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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

After reviewing his text I realized it was in the cabin sole.

How do you feel after leaving BeBe, I would be sad to leave Kimberlite.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 4:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

 

 

Eric,

 

I too was confused by the word "deck."

 

I am sure that he is talking about the space under the floor outside the aft head on a SM.

 

Bill

X-BeBe

Currently Galveston

 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:29 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

Are you talking about the locker on the port side of the deck?

Mine is outboard of the port cockpit locker. Or are you speaking about the locker in the cockpit to port of the mizzen mast?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

 

 

There is a storage space in the deck just outside the aft head.  I noticed I had water in it, and found that the leak occurs when using the shower head if water hits the aft door jamb.  At this location there doesn't appear to be any seal.  

 

I plan to just add some silicone sealant there, but wondered if anyone else had noticed this?  Is there a better way to fix it?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?

amelforme
 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 12:04 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?

 

 

I am so grateful for all the responses!  

We sailed this past weekend on what we hope will be our new Amel 54. Loved it. What an adventure machine!  

Thank you guys for your thoughtful and complete responses. I have no doubts nor does my beloved that we're making the right choice. 

 

I do have a few other questions if you would bear them:

 

One windlass or 2? The second windlass was optional equipment on the 54. As I have seen plenty of Amel 54’s at survey, where deficiencies are exposed, often a shiny/as new looking second windlass on deck was an oxidized inoperable hunk of scrap internally/below deck. Why? They seldom get used and inactivity is the worst thing for almost everything. If you have a second windlass, put it into rotation often and give it the exercise it requires. And test it hard at survey.

 

How much solar is enough, how much too much? Is there ever too much? I have seen 54’s with 300 watts and one with 600 watts. While both should be considered supplemental, 300 watts is helpful and 600 watts really useful. The flat plate area of solar panels has to be carefully considered prior to installation to yield optimum output yet being able to be well secured when the weather is your enemy.

 

Is one autopilot enough or is a backup the way to go? The second autopilot drive motor is an option. I equipped every 53 and 54 Amel I ever sold new with both and never had one complaint from any owner. It’s not just redundancy, which can be enough reward in itself. Amel prototypes all optional equipment installations on these models and then goes through a rigorous testing program. It was discovered that when run 12 hours on/12 hours off ( running the one on the wheel steering rack in the galley at night so the one under your berth in the aft cabin wasn’t making electrical rodent imitations, and running the one under the aft berth during daylight to give the other one a rest ) made BOTH units last longer as they never got too hot, even when steering intensely in bad weather. Heat is a big enemy of  electric motors. Use your infra red thermometer to check temps on units that have been working hard for 12 hours or more.

 

The plan is a 4 year circumnavigation. Maybe 7? Maybe 2. The average for my clients who circumnavigated was a bit more than 7. Some people on a mission to get ‘er done screwed up the curve. I sold my brother a Maramu that did it in 18 months as Madame Admiral was ill whenever the anchor was up and secured but promised her husband when he retired , she would go around the world with him. He rewarded her by dropping dead the month they got home. He was a really cool and interesting retired Swiss air force pilot who simply had done everything on his bucket list. I can’t make this stuff up… 

 

You guys are such a great crew and I really appreciate it.And none of us have much of an opinion about nothin’ 

 

Porter McRoberts.

 

Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

 

 



On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:34 AM, stevect@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Just my two pence worth, i sailed back from Rio to Cape Town on a Leopard 40 , hit 50kt wind/storm for 18hrs surfing down waves at some hairy speeds, and i was impressed how she came through the storm , but as others mentioned anything above 15kts and she was slamming all the time, it was nice have to have the space but i would rather have been on an Monohull like an Amel, the older Robertson and Caine Leopards are a lot stronger, before they recived the Moorings/ Sunsail contracts.

 

As everyone says it is a personal choice, make a list of pro's and con's , want's and need's and what you can afford and can't afford, it is not an easy decsion as we are still searching for our dream yacht and the goal posts keep moving.

 

But if you decide on a cat i  suggest you look at the leopards.

 

South Africa is certianly value for money at the moment with the exchange rate.

 

On Wednesday, 1 February 2017, 22:19, "David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Porter,

 

Ahh, the dastardly debate - cat versus mono.  We faced this choice a few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . . So you are well ahead of the curve.

 

Ours was a choice between 'conventional' mono versus cat.  So we - as mono sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420) trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French Polynesia - so as to find out first hand.  Low risk way to check it out.  We concluded, as others have reported:

 

CAT = 

- hobby-horsing

- noisy and banging and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about structural integrity, but this never proved to be a problem

- could not get used to not being able to 'feel' the boat under sail

- relying accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks

 

Positives of a cat: as said, privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters (when two engines running, otherwise . . . .  )

 

Speed under way was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were consdering.

 

Ultimately, it was for us it the ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound athletic types).  For good measure, the fact of only one propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about when things DO go wrong.  Having decided this, then the option for us was clear.  Mono.  And the mission then lead us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks).  = Ketch.  And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls, with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy.  Once we had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic' aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was made.

 

As was most of the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the wisdom of the decision.  We went to cruising forums (physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so.  Only then, did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months back.

