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Re: Adjusting Ultraflex steering cables?

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Scott,

what you describe is frightening and the lesson is: Don't let anyone work on your boat unless they know what they do, and try to get all the informations you can before letting them do.
That's what this forum is very good at: exchanging informations between novices and old salts who have been dealing with issues.

Adjusting the steering cables should be piece of cake...

I'm afraid your cable(s) are now partly uncoiled: the strands may be a bit untwisted, which may put a bit of resistance in their sheaths.
While the cables are disconnected at the quadrant end, you should turn the wheel from one end to the other, many many times, to try to get the eye terminal back to flat-original position.

If you feel a lot of resistance while doing this, then this means the cables are permanently damaged, and it may be time to order and install a new pair.

Tell us what happens after you try the above.

Good luck.

Olivier.

On Friday, December 11, 2020, 07:35:17 AM GMT+1, Scott SV Tengah <scott.nguyen@...> wrote:


Mike, 

That did the trick, thanks! 

Now onto the new problem. It seems that one of the "joints" that cables go through has developed a lot more play than the other. See attached photo. 

Can this be rebuilt easily? If not, is this an Amel specific part or something I can buy from ultra flex? 


On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 17:54 Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
Hi Scott,

On my SM#23, the pole is threaded at the end and the eye fitting is screwed onto it. This allows for proper orientation and positioning of the eye so it can mount correctly with the vertical bolts of the quadrant. Maybe yours was over tightened when someone was working in it? If you can hold the pole and keep it from rotating, perhaps you can back the eye fitting off?

Or maybe my system is totally different than your A54... Figured I'd mention it just in case it helps.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
New Zealand


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 2:26 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
As these things go, it's never as simple as you expect.

Someone worked on it and tried to rotate the internal cable, with the toggle eye on the end. I surmise they rotated it multiple revolutions. This was their ill informed way of trying to adjust the cable tension. Now this internal cable's eye has set in a resting position that is 45 degrees off from vertical. That, of course, does not align with the vertical bolt on the steering quadrant. If I try to rotate the eye back, it will rotate but will bounce back to 45 degrees from vertical as soon as I release tension. If I rotate it a full 360 degree revolution, it clicks but keeps the same non-vertical resting orientation.

I emailed ultraflex and they said to just temporarily twist the eye and put the bolt in. Not comforting that we'd have that constant rotational tension as the cable moves in and out. They also suggested if I really wanted to align it, I could "Disconnect the cable from both ends and you should be able to push the shaft in and out while you turn the cable if you want it to move back into place." Not sure exactly what that means.

Any ideas from those who have more experience with this system on how I can get this fixed without damaging the cables? Do I simply twist the eye, install it and a few hundred sea miles will untwist the cable and orient it correctly? 


-Scott

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:27 AM Scott SV Tengah via groups.io <Scott.nguyen=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Olivier! Exactly what I was looking for.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: VHF Cable Replacement

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Hi Chris, 
Did you check your antenna with a swr--meter before and after renovating the system?
Greetings from Germany 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162 Fort Lauderdale 






Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Sv Garulfo
 

Interested!


Thanks Bill

Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Raivavae, French Polynesia

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 00:54, luvkante via groups.io <luvkante=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Interested.

Bill, you are our hero.

Martin

AMEL 54 # 149 CHIARA


Re: VHF Cable Replacement

Chris Doucette
 

My masts were down this summer - I used the old cable to pull new marine grade RG-8X.  The antennas I replaced with Shakespeares.  Gld I did- I broke open the old ones- they were corroded.  House wiring from mast step to radio was just fine.


Chris
S/V Amarok SM 385 Deltaville




Re: VHF Cable Replacement

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Mark,

I am also in the process of replacing the VHF antenna. As they say, I’m not expert, but….

My understanding is that sea air can creep into anywhere. This is especially true where there are connections. Our SM has coax coming down the antenna, then connecting to coax that goes to the radio. My plan is to bypass the connection, and just run coax (connected at the antenna) in one piece all the way back to the radio, I guess about 80 feet of coax.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay

On Dec 11, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

A question to those who needed to replace the VHF cable in the main mast: Did you also need to replace the VHF cable from the base of the mast to the rear of the radio?
 
