can easily be removed at a later time for periodic preventive maintenance. I would fully expect your furler to last many more years. -- Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical
Volker <volker.hasenauer@...>
Hi Ian, thanks for your thoughts! So far all works....I am only concerned about the age of the gearbox/motor. I already changed the main furler motors & gearboxes as they were non function... Forced by Covid not to do much I just sit and dream about what needs to be done once she is in my reach and under my daily care. Being in Malaysia means under the "new normal" that shipping gets crazy expensive and takes ages to reach us - that's why I try to evaluate what I could order now and have it available when the boat is around the corner. Answering your question on how long I will keep her, well I just bought a year ago and if I could really get hold of her - she is within Malaysia but due to travel restriction I am not able to pick her up - I have no serious plans of selling her. I like the layout, I like the little details of that boat. She is ideal for me and my wife and we wish to take her long term cruising. Thanks again and wishing you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Volker Aquamarine, Santorin # 27
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 4:54 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Mark Barter
Hi Michael,
I was looking at ways of mounting the water pump elsewhere because it makes a lot of sense. How did you do that? The large frame alternator has been fitted on the port side of the engine now. Thank you for your input Mark -- Mark & Nicky Barter S/V Nunky SM 110
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Re: Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical
Volker
Does the electric curled work at the moment. If 'Yes', then do not change it. Use it for a while before deciding. The original Genoa is pretty big - 150% and weighs a fair bit. It can be hauled in by manual curling and you can experience this by using the built in manual furler. The Bosch motor is no longer made, but replacing brushes and springs is still possible. the gearbox is very well engineered and should last a lifetime if it has been kept properly lubricated. A final question is - how long will you keep your Santorin? I don't think you would sell it again if you remove all the electric curling systems! I also think it will cost you more to change the systems than to service them. Leave well alone until you've sailed it for at least one season. I'll get anything you will decide that the design is excellent! Ian 'Ocean Hobo' Santorin no.96
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Genua Furler on Santorin...stay electrical or go mechanical
Volker Hasenauer <volker.hasenauer@...>
Hello Santorin or Maramu Owners,
I own a Santorin (SN 27) from 1990 which I am planning to overhaul. I bought the boat about a year ago, however due to Covid I was so far not able to do anything with her. The Genua furler is original (fully functional) but I wonder if its a worthwhile project going "backwards" and install a conventional furler instead to renew the entire electrical furler. I did not checked so far the price with Amel for a new electrical furler. My best guess is however that a conventional one may be far cheaper? Does anyone have experience with such a conversion? I am a bit afraid that I mess with the entire design philosophy of Amel....??? I would be grateful for any ideas....pro & con's Volker Aquamarine (Santorin # 27), currently in Malaysia
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
We used poly flex mounts, these were set up via poly flex as they can be made to order for specific weights.
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I moved the water pump to a nice location away from the alternator. Remote mounted the oil and fuel filter to allow for vertical orientation. Large frame alternator on the opposite side of the battery alternator. When you replace your old mounts you will likely find that the old ones have lowered the frame. Some adjustments may be required I would replace any hose that connects to the new engine.
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Mark Barter
We have had a nightmare fitting the Beta 85T to our 1993 Super Maramu.
The fitter that we employed took the Perkins out and it was only when it was put next to the Beta that he he realised that they were different sizes. I genuinely think that he thought that the Beta would just plug in. The Beta was fitted with a straight through gearbox. The fitter told me that I should have made it clear that what he called a dropbox should have been fitted. A dropbox is more accurately described as a gearbox with an offset output shaft. I hadn't been asked about the gearbox and if I had been I would have had to research the difference before I could have answered the question. After the final checks were done by the fitter I found 2 coolant leaks and a fuel leak. They had used the wrong thread seal on the calorifier fittings so they weren't even hand tight. The had also re used the 27 year old fuel return pipe instead of putting new pipe in. The mind boggles. The engine is in now but the fitter failed to fit new engine feet so the boat vibrates terribly when the engine is running. We are going to have the engine removed and have new feet fitted. I blame myself for a lot of these problems because I put too much trust in the fitter. With the benefit of hindsight I would have done a better job myself. Here are few takeaways which might assist any others thinking about this project: 1. If you want a high powered 24v alternator as we did, Beta will insist on fitting it if they are to honour the warranty. 2. Beta will fit the alternator to the starboard side of the engine. On a Super Maramu if the alternator is fitted there the engine will not fit because the water drain tube that goes through the engine room is in the way. It must be fitted to the port side. 3. The best plan is to remove the engine bed, fit the engine to the bed and then put it all in together. Our fitter didn't remove the engine bed. He fitted the engine to the bed whilst the bed was still bolted to the hull. That is why the feet were not changed. 4. The gearbox you need is a PRM 280. Our fitter ordered the wrong gearbox then blamed me for that and is now trying to charge me for returning the wrong gearbox. Good luck with that. 5. You need to know that changing an impeller will be a complete PITA. The water pump faces aft (when the engine is fitted) and is under the heat exchanger on the starboard side. The problem with that is that you can only access it from the rear of the engine. Due to problems with access, unless you are a contortionist, you will be fitting the impeller by feel. I intend to replace the short 4mm bolts with some studs and to get some brass thumb screws to secure the impeller cover. That should make life easier but I dread having to change an impeller in an emergency. 6. The engine is very simple. The advantage is that it will be easy to repair if anything goes wrong. The downside is that it has no refinement. It is after all a tractor engine. I suspect that even when we change the engine feet it will still be very noisy. I had planned to replace the yellow foam sound deadening material anyway so hopefully that will help. 7. You will need the fitting tool to align the engine. It can be made easily. 8. We have only run the engine for 7 hours on our way back from Gibraltar but my impression is that at lower revs it is more powerful than the Perkins. I won't name the fitter publicly for obvious reasons but if anyone is thinking of having any boat work done in Gibraltar contact me first. It is too soon for me to say whether fitting the Beta was a good option because at the moment I am very disappointed with the result. I think however that is more down to the fitter than the engine. When the new feet have been fitted I will report back. I am going to run a test on a decibel meter before and after the remedial work is done so that I can provide some actual data on the issue. -- Mark & Nicky Barter S/V Nunky SM 110
