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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Mass -defect

Barry Connor
 

Do you have a Bose system?
I had and still have a light on the minus when my audio is connected from the CD box to the main Bose system under the forward saloon seat. 
I am a new owner only bought in June.
My anodes only lasted 2 months. Just found the problem a few weeks ago.
Am contacting Bose.

Barry
Lady Penelope II
Amel 54 #17


On Nov 24, 2015, at 9:28 PM, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hallo to all in the group,


since a week now,I have the same problem:
when testing the electricity leak to the minus ,the light goes ON.

I would appreciate an advice ,what can it be and what is the plan to find it.

thanks,
Ofer
Alba Amel 54 #160

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Mass -defect

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ofer,

Sorry to read about your Mass problem…

August 2014 the Mass Circuit light would go one:
http://nikimat.com/mass_circuit_electrolysis_protection.html

Ian Shepherd SM2K #414 Crusader said it had that twice and on both occasion it was caused by a leaking seal on the toilet macerator pump.
It was also my case.
As Ian mentioned: I disconnected the positive and negative wires, tested the "mass circuit electric leak" and no more light! The leak was found.
Just in case, connected back and of course light back up!

Here is what Ian added later on:
Just a bit of logic which says that current leakage is most likely caused by sea water getting into something electrical through wear, such as the seals on an electrical motor.
This narrows it down quite a bit, and luck played its part by my looking at the macerator motors first. Don't think too deep.
The wiring on an Amel is pretty well installed and robust and so is unlikely to be at fault.

Later on did additional tests: which was trying to find the leak by switching Off the Head Diruptor in the engine room.
Unfortunately, it did not help finding the faulty device, I “guess” because connected to the positive wire.

I am not sure that I can assume since mine show “Negative Mass” you will find the leak from a negative wire, but it would be my “guess”.
To be in the safe side, I would disconnect both positive and negative wire one by one of all system onboard and see if the light stops.

Again, I am not knowledgeable enough and can only share my experience and how Ian helped me solve this issue.
Hope you get more feedback and please keep up posted.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Heaven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Tue, 11/24/15, magenofer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Mass -defect
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2015, 2:28 PM


 









Hallo to all in the group,
since a week now,I have the same
problem:when testing the electricity leak to the
minus ,the light goes ON.
I would appreciate an advice ,what
can it be and what is the plan to find it.
thanks,OferAlba
Amel 54 #160









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head furling maintanence

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Probably, using the silicone allows the "filling-in" of irregular bumps and cracks in the gasket and the casing...it creates a better seal, especially when using an old gasket.

Sorry, I misread Finike for Fethiye. 

Bill

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:01 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill!
Thank you I don not think that kind of silicon is available in Finike where I am (ca 75 nM east of Fethiye), would "normal" outdoor one component silicon do the job?
Regards
Paul S/Y Kerpa SAM#259 winter in Finike


Re: Head furling maintanence

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill!
Thank you I don not think that kind of silicon is available in Finike where I am (ca 75 nM east of Fethiye), would "normal" outdoor one component silicon do the job?
Regards
Paul S/Y Kerpa SAM#259 winter in Finike

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head furling maintanence

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Sand as much as you can off of the casing, then prime it with metal primer before using a top coat of epoxy paint. You should probably paint the gray color part at the same time. I have seen the gasket applied with some Silicone RTV (RTV Silicone (room temperature vulcanization silicone) is a type of silicone rubber made from a two-component system (base plus curative; A+B) available in a hardness range of very soft to medium). I would use a thin coat of Silicone RTV...not glue.

Are you staying at Yacht Classic Hotel Dock in Fethiye? If so, say hello to Bob Rossi on KAIMI SM 429. And be sure to say hello to our friend Banu, one of the owners.

Bill
BeBe

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:18 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello!

I have dismantle the casing over the headsail furler motor, everything looked to my amatör eyes rather ok

some carbon dust that I vacuumed away.

Now to my questions:


The carbons protruded about 8 mm above its slot, assume that should be rather ok, no need to change?


The casing was sealed with only a rubber gasket, it looks as it has been some glue on one of the sides, as it is one of the most exposed positions on the boat I would like to know that I do what I can not to have any water to ingress into the casing, Shall I use the same gasket? add some special glue or ......


