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Re: Headliner fix

James Alton
 

Miles and All,

My primary concern with the headliner project is to be sure to use a material that does not break down and an adhesive that does not let go over time.  It seems that Amel has things figured out with the 1996 and later boats so why experiment going forward?  It’s going to be a huge project to do it right so I really only want to do it once.  

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2020, at 4:33 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

I'm also really interested to find a headliner match - if anyone knows a close one
thinking of doing my aft cabin roof at some point soon
All the best
Miles
Maramu #162

Re: Bottom paint removal problem

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Mark,

  I  do wonder if there is much difference between soda and other dry materials. For what it's worth we had our hull cleaned with dry sand in the UK when the boat was 10 years old.  The old paint was taken off within a few hours and the hull looked as though it had just come out of the mould. So perfect was the gelcoat that it needed a light abrasion before a couple of layers of clear epoxy were put on. In our case that was sufficient as we then put on Coppercoat, itself an epoxy.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...>
Sent: 25 February 2020 19:28
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem
 
I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003.  Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint.  The layer is now thick and a bit uneven.  Having carefully examined the words of caution on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island.  The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently very experienced with blasting boat bottoms. 

Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored.  Hinckley recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats).  My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact.  I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island (or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
 
Any suggestions for me?  I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
 
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
 

Re: Headliner fix

smiles bernard
 

I'm also really interested to find a headliner match - if anyone knows a close one
thinking of doing my aft cabin roof at some point soon
All the best
Miles
Maramu #162

Re: Windvane advise

smiles bernard
 

Hydrovane works excellently for us on SeaLove
I think the bigger of the WindPilot range  (the pacific 2?) also works on the same principles - ie you lock your rudder and the vane takes over 
probably excellent also 
If you decide to exchange for a hydrovane i'd happily send some photos of our install
Libertad of this forum was kind enough to share his similar instal photos - infact i think they are still on the hydrovane website - search maramu

All the best
Miles

Re: Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Hi Mat,

The water heaters were installed by professionals that were sent by the factory.
It is something else...
The leakage was from the tank .



Ofer Magen

Re: Headliner fix

James Alton
 

Joel,

   Would you by chance know of a source for the exact headliner material and adhesive that Amel has been using since 1996?  Thanks for the background on this issue.

James 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:21 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110

Re: A55: fresh water pump system : Beam IV

michael winand
 

Just a thought. 
If you have a leak on the suction side it will allow air to enter the water pipes and this won't compress enough to reach the shut off pressure. 

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 10:39 pm, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
Stuart,

I gave you all of my ideas. Like I said before I don't think the accumulator tank pressure has anything to do with a continuous running pump. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:08 PM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Hello Joerg & Bill,

Who ever thought you’d need a bicycle pump on a boat , but you do!

We bought this fancy cycle pump in Bonaire ( the old fashion type would be better ) pumped up the accumulator and we have water!!

THANK YOU 

The pump is still running continuously though any ideas on that one?

Very best regards & thanks ..

Stuart

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain

Re: Leaking water heater

Matt Salatino
 

Many times, I’ve heard of people causing leaks  in water heaters from overtightening plumbing connections.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 27, 2020, at 3:36 PM, ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:

Hi to all,

Few month after buying my boat in 2015, i had a leakage from the inside part of the water heater.

I bought a new one from isotherm ,the same model -basic 40.
Since then , 3 more boilers were leaking and replaced  under warranty by the factory- very good service, but what can be the reason for the failure of 4 boilers in 5 years?

The pressure in the water system is 1-2.5 bar.
The heater has a security valve that opens in 7 bar.

Anyone experienced this?

Ideas welcome.

Thanks to the great group!

Ofer,
SY Alba
Amel 54 # 160
Cyprus

Re: Windvane advise

martin haméline
 

Fantastic Miles

Great information and User Verified. Even though I have a new monitor, the hydrovane is the set up I desire. 

Many thanks 

Martin Hameline 
VoileOVent 
129


On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:06 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:


hi there Martin

I am a big fan of windvanes and put one on our maramu last year
on my old boat (30ft) we had a monitor
this time we chose a hydrovane as we used on on a family boat before and they are really good
The monitor will require lines lead to the wheel - which i'm sure will work but will need some thought 
 
i mainly went for the hydrovane as it does not drive the main rudder. you lock the main rudder off and the hydrovane takes over - so acts as a completely separate and spare rudder system which was a big draw for us on long haul journeys as a back up

we routed the hydrovane pole through our swim step and that worked well. We also bought the longer shaft version so the whole vane part was positioned just level with our solar arch.

