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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

I'm working on this Eric. It won't be posted til after Christmas.
Merry Christmas to all!
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Dec 19, 2015, at 12:34 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

Would you mind summarizing the steps you have taken to measure your ”problem”

and your findings?

 

What do you perceive is wrong? Is it the fact that there is voltage between the bonding and the 24 volt battery negative.

 

As an additional thought, there is a battery shunt behind the outboard side of the battery bank “tub”.

The negative for the entire battery bank is connected to one side of the shunt an the DC for the boat is connected to the other side.

Did you inspect it to see if there is some type of short between it and the bonding.

 

My second thought is possibly the battery monitor has some connection to the bonding somewhere.

On the shunt there are some small wires to operate the battery monitor. Did you try  disconnecting all of them,  let them hang and try to see if you still have a connection between the bonding and the DC negative?

Don’t forget to mark them as to where they go.  Leave the big negative cables connected to the shunt otherwise you will have no DC on the boat.

 

You did check the bonding between  the DC negative and the case of the battery charger ?

Also the inverter.  Did you isolate these items?

 

Really grabbing at straws here.

However you have peaked my interest and I can’t wait to get back to Kimberlite and see what I find.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

Did you open and remove the fuse behind the battery switches?

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 12:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Hi Eric,

Yes, there are two cables and one small wire on the (+) and (-) poles on the battery side of the 24v switch.

*Battery cable

*24v charger cable

*"Permanent " wire for the 

24->12v converter that powers the radio and retains its memory.

 

I have the same issue whether the charger and Permanent are connected or not.

 

I had an electrician come to the boat today from Savannah who does mostly galvanic/electrolytic surveys for a living. He spent several hours on the boat with me and checked everything thoroughly.  While he couldn't identify the source of the 24vDC between the battery (+) and the bonding system, he was convinced that it has nothing to do with my zincs disappearing too quickly.  There is no change in hull potential when this is present (battery switch on) versus absent(battery switch off).

Although the 24vDC does light a 2.5 watt bulb, there is infinite resistance when checking the battery (-) to bonding system.

 

He says most 53' boats with all the systems we have use 2-3 times as much zinc as we do.

 

While I don't like the fact that I don't have a clear explanation, I don't know of anything else to do but keep a close watch on my zincs and hull potential.

 

I'll keep posting as I learn more or find new issues that shed light on this.

 

Merry Christmas!

Kent

SM243

Kristy 



On Dec 18, 2015, at 7:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Possibly I do not remember correctly, but I thought there was an inline fuse just hanging from some a wire

behind the battery switches. I think that has to do with memory of the cd changer/radio. Just a memory from 13 years ago at the Amel introductory class. I wish I was on board to check it for you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

 

 

Thanks, John.  That's what I've decided to do with my 220AC system.

 

Now chasing down a connection between 24v DC (+) main cable (that goes from the main battery switch to the lug on the foreword bulkhead in the engine room...disconnected from all other cables at the lug) and the bonding system.  When checking resistance, it is a solid (no resistance) connection that carries enough amps to light a test bulb when the main battery switch is on and all 24v breakers are off (including the ones in the engine room, passageway, and foreword port locker).  When the switch is off it has no voltage, but still shows a no resistance connection.  If I disconnect battery + cable in the battery compartment, the connection disappears.  The negative side shows no connection or voltage with the switch either on or off.

 

The only 24v equipment that is connected to the battery side of the main switch is the Charles 60 Amp charger, and the "Permanent " 24->12V Sailor transformer under the Nav station.

 

Does any of this suggest to anyone where the connection is?

 

I'm in the Jacksonville FL area, does anyone know of a good...make that Great...marine electrician nearby?

 

Thanks again everyone for your patience and help.

Kent 

SM243

Kristy 

Fernandina Beach FL



On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:22 PM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Is this a case of PREVIOUSLY the risk was so small, and the disandvatages significant, that the AC generator ground - neutral connection was not made, whereas nowadays, with readily available galvanic isolators and a more litiginous society the small risk overcomes the disadvantages and it should be connected. So it would be sensible to modify older designs that may have been correct at the time where circumstances have moved on. Amels have always evolved so modifying an older Amel to mirror a newer Amel's systems seems totally in order and not messing with Cpt Henry's concepts.

 

John

Maramu #91 1981

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Listen Mizzen"

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here is a link that might help.

http://icdept.cgaux.org/pdf_files/English-French-Glossary-Nautical-Terms.pdf

Ecoute is in English "Sheet".

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Tue, 12/22/15, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Listen Mizzen"
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 7:34 AM


 









Hi
Rick,
the mizzen
sheet's translation in french is "ecoute
d'artimon". Ecoute in french means also listen (as
when you listen to music). So, obviously a bad translation
from French to English.
Merry
Christmas.
Olivier



On Tuesday, December
22, 2015 1:07 AM, "rickgrimes1@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 











I'm
reviewing the list of running rigging published on the Amel
Forum
("Measures of Super Maramu") and mostly have it
figured out.  But there is reference after the Mizzen
halyard to a "Listen mizzen" and later, a
"point remote
listening mizzen> truck: 28cm" and later
"Listening to bulge."

 

In a word search of the
Forum, no one seems to have asked this question or used
this term and when
I Google "listening mizzen", the only thing that
comes up is...the
Amel forum "Measures of..."  Is this a uniquely
Amel term? A misspelling? A poor English
translation of a French word? Happy to have one of
those "oh, duh" moments but right now I'm
flummoxed...
Rick
Grimes"Rascal" SM2k
(#404)
























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BNG windinstrument mistake

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi experts,

we are having a problem with the B&G windspeed:

Last summer it stopped worrking suddenly and I checked the cables and contacts in the junction box on the board above the  front cabin door. Then it worked again for several weeks until we went home.


Coming back to the boat now  it worked fine again at first, even after connecting it to the NMEA multiplexer it showed all data correctly over the WIFI.

Then it suddenly stopped to display the correct windspeed. It shows the direction but not the speed, also when it is disconnected from the NMEA multiplexer. It shows 1,1 kts after turning it on and after 15 seconds  the speed drops to 0,8 then 0,3 then 0,1 and then 0,0 where it maintains.

The wheel on the mast is turning.

Does anyone know a procedure to analyse this fail function?


I thought that it might be the the connection on the mast unit.

Is it possible to measure this from the junction box in the cabin?


Which colour of the cables should I use for measuring and what should they show?

Has anyone ever resolved this problem and how?


Season's greetings from Monastir to all members of the forum, especially to Bill and Judy, Bob Rossi, Julia&Hajo and Herbert&Tadeja.


Leo and Margaret

Yin Yang SM 69

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Listen Mizzen"

Beaute Olivier
 

Hi Rick,

the mizzen sheet's translation in french is "ecoute d'artimon". Ecoute in french means also listen (as when you listen to music). So, obviously a bad translation from French to English.

Merry Christmas.

Olivier


On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:07 AM, "rickgrimes1@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
I'm reviewing the list of running rigging published on the Amel Forum ("Measures of Super Maramu") and mostly have it figured out.  But there is reference after the Mizzen halyard to a "Listen mizzen" and later, a "point remote listening mizzen> truck: 28cm" and later "Listening to bulge."
 
In a word search of the Forum, no one seems to have asked this question or used this term and when I Google "listening mizzen", the only thing that comes up is...the Amel forum "Measures of..."  Is this a uniquely Amel term? A misspelling? A poor English translation of a French word? Happy to have one of those "oh, duh" moments but right now I'm flummoxed...

Rick Grimes
"Rascal" SM2k (#404)



"Listen Mizzen"

rickgrimes1@...
 

I'm reviewing the list of running rigging published on the Amel Forum ("Measures of Super Maramu") and mostly have it figured out.  But there is reference after the Mizzen halyard to a "Listen mizzen" and later, a "point remote listening mizzen> truck: 28cm" and later "Listening to bulge."

 

In a word search of the Forum, no one seems to have asked this question or used this term and when I Google "listening mizzen", the only thing that comes up is...the Amel forum "Measures of..."  Is this a uniquely Amel term? A misspelling? A poor English translation of a French word? Happy to have one of those "oh, duh" moments but right now I'm flummoxed...


Rick Grimes

"Rascal" SM2k (#404)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Must Have" spares and preparations

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Sorry for the late reply Eamonn, finally getting to read all the Forum email since I arrived in TCI.

