Date   

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Gary,

In this request were you referring to Alexandre on NIKIMAT re the web site and Onan issues? Or perhaps another Mike? I don’t have a website for boat issues.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Hi Mike:



email you address to garysilver at mac dot com



Unfortunately we left the boat on 4 June and are back in Utah. Would have loved to meet you. Great photo essays you do. I visited your web site but couldn't find links to all of your great work, only thru the forum here could I access those. Any chance I am missing something and that I could access all those from one place.



Would also love to see a photo of the Onan board you replaced. Mine is weeping the potting compound (varnish like goo that is driving me nuts). It is 15 years old now so all those years and heat have taken their toll. I may want to obtain a spare.



Sincerely,



Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM 2000 #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: bow thruster service. Problem

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Rossenio:

This link is to a photo of the tool that Amel makes to aid in separating the rusted spline from the motor. 


It would be nice if it was posted in the Amel SM Bow Thruster Service photo file rather than under the boat name of the poster (hint , hint , see my recent post on this issue)

I am sure you can fabricate a similar device or purchase it from Amel. 

Basically it clamps onto the bow thruster drive shaft housing tube then uses jack-screw bolts bearing on the bottom of the motor to separate the splined drive shaft from its seat in the motor. 

Sincerely ,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000  #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina  - Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

Mike Ondra
 

Gary,



Thanks for the info. It seems the bronze gear is held in place from the “top” after with the circlip and therefore must be removed from the top. As my core assembly with the gear is still stuck on the shaft and in the boom, I cannot remove the gear from the top. Will have to get the shaft out with the gear in place.



Mike

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:42 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox





Mike:



I posted some new photos in the Photos File Folder labeled something like "Amel SM Outhaul Service" in which I show the assembly order of the gearbox parts (which corresponds to the file uploaded by Eric to the Files section on the parts for this unit). In that photo are depicted the tools I used to disassemble the gears from the hollow shaft. They are press fit and I used the gear splitting tool (not sure if that is the correct name) to cradled the gear, then I used the standard puller to attach to that and they came off in the usual fashion without much difficulty. Driving the new gears into place I used a deep socket of the appropriate size to place all pressure on the center portion of the bearing (that part that is press fit to the shaft) so as not to deform the bearing. The bronze gear is secured in place with the circlip and indexed with a woodruff key. The lip seals are light press fit into the top and bottom lids.



I also re-labeled one of the photos in which I had mis-identified one of the bearings as a "seal" and will try to delete the erroneous photo and post the corrected one.



Note the comments on some of the photos that have additional information.



All the best,

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel Sm 2000 #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina Puerto Rico





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Mike:

email you address to garysilver at mac dot com

Unfortunately we left the boat on 4 June and are back in Utah.  Would have loved to meet you.  Great photo essays you do.  I visited your web site but couldn't find links to all of your great work, only thru the forum here could I access those.  Any chance I am missing something and that I could access all those from one place.

Would also love to see a photo of the Onan board you replaced.  Mine is weeping the potting compound (varnish like goo that is driving me nuts).  It is 15 years old now so all those years and heat have taken their toll.  I may want to obtain a spare. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina  - Puerto Rico 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail outhaul gearbox

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Mike:

I posted some new photos in the Photos File Folder labeled something like "Amel SM Outhaul Service" in which I show the assembly order of the gearbox parts (which corresponds to the file uploaded by Eric to the Files section on the parts for this unit).  In that photo are depicted the tools I used to disassemble the gears from the hollow shaft.  They are press fit and I used the gear splitting tool (not sure if that is the correct name) to cradled the gear, then I used the standard puller to attach to that and they came off in the usual fashion without much difficulty. Driving the new gears into place I used a deep socket of the appropriate size to place all pressure on the center portion of the bearing (that part that is press fit to the shaft) so as not to deform the bearing. The bronze gear is secured in place with the circlip and indexed with a woodruff key. The lip seals are light press fit into the top and bottom lids. 

I also re-labeled one of the photos in which I had mis-identified one of the bearings as a "seal" and will try to delete the erroneous photo and post the corrected one. 

Note the comments on some of the photos that have additional information. 

All the best, 
Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel Sm 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina  Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

karkauai
 

Wow!  I knew you had a lot of spares, Alex...didn't realize you could build a whole new genset!

Thanks.

My ONAN is a 6.5 kW MDKAL/11604A

I'll have to see how many parts are interchangeable.

Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 7, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would like to hear on the forum, how many of us had to change it.

Is this the same control on the newer genset (MDKAV?) like on BeBe?

Kent, here is currently my list of spare parts for the Genset:
http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_ONAN_MDKAL_B_Specs_12_volt.html

I just need to change to current inventory the exhaust mixing elbow, exhaust gasket, etc. that are at the bottom.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 8:34 AM


 









Wow, what a pain!  Glad it's all back
in working order, Alex.  Maybe a few of us should order
those control cards as a group if they have to manufacture
them???.  That could take months!I guess I'll go
ahead and order a spare voltage regulator.  Any other
spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN?  I have filters,
impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift pump,
relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on
Kristy in the past.
I took the liberty to
change the subject.
Thanks for the update
and info, Alex!
KentSM 243KristyCurrently Bonaire

Sent from my
iPhone
On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22
AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Generator back working !!!



May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and
he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896

May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card
(cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.


Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so
Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9.


Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a
manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine…
(why didn’t they see it earlier…)

The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it
worked.



Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera,
SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am
ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number
0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he
was right.



I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was
cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there
was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the
engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t
able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker) won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM



Hello Mark,



I start it and it shuts down right away. 

There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt

devices Off before I start the genset). 

As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp

breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause
is

“before” the courant leaves the genset. 



The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check

generator)” which means something wrong with the

generator. 

You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check

generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch

off. 

I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or

something inside the generator is faulty which causes
the

breaker to pop up. 



I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my

genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto

Rico and will recommend me someone. 

I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open
it

and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that

makes sense to me… 



I will keep the forum posted!



Sincerely, Alexandre







--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure
(Field

Breaker) won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM





 







   





     

       

       

       Hi Alexandre,

I need to better

understand,

 Does the generator start, run for a

little and then shut down? If so, how long does it

run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check

Generator)” that is popping to cause the

shutdown?Is this happening with no

load?  With best regards,  Mark

 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream

Puff  www.creampuff.us

 From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]



Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]

Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start    Good afternoon Mark,

I also think the big wave and the generator

failure are not connected (unless a module or something

inside it got loose/disconnected).

But I

think if it was something “engine” related like the

electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check

Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the

“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me
think

about an issue on the “generator” side.

But I will be investigating.

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM





 



















Alexandre,

 A couple of

thoughts: the fact the

generator runs, or

briefly runs would indicate nothing

mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would

operate on the

assumption the big wave and

the generator failure were not

connected. Is

it possible that you have a clogged fuel line

and is the electric fuel pump working

correctly? Is the

exhaust clear of any

blockage? Is the airflow into the

engine

obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the

 injector to check for fuel flow. You should

see fuel

leaking out when the engine is

cranked. Also, could it be a

faulty sensor

(heat or oil)? But I think either of these

would shut the generator off but they would pop

the fault

thingamajig.

 

   With best

regards,  Mark  Super

Maramu

2000Hull

#275www.creampuff.usCurrently

cruising:  Cambridge Cay –

Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas

 From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]



Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]

Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start    Good morning Bill,



During the trip I tried to

start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was

pretty tired

I just tried again same

result… shuts down right away…



I am afraid, like you wrote that it is

internal and will be looking for an Onan

authorized dealer

(well good I am in Puerto

Rico and not in Dominican Republic

anymore!)



As always thanks very much for

your help.

I will keep the

forum updates on

what failed, possibly the

cause, etc.



Sincerely,

Alexandre

SM2K #289

NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San

Juan, Puerto

Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy

Rouse'

yahoogroups@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht

Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM





 



















OK. I understand the model you

have. I think it is better than mine because

it

is

simpler.

Try this: Turn

OFF the 30 Amp

230VAC breaker on

the side.

Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If

it

does, the short is external of the

generator

and your guess

is

as good as mine, but I

would start with the

shore

power/generator

solenoid box.

If you have the

same results

as before, the

short is internal...if so,

find

an authorized Onan

dealer/mechanic.

Bill Rouse



BeBe Amel 53 #387



Sent from my tablet



+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2016 4:15

PM,

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 



















Good

afternoon Bill,







Regarding the

“Field

Breaker” (check generator) I put

a

link to

the pictures of my

genset:



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html







For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures

of

my front

panel



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg







I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top

of

my Emergency

Stop and the

30 Amp 230 VAC

switch on the left side as

well.









As of now, when I start the

generator, the

“Field

Breaker” (check generator) will

pop and shut down right

away

the genset.



I also suspect

an electrical

short somewhere… just not

sure where to

start…







Thanks in advance, sincerely,

Alexandre







--------------------------------------------



On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill

& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Generator failure (Field

Breaker)

won’t start



To: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,

2:54 PM











 







































Alex,



I am not sure what you mean

by

"field



breaker."

Could you

explain that further. My Onan

has



an

Emergency

Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a



230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This

30

Amp breaker is on the

left



side of

the generator, the

other two are on the

main



generator control

panel. Mine will not start

with either

the



Emergency

or the DC set to OFF. It will start

with

those

two



ON and the 30 Amp OFF.



Also, am I correct that you generator will



start and run, but shuts

down

when something...possibly

what



you refer

to as field breaker,

is turned ON? That

sounds

to



me a an electrical short.



I know we have different

models, but they



aren't

that different.



Let me

know.





Bill Rouse







BeBe Amel 53 #387







Sent from

my

tablet







+1832-380-4970 USA Voice

Mail



On May

9,

2016 3:08 PM,



"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...



[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>



wrote:































































 















































Good afternoon,















The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)

to

San Juan



(Puerto Rico) was

rough (as the

waive were in the nose,

so



lots of pounding.















As usual I started the

genset

to recharge the batteries,

2



or 3 minutes

later was a big

waive/pounding and it

stopped.













The “Field

breaker” pop.















I switch off

all the 220 volt

device, press the “Field



breaker” back, started then

shut down instantly, I

tried



starting with the DC

breaker

off, etc. same it shuts

down



instantly.







I don’t

even know where to start to find the

problem.

















I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs







http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html







Unless I am mistaking there is no code to

see

(unlike

the



more recent genset).















Prior that I only used the

genset lasts week

for 18

minutes



all

was ok. Before that was a month before for

1.4 hour

to



exercise all the systems and all was ok.