 

That is our story.  I know everyone has their own path, and prioritising what is important is a personal choice.  But your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water, short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be roughly the same.  My belief is that you can not do better than AMEL for this.  When/if, we decide to 'retire' to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other 'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story for a, hopefully, much later time.

 

Hope this helps you in your quest,

 

Blue skies,

 

David

Novice Boat Owner

PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Let me start by again thanking you for all your help along the way.

 

I’d set to purchasing an AMEL54  and am quite committed, researched the brand and boat for a long time now.  

 

Recently a friend and long time sailor also professional captain of a 200’ private yacht commented after i showed him the AMEL 54:

 

Having lived on my own sailboat and worked for years on other owners sailboats, I highly recommend you looking into a Catamaran!  Like the one the listing broker has like a Lagoon 500!

You get twice the space, 2 engines, they are faster and have a shallow draft for anchoring in many places you will not get into with a mono-hull.  The salon and aft outside seating area are very roomy so you don't get cramped.  Mono-hull's you are always sleeping at a angle and cooking too.  I would never run one again just because of not being able to relax more like you can with a Cat hull.  The only down-side is that you usually need to be docked on the end or T-head of the marinas because of how much wider their beam is.    The best part of sailing is getting to the next destination and relaxing and enjoying the freedom of where you are.  The Cat-hull lets you stretch-out and really enjoy where you are with much more inside and outside space.  

If you have not tried one, I think you should go charter for 2-3 days a Catamaran in the BVI's then a Mono-hull and see what you think!  

You are about to spend a-lot of money and do a major life change.  I just don't want you to jump into it without trying all the options available. I have spent years and thousands of miles on Mono-hull sailboats and would never do it again with the great Catamaran options that are out there. 

 

I am about to pull the trigger, am I making the right choice?

I was pretty certain i was until the above response.

 

 

Could you lend me your thoughts?

 

Were a family of four with plans for an around the world cruise for at least 4 years.  

Am i making a mistake?  I am the kind of person who once he makes a decision then makes certain it's the right one and goes with it.  

 

Its very much appreciated.

 

Thank you again Porter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I too was confused by the word "deck."

I am sure that he is talking about the space under the floor outside the aft head on a SM.

Bill
X-BeBe
Currently Galveston

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:29 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Are you talking about the locker on the port side of the deck?

Mine is outboard of the port cockpit locker. Or are you speaking about the locker in the cockpit to port of the mizzen mast?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

 

 

There is a storage space in the deck just outside the aft head.  I noticed I had water in it, and found that the leak occurs when using the shower head if water hits the aft door jamb.  At this location there doesn't appear to be any seal.  

 

I plan to just add some silicone sealant there, but wondered if anyone else had noticed this?  Is there a better way to fix it?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Are you talking about the locker on the port side of the deck?

Mine is outboard of the port cockpit locker. Or are you speaking about the locker in the cockpit to port of the mizzen mast?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

 

 

There is a storage space in the deck just outside the aft head.  I noticed I had water in it, and found that the leak occurs when using the shower head if water hits the aft door jamb.  At this location there doesn't appear to be any seal.  

 

I plan to just add some silicone sealant there, but wondered if anyone else had noticed this?  Is there a better way to fix it?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

I agree with Mark. I had the same experience.

Bill
x-BeBe

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:44 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Duane,

 

I had a similar issue in the aft head. I ran a small bead of clear silicone around the top of the baseboard. It has been a couple of years and has not leaked since.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Warderick Wells – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

 

 

There is a storage space in the deck just outside the aft head.  I noticed I had water in it, and found that the leak occurs when using the shower head if water hits the aft door jamb.  At this location there doesn't appear to be any seal.  

 

I plan to just add some silicone sealant there, but wondered if anyone else had noticed this?  Is there a better way to fix it?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

Mark Erdos
 

Duane,

 

I had a similar issue in the aft head. I ran a small bead of clear silicone around the top of the baseboard. It has been a couple of years and has not leaked since.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Warderick Wells – Exuma Islands, Bahamas

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 1:52 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Head Leak

 

 

There is a storage space in the deck just outside the aft head.  I noticed I had water in it, and found that the leak occurs when using the shower head if water hits the aft door jamb.  At this location there doesn't appear to be any seal.  

 

I plan to just add some silicone sealant there, but wondered if anyone else had noticed this?  Is there a better way to fix it?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Aft Head Leak

Duane Siegfri
 

There is a storage space in the deck just outside the aft head.  I noticed I had water in it, and found that the leak occurs when using the shower head if water hits the aft door jamb.  At this location there doesn't appear to be any seal.  


I plan to just add some silicone sealant there, but wondered if anyone else had noticed this?  Is there a better way to fix it?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Porter,

My opinions:

Windlass
Doesn't your 54 have two windlasses? We just sold BeBe, a SM #387. The single Lofranz windlass was in perfect condition. It had ben regularly maintained. During our 40,000 miles, the only time the second anchor got wet is when we "thought" the Wasi Bugel anchor was dragging...it wasn't. If you have a single windlass and plan a circumnavigation, I would stock common spare parts.

