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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox
Hi Gary,
In this request were you referring to Alexandre on NIKIMAT re the web site and Onan issues? Or perhaps another Mike? I don’t have a website for boat issues. Mike Ondra ALETES SM#240 Rock Hall, MD From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:48 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox Hi Mike: email you address to garysilver at mac dot com Unfortunately we left the boat on 4 June and are back in Utah. Would have loved to meet you. Great photo essays you do. I visited your web site but couldn't find links to all of your great work, only thru the forum here could I access those. Any chance I am missing something and that I could access all those from one place. Would also love to see a photo of the Onan board you replaced. Mine is weeping the potting compound (varnish like goo that is driving me nuts). It is 15 years old now so all those years and heat have taken their toll. I may want to obtain a spare. Sincerely, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: bow thruster service. Problem
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Rossenio:
This link is to a photo of the tool that Amel makes to aid in separating the rusted spline from the motor. It would be nice if it was posted in the Amel SM Bow Thruster Service photo file rather than under the boat name of the poster (hint , hint , see my recent post on this issue) I am sure you can fabricate a similar device or purchase it from Amel. Basically it clamps onto the bow thruster drive shaft housing tube then uses jack-screw bolts bearing on the bottom of the motor to separate the splined drive shaft from its seat in the motor. Sincerely , Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox
Gary,
Thanks for the info. It seems the bronze gear is held in place from the “top” after with the circlip and therefore must be removed from the top. As my core assembly with the gear is still stuck on the shaft and in the boom, I cannot remove the gear from the top. Will have to get the shaft out with the gear in place. Mike ALETES SM#240 Rock Hall, MD From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:42 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox Mike: I posted some new photos in the Photos File Folder labeled something like "Amel SM Outhaul Service" in which I show the assembly order of the gearbox parts (which corresponds to the file uploaded by Eric to the Files section on the parts for this unit). In that photo are depicted the tools I used to disassemble the gears from the hollow shaft. They are press fit and I used the gear splitting tool (not sure if that is the correct name) to cradled the gear, then I used the standard puller to attach to that and they came off in the usual fashion without much difficulty. Driving the new gears into place I used a deep socket of the appropriate size to place all pressure on the center portion of the bearing (that part that is press fit to the shaft) so as not to deform the bearing. The bronze gear is secured in place with the circlip and indexed with a woodruff key. The lip seals are light press fit into the top and bottom lids. I also re-labeled one of the photos in which I had mis-identified one of the bearings as a "seal" and will try to delete the erroneous photo and post the corrected one. Note the comments on some of the photos that have additional information. All the best, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel Sm 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina Puerto Rico [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hi Mike:
email you address to garysilver at mac dot com Unfortunately we left the boat on 4 June and are back in Utah. Would have loved to meet you. Great photo essays you do. I visited your web site but couldn't find links to all of your great work, only thru the forum here could I access those. Any chance I am missing something and that I could access all those from one place. Would also love to see a photo of the Onan board you replaced. Mine is weeping the potting compound (varnish like goo that is driving me nuts). It is 15 years old now so all those years and heat have taken their toll. I may want to obtain a spare. Sincerely, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Mike:
I posted some new photos in the Photos File Folder labeled something like "Amel SM Outhaul Service" in which I show the assembly order of the gearbox parts (which corresponds to the file uploaded by Eric to the Files section on the parts for this unit). In that photo are depicted the tools I used to disassemble the gears from the hollow shaft. They are press fit and I used the gear splitting tool (not sure if that is the correct name) to cradled the gear, then I used the standard puller to attach to that and they came off in the usual fashion without much difficulty. Driving the new gears into place I used a deep socket of the appropriate size to place all pressure on the center portion of the bearing (that part that is press fit to the shaft) so as not to deform the bearing. The bronze gear is secured in place with the circlip and indexed with a woodruff key. The lip seals are light press fit into the top and bottom lids. I also re-labeled one of the photos in which I had mis-identified one of the bearings as a "seal" and will try to delete the erroneous photo and post the corrected one. Note the comments on some of the photos that have additional information. All the best, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel Sm 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
Wow! I knew you had a lot of spares, Alex...didn't realize you could build a whole new genset! Thanks. My ONAN is a 6.5 kW MDKAL/11604A I'll have to see how many parts are interchangeable. Kent SM243 Kristy
On Jun 7, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I would like to hear on the forum, how many of us had to change it.