Thanks in advance for your

help…















Sincerely,

Alexandre







SM2K #289 NIKIMAT







Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



Re: bow thruster service. Problem

Craig Briggs
 

Rossienio,
Review post number 24813 and that entire thread.  This is well covered.
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <rossienio@...> wrote :

Good day to all. I read and watched everything written on this forum regarding the maintenance of the bow thruster. I took the Amel kit for maintenance. Then I started working on my Santorin. I removed the 4 screws, But the foot of the BT not want to know to get off. I guess it stuck under the engine from rust of other. The maintenance is not made by 5 years. No one happened something similar?  What do you think I could to do? 


Notes on Photos Section information

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All:


I would like to suggest a couple of items that might make the forum more useful:


1.  When posting photos on a specific topic, try to find an existing appropriate file folder to post them in.  Collecting all items, for example on "outhaul gearbox" in one file folder is far more useful than having those photos scattered all over the photos section listed under various boat names or individually.  


2.  As you post your photo, take the opportunity to post comments attached to the photo (look for the little comment icon in the lower right hand corner of the window) with extra details about the photo such as what type of boat it applies to, details about removal or part numbers etc).

Likewise, when looking at photos, take the opportunity to look at those comments as they often have valuable information/details about the photo and they are searchable. 


Just a thought to help us all. 


Sincerely, 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM 2000  #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina  Puerto Rico




bow thruster service. Problem

enio rossi
 

Good day to all. I read and watched everything written on this forum regarding the maintenance of the bow thruster. I took the Amel kit for maintenance. Then I started working on my Santorin. I removed the 4 screws, But the foot of the BT not want to know to get off. I guess it stuck under the engine from rust of other. The maintenance is not made by 5 years. No one happened something similar?  What do you think I could to do? 


Amel SM Capacitors

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Everyone:


On my last trip I decided to check every capacitor on Liahona.  There are 21 of them that I know of:  5 each for each of the Amel original Climma AC units, 2 each for the 4th Climma AC I installed in the galley (by the way by far and away the best upgrade made to the boat), 2 on the Dessalitor HP pump, 1 each on the Dessalator BP (low pressure pump) and the Calpeda AC pump.  There are probably more that I have missed. 


I had to replace 7 of them due to either outright failure (2) or out of specification readings.  I'll post a file with a summary latter today of the specifications for all of these (assembled from actual replacements and or forum posts and in once case from Dessalator (as what they reported was different than what was actually on the original pump motor.


If anybody has knowledge of additional capacitors that I have missed please advise. 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona 

Amel SM 2000 #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I would like to hear on the forum, how many of us had to change it.

Is this the same control on the newer genset (MDKAV?) like on BeBe?

Kent, here is currently my list of spare parts for the Genset:
http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_ONAN_MDKAL_B_Specs_12_volt.html

I just need to change to current inventory the exhaust mixing elbow, exhaust gasket, etc. that are at the bottom.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico






--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/7/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 8:34 AM


 









Wow, what a pain!  Glad it's all back
in working order, Alex.  Maybe a few of us should order
those control cards as a group if they have to manufacture
them???.  That could take months!I guess I'll go
ahead and order a spare voltage regulator.  Any other
spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN?  I have filters,
impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift pump,
relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on
Kristy in the past.
I took the liberty to
change the subject.
Thanks for the update
and info, Alex!
KentSM 243KristyCurrently Bonaire

Sent from my
iPhone
On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22
AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Generator back working !!!



May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and
he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896

May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card
(cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.


Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so
Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9.


Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a
manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine…
(why didn’t they see it earlier…)

The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it
worked.



Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera,
SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am
ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number
0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he
was right.



I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was
cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there
was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the
engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t
able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker) won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM



Hello Mark,



I start it and it shuts down right away. 

There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt

devices Off before I start the genset). 

As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp

breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause
is

“before” the courant leaves the genset. 



The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check

generator)” which means something wrong with the

generator. 

You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check

generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch

off. 

I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or

something inside the generator is faulty which causes
the

breaker to pop up. 



I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my

genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto

Rico and will recommend me someone. 

I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open
it

and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that

makes sense to me… 



I will keep the forum posted!



Sincerely, Alexandre







--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure
(Field

Breaker) won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM





 







   





     

       

       

       Hi Alexandre,

I need to better

understand,

 Does the generator start, run for a

little and then shut down? If so, how long does it

run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check

Generator)” that is popping to cause the

shutdown?Is this happening with no

load?  With best regards,  Mark

 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream

Puff  www.creampuff.us

 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]



Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]

Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start    Good afternoon Mark,

I also think the big wave and the generator

failure are not connected (unless a module or something

inside it got loose/disconnected).

But I

think if it was something “engine” related like the

electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check

Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the

“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me
think

about an issue on the “generator” side.

But I will be investigating.

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM





 



















Alexandre,

 A couple of

thoughts: the fact the

generator runs, or

briefly runs would indicate nothing

mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would

operate on the

assumption the big wave and

the generator failure were not

connected. Is

it possible that you have a clogged fuel line

and is the electric fuel pump working

correctly? Is the

exhaust clear of any

blockage? Is the airflow into the

engine

obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the

 injector to check for fuel flow. You should

see fuel

leaking out when the engine is

cranked. Also, could it be a

faulty sensor

(heat or oil)? But I think either of these

would shut the generator off but they would pop

the fault

thingamajig.