Solar
I think that enough solar is around 400 watts which should keep your battery bank of 12 batteries from being depleted during hours that you have sunlight. It would take about 800-1000 watts of solar and a a battery bank of at least 640 amps of 24VDC to be independent and comfortable, but there probably is not room for that. And, with 400 watts of solar you will find that you will run your generator about 1 to 2 hours every other day and at that time you can wash clothes and/or make water...and charge your batteries.

Autopilot 
It is a fact that there is a 10% chance that you will lose autopilot function on an ocean crossing. If you have a single autopilot, invest in all of the spare components to replace any component failure. At the very least, buy used components on eBay, then sell them again when you have completed. The difference between purchase and sale should be considered "rent."

Length of Circumnavigation
We did it in 11 years and we sometimes felt like we should have spent more time. I will never understand people who do it in two years unless they want to get it over quickly...maybe they don't enjoy it? The enjoyment of a circumnavigation is meeting new people and experiencing new cultures...in fact, that was our reason and we visited 58 countries. If someone wants to sail a lot of miles in a hurry, they should sail the Atlantic or Pacific in a circle.

Good luck,

Bill
ex-BeBe 387
Currently Galveston, Texas


On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I am so grateful for all the responses!  
We sailed this past weekend on what we hope will be our new Amel 54. Loved it. What an adventure machine!  
Thank you guys for your thoughtful and complete responses. I have no doubts nor does my beloved that we're making the right choice. 

I do have a few other questions if you would bear them:

One windlass or 2?

How much solar is enough, how much too much? Is there ever too much?

Is one autopilot enough or is a backup the way to go?

The plan is a 4 year circumnavigation. Maybe 7? Maybe 2. 

You guys are such a great crew and I really appreciate it. 

Porter McRoberts. 




On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:34 AM, stevect@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Just my two pence worth, i sailed back from Rio to Cape Town on a Leopard 40 , hit 50kt wind/storm for 18hrs surfing down waves at some hairy speeds, and i was impressed how she came through the storm , but as others mentioned anything above 15kts and she was slamming all the time, it was nice have to have the space but i would rather have been on an Monohull like an Amel, the older Robertson and Caine Leopards are a lot stronger, before they recived the Moorings/ Sunsail contracts.

As everyone says it is a personal choice, make a list of pro's and con's , want's and need's and what you can afford and can't afford, it is not an easy decsion as we are still searching for our dream yacht and the goal posts keep moving.

But if you decide on a cat i  suggest you look at the leopards.

South Africa is certianly value for money at the moment with the exchange rate.


On Wednesday, 1 February 2017, 22:19, "David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Hi Porter,

Ahh, the dastardly debate - cat versus mono.  We faced this choice a few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . . So you are well ahead of the curve.

Ours was a choice between 'conventional' mono versus cat.  So we - as mono sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420) trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French Polynesia - so as to find out first hand.  Low risk way to check it out.  We concluded, as others have reported:

CAT = 
- hobby-horsing
- noisy and banging and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about structural integrity, but this never proved to be a problem
- could not get used to not being able to 'feel' the boat under sail
- relying accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks

Positives of a cat: as said, privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters (when two engines running, otherwise . . . .  )

Speed under way was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were consdering.

Ultimately, it was for us it the ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound athletic types).  For good measure, the fact of only one propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about when things DO go wrong.  Having decided this, then the option for us was clear.  Mono.  And the mission then lead us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks).  = Ketch.  And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls, with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy.  Once we had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic' aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was made.

As was most of the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the wisdom of the decision.  We went to cruising forums (physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so.  Only then, did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months back.

That is our story.  I know everyone has their own path, and prioritising what is important is a personal choice.  But your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water, short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be roughly the same.  My belief is that you can not do better than AMEL for this.  When/if, we decide to 'retire' to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other 'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story for a, hopefully, much later time.

Hope this helps you in your quest,

Blue skies,

David
Novice Boat Owner
PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Let me start by again thanking you for all your help along the way.

I’d set to purchasing an AMEL54  and am quite committed, researched the brand and boat for a long time now.  

Recently a friend and long time sailor also professional captain of a 200’ private yacht commented after i showed him the AMEL 54:

Having lived on my own sailboat and worked for years on other owners sailboats, I highly recommend you looking into a Catamaran!  Like the one the listing broker has like a Lagoon 500!
You get twice the space, 2 engines, they are faster and have a shallow draft for anchoring in many places you will not get into with a mono-hull.  The salon and aft outside seating area are very roomy so you don't get cramped.  Mono-hull's you are always sleeping at a angle and cooking too.  I would never run one again just because of not being able to relax more like you can with a Cat hull.  The only down-side is that you usually need to be docked on the end or T-head of the marinas because of how much wider their beam is.    The best part of sailing is getting to the next destination and relaxing and enjoying the freedom of where you are.  The Cat-hull lets you stretch-out and really enjoy where you are with much more inside and outside space.  
If you have not tried one, I think you should go charter for 2-3 days a Catamaran in the BVI's then a Mono-hull and see what you think!  
You are about to spend a-lot of money and do a major life change.  I just don't want you to jump into it without trying all the options available. I have spent years and thousands of miles on Mono-hull sailboats and would never do it again with the great Catamaran options that are out there. 

I am about to pull the trigger, am I making the right choice?
I was pretty certain i was until the above response.


Could you lend me your thoughts?

Were a family of four with plans for an around the world cruise for at least 4 years.  
Am i making a mistake?  I am the kind of person who once he makes a decision then makes certain it's the right one and goes with it.  

Its very much appreciated.

Thank you again Porter


















Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Porter,

The Amel 54 I visited had 2 windlasses.
I don’t have solar, I don’t think you can get “too much”.
My SM2K has 2 auto-pilot drive (Rotary on the Wheel and Lineary on the rudder), so I would guess the 54 has 2 as well.
Now, there is only 1 computers (on the SM2K), so would be wise to have a spare.
4 year circumnavigation seems fast…
My trip is atypical because I have 2 businesses I manage from my boat, so I go very slow, but I try to visit everything. When I was in Dominican Republic, baots would arrive, then 2 days later leave… not visit anything… there was so much to visit there… same for Puerto Rico, another often skip place with lots to visit (Camuy cave, Arecibo observatory, rain forest, old town, fort, Bacardi distillery, etc.).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Mon, 2/13/17, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:04 AM


 









I am so grateful for all the responses!
 We sailed
this past weekend on what we hope will be our new Amel 54.
Loved it. What an adventure machine!  Thank you guys for your
thoughtful and complete responses. I have no doubts nor does
my beloved that we're making the right
choice. 
I do have a few other
questions if you would bear them:
One windlass or
2?
How much solar is
enough, how much too much? Is there ever too much?
Is one autopilot enough
or is a backup the way to go?
The plan is a 4 year
circumnavigation. Maybe 7? Maybe 2. 
You guys are such a
great crew and I really appreciate it. 
Porter
McRoberts. 


Sent
from my iPhone
On Feb 13,
2017, at 7:34 AM, stevect@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 







Just
my two pence worth, i sailed back from Rio to Cape Town on a
Leopard 40 , hit 50kt wind/storm for 18hrs surfing down
waves at some hairy speeds, and i was impressed how she came
through the storm , but as others mentioned anything above
15kts and she was slamming all the time, it was nice have to
have the space but i would rather have been on an Monohull
like an Amel, the older Robertson and Caine Leopards are a
lot stronger, before they recived the Moorings/ Sunsail
contracts.
As
everyone says it is a personal choice, make a list of
pro's and con's , want's and need's and what
you can afford and can't afford, it is not an easy
decsion as we are still searching for our dream yacht and
the goal posts keep moving.
But
if you decide on a cat i  suggest you look at the
leopards.
South
Africa is certianly value for money at the moment with the
exchange rate.


On Wednesday, 1
February 2017, 22:19, "David Vogel dbv_au@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



 










Hi Porter,
Ahh, the
dastardly debate - cat versus mono.  We faced this choice a
few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . .
So you are well ahead of the curve.
Ours was a choice between
'conventional' mono versus cat.  So we - as mono
sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420)
trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French
Polynesia - so as to find out first hand.  Low risk way to
check it out.  We concluded, as others have
reported:
CAT
= - hobby-horsing- noisy and banging
and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about
structural integrity, but this never proved to be a
problem- could not get used to not being able to
'feel' the boat under sail- relying
accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than
tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks
Positives of a cat: as said,
privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters
(when two engines running, otherwise . . . .
 )
Speed under way
was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the
kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were
consdering.
Ultimately, it was for us it the
ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was
the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission
statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water
cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners
being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound
athletic types).  For good measure, the fact of only one
propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about
when things DO go wrong.  Having decided this, then the
option for us was clear.  Mono.  And the mission then lead
us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and
flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks).  =
Ketch.  And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring
also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of
sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls,
with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy.  Once we
had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to
discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic'
aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but
nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was
made.
As was most of
the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the
wisdom of the decision.  We went to cruising forums
(physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited
other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our
choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so.  Only then,
did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in
on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months
back.
That is our
story.  I know everyone has their own path, and
prioritising what is important is a personal choice.  But
your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water,
short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be
roughly the same.  My belief is that you can not do better
than AMEL for this.  When/if, we decide to 'retire'
to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may
well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a
well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other
'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story
for a, hopefully, much later time.
Hope this helps you in your
quest,
Blue
skies,
DavidNovice Boat
OwnerPERIGEE, SM#396, MartiniqueSent from Yahoo Mail for
iPad

On
Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
 









Let me
start by again thanking you for all your help along the
way.
I’d set to purchasing an AMEL54
 and am quite committed, researched the brand and boat for
a long time now.  
Recently a friend and long time
sailor also professional captain of a 200’ private yacht
commented after i showed him the AMEL 54:
Having lived on my own
sailboat and worked for years on other owners sailboats, I
highly recommend you looking into a Catamaran!  Like the
one the listing broker has like a Lagoon 500!You get twice the space, 2 engines,
they are faster and have a shallow draft for anchoring in
many places you will not get into with a mono-hull.  The
salon and aft outside seating area are very roomy so you
don't get cramped.  Mono-hull's you are always
sleeping at a angle and cooking too.  I would never run one
again just because of not being able to relax more like you
can with a Cat hull.  The only down-side is that you
usually need to be docked on the end or T-head of the
marinas because of how much wider their beam is.    The
best part of sailing is getting to the next destination and
relaxing and enjoying the freedom of where you are.  The
Cat-hull lets you stretch-out and really enjoy where you are
with much more inside and outside space.  If you have not tried one, I think
you should go charter for 2-3 days a Catamaran in the
BVI's then a Mono-hull and see what you think!
 You are
about to spend a-lot of money and do a major life change.
 I just don't want you to jump into it without trying
all the options available. I have spent years and thousands
of miles on Mono-hull sailboats and would never do it again
with the great Catamaran options that are out
there. 
I am about to pull the trigger, am I
making the right choice?I was pretty certain i was until the
above response.