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Re: bow thruster service. Problem
Rossienio,
Review post number 24813 and that entire thread. This is well covered. Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <rossienio@...> wrote : Good day to all. I read and watched everything written on this forum regarding the maintenance of the bow thruster. I took the Amel kit for maintenance. Then I started working on my Santorin. I removed the 4 screws, But the foot of the BT not want to know to get off. I guess it stuck under the engine from rust of other. The maintenance is not made by 5 years. No one happened something similar? What do you think I could to do?
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Notes on Photos Section information
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hi All: I would like to suggest a couple of items that might make the forum more useful: 1. When posting photos on a specific topic, try to find an existing appropriate file folder to post them in. Collecting all items, for example on "outhaul gearbox" in one file folder is far more useful than having those photos scattered all over the photos section listed under various boat names or individually. 2. As you post your photo, take the opportunity to post comments attached to the photo (look for the little comment icon in the lower right hand corner of the window) with extra details about the photo such as what type of boat it applies to, details about removal or part numbers etc). Likewise, when looking at photos, take the opportunity to look at those comments as they often have valuable information/details about the photo and they are searchable. Just a thought to help us all. Sincerely, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina Puerto Rico
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bow thruster service. Problem
enio rossi
Good day to all. I read and watched everything written on this forum regarding the maintenance of the bow thruster. I took the Amel kit for maintenance. Then I started working on my Santorin. I removed the 4 screws, But the foot of the BT not want to know to get off. I guess it stuck under the engine from rust of other. The maintenance is not made by 5 years. No one happened something similar? What do you think I could to do?
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Amel SM Capacitors
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hi Everyone: On my last trip I decided to check every capacitor on Liahona. There are 21 of them that I know of: 5 each for each of the Amel original Climma AC units, 2 each for the 4th Climma AC I installed in the galley (by the way by far and away the best upgrade made to the boat), 2 on the Dessalitor HP pump, 1 each on the Dessalator BP (low pressure pump) and the Calpeda AC pump. There are probably more that I have missed. I had to replace 7 of them due to either outright failure (2) or out of specification readings. I'll post a file with a summary latter today of the specifications for all of these (assembled from actual replacements and or forum posts and in once case from Dessalator (as what they reported was different than what was actually on the original pump motor. If anybody has knowledge of additional capacitors that I have missed please advise. Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
Alexandre Uster von Baar
I would like to hear on the forum, how many of us had to change it.
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Is this the same control on the newer genset (MDKAV?) like on BeBe? Kent, here is currently my list of spare parts for the Genset: http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_ONAN_MDKAL_B_Specs_12_volt.html I just need to change to current inventory the exhaust mixing elbow, exhaust gasket, etc. that are at the bottom. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 8:34 AM Wow, what a pain! Glad it's all back in working order, Alex. Maybe a few of us should order those control cards as a group if they have to manufacture them???. That could take months!I guess I'll go ahead and order a spare voltage regulator. Any other spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN? I have filters, impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift pump, relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on Kristy in the past. I took the liberty to change the subject. Thanks for the update and info, Alex! KentSM 243KristyCurrently Bonaire Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Generator back working !!! May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896 May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card (cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26. Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9. Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine… (why didn’t they see it earlier…) The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it worked. Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera, SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator. Part number 0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he was right. I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM Hello Mark, I start it and it shuts down right away. There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt devices Off before I start the genset). As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause is “before” the courant leaves the genset. The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check generator)” which means something wrong with the generator. You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch off. I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or something inside the generator is faulty which causes the breaker to pop up. I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto Rico and will recommend me someone. I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open it and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that makes sense to me… I will keep the forum posted! Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM Hi Alexandre, I need to better understand, Does the generator start, run for a little and then shut down? If so, how long does it run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check Generator)” that is popping to cause the shutdown?Is this happening with no load? With best regards, Mark SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start Good afternoon Mark, I also think the big wave and the generator failure are not connected (unless a module or something inside it got loose/disconnected). But I think if it was something “engine” related like the electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the “Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me think about an issue on the “generator” side. But I will be investigating. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM Alexandre, A couple of thoughts: the fact the generator runs, or briefly runs would indicate nothing mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would operate on the assumption the big wave and the generator failure were not connected. Is it possible that you have a clogged fuel line and is the electric fuel pump working correctly? Is the exhaust clear of any blockage? Is the airflow into the engine obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the injector to check for fuel flow. You should see fuel leaking out when the engine is cranked. Also, could it be a faulty sensor (heat or oil)? But I think either of these would shut the generator off but they would pop the fault thingamajig. With best regards, Mark Super Maramu 2000Hull #275www.creampuff.usCurrently cruising: Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start Good morning Bill, During the trip I tried to start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was pretty tired I just tried again same result… shuts down right away… I am afraid, like you wrote that it is internal and will be looking for an Onan authorized dealer (well good I am in Puerto Rico and not in Dominican Republic anymore!) As always thanks very much for your help. I will keep the forum updates on what failed, possibly the cause, etc. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM OK. I understand the model you have. I think it is better than mine because it is simpler. Try this: Turn OFF the 30 Amp 230VAC breaker on the side. Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If it does, the short is external of the generator and your guess is as good as mine, but I would start with the shore power/generator solenoid box. If you have the same results as before, the short is internal...if so, find an authorized Onan dealer/mechanic. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On May 9, 2016 4:15 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good afternoon Bill, Regarding the “Field Breaker” (check generator) I put a link to the pictures of my genset: http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures of my front panel http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top of my Emergency Stop and the 30 Amp 230 VAC switch on the left side as well. As of now, when I start the generator, the “Field Breaker” (check generator) will pop and shut down right away the genset. I also suspect an electrical short somewhere… just not sure where to start… Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 2:54 PM Alex, I am not sure what you mean by "field breaker." Could you explain that further. My Onan has an Emergency Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a 230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This 30 Amp breaker is on the left side of the generator, the other two are on the main generator control panel. Mine will not start with either the Emergency or the DC set to OFF. It will start with those two ON and the 30 Amp OFF. Also, am I correct that you generator will start and run, but shuts down when something...possibly what you refer to as field breaker, is turned ON? That sounds to me a an electrical short. I know we have different models, but they aren't that different. Let me know. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +1832-380-4970 USA Voice On May 9, 2016 3:08 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good afternoon, The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic) to San Juan (Puerto Rico) was rough (as the waive were in the nose, so lots of pounding. As usual I started the genset to recharge the batteries, 2 or 3 minutes later was a big waive/pounding and it stopped. The “Field breaker” pop. I switch off all the 220 volt device, press the “Field breaker” back, started then shut down instantly, I tried starting with the DC breaker off, etc. same it shuts down instantly. I don’t even know where to start to find the problem. I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html Unless I am mistaking there is no code to see (unlike the more recent genset). Prior that I only used the genset lasts week for 18 minutes all was ok. Before that was a month before for 1.4 hour to exercise all the systems and all was ok. Thanks in advance for your help… Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos
Hi Eric,
No, don't believe I did. Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote : Did you get the video of our sail to Colombia? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Seriously, the Cummins Parts Manager UK told me when I was on an Onan maintenance course to always have a spare on hand… fail regulartly.
He also told me to not bother with a starter… “they never fail” said he .. and further, you can get the same starter from Kubota for 1/4 the price. Cheers, Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007.
Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007 Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start - UPDATE
Oops, just realized they are one in the same...my bad! Kent
On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Generator back working !!!
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start - UPDATE
Hi again Alex. Both of the part numbers you listed are the same. Tell us again your Onan Model and confirm part numbers for control board and automatic voltage regulator. Thanks Kent
On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Generator back working !!!
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ONAN Spare Parts
Wow, what a pain! Glad it's all back in working order, Alex. Maybe a few of us should order those control cards as a group if they have to manufacture them???. That could take months! I guess I'll go ahead and order a spare voltage regulator. Any other spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN? I have filters, impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift pump, relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on Kristy in the past. I took the liberty to change the subject. Thanks for the update and info, Alex! Kent SM 243 Kristy Currently Bonaire
On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Generator back working !!!
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start - UPDATE
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Generator back working !!!