The monitor rudder swings side to side as it steers - so i'm sure youve been thinking about how that might work  with your swim platform

We have stopped using the electric autopilot for all but motoring (which we avoid if at all possible)
it was such a relief to get rid of the noise of the electric autopilot and its inherent complexity

The SM have a wonderful redundant autopilot system so i can totally understand that for SMs a Windvane might be overkill but once you have sailed across an ocean with a windvane silently helming for weeks on end its hard to entertain anything else - wonderful inventions.

Good luck fitting yours - i'd be interested to hear how that goes

Miles


On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 04:45:20 PM GMT, martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:


Hello

I just bought an Amel Maramu in Martinique and am selling my Rafiki 37 in San Diego.
I have a new Monitor Windvane and am thinking I should transfer it to the Maramu.  Scanmar of Monitor says they have put monitors on Santorum boats

I love the quiet energy efficiency of the monitor.  I do have a fold down swim platform and a dinghy davit on the Maramu which Scanmar says won’t be a problem.
Appreciate your opinions and advice.

Cheers

Martin Hameline
SV VoileOVent
129


Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Hi to all,

Few month after buying my boat in 2015, i had a leakage from the inside part of the water heater.

I bought a new one from isotherm ,the same model -basic 40.
Since then , 3 more boilers were leaking and replaced  under warranty by the factory- very good service, but what can be the reason for the failure of 4 boilers in 5 years?

The pressure in the water system is 1-2.5 bar.
The heater has a security valve that opens in 7 bar.

Anyone experienced this?

Ideas welcome.

Thanks to the great group!

Ofer,
SY Alba
Amel 54 # 160
Cyprus

Re: Windvane advise

smiles bernard
 

hi there Martin

I am a big fan of windvanes and put one on our maramu last year
on my old boat (30ft) we had a monitor
this time we chose a hydrovane as we used on on a family boat before and they are really good
The monitor will require lines lead to the wheel - which i'm sure will work but will need some thought 
 
i mainly went for the hydrovane as it does not drive the main rudder. you lock the main rudder off and the hydrovane takes over - so acts as a completely separate and spare rudder system which was a big draw for us on long haul journeys as a back up

we routed the hydrovane pole through our swim step and that worked well. We also bought the longer shaft version so the whole vane part was positioned just level with our solar arch.

The monitor rudder swings side to side as it steers - so i'm sure youve been thinking about how that might work  with your swim platform

We have stopped using the electric autopilot for all but motoring (which we avoid if at all possible)
it was such a relief to get rid of the noise of the electric autopilot and its inherent complexity

The SM have a wonderful redundant autopilot system so i can totally understand that for SMs a Windvane might be overkill but once you have sailed across an ocean with a windvane silently helming for weeks on end its hard to entertain anything else - wonderful inventions.

Good luck fitting yours - i'd be interested to hear how that goes

Miles


On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 04:45:20 PM GMT, martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:


Hello

I just bought an Amel Maramu in Martinique and am selling my Rafiki 37 in San Diego.
I have a new Monitor Windvane and am thinking I should transfer it to the Maramu.  Scanmar of Monitor says they have put monitors on Santorum boats

I love the quiet energy efficiency of the monitor.  I do have a fold down swim platform and a dinghy davit on the Maramu which Scanmar says won’t be a problem.
Appreciate your opinions and advice.

Cheers

Martin Hameline
SV VoileOVent
129


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Mitchell,
Were you able to go through the pictures in the "C-Drive - Technical " photo album? You'll see my unit with the fairing material cut away. That exposes the cover plate on the front of the prop shaft and another pic shows it with its 4 machine screws. You have to cut the fairing back about 1 1/2 inches to totally expose the cover plate as it is about an inch thick. Again, see the pictures. (By the way, there are a couple of pictures the entire unit being lifted out that may be of interest.)

The cover plate carries the forward shaft bearing, so once it is off the prop shaft is totally free to be lifted out by hand. You can then lift out the aft bearings. Again there are pics of all that.