 

   With best

regards,  Mark  Super

Maramu

2000Hull

#275www.creampuff.usCurrently

cruising:  Cambridge Cay –

Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas

 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]



Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]

Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start    Good morning Bill,



During the trip I tried to

start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was

pretty tired

I just tried again same

result… shuts down right away…



I am afraid, like you wrote that it is

internal and will be looking for an Onan

authorized dealer

(well good I am in Puerto

Rico and not in Dominican Republic

anymore!)



As always thanks very much for

your help.

I will keep the

forum updates on

what failed, possibly the

cause, etc.



Sincerely,

Alexandre

SM2K #289

NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San

Juan, Puerto

Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy

Rouse'

yahoogroups@svbebe.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht

Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t

start

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM





 



















OK. I understand the model you

have. I think it is better than mine because

it

is

simpler.

Try this: Turn

OFF the 30 Amp

230VAC breaker on

the side.

Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If

it

does, the short is external of the

generator

and your guess

is

as good as mine, but I

would start with the

shore

power/generator

solenoid box.

If you have the

same results

as before, the

short is internal...if so,

find

an authorized Onan

dealer/mechanic.

Bill Rouse



BeBe Amel 53 #387



Sent from my tablet



+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 9, 2016 4:15

PM,

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 



















Good

afternoon Bill,







Regarding the

“Field

Breaker” (check generator) I put

a

link to

the pictures of my

genset:



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html







For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures

of

my front

panel



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg







I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top

of

my Emergency

Stop and the

30 Amp 230 VAC

switch on the left side as

well.









As of now, when I start the

generator, the

“Field

Breaker” (check generator) will

pop and shut down right

away

the genset.



I also suspect

an electrical

short somewhere… just not

sure where to

start…







Thanks in advance, sincerely,

Alexandre







--------------------------------------------



On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill

& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Generator failure (Field

Breaker)

won’t start



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,

2:54 PM











 







































Alex,



I am not sure what you mean

by

"field



breaker."

Could you

explain that further. My Onan

has



an

Emergency

Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a



230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This

30

Amp breaker is on the

left



side of

the generator, the

other two are on the

main



generator control

panel. Mine will not start

with either

the



Emergency

or the DC set to OFF. It will start

with

those

two



ON and the 30 Amp OFF.



Also, am I correct that you generator will



start and run, but shuts

down

when something...possibly

what



you refer

to as field breaker,

is turned ON? That

sounds

to



me a an electrical short.



I know we have different

models, but they



aren't

that different.



Let me

know.





Bill Rouse







BeBe Amel 53 #387







Sent from

my

tablet







+1832-380-4970 USA Voice

Mail



On May

9,

2016 3:08 PM,



"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com



[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



wrote:































































 















































Good afternoon,















The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)

to

San Juan



(Puerto Rico) was

rough (as the

waive were in the nose,

so



lots of pounding.















As usual I started the

genset

to recharge the batteries,

2



or 3 minutes

later was a big

waive/pounding and it

stopped.













The “Field

breaker” pop.















I switch off

all the 220 volt

device, press the “Field



breaker” back, started then

shut down instantly, I

tried



starting with the DC

breaker

off, etc. same it shuts

down



instantly.







I don’t

even know where to start to find the

problem.

















I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs







http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html







Unless I am mistaking there is no code to

see

(unlike

the



more recent genset).















Prior that I only used the

genset lasts week

for 18

minutes



all

was ok. Before that was a month before for

1.4 hour

to



exercise all the systems and all was ok.















Thanks in advance for your

help…















Sincerely,

Alexandre







SM2K #289 NIKIMAT







Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Eric,
No, don't believe I did.
Craig
---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Did you get the video of our sail to Colombia?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN Spare Parts

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Seriously, the Cummins Parts Manager UK told me when I was on an Onan maintenance course to always have a spare on hand… fail regulartly.

He also told me to not bother with a starter… “they never fail” said he .. and further, you can get the same starter from Kubota for 1/4 the price.

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.


On 7 Jun 2016, at 15:34, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Wow, what a pain!  Glad it's all back in working order, Alex.  Maybe a few of us should order those control cards as a group if they have to manufacture them???.  That could take months!
I guess I'll go ahead and order a spare voltage regulator.  Any other spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN?  I have filters, impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift pump, relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on Kristy in the past.

I took the liberty to change the subject.

Thanks for the update and info, Alex!

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Currently Bonaire


On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Generator back working !!!

May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896
May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card (cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.
Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9.
Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine… (why didn’t they see it earlier…)
The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it worked.

Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera, SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number 0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he was right.

I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

Hello Mark,

I start it and it shuts down right away. 
There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt
devices Off before I start the genset). 
As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp
breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause is
“before” the courant leaves the genset. 

The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” which means something wrong with the
generator. 
You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch
off. 
I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or
something inside the generator is faulty which causes the
breaker to pop up. 