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May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896 May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card (cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26. Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9. Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine… (why didn’t they see it earlier…) The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it worked. Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera, SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator. Part number 0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he was right. I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM Hello Mark, I start it and it shuts down right away. There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt devices Off before I start the genset). As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause is “before” the courant leaves the genset. The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check generator)” which means something wrong with the generator. You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch off. I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or something inside the generator is faulty which causes the breaker to pop up. I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto Rico and will recommend me someone. I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open it and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that makes sense to me… I will keep the forum posted! Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM Hi Alexandre, I need to better understand, Does the generator start, run for a little and then shut down? If so, how long does it run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check Generator)” that is popping to cause the shutdown?Is this happening with no load? With best regards, Mark SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start Good afternoon Mark, I also think the big wave and the generator failure are not connected (unless a module or something inside it got loose/disconnected). But I think if it was something “engine” related like the electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the “Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me think about an issue on the “generator” side. But I will be investigating. Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM Alexandre, A couple of thoughts: the fact the generator runs, or briefly runs would indicate nothing mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would operate on the assumption the big wave and the generator failure were not connected. Is it possible that you have a clogged fuel line and is the electric fuel pump working correctly? Is the exhaust clear of any blockage? Is the airflow into the engine obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the injector to check for fuel flow. You should see fuel leaking out when the engine is cranked. Also, could it be a faulty sensor (heat or oil)? But I think either of these would shut the generator off but they would pop the fault thingamajig. With best regards, Mark Super Maramu 2000Hull #275www.creampuff.usCurrently cruising: Cambridge Cay – Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start Good morning Bill, During the trip I tried to start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was pretty tired I just tried again same result… shuts down right away… I am afraid, like you wrote that it is internal and will be looking for an Onan authorized dealer (well good I am in Puerto Rico and not in Dominican Republic anymore!) As always thanks very much for your help. I will keep the forum updates on what failed, possibly the cause, etc. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM OK. I understand the model you have. I think it is better than mine because it is simpler. Try this: Turn OFF the 30 Amp 230VAC breaker on the side. Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If it does, the short is external of the generator and your guess is as good as mine, but I would start with the shore power/generator solenoid box. If you have the same results as before, the short is internal...if so, find an authorized Onan dealer/mechanic. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On May 9, 2016 4:15 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good afternoon Bill, Regarding the “Field Breaker” (check generator) I put a link to the pictures of my genset: http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures of my front panel http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top of my Emergency Stop and the 30 Amp 230 VAC switch on the left side as well. As of now, when I start the generator, the “Field Breaker” (check generator) will pop and shut down right away the genset. I also suspect an electrical short somewhere… just not sure where to start… Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 2:54 PM Alex, I am not sure what you mean by "field breaker." Could you explain that further. My Onan has an Emergency Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a 230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This 30 Amp breaker is on the left side of the generator, the other two are on the main generator control panel. Mine will not start with either the Emergency or the DC set to OFF. It will start with those two ON and the 30 Amp OFF. Also, am I correct that you generator will start and run, but shuts down when something...possibly what you refer to as field breaker, is turned ON? That sounds to me a an electrical short. I know we have different models, but they aren't that different. Let me know. Bill Rouse BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +1832-380-4970 USA Voice On May 9, 2016 3:08 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good afternoon, The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic) to San Juan (Puerto Rico) was rough (as the waive were in the nose, so lots of pounding. As usual I started the genset to recharge the batteries, 2 or 3 minutes later was a big waive/pounding and it stopped. The “Field breaker” pop. I switch off all the 220 volt device, press the “Field breaker” back, started then shut down instantly, I tried starting with the DC breaker off, etc. same it shuts down instantly. I don’t even know where to start to find the problem. I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html Unless I am mistaking there is no code to see (unlike the more recent genset). Prior that I only used the genset lasts week for 18 minutes all was ok. Before that was a month before for 1.4 hour to exercise all the systems and all was ok. Thanks in advance for your help… Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Depth Transducer
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
It is possible that you have a lot of growth on the transducer. The way that you remove it is unscrew the retainer or the transducer and pull it out replacing it with the plug. Yes you will get some water. Depending on how good and quick you are from a few ounces up to a quart (liter). These rarely fail and I am not sure of the test procedure, but you do not have to pull out the depth transducer to test it. If I find the test procedure, I will post it. Bill Rouse
On Jun 7, 2016 1:44 AM, "seagasm@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: B&G Depth Transducer
danielmfrey63@...
Hello If you like, I can send you the fault finding part of the B&G Hydra 2 manual concerning the depth transducer. With that in hand you can move forward. Just provide me with your email. Best - Daniel HEUREKA SN 64 (1992) Kuşadası, Turkey
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B&G Depth Transducer
seagasm@...
Is it possible to lift out the B&G Depth Transducer part 401-00-012 from inside the hull without sinking the boat? There is a Cap to replace the sensor. Is there any information available of how to test the unit, maintenance or whatever. I am getting the dreaded "- - - -" on my Hydra 2 FFD. It is possible a poor signal due to sitting in the marina berth for 6 months. Kind Regards Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM #171
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