Thanks.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
 


--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Gib Track Plugs

Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Ken, looks good.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 10:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Aquarius was fitted with new plugs on the Genoa Track, used 5200. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe2_3JAji0

About 12:58 minutes is where it shows the new plugs.  I am happy with them, they were provided by AMEL and they fit.   Installed only 10 months ago.

Ken Powers
Aquarius Currently on the hard in Thailand.
SM2K262


VHF Cable Replacement

Mark Erdos
 

A question to those who needed to replace the VHF cable in the main mast: Did you also need to replace the VHF cable from the base of the mast to the rear of the radio?

 

Thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: A54 Nav station seat replacement

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The original was literally a pain in the butt.  I always thought if I leaned back in thoughtful repose I would wind up on the cabin sole wedged in by the fire extinguishers.

The seat angles are very comfortable and it is very sturdy,  The OEM seat pad is a little lacking so I throw a cushion in the seat; it all works very well.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Cleaning fresh water tank on my SM2K

karkauai
 

I had the same black growth in my tank the first time I looked.  I tried weak bleach solution, vinegar, power washer, all with inadequate results.  Someone suggested that the growth is probably a bacteria of some kind, as algae requires sunlight.  I don't know if that's true, but I finally got rid of it with a very strong bleach solution of 6 gallons in a tank full to the brim. I let it sit overnight and voila, all growth dead and debris lying in bottom of tank. I pumped it out with a sump pump, got the last bit out with my shop vac, then filled about 1/4 full before pumping through the fresh water system.  Two more rinses with dock water, then filled with dock water run through two charcoal filters, and flushed all the fresh water lines with that dechlorinated water.
I shock the tank once a year with 3 gallons of bleach, let sit overnight, and rinse/refill as above. The tank has stayed mostly free of growth on less it sits half empty for a few months. I try to leave the tank pretty full most if the time, and avoid using dock water if I can.
I also run the tank water through a charcoal filter before it is distributed to the faucets, shower, and the watermaker.
A small amount of brown stain remains in a few places on the sides of the tank, nothing I've tried gets it out.
--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Adjusting Ultraflex steering cables?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Mike, 

That did the trick, thanks! 

Now onto the new problem. It seems that one of the "joints" that cables go through has developed a lot more play than the other. See attached photo. 

Can this be rebuilt easily? If not, is this an Amel specific part or something I can buy from ultra flex? 


On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 17:54 Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
Hi Scott,

On my SM#23, the pole is threaded at the end and the eye fitting is screwed onto it. This allows for proper orientation and positioning of the eye so it can mount correctly with the vertical bolts of the quadrant. Maybe yours was over tightened when someone was working in it? If you can hold the pole and keep it from rotating, perhaps you can back the eye fitting off?

Or maybe my system is totally different than your A54... Figured I'd mention it just in case it helps.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
New Zealand


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 2:26 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
As these things go, it's never as simple as you expect.

Someone worked on it and tried to rotate the internal cable, with the toggle eye on the end. I surmise they rotated it multiple revolutions. This was their ill informed way of trying to adjust the cable tension. Now this internal cable's eye has set in a resting position that is 45 degrees off from vertical. That, of course, does not align with the vertical bolt on the steering quadrant. If I try to rotate the eye back, it will rotate but will bounce back to 45 degrees from vertical as soon as I release tension. If I rotate it a full 360 degree revolution, it clicks but keeps the same non-vertical resting orientation.

I emailed ultraflex and they said to just temporarily twist the eye and put the bolt in. Not comforting that we'd have that constant rotational tension as the cable moves in and out. They also suggested if I really wanted to align it, I could "Disconnect the cable from both ends and you should be able to push the shaft in and out while you turn the cable if you want it to move back into place." Not sure exactly what that means.

Any ideas from those who have more experience with this system on how I can get this fixed without damaging the cables? Do I simply twist the eye, install it and a few hundred sea miles will untwist the cable and orient it correctly? 


-Scott

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:27 AM Scott SV Tengah via groups.io <Scott.nguyen=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Olivier! Exactly what I was looking for.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Adjusting Ultraflex steering cables?