When dismantled, is there any other thing I can do to service the furling engine/Gear?


The case it rather corroded and most of the paint is gone, I though of put on some epoxi pant any advice?


Regards

Paul

S/K Kerpa SM#259 winter stay in Finike Turkey





Head furling maintanence

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

I have dismantle the casing over the headsail furler motor, everything looked to my amatör eyes rather ok

some carbon dust that I vacuumed away.

Now to my questions:


The carbons protruded about 8 mm above its slot, assume that should be rather ok, no need to change?


The casing was sealed with only a rubber gasket, it looks as it has been some glue on one of the sides, as it is one of the most exposed positions on the boat I would like to know that I do what I can not to have any water to ingress into the casing, Shall I use the same gasket? add some special glue or ......


When dismantled, is there any other thing I can do to service the furling engine/Gear?


The case it rather corroded and most of the paint is gone, I though of put on some epoxi pant any advice?


Regards

Paul

S/K Kerpa SM#259 winter stay in Finike Turkey




Engine Mechanics - Nothing to do with Jamie and Phantom

yahoogroups@...
 

John (Popeye Maramu #91) wrote, "As an Amel owner, having a mechanic critisize the installation, in this case the exhaust system, raises alarm bells. As far as I know that's nearly always is a red herring resulting in a mechanic getting more work before eventually the logic of Amel is realised."

 

This is so true. When any mechanic or surveyor...or any other so-called expert begins to say something like, "we don't do it that way," or, "...that isn't the way it is done," fire the mechanic.


There are dozens of stories in this Yahoo Group about "experts" who ruined some really fine Amels while quoting some other "expert."


Thanks for the reminder, John....so few words, but lots of really good advice! I hope everyone reads it!


Bill

BeBe 387

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Pat,
All the best to you and Diane for Christmas also. And to all you others in the Amel Family we wish you the very best for the Christmas season.
Danny And Yvonne
Ocean Pearl SM 299



From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2015 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Danny, I thought it to be a long shot and I know you usually find water in the oil. I thought perhaps a flaw in the gasket away from a oil passage but getting to a cylinder could result in lost compression , but I guess it would still fire on the other cylinders. My understanding is that if the secret switch was off or faulty  , the engine would not turn over . Thanks for getting back, and Diane and I wish you and Yvonne a Merry Christmas !
Pat SM #123
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2015 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Pat, I am no expert, I have just worked with diesel engines all my life. These weird problems baffle me too.With a blown head gasket usually only one or two cylinders are affected. With non electronic controlled engines with one the engine could start but be running on three. With two gone I would expect firing on the other two. Whether the electronics would make a difference I don't know. If the head gasket had blown during the last use (it wouldn't blow when unused) they would have heard the engine running rough or misfiring. Likewise with a warped head. Because of the sudden failure to start after a long successful run and no history of trouble I remain strongly suspicious it is an electrical/electronic fault. That's why I hoped a compression check could be done. The secret switch question highlights this. Does it have one? Is it faulty? Or is it a fault that mimics it.
We all feel for Jamie and I can see why he is leaning toward a new engine. I would have caved in long before now.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2015 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Danny, I am not addressing this to Jamie, because I feel sorry for all the questions that he has had to respond to over the last month or so . I also know you can probably answer this. Could a blown head gasket and / or a warped head cause an engine from firing ? I have not heard this suggested and was wondering . Jamie very sorry for your problems .
Thanks,
Pat SM #123
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
I would love to hear the engine has roared into life before we abandon the thread. Like your occams razor Eric
Cheers
Danny


From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Hi,
We have repeated this over and over again. A borescope would be good. However if the head is removed you can also see the valves and seats.
Seems like everyone agrees the head should come off. If I was there I am sure it would be at most a 3-4 hour job depending on how much other stuff has to come off (heat exchanger (possibly ) etc.
There is nothing to lose. As stated a few hand tools is all that is necessary. If the engine is totally shot—(Which I seriously doubt) just put it back together without gaskets and then change it.
The mechanics seem to be in a he said she said mode—how about some facts?? Do you know of
 
I THINK THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...?]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54
 
 
I would absolutely agree....pulling the head is not a big job...and it lets you see the guts of the engine...maybe it is buggered...but it may not be...all you need is a good socket set and some spanners and screw drivers, and hours work...
A LOT less than a new engine !!
Almost any diesel engine can be repaired...they are the most robust means of propulsion known to man.
Give it a go !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 






Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

jjjk12s@...
 