I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my
genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto
Rico and will recommend me someone. 
I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open it
and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that
makes sense to me… 

I will keep the forum posted!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM


 



   


     
       
       
       Hi Alexandre,
I need to better
understand,
 Does the generator start, run for a
little and then shut down? If so, how long does it
run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check
Generator)” that is popping to cause the
shutdown?Is this happening with no
load?  With best regards,  Mark
 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream
Puff  www.creampuff.us
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good afternoon Mark,
I also think the big wave and the generator
failure are not connected (unless a module or something
inside it got loose/disconnected).
But I
think if it was something “engine” related like the
electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check
Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the
“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me think
about an issue on the “generator” side.
But I will be investigating.
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM


 









Alexandre,
 A couple of
thoughts: the fact the
generator runs, or
briefly runs would indicate nothing
mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would
operate on the
assumption the big wave and
the generator failure were not
connected. Is
it possible that you have a clogged fuel line
and is the electric fuel pump working
correctly? Is the
exhaust clear of any
blockage? Is the airflow into the
engine
obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the
 injector to check for fuel flow. You should
see fuel
leaking out when the engine is
cranked. Also, could it be a
faulty sensor
(heat or oil)? But I think either of these
would shut the generator off but they would pop
the fault
thingamajig.
 
   With best
regards,  Mark  Super
Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay –
Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good morning Bill,

During the trip I tried to
start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was
pretty tired
I just tried again same
result… shuts down right away…

I am afraid, like you wrote that it is
internal and will be looking for an Onan
authorized dealer
(well good I am in Puerto
Rico and not in Dominican Republic
anymore!)

As always thanks very much for
your help.
I will keep the
forum updates on
what failed, possibly the
cause, etc.

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM


 









OK. I understand the model you
have. I think it is better than mine because
it
is
simpler.
Try this: Turn
OFF the 30 Amp
230VAC breaker on
the side.
Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If
it
does, the short is external of the
generator
and your guess
is
as good as mine, but I
would start with the
shore
power/generator
solenoid box.
If you have the
same results
as before, the
short is internal...if so,
find
an authorized Onan
dealer/mechanic.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2016 4:15
PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good
afternoon Bill,



Regarding the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) I put
a
link to
the pictures of my
genset:

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures
of
my front
panel

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg



I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top
of
my Emergency
Stop and the
30 Amp 230 VAC
switch on the left side as
well.




As of now, when I start the
generator, the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) will
pop and shut down right
away
the genset.

I also suspect
an electrical
short somewhere… just not
sure where to
start…



Thanks in advance, sincerely,
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill
& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker)
won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,
2:54 PM





 



















Alex,

I am not sure what you mean
by
"field

breaker."
Could you
explain that further. My Onan
has

an
Emergency
Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a

230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This
30
Amp breaker is on the
left

side of
the generator, the
other two are on the
main

generator control
panel. Mine will not start
with either
the

Emergency
or the DC set to OFF. It will start
with
those
two

ON and the 30 Amp OFF.

Also, am I correct that you generator will

start and run, but shuts
down
when something...possibly
what

you refer
to as field breaker,
is turned ON? That
sounds
to

me a an electrical short.

I know we have different
models, but they

aren't
that different.

Let me
know.


Bill Rouse



BeBe Amel 53 #387



Sent from
my
tablet



+1832-380-4970 USA Voice
Mail

On May
9,
2016 3:08 PM,

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 























Good afternoon,







The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)
to
San Juan

(Puerto Rico) was
rough (as the
waive were in the nose,
so

lots of pounding.







As usual I started the
genset
to recharge the batteries,
2

or 3 minutes
later was a big
waive/pounding and it
stopped.






The “Field
breaker” pop.







I switch off
all the 220 volt
device, press the “Field

breaker” back, started then
shut down instantly, I
tried

starting with the DC
breaker
off, etc. same it shuts
down

instantly.



I don’t
even know where to start to find the
problem.








I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



Unless I am mistaking there is no code to
see
(unlike
the

more recent genset).







Prior that I only used the
genset lasts week
for 18
minutes

all
was ok. Before that was a month before for
1.4 hour
to

exercise all the systems and all was ok.







Thanks in advance for your
help…







Sincerely,
Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico





Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
97100 Ragusa, Sicily, Italy
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start - UPDATE

karkauai
 

Oops, just realized they are one in the same...my bad!
Kent


On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Generator back working !!!

May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896
May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card (cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.
Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9.
Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine… (why didn’t they see it earlier…)
The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it worked.

Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera, SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number 0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he was right.

I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

Hello Mark,

I start it and it shuts down right away. 
There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt
devices Off before I start the genset). 
As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp
breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause is
“before” the courant leaves the genset. 

The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” which means something wrong with the
generator. 
You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch
off. 
I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or
something inside the generator is faulty which causes the
breaker to pop up. 

I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my
genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto
Rico and will recommend me someone. 
I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open it
and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that
makes sense to me… 

I will keep the forum posted!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM


 



   


     
       
       
       Hi Alexandre,
I need to better
understand,
 Does the generator start, run for a
little and then shut down? If so, how long does it
run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check
Generator)” that is popping to cause the
shutdown?Is this happening with no
load?  With best regards,  Mark
 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream
Puff  www.creampuff.us
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good afternoon Mark,
I also think the big wave and the generator
failure are not connected (unless a module or something
inside it got loose/disconnected).
But I
think if it was something “engine” related like the
electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check
Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the
“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me think
about an issue on the “generator” side.
But I will be investigating.
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM


 









Alexandre,
 A couple of
thoughts: the fact the
generator runs, or
briefly runs would indicate nothing
mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would
operate on the
assumption the big wave and
the generator failure were not
connected. Is
it possible that you have a clogged fuel line
and is the electric fuel pump working
correctly? Is the
exhaust clear of any
blockage? Is the airflow into the
engine
obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the
 injector to check for fuel flow. You should
see fuel
leaking out when the engine is
cranked. Also, could it be a
faulty sensor
(heat or oil)? But I think either of these
would shut the generator off but they would pop
the fault
thingamajig.
 