I have 2 “Swiss Bike” (X-70 and Paratrooper), they have full size wheel (26”) and fold, they are both in the Lazarrette for crossing, but 1 is usually on the deck in case of day sail.
For info, when I was in the Bahamas, I had more tyre failure than anticipated (also had patches to fix the tube), then I think the sun start to make damages.
So now on the tyre, I put a UV protection and also cover the bike(s) when they are not in the Lazarette.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 11/29/15, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Must Have" spares and preparations
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015, 11:00 AM


 









Wow

I am
overwhelmed with the advice, great stuff.  I never heard of
racor filters or antal car and did not know I should vacuum
pack spares, etc.

I
considered adding a folding bicycle but am stunned by the
spares list from Alexandre, including 14 spare tubes & 6
tires?  Was your bike on deck the whole time?

I am taking all the advice on
board, including the sensible get to know the boat better in
local waters for some of the improvements I was thinking
of.  Also now I am questioning the wisdom of fresh water
for the chain; just leave the sea water to do the work.  I
might add a second cockpit water connection instead with a
longer hose than the deck shower for cleaning the deck ... a
much cheaper option.

My
plans are in 2016 to move the boat from St Raphael to
somewhere else in the Mediterranean, and take 2 months (May
& June) time out for that.  Besides a few weeks more in
2016, my real plans start in 2017 where I intend to live
aboard for 4 to 6 months every year for the foreseeable
future (10+ years).  2018 should see us around
Ireland/Scotland and probably also cross the Atlantic from
the Canaries via the Cape Verde islands later the same
year.  Depending on how well that goes, maybe return to
Europe after a season in the Caribbean or start a slow
odyssey across the Pacific, maybe even living longer per
year aboard.  Adding a SCUBA compressor before the
Caribbean is also on the list.

I am still in 2 minds about replacing what
appears to be good standing rigging, but yes if it should be
done while I am the boat custodian then rather sooner than
later.  I'll think about it for a year.

I printed out the 7 pages and
am going through every suggestion in detail, and learning a
lot along the way.  Many thanks for dedicating some time to
guide me.  I hope to be able to repay it some day!

By the way, I have 80m chain
that is 10mm, plus another 8m 10mm chain for the second
anchor.  I'll keep the CQR as a stern anchor when
necessary.  And I'll probably not buy a storm sail; a
bit of genoa and mizzen should do it from the safety of the
cockpit.

Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming light & mast climbing

Joe Nance
 

Thank you guys for the great information,,, Much appreciated!!

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on mast/boom connection

eric freedman
 

I have used a grease like substance that hardens with age called Duralac. It is available on ebay.

It is amazing stuff. I have been using it on boats since 1995.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 11:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on mast/boom connection

 

 

Yes I v heard about it and will try, will also try to put a ground wire to the bolt
Paul SY KERPA SM 259

Re: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632

eric freedman
 

I had my aquasignal tricolor and strobe rebuilt by a fellow in Florida with LED’S.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 10:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632

 

 

Good morning Mark,

Sorry been late reading the post.
I end up purchasing a different Aqua Signal light than yours.
I have one with traditional light, which I will replace with LED.
But thanks for the update.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 12/10/15, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2015, 10:36 AM


 









Alexandre      
 I hope you haven’t purchased this
yet. Our second unit inside of 6 months has now failed. The
anchor light works. The tri-color unit lights up when first
powered on and after about 2 seconds shuts off. I haven’t
pulled the unit from the mast top yet. But, I do have
voltage going to the connections at bottom of the
mast.  I will be contacting Aqua-Signal for
a warranty replacement, again. This unit is really a piece
of crap. It is scary to think our safety is dependent on a
product/company with such poor QA standards.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Green Turtle Cay, Bahamas
 From: Mark Erdos
[mailto:mcerdos@...]
Sent:
Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:05 PM
To:
'amelyachtowners@...'
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base
for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152
55632  Hi Alexandre,
 I hope you are doing well. I see you
are in the Bahamas. We are heading there in a few days. I
hope we can meet. We will be going at it backwards and
working our way from North to South.
 When we purchased Cream Puff, it had
the original Guest tri-color fitting. It failed after 15
years of being in the sun. When I removed it the unit
crumbled in my hands. It was amazing it still lit up. It was
also very corroded inside. We searched all over for a
comparable fitting but I believe Guest is no longer making
lights.  We replaced the unit with one  I
purchased from Defender: mast-top tri-color w/Anchor light
Series 34 LED model 34706-7 http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C65136%7C2312550%7C2312561&id=2113738 
This was a recommendation from Bill Rouse. I believe Amel
switch to these units on later models when they installed
the LED.  The unit will take 12 or 24 v. I used
the existing wiring and just made the 3 connections. I cut
back the wire to ensure I had a new clean connection. I had
to install a new base for the new fixture. It involved
drilling new holes in the mast top and tapping the holes for
stainless steel screws (I purchased separately). At the top
of the mast, there is a common neg and a pos for the anchor
light and a pos for the tri-color. These wires are connected
to the new base and the light unit plugs into the
base.  The unit I purchased failed within a
couple of months. Aqua-signal replaced it and even paid
shipping for the return of the old unit. So far, the
replacement has been trouble free.
 Hope this
helps.  With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  St Augustine FL