Could you lend me your
thoughts?
Were a family of four with plans for
an around the world cruise for at least 4 years.
 Am i
making a mistake?  I am the kind of person who once he
makes a decision then makes certain it's the right one
and goes with it.  
Its very much
appreciated.
Thank you again Porter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?

Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
 

I am so grateful for all the responses!  
We sailed this past weekend on what we hope will be our new Amel 54. Loved it. What an adventure machine!  
Thank you guys for your thoughtful and complete responses. I have no doubts nor does my beloved that we're making the right choice. 

I do have a few other questions if you would bear them:

One windlass or 2?

How much solar is enough, how much too much? Is there ever too much?

Is one autopilot enough or is a backup the way to go?

The plan is a 4 year circumnavigation. Maybe 7? Maybe 2. 

You guys are such a great crew and I really appreciate it. 

Porter McRoberts. 




On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:34 AM, stevect@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Just my two pence worth, i sailed back from Rio to Cape Town on a Leopard 40 , hit 50kt wind/storm for 18hrs surfing down waves at some hairy speeds, and i was impressed how she came through the storm , but as others mentioned anything above 15kts and she was slamming all the time, it was nice have to have the space but i would rather have been on an Monohull like an Amel, the older Robertson and Caine Leopards are a lot stronger, before they recived the Moorings/ Sunsail contracts.

As everyone says it is a personal choice, make a list of pro's and con's , want's and need's and what you can afford and can't afford, it is not an easy decsion as we are still searching for our dream yacht and the goal posts keep moving.

But if you decide on a cat i  suggest you look at the leopards.

South Africa is certianly value for money at the moment with the exchange rate.


On Wednesday, 1 February 2017, 22:19, "David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hi Porter,

Ahh, the dastardly debate - cat versus mono.  We faced this choice a few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . . So you are well ahead of the curve.

Ours was a choice between 'conventional' mono versus cat.  So we - as mono sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420) trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French Polynesia - so as to find out first hand.  Low risk way to check it out.  We concluded, as others have reported:

CAT = 
- hobby-horsing
- noisy and banging and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about structural integrity, but this never proved to be a problem
- could not get used to not being able to 'feel' the boat under sail
- relying accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks

Positives of a cat: as said, privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters (when two engines running, otherwise . . . .  )

Speed under way was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were consdering.

Ultimately, it was for us it the ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound athletic types).  For good measure, the fact of only one propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about when things DO go wrong.  Having decided this, then the option for us was clear.  Mono.  And the mission then lead us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks).  = Ketch.  And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls, with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy.  Once we had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic' aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was made.

As was most of the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the wisdom of the decision.  We went to cruising forums (physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so.  Only then, did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months back.

That is our story.  I know everyone has their own path, and prioritising what is important is a personal choice.  But your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water, short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be roughly the same.  My belief is that you can not do better than AMEL for this.  When/if, we decide to 'retire' to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other 'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story for a, hopefully, much later time.

Hope this helps you in your quest,

Blue skies,

David
Novice Boat Owner
PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Let me start by again thanking you for all your help along the way.

I’d set to purchasing an AMEL54  and am quite committed, researched the brand and boat for a long time now.  

Recently a friend and long time sailor also professional captain of a 200’ private yacht commented after i showed him the AMEL 54:

Having lived on my own sailboat and worked for years on other owners sailboats, I highly recommend you looking into a Catamaran!  Like the one the listing broker has like a Lagoon 500!
You get twice the space, 2 engines, they are faster and have a shallow draft for anchoring in many places you will not get into with a mono-hull.  The salon and aft outside seating area are very roomy so you don't get cramped.  Mono-hull's you are always sleeping at a angle and cooking too.  I would never run one again just because of not being able to relax more like you can with a Cat hull.  The only down-side is that you usually need to be docked on the end or T-head of the marinas because of how much wider their beam is.    The best part of sailing is getting to the next destination and relaxing and enjoying the freedom of where you are.  The Cat-hull lets you stretch-out and really enjoy where you are with much more inside and outside space.  
If you have not tried one, I think you should go charter for 2-3 days a Catamaran in the BVI's then a Mono-hull and see what you think!  
You are about to spend a-lot of money and do a major life change.  I just don't want you to jump into it without trying all the options available. I have spent years and thousands of miles on Mono-hull sailboats and would never do it again with the great Catamaran options that are out there. 

I am about to pull the trigger, am I making the right choice?
I was pretty certain i was until the above response.


Could you lend me your thoughts?

Were a family of four with plans for an around the world cruise for at least 4 years.  
Am i making a mistake?  I am the kind of person who once he makes a decision then makes certain it's the right one and goes with it.  

Its very much appreciated.

Thank you again Porter

















Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?

Steve Bell s/y Dusk SM378
 


Just my two pence worth, i sailed back from Rio to Cape Town on a Leopard 40 , hit 50kt wind/storm for 18hrs surfing down waves at some hairy speeds, and i was impressed how she came through the storm , but as others mentioned anything above 15kts and she was slamming all the time, it was nice have to have the space but i would rather have been on an Monohull like an Amel, the older Robertson and Caine Leopards are a lot stronger, before they recived the Moorings/ Sunsail contracts.

As everyone says it is a personal choice, make a list of pro's and con's , want's and need's and what you can afford and can't afford, it is not an easy decsion as we are still searching for our dream yacht and the goal posts keep moving.

But if you decide on a cat i  suggest you look at the leopards.

South Africa is certianly value for money at the moment with the exchange rate.


On Wednesday, 1 February 2017, 22:19, "David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Porter,

Ahh, the dastardly debate - cat versus mono.  We faced this choice a few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . . So you are well ahead of the curve.

Ours was a choice between 'conventional' mono versus cat.  So we - as mono sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420) trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French Polynesia - so as to find out first hand.  Low risk way to check it out.  We concluded, as others have reported:

CAT = 
- hobby-horsing
- noisy and banging and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about structural integrity, but this never proved to be a problem
- could not get used to not being able to 'feel' the boat under sail
- relying accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks

Positives of a cat: as said, privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters (when two engines running, otherwise . . . .  )

Speed under way was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were consdering.

Ultimately, it was for us it the ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound athletic types).  For good measure, the fact of only one propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about when things DO go wrong.  Having decided this, then the option for us was clear.  Mono.  And the mission then lead us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks).  = Ketch.  And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls, with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy.  Once we had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic' aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was made.

As was most of the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the wisdom of the decision.  We went to cruising forums (physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so.  Only then, did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months back.

That is our story.  I know everyone has their own path, and prioritising what is important is a personal choice.  But your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water, short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be roughly the same.  My belief is that you can not do better than AMEL for this.  When/if, we decide to 'retire' to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other 'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story for a, hopefully, much later time.

Hope this helps you in your quest,

Blue skies,

David
Novice Boat Owner
PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
Let me start by again thanking you for all your help along the way.

I’d set to purchasing an AMEL54  and am quite committed, researched the brand and boat for a long time now.  

Recently a friend and long time sailor also professional captain of a 200’ private yacht commented after i showed him the AMEL 54:

Having lived on my own sailboat and worked for years on other owners sailboats, I highly recommend you looking into a Catamaran!  Like the one the listing broker has like a Lagoon 500!
You get twice the space, 2 engines, they are faster and have a shallow draft for anchoring in many places you will not get into with a mono-hull.  The salon and aft outside seating area are very roomy so you don't get cramped.  Mono-hull's you are always sleeping at a angle and cooking too.  I would never run one again just because of not being able to relax more like you can with a Cat hull.  The only down-side is that you usually need to be docked on the end or T-head of the marinas because of how much wider their beam is.    The best part of sailing is getting to the next destination and relaxing and enjoying the freedom of where you are.  The Cat-hull lets you stretch-out and really enjoy where you are with much more inside and outside space.  
If you have not tried one, I think you should go charter for 2-3 days a Catamaran in the BVI's then a Mono-hull and see what you think!  
You are about to spend a-lot of money and do a major life change.  I just don't want you to jump into it without trying all the options available. I have spent years and thousands of miles on Mono-hull sailboats and would never do it again with the great Catamaran options that are out there. 

I am about to pull the trigger, am I making the right choice?
I was pretty certain i was until the above response.


Could you lend me your thoughts?

Were a family of four with plans for an around the world cruise for at least 4 years.  
Am i making a mistake?  I am the kind of person who once he makes a decision then makes certain it's the right one and goes with it.  

Its very much appreciated.

Thank you again Porter

















Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Proud new SM owners:

eric freedman
 

Welcome aboard,

If you happen to be in St Maarten this winter or Long Island this summer , please drop me a note.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 10:02 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Proud new SM owners:

 

 

Welcome Dan and Lori

 

Great to hear it all went well and that you are planning to be active in this group. You would certainly have a wonderful boat having purchased Bill & Judy. Wishing you both many happy years of sailing on SV BeBe.

 

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane

 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:00 AM, dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all, it's been a month now since we moved aboard, so we are overdue to check in. We are Dan and Lori Carlson, the proud new owners of SM387, sv BeBe. I can't say enough good about the whole buying process. We spent 4 days with Bill and Judy in Trinidad in July when we agreed on the purchase. In January we joined them again in the USVI for 16 days to close on the sale and learn all we could about the boat and how to live comfortably aboard. They were an amazing resource for us to get an accelerated start on cruising; Bill for all things technical, going through all of the routine service tasks as well as the sustantial stock of spares for most things that can go wrong and Judy's instruction and tips for how to keep the boat comfortable and all of the great places to go. The boat was in pristine condition and all systems ready to go.
We are looking forward to slowly working our way south and east over the next 5 months before taking a break for the summer.
And yes, the Amel Owners group was a strong selling point for the boat. And yes, I have already started on some boat maintenance chores and hope to share more on this forum in the future.



 

--

Colin Streeter

0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Proud new SM owners:

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Welcome Dan and Lori

Great to hear it all went well and that you are planning to be active in this group. You would certainly have a wonderful boat having purchased Bill & Judy. Wishing you both many happy years of sailing on SV BeBe.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:00 AM, dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all, it's been a month now since we moved aboard, so we are overdue to check in. We are Dan and Lori Carlson, the proud new owners of SM387, sv BeBe. I can't say enough good about the whole buying process. We spent 4 days with Bill and Judy in Trinidad in July when we agreed on the purchase. In January we joined them again in the USVI for 16 days to close on the sale and learn all we could about the boat and how to live comfortably aboard. They were an amazing resource for us to get an accelerated start on cruising; Bill for all things technical, going through all of the routine service tasks as well as the sustantial stock of spares for most things that can go wrong and Judy's instruction and tips for how to keep the boat comfortable and all of the great places to go. The boat was in pristine condition and all systems ready to go.
We are looking forward to slowly working our way south and east over the next 5 months before taking a break for the summer.
And yes, the Amel Owners group was a strong selling point for the boat. And yes, I have already started on some boat maintenance chores and hope to share more on this forum in the future.




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Proud new SM owners:

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all, it's been a month now since we moved aboard, so we are overdue to check in. We are Dan and Lori Carlson, the proud new owners of SM387, sv BeBe. I can't say enough good about the whole buying process. We spent 4 days with Bill and Judy in Trinidad in July when we agreed on the purchase. In January we joined them again in the USVI for 16 days to close on the sale and learn all we could about the boat and how to live comfortably aboard. They were an amazing resource for us to get an accelerated start on cruising; Bill for all things technical, going through all of the routine service tasks as well as the sustantial stock of spares for most things that can go wrong and Judy's instruction and tips for how to keep the boat comfortable and all of the great places to go. The boat was in pristine condition and all systems ready to go.
We are looking forward to slowly working our way south and east over the next 5 months before taking a break for the summer.
And yes, the Amel Owners group was a strong selling point for the boat. And yes, I have already started on some boat maintenance chores and hope to share more on this forum in the future.


Re: Diruptor problems.

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

In the case of Peregrinus, the 24V Diruptor for the Raytheon autopilot tripped at one point last year while sailing.  It was a clear, calm day and if anything any workload on the autopilot at the time was light/below average.  The boat was switched over to its B&G autopilot for the rest of the day.  

The Raytheon was again used numerous sailing days after that as follows:

(1) Permanently on while sailing, on standby, with the other autopilot engaged
(2) Frequently engaged, with the other autopilot on standby

There were never any other trippings of the breaker for any reason.  
The unexplained tripping remained unexplained.

Cheerio,

SM2K Nr. 350 (2002)
Venice


Re: Sharki Parts

enpassant50 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Tom,
The parts are listed on eBay. Only the NECO autopilot parts and the prop alternator are still listed. You can find them with an eBay search to check the current prices. I no longer have the boat. 
Thanks.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder nut wrench

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

I have 3 different types….. the absolute best is the one from Amel.  Cheapest too.

Take it for what it’s worth.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007.


On 11 Feb 2017, at 16:06, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,
If you look in the photo section you will find this wrench.
I had a spare rudder nut and brought it to a machine shop with a sketch.
I had them make it short so I could turn it in the small space.
They made it out of aluminum plate. It is as thick as the flange on the packing nut.
Just remove the rudder nut stop and tighten the packing. A 5 minute job even if you are at sea.
Works perfectly and costs about $70 US.
 
 
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder
 
 
Hi Mark,
sorry I saw this tool on topic "replacing seal on the rudder" from a special advise contribute.
I don't remember the name of the member as they stollen my PC in Madagascar and I have lost my records.
So some one on line may help us or we have to search on old messages.
I remember it was possible to buy on ebay.
Ciao
Giovanni


----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 11-feb-2017 17.23
A: <amelyachtowners@...>

Ogg: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder


----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 11-feb-2017 17.23
A: <amelyachtowners@...>
Ogg: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder

 
Hi Giovanni,
   Please describe "the fix special tool."  Who makes it and where can one buy it?
Thanks.
  Mark Pitt,  Sabbatical III, ASM #419
 
On 2/11/2017 10:46 AM, 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi to all,

I did the job.

This the synthetic weights location :

bow: 2 anchors, 2 sails in right locker,  I added 4 jerrycans 20lt each

stern: no roll-bar, no solar pannels,no wind generator.

On the after deck : alluminium dinghy 2.90 mt +8 HP

Stern  locker: bicycle, 1 genoa, 1 gennaker, 1 folding  Zodiac 3.10 mt

Fuel tank : 580 lt. Water tank: 300 lt

External conditions : evident swell inside the harbour, so no flat water.  20 knt from stern so little choppimg against the stern.

In these conditions the water level was some mm under  the top seals . So no water when I removed the nut.

I decided not to replace the 5 months old seals. I removed the nut only to better check possible problems with the threads. It was all ok.