Cutting back the fairing material is a destructive process because it adheres to the metal housing. I had to guess about how big the plate was, so I just cut out small pieces until I figured it out. With the pictures to go by you'll have an easier time of it.  You will, of course, have to build up new material when you reassemble. I recall I used West System epoxy with a tough filler. Not rocket science, just messy, and you can then shape it back to the original size with a sander.

If you wish, send me your email address and I'll send more pictures that I didn't post here.  I'm at sangaris at aol dot com.

Craig

Windvane advise

martin haméline
 

Hello

I just bought an Amel Maramu in Martinique and am selling my Rafiki 37 in San Diego.
I have a new Monitor Windvane and am thinking I should transfer it to the Maramu. Scanmar of Monitor says they have put monitors on Santorum boats

I love the quiet energy efficiency of the monitor. I do have a fold down swim platform and a dinghy davit on the Maramu which Scanmar says won’t be a problem.
Appreciate your opinions and advice.

Cheers

Martin Hameline
SV VoileOVent
129

Re: Headliner fix

amelforme
 

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110

Main sail foil connection

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

 

My main furler appears to have a rubber “plug” fitted inside the driving hub such that the lower bolt goes through this and only the upper bolt goes through the foil. See attached (although I know it’s not that clear but you can just see it if you zoom in a lot). So in effect, the foil drops into the hub by only 3cm and is attached with only the upper bolt. I thought this may have been done by the previous owner so that the foil can then undergo more breakages before it needs to be replaced in full, but he know nothing about it. I also think that given that the fracture is probably always going to be just above the hub, this is of no consequence. I would be interested to hear if anyone has seen this before, and also hear some opinions as to whether I should continue to use it as it is or try to remove the rubber plug.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Mitchell Petersen
 

Thanks Craig, also was it difficult knowing where to cut the GRP on the lower unit? Are there any bolts I need to undo within the lower unit to remove  the prop shaft? Did you resin the piece back you cut out of the lower unit or did you re-fibreglass the whole area?

Many thanks
Mitchell 



On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 9:40 AM Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Mitchell,
I did leave the upper unit attached to the trumpet and lifted the whole assembly together. But if you can get a lifting line around the trumpet itself that may work just fine. I recall having to put a tremendous amount of tension on the lifting line with my winches and then tap with a hand sledge, kick it a bit with my foot and rotate it back and forth before it finally popped loose.

Did you find the lifting tang on the overhead above the c drive?  I didn't find that until after I had removed the unit and I think it would have made it much easier by giving a straight up pull.

On mine, the trumpet came out of the boot, but I may have left the lower clamps in place. Regardless, the boot should not give much resistance to the removal. It's where the trumpet mates into the hull with a couple of "O" rings that seemed to be the sticky bit.

By the way, I had removed the bolt holding the lower unit to the keel and wiggled the lower unit around to help release the drive shaft spline.

Good luck with it - hope this helps a bit,
Craig

Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Danny

Yes, we have instructed our listing agent in London to take the advert down next week. She is no longer for sale.

These are great boats and fast becoming classics now, and in our case, Island Pearl II has actually remained bubble wrapped in strategic internal places since the day she left the factory, so is in our view totally irreplaceable.

Best regards

Colin
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II SM#332
Newport Marina, Brisbane, Australia


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:19 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Colin.

Re the sale of Island Pearl. I am not surprised. I looked for any exuse not to sell Ocean Pearl. The reality is they are the most robust and easiest to sail boat available. (In my humble opinion) So unless you intend to totally swallow the anchor stay with Island Pearl. I was seriously considering a step up to the 54 but watching the posts on the forum my opinion that the SM was the ultimate off shore yacht for a couple became solidified. I see them as the culmination of Henri's lifes work.  So I stay where I am.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 27 February 2020 at 15:57 islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Hi Scott

Thanks again for the tips. The alternator will be my next step after some local testing yes. We are away from the boat down in Sydney for a week, but the Lithium install went perfectly on Tuesday, and Lauren and I are absolutely delighted!!! The 4 x 100amp 24v LifePO4 batteries fit in the 2001 SM 2000 battery compartment perfectly and we have lost at least 150kg of weight, yet to be measured...

Our 2001 SM 2000 has space for 8 house batteries plus start battery (not the enlarged 12 battery bank compartment as on later (2003+?) boats), so this awesome lithium setup would fit in even the very earliest SM's I suspect, and for the first time ever I am now pleased to have the smaller rather than the larger battery space.