As this thread continues I am sure inferances that the problem is really simple and anyone else could fix it fairly easily must be very irritating.

I have two commercial boats as well as my Amel and all have engines with mechanical fuel pumps because this is exactly the sort of problem electronic engines have in the marine environment... when you have a fault it's so hard to know if it's mechanical, electrical or even just software. I'm sure anyone who has experience with engines where  a confident diagnosis of the problem is missing will sympathise with Jamie.

 

My understanding is the initial problem was diagnosed (after the engine was running fine) as the fuel pump not pressurising and the pump and ECU were changed and didn't fix it, and no error codes were found. The subsequent problem discovered was corrosion in the inlet manifold.

 

If Jamie can bear it, removing the head to see if there is any cylinder or valve damage associated with the corrosion in the inlet mainfold is worthwhile as the inside of the engine may well be fine. But this mainly relates to the second pronblem. Not knowing the whole picture I suspect he still has an underlying undiagnosed fuel issue, either relating to one of the changed parts being faulty or something wierd happening with a sensor affecting the electronic fuel pump management. Another possibility is something in the fuel system but we would have to assume that's the first thing the mechanics checked. I would also check the fuel return as well as supply as I wonder if a blocked fuel return pipe would directly or indirectly effect the pressure sensor in the pump. Probably unlikely but easy to check and often overlooked.

 

As an Amel owner, having a mechanic critisize the installation, in this case the exhaust system, raises alarm bells. As far as I know that's nearly always is a red herring resulting in a mechanic getting more work before eventually the logic of Amel is realised.

 

So far this very long thread has still not answered his problem. I think the main use is to help balance the tendency of modern mechanics to too readily change things rather than fix them to save time and effort and make the money from the sale, but I guess Jamie knew that already. It certainly has given him food for thought.  Hopefully it hasn't produced wild goose chases and will make him think carefully before redesigning the exhaust system and potentially devaluing his boat.

 

If I was him, and was that pissed-ff with the engine and was thinking of changing it, I would take it out and get the whole thing to a workshop to get them to try to fix it IN the workshop. I would still probably check the cylinder head first to confirm there was no expensive water related repairs required. If I still wanted to change the engine after seeing the cylinders and valves, and was going on the World ARC, I would probably buy the same engine again to save the very significant hidden costs and compexity of installing a different brand, sell the old block and keep as many spares as I could carry like water pump, starter motor, alternator, hoses, etc. But I'm not Jamie and haven't seen his boat.

 

John Maruma #91 Popeye

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I thought it to be a long shot and I know you usually find water in the oil. I thought perhaps a flaw in the gasket away from a oil passage but getting to a cylinder could result in lost compression , but I guess it would still fire on the other cylinders. My understanding is that if the secret switch was off or faulty  , the engine would not turn over . Thanks for getting back, and Diane and I wish you and Yvonne a Merry Christmas !
Pat SM #123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2015 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Pat, I am no expert, I have just worked with diesel engines all my life. These weird problems baffle me too.With a blown head gasket usually only one or two cylinders are affected. With non electronic controlled engines with one the engine could start but be running on three. With two gone I would expect firing on the other two. Whether the electronics would make a difference I don't know. If the head gasket had blown during the last use (it wouldn't blow when unused) they would have heard the engine running rough or misfiring. Likewise with a warped head. Because of the sudden failure to start after a long successful run and no history of trouble I remain strongly suspicious it is an electrical/electronic fault. That's why I hoped a compression check could be done. The secret switch question highlights this. Does it have one? Is it faulty? Or is it a fault that mimics it.
We all feel for Jamie and I can see why he is leaning toward a new engine. I would have caved in long before now.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2015 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Danny, I am not addressing this to Jamie, because I feel sorry for all the questions that he has had to respond to over the last month or so . I also know you can probably answer this. Could a blown head gasket and / or a warped head cause an engine from firing ? I have not heard this suggested and was wondering . Jamie very sorry for your problems .
Thanks,
Pat SM #123
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
I would love to hear the engine has roared into life before we abandon the thread. Like your occams razor Eric
Cheers
Danny