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Re: Port side Front Navigation Light unreliable
Hello a few more tips, I did this job last year. The backing plate on SM#387 was iron and very corroded from moisture that had run down inside the stanchion. I had to break and grind enough of the corroded iron first. I still couldn't budge the wire. Went home for Christmas, came back a couple of weeks later and I was able too work the wires out. I took the port side wire out first and then tackled the longer starboard side wire. Second tip: if you have not replaced your bow locker floors yet, then put a supportive board in there to hold your weight. Or you might be adding that to your list of improvements (I picked up that tip from another SM owner who replaced their wires). Third tip: if you do run into a frustrating situation then I suggest you to a search in this Amel forum and you will find lots of supportive posts on the project. Good luck, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SN#387, currently near Great Bird Island, Antigua
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 6:47 PM Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 09:36 AM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:
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Re: CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
I want wish the members of our world wide Amel family all the very best for Christmas and the new year. I enjoy being in contact with all of you. You are appreciated. Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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CHRISTMAS GREETINGS
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
I want wish the members of our world wide Amel family all the very best for Christmas and the new year. I enjoy being in contact with all of you. You are appreciated. Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: SSB Not Receiving - IC M801
Hello,
how about PTC II, is it sending and receiving? On my previous boat I had IC802 with tuner and Pactor SCS. How far were the boats you have been testing the transmission? What happens when you push TUNE? You should have a sound of relays and then on display Tune or THRU. With this one can manually adjust the transceiver to tuner. If there is TRHU tuner is not calibrated to the frequency. I am not sure if this has any effect when receiving. On 802 there was clear sign that transmission is on when one was transmitting. Sorry for more questions than answers at this point of time. Regards -- Slavko SM 2000 #279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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SSB Not Receiving - IC M801
Chris Likins
Hi All,
I will not pretend to be an expert on HF/SSB because I am very far from it! On my Amel 54 I have an IC-M801 SSB with SCS PTC II Pactor modem.
I seem to be able to transmit just fine as other boats can hear me, however, I am not able to receive anything. Squelch and NB are off, the RF Gain is turned all the way up to 9 and AGC is ON. Nothing but static. I'll also note that the antenna current indicator (little black bars) do not appear at all, even when transmitting. I have checked all the connections and wiring at the tuner and transceiver and I cant see anything thats loose or corroded.
I really feel like this is almost certainly user error on my part and likely something simple like a setting in the unit itself. Can anyone point me in the right direction for receiving trouble?
Thank you! A54 #133
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Re: Waterleak
Another way to skin the cat - tape plastic over the inside of a large area like windows, put in a hole and blow in air from small shop vac, Leave air running and spray diluted dish soap on outside and watch for bubbles. Great for hairline leaks. Then apply "Captain Tolley's (Amazing) Creeping Crack Cure". Guaranteed!
-- Craig - Merry Christmas to all.
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Re: Port side Front Navigation Light unreliable
FYI, The Belden Cable I recommend is round and is .222" or 5.6mm in diameter. Available on Amazon in 50 foot and 500 foot rolls. I think I bought a 500 foot roll and ran out.
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 4:47 PM Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 09:36 AM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:
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Re: Waterleak
Chris Doucette
Also— consider some food coloring to help identify sources of leakage :)
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Re: Waterleak
Thomas Kleman
One bit of advice- finding a leak on a boat would be easy if it never heeled or stressed during sailing. But since it does, the path of the leak can appear uphill or circuitous when moored or at anchor. We use baby powder in strategic places to try to trace the path of the liquid. Works well.
Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Good day Amel lovers,
Thank you very much for your response. I am afraid that the Beta 60 will be removed from the range. I just think that our Maramu and the Beta 60 can form a good couple. Bill, I also e-mailed you in person for the discount that I might be able to receive through you at Beta. Thank you again for this.
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
Dennis Johns
"Alternators are highly reliable". If that were the case you would never see alternator/generator repair shops. I've had my Maramu for 19 years and have replaced the house alternator three times. It's electronic and the marine environment is not kind to electronics. Each time my alternator has failed, all I had to do is switch the batteries to "both" until I arrived somewhere the alternator could be rebuilt (the alternator recharging the starter batteries could handle the entire battery bank -slowly but it could do it). Never underestimate the value of redundancy, I'm quite sure Henri didn't. Dennis Johns Maramu #121
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Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??
I believe the Beta 85 is a good choice for the SM or the 54. This engine does not have a computer with multiple sensors and is made with a reliable Kabuto 4 cylinder diesel engine. Several of my clients have purchased Beta engines and have had mostly expected results. The Beta 60 is going away, so if you are interested in the Beta 60 for a Maramu or Santorin, act quickly or you will miss out. Thank the EPA. My clients enjoy a significant discount from Beta. Email me if you want more information. Bill
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 9:41 AM Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Dirk,
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Re: User manual Maramu 46
#solution
Thank you for the manual Happy Christmas Philippe
De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] De la part de CW Bill Rouse
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