   With best
regards,  Mark  Super
Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay –
Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good morning Bill,

During the trip I tried to
start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was
pretty tired
I just tried again same
result… shuts down right away…

I am afraid, like you wrote that it is
internal and will be looking for an Onan
authorized dealer
(well good I am in Puerto
Rico and not in Dominican Republic
anymore!)

As always thanks very much for
your help.
I will keep the
forum updates on
what failed, possibly the
cause, etc.

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM


 









OK. I understand the model you
have. I think it is better than mine because
it
is
simpler.
Try this: Turn
OFF the 30 Amp
230VAC breaker on
the side.
Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If
it
does, the short is external of the
generator
and your guess
is
as good as mine, but I
would start with the
shore
power/generator
solenoid box.
If you have the
same results
as before, the
short is internal...if so,
find
an authorized Onan
dealer/mechanic.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2016 4:15
PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good
afternoon Bill,



Regarding the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) I put
a
link to
the pictures of my
genset:

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures
of
my front
panel

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg



I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top
of
my Emergency
Stop and the
30 Amp 230 VAC
switch on the left side as
well.




As of now, when I start the
generator, the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) will
pop and shut down right
away
the genset.

I also suspect
an electrical
short somewhere… just not
sure where to
start…



Thanks in advance, sincerely,
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill
& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker)
won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,
2:54 PM





 



















Alex,

I am not sure what you mean
by
"field

breaker."
Could you
explain that further. My Onan
has

an
Emergency
Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a

230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This
30
Amp breaker is on the
left

side of
the generator, the
other two are on the
main

generator control
panel. Mine will not start
with either
the

Emergency
or the DC set to OFF. It will start
with
those
two

ON and the 30 Amp OFF.

Also, am I correct that you generator will

start and run, but shuts
down
when something...possibly
what

you refer
to as field breaker,
is turned ON? That
sounds
to

me a an electrical short.

I know we have different
models, but they

aren't
that different.

Let me
know.


Bill Rouse



BeBe Amel 53 #387



Sent from
my
tablet



+1832-380-4970 USA Voice
Mail

On May
9,
2016 3:08 PM,

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 























Good afternoon,







The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)
to
San Juan

(Puerto Rico) was
rough (as the
waive were in the nose,
so

lots of pounding.







As usual I started the
genset
to recharge the batteries,
2

or 3 minutes
later was a big
waive/pounding and it
stopped.






The “Field
breaker” pop.







I switch off
all the 220 volt
device, press the “Field

breaker” back, started then
shut down instantly, I
tried

starting with the DC
breaker
off, etc. same it shuts
down

instantly.



I don’t
even know where to start to find the
problem.








I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



Unless I am mistaking there is no code to
see
(unlike
the

more recent genset).







Prior that I only used the
genset lasts week
for 18
minutes

all
was ok. Before that was a month before for
1.4 hour
to

exercise all the systems and all was ok.







Thanks in advance for your
help…







Sincerely,
Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start - UPDATE

karkauai
 

Hi again Alex.
Both of the part numbers you listed are the same.
Tell us again your Onan Model and confirm part numbers for control board and automatic voltage regulator.
Thanks
Kent


On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Generator back working !!!

May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896
May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card (cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.
Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9.
Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine… (why didn’t they see it earlier…)
The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it worked.

Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera, SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number 0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he was right.

I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

Hello Mark,

I start it and it shuts down right away. 
There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt
devices Off before I start the genset). 
As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp
breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause is
“before” the courant leaves the genset. 

The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” which means something wrong with the
generator. 
You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch
off. 
I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or
something inside the generator is faulty which causes the
breaker to pop up. 

I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my
genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto
Rico and will recommend me someone. 
I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open it
and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that
makes sense to me… 

I will keep the forum posted!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM


 



   


     
       
       
       Hi Alexandre,
I need to better
understand,
 Does the generator start, run for a
little and then shut down? If so, how long does it
run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check
Generator)” that is popping to cause the
shutdown?Is this happening with no
load?  With best regards,  Mark
 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream
Puff  www.creampuff.us
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good afternoon Mark,
I also think the big wave and the generator
failure are not connected (unless a module or something
inside it got loose/disconnected).
But I
think if it was something “engine” related like the
electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check
Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the
“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me think
about an issue on the “generator” side.
But I will be investigating.
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM


 









Alexandre,
 A couple of
thoughts: the fact the
generator runs, or
briefly runs would indicate nothing
mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would
operate on the
assumption the big wave and
the generator failure were not
connected. Is
it possible that you have a clogged fuel line
and is the electric fuel pump working
correctly? Is the
exhaust clear of any
blockage? Is the airflow into the
engine
obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the
 injector to check for fuel flow. You should
see fuel
leaking out when the engine is
cranked. Also, could it be a
faulty sensor
(heat or oil)? But I think either of these
would shut the generator off but they would pop
the fault
thingamajig.
 