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] electrolysis on mast/boom connection

Paul Osterberg
 

Yes I v heard about it and will try, will also try to put a ground wire to the bolt
Paul SY KERPA SM 259

Re: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark,

Sorry been late reading the post.
I end up purchasing a different Aqua Signal light than yours.
I have one with traditional light, which I will replace with LED.
But thanks for the update.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 12/10/15, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152 55632
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2015, 10:36 AM


 









Alexandre      
 I hope you haven’t purchased this
yet. Our second unit inside of 6 months has now failed. The
anchor light works. The tri-color unit lights up when first
powered on and after about 2 seconds shuts off. I haven’t
pulled the unit from the mast top yet. But, I do have
voltage going to the connections at bottom of the
mast.  I will be contacting Aqua-Signal for
a warranty replacement, again. This unit is really a piece
of crap. It is scary to think our safety is dependent on a
product/company with such poor QA standards.
     With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Green Turtle Cay, Bahamas
 From: Mark Erdos
[mailto:mcerdos@...]
Sent:
Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:05 PM
To:
'amelyachtowners@...'
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Base
for Tricolor & Anchor light Legrand 55152
55632  Hi Alexandre,
 I hope you are doing well. I see you
are in the Bahamas. We are heading there in a few days. I
hope we can meet. We will be going at it backwards and
working our way from North to South.
 When we purchased Cream Puff, it had
the original Guest tri-color fitting. It failed after 15
years of being in the sun. When I removed it the unit
crumbled in my hands. It was amazing it still lit up. It was
also very corroded inside. We searched all over for a
comparable fitting but I believe Guest is no longer making
lights.  We replaced the unit with one  I
purchased from Defender: mast-top tri-color w/Anchor light
Series 34 LED model 34706-7 http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C65136%7C2312550%7C2312561&id=2113738 
This was a recommendation from Bill Rouse. I believe Amel
switch to these units on later models when they installed
the LED.  The unit will take 12 or 24 v. I used
the existing wiring and just made the 3 connections. I cut
back the wire to ensure I had a new clean connection. I had
to install a new base for the new fixture. It involved
drilling new holes in the mast top and tapping the holes for
stainless steel screws (I purchased separately). At the top
of the mast, there is a common neg and a pos for the anchor
light and a pos for the tri-color. These wires are connected
to the new base and the light unit plugs into the
base.  The unit I purchased failed within a
couple of months. Aqua-signal replaced it and even paid
shipping for the return of the old unit. So far, the
replacement has been trouble free.
 Hope this
helps.  With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  St Augustine FL









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas Struts for engine cover

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Sorry have been busy, running behind reading and replying Amel message.
Thanks Kent for replying.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Sun, 12/20/15, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas Struts for engine cover
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Sunday, December 20, 2015, 5:42 PM


 









Message 18490, Eric.Kent
On Dec 20,
2015, at 4:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Hi
Alexandre,I seem to have missed
the post where you mentioned the source for the gas
struts.Would you mind posting
it again.Fair
WindsEric  Kimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015
11:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas
Struts for engine cover    Thanks for this,
Alexandre,
I just ordered them from Bansbach
and they are now in stock and $74US each plus shipping.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy






















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Running Mon Marina, Freeport

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Hi All!

Charlton Knowles, the operator if Running Mon Marina, and my husband were just talking. Charlton told my husband he just hauled a 53 or 54 Amel. So, if there is an Amel owner on island, we would be more than happy to help however we can.

Fair Winds,
Stephanie
SM 353 Indecent

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Soft rigging for voyaging - Ocean Navigator - September 2010

Beaute Olivier
 

And so is the AMEL 55...

Merry Christmas All of you.

Olivier.


On Monday, December 21, 2015 4:12 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Joel, in that case please order one for me.
Happy Holidays
Eric
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Soft rigging for voyaging - Ocean Navigator - September 2010
 
 
Hi Eric, the AMEL 64 has a hydraulic jack for the same purpose despite conventional rigging. Just FYI

All the Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 5:08 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Soft rigging for voyaging - Ocean Navigator - September 2010

A friend of mine is rebuilding a Tartan for ocean sailing. He sent this article to me.

What are your opinions of this?

I was just on my friends Swan 66 with carbon fiber rigging on a 100+ foot mast.

Interestingly, to tighten the rigging there is a hydraulic jack at the base of the mast.

http://www.oceannavigator.com/July-August-2010/Soft-rigging-for-voyaging/

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming light & mast climbing

eric freedman
 

With respect to hauling someone up the mast. I never put the line in the jaws of the electric  winch. If it runs away I have control, and my fingers.

As I mentioned I use the new vectran ballooner halyard .

Both are tied on to the bosuns chair with bowlines.

 

I installed the LED lamp that Alexandre suggested—it is a brilliant white light and should last a very long time

I used the smaller beam angle for the mast and the wider beam angle for the cockpit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 3:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming light & mast climbing

 

 

I like parts of almost everyone's response, but Joel's is the most complete response. 

 

Comments:

I always use an ascender on an external halyard that is also a safety/reserve line. I have a 16mm piece of line that I raise to the top of the mast and use an ATN ascender on that line for safety. (http://www.atninc.com/atn-ascender-sailing-equipment.shtml) Remember if something goes wrong with your primary hoist line, the ascender will automatically grip that safety halyard and save you...BUT, you will need the person on deck to lower you with that external halyard...be sure that you are rigged for this. 

 

With the ascender on a safety halyard, I believe that you can use the extra outside spinnaker halyard as the primary hoist halyard as Eric Freedman (KIMBERLITE) described with a primary electric winch...BUT, only if that halyard is long enough to route it back to a primary electric winch. If you do this, the person operating that winch needs to be fully experienced on how that electric winch works and how to cut it off if something happens and it begins to run-away. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. The easiest shut-down would be the two main battery switches outside the battery compartment. The small breaker on the 24VDC battery panel will NOT shut down a run-away.

 

Additional Info that you need:

The only thing that I will add is that your steaming light probably has a single retaining Phillips head screw on the middle of the bottom of the clear lens retainer. The top of the lens retainer is hinged with open plastic hinges...something that you can miss and break when removing...and because the two hinges are open on top, you can accidentally drop it...when it hits the deck it will break. So loosen the screw...it will loosen, but probably not come completely out...swing the lens enclosure upward and remove it...be sure that you have a small bucket or something to place it in while you change the bulb. The bulb is a 24VDC 25 watt bayonet twin pole bulb...very common for Nav lights and the same bulb as your original port/stbd Nav lights and your tricolor...the original anchor light and stern lights were same bulb, but 10 watt. 

 

If you have never replaced the clear lens on that steaming light, I am betting that it is very crazed...you might want to go up with a replacement lens. BTW, I recently replaced my steaming light clear lens and used just the clear lens (NOT the entire lens and retainer) out of a spare stern light...same lens.

 

One last comment: If you haven't replaced your Flood light, now is the time to do it...same fixture...50W GE #4505 28VDC.

 

I hope this helps you and good luck.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

 

 

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Joe Nance cloudstreet100@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks to everyone for all of the great advice, help & explanations.

 

I plan on taking it slow & cautious.

 

I do have an Ascender and will definitely use it as well as a safety.

 

Trevor, I think you're right about the slapping line.  We lost the steaming light at about the same time that my topping lift broke loose with no main sail out.  It went flying everywhere!

 

Sure is nice to be a part of such a great group!

 

Joe

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming light & mast climbing

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I like parts of almost everyone's response, but Joel's is the most complete response. 