Regarding the sale of our boat, we have Island Pearl II listed for sale but had not yet got around to putting her up for sale on the Amel Owners site. However, we are now seriously considering the wisdom of selling as we watch the increasing global panic related to coronavirus around the globe. We miss our sailing days already, and so we are simply not negotiable right now and may still remove her from the market depending on how world affairs turn out. She is far too nice to take a huge loss on after all the investment in upgrades we have made if there remains a chance that we will sail again.

Glad to hear you guys are soon heading over the Pacific. Best wishes for that trip and we do hope to catch up again when you reach us here on the other side.

Best Regards

Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II SM#332
Newport Marina, Brisbane, Australia



On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:25 PM Scott SV Tengah < Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Colin,

Good to hear from you! I guess you guys aren't selling Island Pearl II then? We are in San Blas now and planning to transit the canal and head to the Galapagos within a month. Slowly but surely making our way to your part of the world :)

Do you have any idea of the amp hours you're putting getting out of your solar/wind array? I am very jealous that you have that production capacity and I'd love to see numbers.

Since you're barely running the Victron 230v chargers, you don't have to worry about this, but others may want to think about it: lead batteries can only take full current at low SOC. I seem to recall around 65% SOC or so, the charging current tapers quite a bit. With LFP, the batteries will take full current up to 99% or so. That means your chargers are running at full capacity and generating lots of heat for longer periods. 

Related to that, if you haven't already, think about your 24v alternator and the regulator attached to it. I am not sure what alternator is fitted on the SM, but we have a Mastervolt 110amp which Mastervolt says is OK for the long periods of full current that LFP will require of your alternator. For good measure, I installed a temperature sensor that will instruct the Alpha Pro II regulator to taper output if the alternator gets too hot. Finally, make sure your alternator has a LFP charging profile and just as importantly, the Battery Management System (BMS) can shut down your alternator when there is an over voltage or over temperature condition in one of the cells. Note that you can have acceptable overall bank voltage but one of the 32 cells that will comprise your system may be over voltage. If your system doesn't stop charging, it could irreversibly damage that cell. 

Finally, keep in mind the Dolphin chargers don't have a LFP profile. At least the ones in the 54 did not. There's a 54 owner out there who installed 1200 (!!!!) AH of LFP and fried them in short order - I believe because he charged them using the wrong profile.

After your install, you will get a 25% boost from your already massive solar/wind array on charging because with LFP, you don't get the 25% charging inefficiency you get with lead. BTW - I've run the aft AC all night on battery/inverter and our 450 amp hour bank was more than enough.

Hope this helps.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

 

 



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Mitchell,
I did leave the upper unit attached to the trumpet and lifted the whole assembly together. But if you can get a lifting line around the trumpet itself that may work just fine. I recall having to put a tremendous amount of tension on the lifting line with my winches and then tap with a hand sledge, kick it a bit with my foot and rotate it back and forth before it finally popped loose.

Did you find the lifting tang on the overhead above the c drive?  I didn't find that until after I had removed the unit and I think it would have made it much easier by giving a straight up pull.

On mine, the trumpet came out of the boot, but I may have left the lower clamps in place. Regardless, the boot should not give much resistance to the removal. It's where the trumpet mates into the hull with a couple of "O" rings that seemed to be the sticky bit.

By the way, I had removed the bolt holding the lower unit to the keel and wiggled the lower unit around to help release the drive shaft spline.

Good luck with it - hope this helps a bit,
Craig

Re: Maramu replacement autopilot drive motor

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

Our Maramu has a Raymarine type 2 with a hole cut into the door through which it protrudes.

It works well and looks ok

I find the noise of the autopilot rather tiresome though so use a Hydrovane when sailing.

All the best

Miles
 


Re: A55: fresh water pump system : Beam IV on passage from Bonaire towards Santa Marta / Carthagena

 

Stuart,

I gave you all of my ideas. Like I said before I don't think the accumulator tank pressure has anything to do with a continuous running pump. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:08 PM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Hello Joerg & Bill,

Who ever thought you’d need a bicycle pump on a boat , but you do!

We bought this fancy cycle pump in Bonaire ( the old fashion type would be better ) pumped up the accumulator and we have water!!

THANK YOU 

The pump is still running continuously though any ideas on that one?

Very best regards & thanks ..

Stuart

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain