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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Survey

Thomas Janicki <tbjanicki@...>
 

Hello All, I am currently shopping for a Amel. I have found one in the Houston area and would like to ask if anyone has contacts here that is familiar with these yachts and would welcome a chat with a newbie. (BTW, The boat is Lady H SM2000rl  #418.)

 any help would be great!

Thomas and Kimberly
 sv ????








On Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:13 AM, "J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
All,

Thank you all for the feedback. It has made me step back and reassess things, though I will likely move forward. I am not buying a boat as an investment that I expect a return on. I have flipped boats for profit in the past but I see this as a my "forever" boat. I actually want a boat that has been thoroughly upgraded and I know a full history.

If I decide to move forward, I will keep a detailed cost breakdown and happily share it with the group.

Cheers
Jay

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:54 AM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Jay,
 
I've done plenty of work on my 1981 Maramu in the last 4 years, Engine and engine room, transmission, new shaft, fitted a water maker, new cutlass bearing, prop, fridge, furnishings, cooker, headlining, partial wiring, new electronics etc. A previous owner replaced all the deck gear with Harken and added new sails plus other jobs like anchor winch.
 
I can see your thinking and appreciate the satisfaction of doing something up - but this really does look like a mistake in the making and you should keep looking for your project boat.
 
Best wishes
John Maramu #91, 1981 Popeye



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Mike Johnson
 

Gary,

A big thank you.  The forum is essential to all of us.

Seasons greetings

Mike & Peta

SM2K #461

On 7 Dec 2015, at 14:38, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Well,  I think it's a much needed evolution anyway.  Having spent time on several really active user forums (from motorcycle to online gaming)  I appreciate a full featured forum.
So that no one frets,  I will grab a couple of domain names and park them quietly for a bit.
I'll try to get a demo shell running in a week or three and we can decide on if it's valuable for the group.   If so I will be pleased to invest some resources to get it running and commit to it for a few years.
Ownership transfer isn't difficult so when the time comes there shouldn't be a continuity concern.
Actually,  for the benefit this group has been I think it's a great chance to contribute.

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio

From my DL750 Digicel

Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 

Well,  I think it's a much needed evolution anyway.  Having spent time on several really active user forums (from motorcycle to online gaming)  I appreciate a full featured forum.
So that no one frets,  I will grab a couple of domain names and park them quietly for a bit.
I'll try to get a demo shell running in a week or three and we can decide on if it's valuable for the group.   If so I will be pleased to invest some resources to get it running and commit to it for a few years.
Ownership transfer isn't difficult so when the time comes there shouldn't be a continuity concern.
Actually,  for the benefit this group has been I think it's a great chance to contribute.

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio

From my DL750 Digicel

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Alan Leslie
 

I agree with that ..
That trial tool works with messages but I haven't tried it with files / photos...as Bill says these are in some ways the greatest resource...if we could get these to somewhere permanent...
I'm not SQLliterate but if someone (Andrew?) could process this stuff and put it somewhere where we could access it  ...that would be the answer....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Front opening refridgerator

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you a good suggestion I will implement the second fan
Paul SYKerpa SM#259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

I also have considerable coding experience mainly MS SQL and Asp.net / csharp and am willing to donate time and server resource. However I think whatever solution is found should ideally not be dependent on any individual as any one of us may not be available at some time in the future to carry it forward – common sense IT strategy. So the search really is on for a suitable candidate platform that has the appropriate functionality and likely longevity. I am convinced though at the moment that it is possible to extract all of the existing data from the Amel forum in a format that could be transformed and migrated to a new platform possibly being edited first  – this may not be the case in the future.

 

Andrew

 

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

 

 

Gary,

 

Some of the most valuable information is in the photos and files. Messages are just messages and unfortunately there is a certain amount of messages filled with incorrect information...the bow thruster breaker discussion is a recent example (THERE IS NO BREAKER AND FOR GOOD REASON). 

 

I would not suggest going forward without including the files and the photos. The files section is in reasonable order. About half of the photos section is in some sort of order, with the other half being poorly labeled and not grouped in logical folders.

If this project were to go forward, I would volunteer time after we arrive in the Caribbean next year. This has been discussed at least twice before and we never got a consensus. I think in a group like this, you'll never get a consensus.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


I do have web space available and can carve out a standard level PHP forum which would have the features we have been missing.
What I don't know is if the commonly available platforms will import from Yahoo. 
If it's something that the majority wants I'd be willing to invest time to get it started then seek a couple of folks to help moderate and administer it.
Have to wait till after Christmas tho :)

Gary W.
SM 209
S/V Adagio

From my DL750 Digicel

From my DL750 Digicel

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changes to Yahoo

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Gang,

Consensus in a group is like the definition of a committee..

8 arms, 8 legs, 4 a******* and no brain.  Not being a techie (software) I will gladly offer my support to those who graciously offer to bring better order to our invaluable Amel knowledge database.

My only suggestion is to have a very high level of security; I cook often and regularly visited an online web cookery site only to find that some “***((%$£^” had bombed it deleting about 100000 recipes with photos.  I hope they had fun doing it… but what a shame!

Cheers from sunny Marina di Ragusa,


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007


On 7 Dec 2015, at 09:42, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gary,

Some of the most valuable information is in the photos and files. Messages are just messages and unfortunately there is a certain amount of messages filled with incorrect information...the bow thruster breaker discussion is a recent example (THERE IS NO BREAKER AND FOR GOOD REASON). 

I would not suggest going forward without including the files and the photos. The files section is in reasonable order. About half of the photos section is in some sort of order, with the other half being poorly labeled and not grouped in logical folders.

If this project were to go forward, I would volunteer time after we arrive in the Caribbean next year. This has been discussed at least twice before and we never got a consensus. I think in a group like this, you'll never get a consensus.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


I do have web space available and can carve out a standard level PHP forum which would have the features we have been missing.
What I don't know is if the commonly available platforms will import from Yahoo. 
If it's something that the majority wants I'd be willing to invest time to get it started then seek a couple of folks to help moderate and administer it.
Have to wait till after Christmas tho :)

Gary W.
SM 209
S/V Adagio

From my DL750 Digicel

From my DL750 Digicel





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Hi Bill,
Your statements are true if you use sea water. If you instead use the the fresh water tank, you will not have those problems.
We have used the fresh water to cool our compressors to the two fridge/freeze areas under the sofa since 2008. This year we hade the first pump issue.
We can have as little as 150 l in the tank without getting problems with the cooling.
The system is a closed system from Frigoboat, without any coolant so there is no risk to have the fresh water contaminated. The water is circulated with a circulation pump. The rise of temp in the water tank can barely be measured. It is less than 0.5 C.
We halfed the electricity consumption on the fridge/freeze after the installation. 

We have sailed in both warm (tropical) and cold (north europe) and the most benefits are in tropical area where the airtemp can be up to 40 C and the water temp stays at 30 C.
So installing a fresh water cooled system is only benefits. As we see it. 

Today we have an estimated consumption over 24 h on the three units (2 fridge 1 freezer) around 116 Ah. We have decreased our total fridge/freeze power consumption with more than 60%.

Regards
Annsofie on S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998.

P.s. We have not attached the kitchen fridge to the water cooling system. We choosed a new Isotherm Compact 2201 ASU compressor with a new evaporator combined with cool holding plate , moved the compressor to the area under the kitchen zink next to the dishwasher. The move increased air circulation and the heat from the compressor does not go directly to the bottom of the fridge which decrease compressor running time D.S.



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6 dec. 2015 kl. 19:04 skrev 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Paul,

If your fridge is like ours, follow this: 

Are you sure that you want a more "efficient" fridge????
  1. A water cooled fridge will get clogged with marine life and fail
  2. A water cooled fridge cannot be operated when out f the water.
  3. One more pump to overhaul.
How much will that efficiency really cost you????

Best,

Bill 
BeBe 387


On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:26 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello! Please send photos, As I'm also changing cooling unit in the Fridge/freezer as well and thinking of building a freezer where the dish washer use to be, all ideas welcome when in the thought process to find good final solutions


Paul on sykerpa at gmail dot com 
SM#295


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gary,

Some of the most valuable information is in the photos and files. Messages are just messages and unfortunately there is a certain amount of messages filled with incorrect information...the bow thruster breaker discussion is a recent example (THERE IS NO BREAKER AND FOR GOOD REASON). 

I would not suggest going forward without including the files and the photos. The files section is in reasonable order. About half of the photos section is in some sort of order, with the other half being poorly labeled and not grouped in logical folders.

If this project were to go forward, I would volunteer time after we arrive in the Caribbean next year. This has been discussed at least twice before and we never got a consensus. I think in a group like this, you'll never get a consensus.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


I do have web space available and can carve out a standard level PHP forum which would have the features we have been missing.
What I don't know is if the commonly available platforms will import from Yahoo. 
If it's something that the majority wants I'd be willing to invest time to get it started then seek a couple of folks to help moderate and administer it.
Have to wait till after Christmas tho :)

Gary W.
SM 209
S/V Adagio

From my DL750 Digicel

From my DL750 Digicel


Re: Front opening refridgerator

jjjk12s@...
 

Paul,

 

My fridge space would be different but my solution for a front opening fridge was to fit extra insulation (foil faced close cell foam) to the sides and back of a production 12/240V fridge with a Danfoss compressor. In my case a Waeco but Vitrifrigo etc pretty much the same. I chose the fridge to have the correct size to allow for the extra insulation.

 

Also the efficiency is much better with more air movement behind the back by adding a small fan like used on computers, blowing up over the unit to add to the existing fan at the condenser.

 

The ventilation of sucking air under the fridge and expelling out the vent by the wheel is probably the same on the Super Maramu(?) and can be further improved beyond passive flow by a computer style fan.

 

I'm in the tropics and it works well. Adding a small fan helping air flow over the back of the fridge has also successfully seperately been used by a local refrigeration specialist to a different boat I have with a Danfoss driven fridge , in that case with no extra insulation on the fridge. The small fan is very easily wired in with the fridges own fan and uses next to no power.

 

John

 

Maramu #91 1981 Popeye

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Front opening refridgerator

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello Bill!

I have several friends who have water cooled fridges and freezers, where they use the fresh water to cool with and they have been very please with that solution. They claim they are very energy efficient. My front opening fridge are working most of the time especially when warm below, and the fan making a lot of noise
My combine fridge/freezer gave up this fall so need a new anyhow. one pump can manage two compressors so automatically one spare if installing two units, the pump are not very expensive either.
Regards
Paul

Re: Changes to Yahoo

Gary Wells
 


I do have web space available and can carve out a standard level PHP forum which would have the features we have been missing.
What I don't know is if the commonly available platforms will import from Yahoo. 
If it's something that the majority wants I'd be willing to invest time to get it started then seek a couple of folks to help moderate and administer it.
Have to wait till after Christmas tho :)

Gary W.
SM 209
S/V Adagio

From my DL750 Digicel

From my DL750 Digicel

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

karkauai
 

I can, after I rebuild it, but I'm very happy with my MaxProp and really just need a spare prop.
Either would work fin temporarily.
Kent


On Dec 6, 2015, at 6:47 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Can’t you use the autoprop with your new engine?

It is such a great prop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:09 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

When I was told by Bruntons that my Autoprop was what they recommended for a SM with 100 HP Yanmar, I had my fixed prop (which a good prop shop said was also over pitched for my 78 HP Volvo) repitched to what was recommended and got good rpm  again.  The Autoprop couldn't be repitched, so I replaced it with a MaxProp...not so persnickety as the AutoProp.

I wish I'd serviced the Autoprop first, it might have saved me 1000's of $.

 

I still have the repitched fixed prop (which is now under pitched for my new 110 Yanmar), and the old Autoprop which still hasn't been rebuilt.

If any one would like to buy either of these (but not both) I'd be happy to sell it for about half price plus shipping.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 

Karkauai at yahoo dot com


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

eric freedman
 

Kent,

Can’t you use the autoprop with your new engine?

It is such a great prop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:09 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

When I was told by Bruntons that my Autoprop was what they recommended for a SM with 100 HP Yanmar, I had my fixed prop (which a good prop shop said was also over pitched for my 78 HP Volvo) repitched to what was recommended and got good rpm  again.  The Autoprop couldn't be repitched, so I replaced it with a MaxProp...not so persnickety as the AutoProp.

I wish I'd serviced the Autoprop first, it might have saved me 1000's of $.

 

I still have the repitched fixed prop (which is now under pitched for my new 110 Yanmar), and the old Autoprop which still hasn't been rebuilt.

If any one would like to buy either of these (but not both) I'd be happy to sell it for about half price plus shipping.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 

Karkauai at yahoo dot com


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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karkauai
 

When I was told by Bruntons that my Autoprop was what they recommended for a SM with 100 HP Yanmar, I had my fixed prop (which a good prop shop said was also over pitched for my 78 HP Volvo) repitched to what was recommended and got good rpm  again.  The Autoprop couldn't be repitched, so I replaced it with a MaxProp...not so persnickety as the AutoProp.
I wish I'd serviced the Autoprop first, it might have saved me 1000's of $.

I still have the repitched fixed prop (which is now under pitched for my new 110 Yanmar), and the old Autoprop which still hasn't been rebuilt.
If any one would like to buy either of these (but not both) I'd be happy to sell it for about half price plus shipping.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy 
Karkauai at yahoo dot com


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:20 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

eric freedman
 

Kent,

On kimberlite I had a loss of engine power. I tried everything and finally decided it was the prop. I ordered the stuff from AB marine and rented the tools. When I hauled the boat everything seemed fine . There was no play in the prop blades and everything spun freely---What the heck- I rebuilt the prop.

That was the problem. It is hard to believe that a few thousands of an inch makes a difference in the Autoprop performance, but it does.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

 

 

Ben,

When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy 



On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 

Thanks 

Ben Driver 

SM 347

La Bella Vita


Ben Driver


On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,

 

I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

 

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

 

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

 

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

 

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.

 

 

Jean-Pierre Germain,

SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,

97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...

 

 

On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 

 

Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] LOW ENGINE RPMS ON YANMAR 75

karkauai
 

Ben,
When I had loss of rpm with my Volvo, I had the Autoprop cleaned and even out of the water all the blades spun freely on the hub.  I know that the only thing I didn't do (because I didn't know better, was to have the prop serviced.  Others have said that solved their problem.  If its been awhile since it was serviced, I'd do that even if the blades spin freely.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy 


On Dec 6, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks.   I'm diving the boat today .. It seems most feel prop is most likely.  If not, I'll move through all suggested fixes 
Thanks 
Ben Driver 
SM 347
La Bella Vita

Ben Driver

On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Ben,


I have a Volvo TDM 22 but diesels are diesels…

I encountered these symptoms on another boat… badly crusted propeller…

Other cause might be a faulty turbocharger.  Generally, we tend to baby our engines and this is not good.  I try to run at 80% or more power for 1 hour out of every 24 hrs of engine time.

Third possibility = a collapsed air filter.  BTDT.

Good luck.. at least the trouble shooting should be easy.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
sy.eleuthera@...


On 4 Dec 2015, at 17:09, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I bought my SM in Feb 2015  and there are still many systems I need to better understand.  Most perplexing is I have seen declining engine RPMs since original survey.  Originally boat produced about 3100 RPMs (Yanmar manual says 3600/3800 tops - but I do know Autoprop may limit that number)  but has since declined to 1800.  Not sure why as engine seems to run fine - easy start, no smoke, no roughness at any RPM.  Racor and engine filters are new.  Manual shut off valve in passageway  is wide open (it actually will not shut off motor... but that's another issue).   I do have an Autoprop which was serviced well over a year ago - but not sure - by previous owner. Only other engine oddity as it runs very cold - never over 130F.   Boat has been in the water now for a little over a year with not much motor use.  Any and all suggestions would be welcome. 


Ben Driver

SM #347

La Bella Vita



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Thanks, John.  That's what I've decided to do with my 220AC system.

Now chasing down a connection between 24v DC (+) main cable (that goes from the main battery switch to the lug on the foreword bulkhead in the engine room...disconnected from all other cables at the lug) and the bonding system.  When checking resistance, it is a solid (no resistance) connection that carries enough amps to light a test bulb when the main battery switch is on and all 24v breakers are off (including the ones in the engine room, passageway, and foreword port locker).  When the switch is off it has no voltage, but still shows a no resistance connection.  If I disconnect battery + cable in the battery compartment, the connection disappears.  The negative side shows no connection or voltage with the switch either on or off.

The only 24v equipment that is connected to the battery side of the main switch is the Charles 60 Amp charger, and the "Permanent " 24->12V Sailor transformer under the Nav station.

Does any of this suggest to anyone where the connection is?

I'm in the Jacksonville FL area, does anyone know of a good...make that Great...marine electrician nearby?

Thanks again everyone for your patience and help.
Kent 
SM243
Kristy 
Fernandina Beach FL


On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:22 PM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Is this a case of PREVIOUSLY the risk was so small, and the disandvatages significant, that the AC generator ground - neutral connection was not made, whereas nowadays, with readily available galvanic isolators and a more litiginous society the small risk overcomes the disadvantages and it should be connected. So it would be sensible to modify older designs that may have been correct at the time where circumstances have moved on. Amels have always evolved so modifying an older Amel to mirror a newer Amel's systems seems totally in order and not messing with Cpt Henry's concepts.

 

John

Maramu #91 1981

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis

karkauai
 

Thank you gentlemen.  I think the two breakers in the forward port locker marked Guindeau (or something like that) are for the windlass controls and a larger one that supplies the windlass motor and job furler.  Two others are for the mainsail furler (Matt?) and outhaul (bome).

I haven't found one for the thruster...I think Andrew's right.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy 


On Dec 5, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

There is only a breaker for the bow thruster control circuits on the main panel above the Galley - there is no breaker for the motor itself as currents can get to over 400 amps

Andrew

SM 472


On 6 Dec 2015, at 03:46, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

I do not believe there is a breaker for the bow thruster, There might be a Gigondo fuse somewhere but I doubt it.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 6:57 PM
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Where is the breaker for the bow thruster, if there is one?
Thanks,
Kent
SM253
Kristy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yahoo changes...

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

I downloaded just under 4000 messages and then exported these and this created an sqllite file that was around 8MB, but I suspect that this is probably padded out and probably is a meaningless size. I was able to open this file using an SQLLite browser and therefore run queries on the messages.

 

The application itself is fairly clunky but does seem to work in terms of searching by single or multiple words in subject or body. Also messages can be ordered by various fields also.

 

More worrying are some of the comments from the developer who I asked about the file and photo download issues – here is his responses:

 

Yahoo continually make changes to their system. Unfortunately they make these changes piecemeal over geographic locations.

 What is changed for the USA may not be changed for Europe. As we are in Europe we may not see changes that just happen in the US.

Also from a forum that he uses to support his application he quoted this:

"Access to Group Files was finally restored, very briefly, for 1.5-2 hours at most, late this afternoon.

 

And then, as one ought to expect from Yahoo, they RESTORED THE PROBLEM.

Viola!  Files once again became inaccessible, just as before.  No files, no folders, no toolbar, it's all just vanished.

 

And other less busy Groups have fallen completely silent and are not even generating Digest emails.  So this does not appear to be some idiosyncratic little glitch affecting only Files and affecting only some few Groups.  "

 

So in short this tool was designed to allow you to maintain an offline copy of the forum occasionally updating it with new messages and files that you can also keep offline. However it is unsupported by yahoo and I suspect may allow us to export all the messages, photos and files from yahoo but probably will not be reliable enough to maintain a regularly updated offline copy, but it also sounds like no tool would be able to cope with the regular un specified changes that yahoo keep making to the sites.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 4:34 AM
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Wow that’s great.

How much disk space did your messages take? Can it be sorted and searched?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376’

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 10:06 PM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
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I would agree with a lot of that but receiving a simple text message can also be easier if you are in a low bandwidth situation.

 

I download and tried the yahoo forum offline tool - http://www.personalgroupware.com/index.htm - The trial version fairly quickly downloaded 4000 or so messages - I will try and leave it running and download the rest in the next day or so - the file and photos download didn't seem to work though. If that can be made to work then it would seem an ideal offline tool to have a local copy of the forum messages and would be very useful when away from Internet access. I note also that the creator offers a bulk discount - I wonder if they would give forum members a discounted price.

 

Also it looks like it exports all the messages and attachments in SQLLite format so it should be technically possible to transform this into a format that could be migrated to another forum.

 

Andrew

SM 472


On 6 Dec 2015, at 03:25, Rick Grimes rickgrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I were king of the Amel Forum, I would move away from Yahoo altogether and subscribe to a more contemporary platform--then migrate all the Amel forum archives over to the new platform.  I would look for one that allowed, for example, the ability to post a photo or video--or link to a photo or video --within a message. ("Here's a photo of the bow thruster breaker, Kent, located in the forward port cabin locker..." "Here's a photo of my corroded anchor chain. Do I need a new chain? Or is there a way to clean this up?..." "Here's a link to a YouTube that shows how to dismantle and serviceq the motor for the Furler

Rick & Linda Grimes

S/V "Rascal"

SM2K (#404)

609-932-2307

Sent on the run from my iPhone


On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:46 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I note it says  "download the fully featured trial version", which implies that someone would need to pay for the full version.
I personally think that the glory days of free internet are coming to an end, and seriously, why not, if it was me I wouldn't be providing all this stuff for nothing.
So, we need to find a way to archive all the stuff that is on this group to...a dropbox....or ???
I'm happy to put in the hard yards to do it, if others are...but we need a secure place to put it all
What does everyone else think ???
Cheers'
Alan
Elyse SM437