   With best
regards,  Mark  Super
Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay –
Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good morning Bill,

During the trip I tried to
start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was
pretty tired
I just tried again same
result… shuts down right away…

I am afraid, like you wrote that it is
internal and will be looking for an Onan
authorized dealer
(well good I am in Puerto
Rico and not in Dominican Republic
anymore!)

As always thanks very much for
your help.
I will keep the
forum updates on
what failed, possibly the
cause, etc.

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM


 









OK. I understand the model you
have. I think it is better than mine because
it
is
simpler.
Try this: Turn
OFF the 30 Amp
230VAC breaker on
the side.
Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If
it
does, the short is external of the
generator
and your guess
is
as good as mine, but I
would start with the
shore
power/generator
solenoid box.
If you have the
same results
as before, the
short is internal...if so,
find
an authorized Onan
dealer/mechanic.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2016 4:15
PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good
afternoon Bill,



Regarding the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) I put
a
link to
the pictures of my
genset:

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures
of
my front
panel

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg



I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top
of
my Emergency
Stop and the
30 Amp 230 VAC
switch on the left side as
well.




As of now, when I start the
generator, the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) will
pop and shut down right
away
the genset.

I also suspect
an electrical
short somewhere… just not
sure where to
start…



Thanks in advance, sincerely,
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill
& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker)
won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,
2:54 PM





 



















Alex,

I am not sure what you mean
by
"field

breaker."
Could you
explain that further. My Onan
has

an
Emergency
Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a

230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This
30
Amp breaker is on the
left

side of
the generator, the
other two are on the
main

generator control
panel. Mine will not start
with either
the

Emergency
or the DC set to OFF. It will start
with
those
two

ON and the 30 Amp OFF.

Also, am I correct that you generator will

start and run, but shuts
down
when something...possibly
what

you refer
to as field breaker,
is turned ON? That
sounds
to

me a an electrical short.

I know we have different
models, but they

aren't
that different.

Let me
know.


Bill Rouse



BeBe Amel 53 #387



Sent from
my
tablet



+1832-380-4970 USA Voice
Mail

On May
9,
2016 3:08 PM,

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 























Good afternoon,







The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)
to
San Juan

(Puerto Rico) was
rough (as the
waive were in the nose,
so

lots of pounding.







As usual I started the
genset
to recharge the batteries,
2

or 3 minutes
later was a big
waive/pounding and it
stopped.






The “Field
breaker” pop.







I switch off
all the 220 volt
device, press the “Field

breaker” back, started then
shut down instantly, I
tried

starting with the DC
breaker
off, etc. same it shuts
down

instantly.



I don’t
even know where to start to find the
problem.








I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



Unless I am mistaking there is no code to
see
(unlike
the

more recent genset).







Prior that I only used the
genset lasts week
for 18
minutes

all
was ok. Before that was a month before for
1.4 hour
to

exercise all the systems and all was ok.







Thanks in advance for your
help…







Sincerely,
Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




ONAN Spare Parts

karkauai
 

Wow, what a pain!  Glad it's all back in working order, Alex.  Maybe a few of us should order those control cards as a group if they have to manufacture them???.  That could take months!
I guess I'll go ahead and order a spare voltage regulator.  Any other spares that anyone keeps for the ONAN?  I have filters, impellers, water pump, shut off solenoid, fuel lift pump, relays, and exhaust elbow, all of which have failed on Kristy in the past.

I took the liberty to change the subject.

Thanks for the update and info, Alex!

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Currently Bonaire


On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Generator back working !!!

May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896
May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card (cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.
Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9.
Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine… (why didn’t they see it earlier…)
The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it worked.

Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera, SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number 0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he was right.

I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

Hello Mark,

I start it and it shuts down right away. 
There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt
devices Off before I start the genset). 
As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp
breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause is
“before” the courant leaves the genset. 

The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” which means something wrong with the
generator. 
You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch
off. 
I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or
something inside the generator is faulty which causes the
breaker to pop up. 

I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my
genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto
Rico and will recommend me someone. 
I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open it
and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that
makes sense to me… 

I will keep the forum posted!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM


 



   


     
       
       
       Hi Alexandre,
I need to better
understand,
 Does the generator start, run for a
little and then shut down? If so, how long does it
run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check
Generator)” that is popping to cause the
shutdown?Is this happening with no
load?  With best regards,  Mark
 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream
Puff  www.creampuff.us
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good afternoon Mark,
I also think the big wave and the generator
failure are not connected (unless a module or something
inside it got loose/disconnected).
But I
think if it was something “engine” related like the
electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check
Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the
“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me think
about an issue on the “generator” side.
But I will be investigating.
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM


 









Alexandre,
 A couple of
thoughts: the fact the
generator runs, or
briefly runs would indicate nothing
mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would
operate on the
assumption the big wave and
the generator failure were not
connected. Is
it possible that you have a clogged fuel line
and is the electric fuel pump working
correctly? Is the
exhaust clear of any
blockage? Is the airflow into the
engine
obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the
 injector to check for fuel flow. You should
see fuel
leaking out when the engine is
cranked. Also, could it be a
faulty sensor
(heat or oil)? But I think either of these
would shut the generator off but they would pop
the fault
thingamajig.
 