From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Hi,
We have repeated this over and over again. A borescope would be good. However if the head is removed you can also see the valves and seats.
Seems like everyone agrees the head should come off. If I was there I am sure it would be at most a 3-4 hour job depending on how much other stuff has to come off (heat exchanger (possibly ) etc.
There is nothing to lose. As stated a few hand tools is all that is necessary. If the engine is totally shot—(Which I seriously doubt) just put it back together without gaskets and then change it.
The mechanics seem to be in a he said she said mode—how about some facts?? Do you know of
 
I THINK THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...?]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54
 
 
I would absolutely agree....pulling the head is not a big job...and it lets you see the guts of the engine...maybe it is buggered...but it may not be...all you need is a good socket set and some spanners and screw drivers, and hours work...
A LOT less than a new engine !!
Almost any diesel engine can be repaired...they are the most robust means of propulsion known to man.
Give it a go !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 




B&G Hydra 2000 Depth Gauge Calibration

Mark Erdos
 

Does anyone have a quick guide or cheat-sheet on how to adjust the B&G Hydra 2000 depth calibration? Also, if someone knows how low below the waterline the transducer is mounted (or how high it is above the bottom of the keel), this would be most helpful and save me a dive with a tape measure.

 

I think I may have lost my settings when we had to disconnect the battery bank when replacing the Link10. The depth gauge use to read depth under the keel. If it read zero, I was aground (ask me how I know this). But now, I think it reads the distance from the transducer to the floor.

 

I have the instructions and it says datum is entered under DEPTH ® DEPTH, CALBRATE ® DEPTH  

 

I swear reading this instructional book is like reading IRS instructions.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Green Turtle Cay, Bahamas

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Pat, I am no expert, I have just worked with diesel engines all my life. These weird problems baffle me too.With a blown head gasket usually only one or two cylinders are affected. With non electronic controlled engines with one the engine could start but be running on three. With two gone I would expect firing on the other two. Whether the electronics would make a difference I don't know. If the head gasket had blown during the last use (it wouldn't blow when unused) they would have heard the engine running rough or misfiring. Likewise with a warped head. Because of the sudden failure to start after a long successful run and no history of trouble I remain strongly suspicious it is an electrical/electronic fault. That's why I hoped a compression check could be done. The secret switch question highlights this. Does it have one? Is it faulty? Or is it a fault that mimics it.
We all feel for Jamie and I can see why he is leaning toward a new engine. I would have caved in long before now.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2015 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Danny, I am not addressing this to Jamie, because I feel sorry for all the questions that he has had to respond to over the last month or so . I also know you can probably answer this. Could a blown head gasket and / or a warped head cause an engine from firing ? I have not heard this suggested and was wondering . Jamie very sorry for your problems .
Thanks,
Pat SM #123
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
I would love to hear the engine has roared into life before we abandon the thread. Like your occams razor Eric
Cheers
Danny


From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Hi,
We have repeated this over and over again. A borescope would be good. However if the head is removed you can also see the valves and seats.
Seems like everyone agrees the head should come off. If I was there I am sure it would be at most a 3-4 hour job depending on how much other stuff has to come off (heat exchanger (possibly ) etc.
There is nothing to lose. As stated a few hand tools is all that is necessary. If the engine is totally shot—(Which I seriously doubt) just put it back together without gaskets and then change it.
The mechanics seem to be in a he said she said mode—how about some facts?? Do you know of
 
I THINK THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...?]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54
 
 
I would absolutely agree....pulling the head is not a big job...and it lets you see the guts of the engine...maybe it is buggered...but it may not be...all you need is a good socket set and some spanners and screw drivers, and hours work...
A LOT less than a new engine !!
Almost any diesel engine can be repaired...they are the most robust means of propulsion known to man.
Give it a go !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I will answer your question: It depends.