Comments:
I always use an ascender on an external halyard that is also a safety/reserve line. I have a 16mm piece of line that I raise to the top of the mast and use an ATN ascender on that line for safety. (http://www.atninc.com/atn-ascender-sailing-equipment.shtml) Remember if something goes wrong with your primary hoist line, the ascender will automatically grip that safety halyard and save you...BUT, you will need the person on deck to lower you with that external halyard...be sure that you are rigged for this. 

With the ascender on a safety halyard, I believe that you can use the extra outside spinnaker halyard as the primary hoist halyard as Eric Freedman (KIMBERLITE) described with a primary electric winch...BUT, only if that halyard is long enough to route it back to a primary electric winch. If you do this, the person operating that winch needs to be fully experienced on how that electric winch works and how to cut it off if something happens and it begins to run-away. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. The easiest shut-down would be the two main battery switches outside the battery compartment. The small breaker on the 24VDC battery panel will NOT shut down a run-away.

Additional Info that you need:
The only thing that I will add is that your steaming light probably has a single retaining Phillips head screw on the middle of the bottom of the clear lens retainer. The top of the lens retainer is hinged with open plastic hinges...something that you can miss and break when removing...and because the two hinges are open on top, you can accidentally drop it...when it hits the deck it will break. So loosen the screw...it will loosen, but probably not come completely out...swing the lens enclosure upward and remove it...be sure that you have a small bucket or something to place it in while you change the bulb. The bulb is a 24VDC 25 watt bayonet twin pole bulb...very common for Nav lights and the same bulb as your original port/stbd Nav lights and your tricolor...the original anchor light and stern lights were same bulb, but 10 watt. 

If you have never replaced the clear lens on that steaming light, I am betting that it is very crazed...you might want to go up with a replacement lens. BTW, I recently replaced my steaming light clear lens and used just the clear lens (NOT the entire lens and retainer) out of a spare stern light...same lens.

One last comment: If you haven't replaced your Flood light, now is the time to do it...same fixture...50W GE #4505 28VDC.

I hope this helps you and good luck.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Joe Nance cloudstreet100@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks to everyone for all of the great advice, help & explanations.

I plan on taking it slow & cautious.

I do have an Ascender and will definitely use it as well as a safety.

Trevor, I think you're right about the slapping line.  We lost the steaming light at about the same time that my topping lift broke loose with no main sail out.  It went flying everywhere!

Sure is nice to be a part of such a great group!

Joe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Soft rigging for voyaging - Ocean Navigator - September 2010

eric freedman
 

Joel, in that case please order one for me.

Happy Holidays

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Soft rigging for voyaging - Ocean Navigator - September 2010

 

 

Hi Eric, the AMEL 64 has a hydraulic jack for the same purpose despite conventional rigging. Just FYI

All the Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 5:08 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Soft rigging for voyaging - Ocean Navigator - September 2010

A friend of mine is rebuilding a Tartan for ocean sailing. He sent this article to me.

What are your opinions of this?

I was just on my friends Swan 66 with carbon fiber rigging on a 100+ foot mast.

Interestingly, to tighten the rigging there is a hydraulic jack at the base of the mast.

http://www.oceannavigator.com/July-August-2010/Soft-rigging-for-voyaging/

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas Struts for engine cover

eric freedman
 

Kent thanks

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas Struts for engine cover

 

 

Message 18490, Eric.

Kent


On Dec 20, 2015, at 4:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alexandre,

I seem to have missed the post where you mentioned the source for the gas struts.

Would you mind posting it again.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 11:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gas Struts for engine cover

 

 

Thanks for this, Alexandre,
I just ordered them from Bansbach and they are now in stock and $74US each plus shipping.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming light & mast climbing

Joe Nance
 

Thanks to everyone for all of the great advice, help & explanations.

I plan on taking it slow & cautious.

I do have an Ascender and will definitely use it as well as a safety.

Trevor, I think you're right about the slapping line.  We lost the steaming light at about the same time that my topping lift broke loose with no main sail out.  It went flying everywhere!

Sure is nice to be a part of such a great group!

Joe

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steaming light & mast climbing

seafeverofcuan
 

Joe, 
    The bulb is 25 Watt bayonet fitting, you need a fine Phillips screwdriver for the cover.

The most likely reason it has gone out is a halyard slapping close to the fitting.

If you are worried and unsure how to ascend the mast, pay a professional to change your bulb.

Glad to know that you bought decided on an Amel, you will never regret it.

Good luck.

Trevor

Seafever
SM 425
Mexico