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi Scott,

On my SM#23, the pole is threaded at the end and the eye fitting is screwed onto it. This allows for proper orientation and positioning of the eye so it can mount correctly with the vertical bolts of the quadrant. Maybe yours was over tightened when someone was working in it? If you can hold the pole and keep it from rotating, perhaps you can back the eye fitting off?

Or maybe my system is totally different than your A54... Figured I'd mention it just in case it helps.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
New Zealand


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 2:26 PM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
As these things go, it's never as simple as you expect.

Someone worked on it and tried to rotate the internal cable, with the toggle eye on the end. I surmise they rotated it multiple revolutions. This was their ill informed way of trying to adjust the cable tension. Now this internal cable's eye has set in a resting position that is 45 degrees off from vertical. That, of course, does not align with the vertical bolt on the steering quadrant. If I try to rotate the eye back, it will rotate but will bounce back to 45 degrees from vertical as soon as I release tension. If I rotate it a full 360 degree revolution, it clicks but keeps the same non-vertical resting orientation.

I emailed ultraflex and they said to just temporarily twist the eye and put the bolt in. Not comforting that we'd have that constant rotational tension as the cable moves in and out. They also suggested if I really wanted to align it, I could "Disconnect the cable from both ends and you should be able to push the shaft in and out while you turn the cable if you want it to move back into place." Not sure exactly what that means.

Any ideas from those who have more experience with this system on how I can get this fixed without damaging the cables? Do I simply twist the eye, install it and a few hundred sea miles will untwist the cable and orient it correctly? 


-Scott

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:27 AM Scott SV Tengah via groups.io <Scott.nguyen=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Olivier! Exactly what I was looking for.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: SM heat

Mike Ondra
 

I can confirm that the heat works without the water pump circulating. Will sleep warm to night. Thank you all.

On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

If you have electric coil heating on your units, the water flow should not run.

If you have reverse cycle heating and air, the salt water pump should only run when one the compressors is running on one or more of the three units.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
www.creampuff.us



-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:00 AM
To: AmelYachtOwners Group
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM heat

Quick question. In the SM circa 1999, water is pumped through the three air handling units in both cooling and heating mode even though the heating mode is resistance. Is there a way, or would it be imprudent, too turn off the water pump when in heat mode. Would it be reasonable to install a switch on the water pump circuit to avoid circulating water when it’s not needed.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240











Re: SM heat

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Mike,

If you have electric coil heating on your units, the water flow should not run.

If you have reverse cycle heating and air, the salt water pump should only run when one the compressors is running on one or more of the three units.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
www.creampuff.us

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:00 AM
To: AmelYachtOwners Group
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM heat

Quick question. In the SM circa 1999, water is pumped through the three air handling units in both cooling and heating mode even though the heating mode is resistance. Is there a way, or would it be imprudent, too turn off the water pump when in heat mode. Would it be reasonable to install a switch on the water pump circuit to avoid circulating water when it’s not needed.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240


Re: Adjusting Ultraflex steering cables?

Scott SV Tengah
 

As these things go, it's never as simple as you expect.

Someone worked on it and tried to rotate the internal cable, with the toggle eye on the end. I surmise they rotated it multiple revolutions. This was their ill informed way of trying to adjust the cable tension. Now this internal cable's eye has set in a resting position that is 45 degrees off from vertical. That, of course, does not align with the vertical bolt on the steering quadrant. If I try to rotate the eye back, it will rotate but will bounce back to 45 degrees from vertical as soon as I release tension. If I rotate it a full 360 degree revolution, it clicks but keeps the same non-vertical resting orientation.

I emailed ultraflex and they said to just temporarily twist the eye and put the bolt in. Not comforting that we'd have that constant rotational tension as the cable moves in and out. They also suggested if I really wanted to align it, I could "Disconnect the cable from both ends and you should be able to push the shaft in and out while you turn the cable if you want it to move back into place." Not sure exactly what that means.

Any ideas from those who have more experience with this system on how I can get this fixed without damaging the cables? Do I simply twist the eye, install it and a few hundred sea miles will untwist the cable and orient it correctly? 