Bill
BeBe387

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny, I am not addressing this to Jamie, because I feel sorry for all the questions that he has had to respond to over the last month or so . I also know you can probably answer this. Could a blown head gasket and / or a warped head cause an engine from firing ? I have not heard this suggested and was wondering . Jamie very sorry for your problems .
Thanks,
Pat SM #123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
I would love to hear the engine has roared into life before we abandon the thread. Like your occams razor Eric
Cheers
Danny


From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Hi,
We have repeated this over and over again. A borescope would be good. However if the head is removed you can also see the valves and seats.
Seems like everyone agrees the head should come off. If I was there I am sure it would be at most a 3-4 hour job depending on how much other stuff has to come off (heat exchanger (possibly ) etc.
There is nothing to lose. As stated a few hand tools is all that is necessary. If the engine is totally shot—(Which I seriously doubt) just put it back together without gaskets and then change it.
The mechanics seem to be in a he said she said mode—how about some facts?? Do you know of
 
I THINK THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54
 
 
I would absolutely agree....pulling the head is not a big job...and it lets you see the guts of the engine...maybe it is buggered...but it may not be...all you need is a good socket set and some spanners and screw drivers, and hours work...
A LOT less than a new engine !!
Almost any diesel engine can be repaired...they are the most robust means of propulsion known to man.
Give it a go !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Alan

Herewith below was Riza's price to us which he had discounted below his normal price as we purchased the Davits and a lot of other items at the same time, and in the same shipment.

Freight was around $800 euro extra, I think, then Import duty and GST added to that when it arrived at customs here in Australia. Probably a fair bit more expensive than having a local rigger make it up here but as I said before, good peace of mind and everything fitted like a glove making it easy for any rigger to install as Riza's measurements were precise and every bit to replace the lot was included and easy to work out what went where. Just the main mast front stay to go now and the triatic (which included HF isolators too by the way) which will be done this week.

1-      Complete set of Rigging of Supermaramu incl.Isolator -------- 7800 EUR.

 German wires , certificated. All turnbackles on deck and on mast .


Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane, Australia


On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 8:30 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,


Can you tell us what the cost was for the rigging ???

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I am not addressing this to Jamie, because I feel sorry for all the questions that he has had to respond to over the last month or so . I also know you can probably answer this. Could a blown head gasket and / or a warped head cause an engine from firing ? I have not heard this suggested and was wondering . Jamie very sorry for your problems .
Thanks,
Pat SM #123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
I would love to hear the engine has roared into life before we abandon the thread. Like your occams razor Eric
Cheers
Danny


From: "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2015 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

 
Hi,
We have repeated this over and over again. A borescope would be good. However if the head is removed you can also see the valves and seats.
Seems like everyone agrees the head should come off. If I was there I am sure it would be at most a 3-4 hour job depending on how much other stuff has to come off (heat exchanger (possibly ) etc.
There is nothing to lose. As stated a few hand tools is all that is necessary. If the engine is totally shot—(Which I seriously doubt) just put it back together without gaskets and then change it.
The mechanics seem to be in a he said she said mode—how about some facts?? Do you know of
 
I THINK THIS THREAD HAS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 4:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54
 
 
I would absolutely agree....pulling the head is not a big job...and it lets you see the guts of the engine...maybe it is buggered...but it may not be...all you need is a good socket set and some spanners and screw drivers, and hours work...
A LOT less than a new engine !!
Almost any diesel engine can be repaired...they are the most robust means of propulsion known to man.
Give it a go !!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help with explanation of terms in re Santorin, 1993

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The original posting from Jessica Haas read:

"Hey guys looking for information on and best way to get PHRF for my 82 Amel Mango." 

Performance Handicap Racing Fleet (PHRF) is a handicapping system used for yacht racing in North America. It allows dissimilar classes of sailboats to be raced against each other.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 2:00 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

PCMC = Personal Computer Mermory Card.  AKA PCMCIA where IA = International Association.


Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Help with explanation of terms in re Santorin, 1993

Duane Siegfri
 

PCMC = Personal Computer Mermory Card.  AKA PCMCIA where IA = International Association.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Colin, 
I think this motor is a winner .  I too got 9.5 knots  @ 3100 rpm going slightly off the wind and seas..

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Dec 13, 2015, at 5:05 AM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben

Glad to hear that it was simply a prop cleaning issue which we assumed would be the case. You will love that engine we're sure as it is a good match to the SM. We have just discovered that none of our recent responses to this forum got sent from the new mobile phone so will answer your previous question again about what RPM's we usually run at.

When motor sailing we tend to run the motor at approx 1500 RPM's and 1700 - 1800 when motoring long range. When on a tight schedule we may run at 2200 - 2400 but seldom over this other than an occasional burst for 5 mins or so every hour at 3000 - 3300 or max depending on prop and hull cleanliness. Generally we tend to average about 6.8kts - 7.5kts but can do 9.5 when everything is clean and slippery. The good thing about that motor is the extended motoring range you get as the 75 HP Yanmar is extremely frugal but also simple to maintain and wonderfully reliable.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane, Australia


On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

A thorough prop cleaning solved my problem.  RPMs went from 1800 to 3100 and pushed boat to over 9 knots.. At next haul out in July,  I will  properly service prop.  Thanks to all for  solid  guidance on this issue .  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Dec 6, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I can, after I rebuild it, but I'm very happy with my MaxProp and really just need a spare prop.
Either would work fin temporarily.
Kent


On Dec 6, 2015, at 6:47 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Can’t you use the autoprop with your new engine?

It is such a great prop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:09 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

When I was told by Bruntons that my Autoprop was what they recommended for a SM with 100 HP Yanmar, I had my fixed prop (which a good prop shop said was also over pitched for my 78 HP Volvo) repitched to what was recommended and got good rpm  again.  The Autoprop couldn't be repitched, so I replaced it with a MaxProp...not so persnickety as the AutoProp.

I wish I'd serviced the Autoprop first, it might have saved me 1000's of $.

 

I still have the repitched fixed prop (which is now under pitched for my new 110 Yanmar), and the old Autoprop which still hasn't been rebuilt.

If any one would like to buy either of these (but not both) I'd be happy to sell it for about half price plus shipping.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 

Karkauai at yahoo dot com


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Hi Ben

Glad to hear that it was simply a prop cleaning issue which we assumed would be the case. You will love that engine we're sure as it is a good match to the SM. We have just discovered that none of our recent responses to this forum got sent from the new mobile phone so will answer your previous question again about what RPM's we usually run at.

When motor sailing we tend to run the motor at approx 1500 RPM's and 1700 - 1800 when motoring long range. When on a tight schedule we may run at 2200 - 2400 but seldom over this other than an occasional burst for 5 mins or so every hour at 3000 - 3300 or max depending on prop and hull cleanliness. Generally we tend to average about 6.8kts - 7.5kts but can do 9.5 when everything is clean and slippery. The good thing about that motor is the extended motoring range you get as the 75 HP Yanmar is extremely frugal but also simple to maintain and wonderfully reliable.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane, Australia


On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

A thorough prop cleaning solved my problem.  RPMs went from 1800 to 3100 and pushed boat to over 9 knots.. At next haul out in July,  I will  properly service prop.  Thanks to all for  solid  guidance on this issue .  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Dec 6, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I can, after I rebuild it, but I'm very happy with my MaxProp and really just need a spare prop.
Either would work fin temporarily.
Kent


On Dec 6, 2015, at 6:47 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Can’t you use the autoprop with your new engine?

It is such a great prop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:09 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

When I was told by Bruntons that my Autoprop was what they recommended for a SM with 100 HP Yanmar, I had my fixed prop (which a good prop shop said was also over pitched for my 78 HP Volvo) repitched to what was recommended and got good rpm  again.  The Autoprop couldn't be repitched, so I replaced it with a MaxProp...not so persnickety as the AutoProp.

I wish I'd serviced the Autoprop first, it might have saved me 1000's of $.

 

I still have the repitched fixed prop (which is now under pitched for my new 110 Yanmar), and the old Autoprop which still hasn't been rebuilt.

If any one would like to buy either of these (but not both) I'd be happy to sell it for about half price plus shipping.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 

Karkauai at yahoo dot com


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

seafeverofcuan
 

That would be by understanding as well Danny. The suggestion from Jamie's latest technician is that there may be water inside the engine via the exhaust due to low engine compression not pushing out the raw water via the exhaust. 
I would think that is very unlikely. However, if there is, or was  seawater in the engine,then how did it get there?
There has been much discussion about low compression.
Given that the engine initially was cold cranked and didn't start, then the sea water drained from the exhaust, etc. ( to avoid flooding/ hydraulic action) which would allow the engine to crank again. Could it  be possible that either the valves are bent, or incorrectly seated as a result of the hydraulic  effect of sea water, i.e. engine now cranking but not enough compression to fire?
Until some one who knows what they are doing looks in side the engine , it is all speculation.
Best regards,
Trevor
Seafever
SM 425 
Mexico