I followed Italian Amel dealer’s advice and  I added, over  the seals, a layer of blu grease (for HB) than I turned the nut 1/6 more than before. I didn't kill the nut, only to stay in right position with the safety little steel block. 
I used the Budget Marine adjustable wrench, it works properly only if all the connections and plate are removed. ASAP I ll buy the fix special tool.

Before, with the boat not sailing, I had very little leakage . Sailing, wind and swell, half glass h24-

We ll see on next passage to Mossel Bay _170 mg….crossing fingers.

Many tanks to all, to the next update.

Buon Vento

Giovanni

Sv EUTIKIA SM n 428

 

 

 



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Re: Looking for info on early 80s Maramus

rossny@mail.com
 

Hi Jacob,
 How did the survey go? Did you buy Pure Vida?
Thanks, 
Ross
Maramu #261 1989
Toast (one side) Formally "Eyes of the world"


Rudder nut wrench

eric freedman
 

Hi All,

If you look in the photo section you will find this wrench.

I had a spare rudder nut and brought it to a machine shop with a sketch.

I had them make it short so I could turn it in the small space.

They made it out of aluminum plate. It is as thick as the flange on the packing nut.

Just remove the rudder nut stop and tighten the packing. A 5 minute job even if you are at sea.

Works perfectly and costs about $70 US.

 

https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/photostream/lightbox/395547848?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/395547848

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder

 

 

Hi Mark,
sorry I saw this tool on topic "replacing seal on the rudder" from a special advise contribute.
I don't remember the name of the member as they stollen my PC in Madagascar and I have lost my records.
So some one on line may help us or we have to search on old messages.
I remember it was possible to buy on ebay.
Ciao
Giovanni


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Ogg: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder

 

Hi Giovanni,

   Please describe "the fix special tool."  Who makes it and where can one buy it?

Thanks.

  Mark Pitt,  Sabbatical III, ASM #419

 

On 2/11/2017 10:46 AM, 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi to all,

I did the job.

This the synthetic weights location :

bow: 2 anchors, 2 sails in right locker,  I added 4 jerrycans 20lt each

stern: no roll-bar, no solar pannels,no wind generator.

On the after deck : alluminium dinghy 2.90 mt +8 HP

Stern  locker: bicycle, 1 genoa, 1 gennaker, 1 folding  Zodiac 3.10 mt

Fuel tank : 580 lt. Water tank: 300 lt

External conditions : evident swell inside the harbour, so no flat water.  20 knt from stern so little choppimg against the stern.

In these conditions the water level was some mm under  the top seals . So no water when I removed the nut.

I decided not to replace the 5 months old seals. I removed the nut only to better check possible problems with the threads. It was all ok.

I followed Italian Amel dealer’s advice and  I added, over  the seals, a layer of blu grease (for HB) than I turned the nut 1/6 more than before. I didn't kill the nut, only to stay in right position with the safety little steel block. 
I used the Budget Marine adjustable wrench, it works properly only if all the connections and plate are removed. ASAP I ll buy the fix special tool.

Before, with the boat not sailing, I had very little leakage . Sailing, wind and swell, half glass h24-

We ll see on next passage to Mossel Bay _170 mg….crossing fingers.

Many tanks to all, to the next update.

Buon Vento

Giovanni

Sv EUTIKIA SM n 428

 

 

 


R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi Mark,
sorry I saw this tool on topic "replacing seal on the rudder" from a special advise contribute.
I don't remember the name of the member as they stollen my PC in Madagascar and I have lost my records.
So some one on line may help us or we have to search on old messages.
I remember it was possible to buy on ebay.
Ciao
Giovanni


----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 11-feb-2017 17.23
A:

Ogg: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder


----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 11-feb-2017 17.23
A:
Ogg: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: UPDATE_ replacing seal on the rudder

 

Hi Giovanni,

   Please describe "the fix special tool."  Who makes it and where can one buy it?

Thanks.

  Mark Pitt,  Sabbatical III, ASM #419


On 2/11/2017 10:46 AM, 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Hi to all,

I did the job.

This the synthetic weights location :

bow: 2 anchors, 2 sails in right locker,  I added 4 jerrycans 20lt each

stern: no roll-bar, no solar pannels,no wind generator.

On the after deck : alluminium dinghy 2.90 mt +8 HP

Stern  locker: bicycle, 1 genoa, 1 gennaker, 1 folding  Zodiac 3.10 mt

Fuel tank : 580 lt. Water tank: 300 lt

External conditions : evident swell inside the harbour, so no flat water.  20 knt from stern so little choppimg against the stern.

In these conditions the water level was some mm under  the top seals . So no water when I removed the nut.

I decided not to replace the 5 months old seals. I removed the nut only to better check possible problems with the threads. It was all ok.

I followed Italian Amel dealer’s advice and  I added, over  the seals, a layer of blu grease (for HB) than I turned the nut 1/6 more than before. I didn't kill the nut, only to stay in right position with the safety little steel block. 
I used the Budget Marine adjustable wrench, it works properly only if all the connections and plate are removed. ASAP I ll buy the fix special tool.

Before, with the boat not sailing, I had very little leakage . Sailing, wind and swell, half glass h24-

We ll see on next passage to Mossel Bay _170 mg….crossing fingers.

Many tanks to all, to the next update.

Buon Vento

Giovanni

Sv EUTIKIA SM n 428