-Scott

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:27 AM Scott SV Tengah via groups.io <Scott.nguyen=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Olivier! Exactly what I was looking for.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: SM heat

eric freedman
 

Hi Mike,
I believe on Kimberlite the water pump only runs when the compressor is on. I would check it on your boat.
Unfortunately I am not on Kimberlite at the moment.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AmelYachtOwners Group
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM heat

Quick question. In the SM circa 1999, water is pumped through the three air handling units in both cooling and heating mode even though the heating mode is resistance. Is there a way, or would it be imprudent, too turn off the water pump when in heat mode. Would it be reasonable to install a switch on the water pump circuit to avoid circulating water when it’s not needed.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240


Re: SM heat

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Mike,

in the SM2000 (starting october 1998), the A/C compact units compressors are cooled with seawater. The pump starts whenever one of the units is turned on cooling mode.
But when these A/C units are turned on heating mode (as you mention, heat comes from a resistance), then the seawater pump does not run, and seawater is not running through the circuit.

Olivier.

On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 10:00:02 PM GMT+1, Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra@...> wrote:


Quick question. In the SM circa 1999, water is pumped through the three air handling units in both cooling and heating mode even though the heating mode is resistance. Is there a way, or would it be imprudent, too turn off the water pump when in heat mode. Would it be reasonable to install a switch on the water pump circuit to avoid circulating water when it’s not needed.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240





SM heat

Mike Ondra
 

Quick question. In the SM circa 1999, water is pumped through the three air handling units in both cooling and heating mode even though the heating mode is resistance. Is there a way, or would it be imprudent, too turn off the water pump when in heat mode. Would it be reasonable to install a switch on the water pump circuit to avoid circulating water when it’s not needed.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240


Re: A54 Nav station seat replacement

Scott SV Tengah
 

Another great option, thanks. This one is made for boats, so theoretically should be sturdy. 

Do you find it more comfortable than the original seat? I never found it to be particularly comfortable even before it broke.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Bill,

You never cease to amaze me - thank you very much.

I will get it copied hopefully for less than the asking price of USD 319.

Great - that’s progress.

Best wishes to you and Judy

Peter

Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 10 Dec 2020, at 13:54, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Peter,

That is the antisiphon plumbing for your Onan. It is different on a 54 than a SM. 
This used part on eBay may work for you, but you need to verify dimensions: 
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Or, possibly the Vetus universal plastic ANTI SYPHON DEVICE WITH VALVE, 13 - 32 MM can fit. I like this one because you don't need to worry about corrosion and hoses with internal diameters of 13, 19, 25, or 32mm will fit. Also, the air bleed connection rotates through 360°: 
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My only other recommendation is removing it and having a stainless steel welder duplicate it.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:44 AM Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Amelians,

I also seek a replacement for this three way junction in the roof of the engine room above the hot water tank on the port side. I have mended it with some exhaust pipe tape several hundred miles ago but does anyone know where ai can get an equivalent replacement. Amel cannot help.



Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730






Re: Gib Track Plugs

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

  We used the Amel plastic plugs but in the Med sun they have a life of no more than 3-4 years

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada , Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer@...>
Sent: 10 December 2020 14:18
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs
 
Hi we replaced all our plastic Genoa plugs last year. I had to cut about two millimetre off each one as they were too long. I used a Stanley knife which cut through them easily. Cleaning out the holes was straight forward as the old ones (18 years old) were reasonably crumbly and UV damaged. I coated each one with clear silicon and tapped them in using a wooden dowel and a hammer. Once in it was just a matter of removing any excess silicon.

We are really happy with the job and the attached photo shows plugs in place along with our current COVID project. No the decks aren’t blue that’s masking tape.

Ross and Donna
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356
Currently in Finike, Turkey


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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 11:54 am, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

Aquarius was fitted with new plugs on the Genoa Track, used 5200. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe2_3JAji0

About 12:58 minutes is where it shows the new plugs.  I am happy with them, they were provided by AMEL and they fit.   Installed only 10 months ago.

Ken Powers
Aquarius Currently on the hard in Thailand.
SM2K262

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