   With best
regards,  Mark  Super
Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay –
Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good morning Bill,

During the trip I tried to
start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was
pretty tired
I just tried again same
result… shuts down right away…

I am afraid, like you wrote that it is
internal and will be looking for an Onan
authorized dealer
(well good I am in Puerto
Rico and not in Dominican Republic
anymore!)

As always thanks very much for
your help.
I will keep the
forum updates on
what failed, possibly the
cause, etc.

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto
Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM


 









OK. I understand the model you
have. I think it is better than mine because
it
is
simpler.
Try this: Turn
OFF the 30 Amp
230VAC breaker on
the side.
Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If
it
does, the short is external of the
generator
and your guess
is
as good as mine, but I
would start with the
shore
power/generator
solenoid box.
If you have the
same results
as before, the
short is internal...if so,
find
an authorized Onan
dealer/mechanic.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On May 9, 2016 4:15
PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good
afternoon Bill,



Regarding the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) I put
a
link to
the pictures of my
genset:

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures
of
my front
panel

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg



I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top
of
my Emergency
Stop and the
30 Amp 230 VAC
switch on the left side as
well.




As of now, when I start the
generator, the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) will
pop and shut down right
away
the genset.

I also suspect
an electrical
short somewhere… just not
sure where to
start…



Thanks in advance, sincerely,
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill
& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker)
won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,
2:54 PM





 



















Alex,

I am not sure what you mean
by
"field

breaker."
Could you
explain that further. My Onan
has

an
Emergency
Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a

230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This
30
Amp breaker is on the
left

side of
the generator, the
other two are on the
main

generator control
panel. Mine will not start
with either
the

Emergency
or the DC set to OFF. It will start
with
those
two

ON and the 30 Amp OFF.

Also, am I correct that you generator will

start and run, but shuts
down
when something...possibly
what

you refer
to as field breaker,
is turned ON? That
sounds
to

me a an electrical short.

I know we have different
models, but they

aren't
that different.

Let me
know.


Bill Rouse



BeBe Amel 53 #387



Sent from
my
tablet



+1832-380-4970 USA Voice
Mail

On May
9,
2016 3:08 PM,

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:































 























Good afternoon,







The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)
to
San Juan

(Puerto Rico) was
rough (as the
waive were in the nose,
so

lots of pounding.







As usual I started the
genset
to recharge the batteries,
2

or 3 minutes
later was a big
waive/pounding and it
stopped.






The “Field
breaker” pop.







I switch off
all the 220 volt
device, press the “Field

breaker” back, started then
shut down instantly, I
tried

starting with the DC
breaker
off, etc. same it shuts
down

instantly.



I don’t
even know where to start to find the
problem.








I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



Unless I am mistaking there is no code to
see
(unlike
the

more recent genset).







Prior that I only used the
genset lasts week
for 18
minutes

all
was ok. Before that was a month before for
1.4 hour
to

exercise all the systems and all was ok.







Thanks in advance for your
help…







Sincerely,
Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start - UPDATE

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Generator back working !!!

May 19, I had an Onan technicien looking at the genset and he said it was the Control Board Part number 0305-0896
May 20 I went to Onan San Juan, the “last” control card (cost $976) is in Belgium and won’t arrive until May 26.
Checking on progress, there actually was no card left, so Onan had to manufacturer one… schedule to arrive Jun 9.
Checking on progresse now Onan says they can’t find a manufacturer for the card… but they found one in Maine… (why didn’t they see it earlier…)
The card arrived yesterday (june 6), I put it back and it worked.

Note: on Feb 28, 2015, Jean-Pierre Germain of SY Eleuthera, SM 007 wrote me: “as per Onan recommendation, I am ordering the Automatic Voltage Regulator.   Part number 0305-0896 apparently, they fail far more regularly.” he was right.

I am considering ordering a spare (just wish it was cheaper), as without that card the genset is useless: there was 2 power failure at the marina, once had to use the engine to recharge the batteries, not to mention wasn’t able to exercise the scuba compressor, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico





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On Tue, 5/10/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@rocketmail.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

Hello Mark,

I start it and it shuts down right away. 
There is no load on it yet (I switch off all my 220 Volt
devices Off before I start the genset). 
As Bill suggested I tried to start it with the 30 Amp
breaker off and it did not help, which means the cause is
“before” the courant leaves the genset. 

The fuse that goes out is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” which means something wrong with the
generator. 
You could say it is the “Field Breaker (check
generator)” popping that causes the engine to switch
off. 
I think would be more accurate to say a “module” or
something inside the generator is faulty which causes the
breaker to pop up. 

I called the Onan mechanic that checked and service my
genset last year (in Florida) he is actually from Puerto
Rico and will recommend me someone. 
I have zero knowledge in electronics, so even if I open it
and look at the module I doubt I will see anything that
makes sense to me… 

I will keep the forum posted!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker) won’t start
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 1:55 PM


 



   


     
       
       
       Hi Alexandre,
I need to better
understand,
 Does the generator start, run for a
little and then shut down? If so, how long does it
run?Is the “Fault Breaker (check
Generator)” that is popping to cause the
shutdown?Is this happening with no
load?  With best regards,  Mark
 SkipperSailing Yacht: Cream
Puff  www.creampuff.us
 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good afternoon Mark,
I also think the big wave and the generator
failure are not connected (unless a module or something
inside it got loose/disconnected).
But I
think if it was something “engine” related like the
electric pump, sensor, etc. the “Fault Breaker (Check
Engine)” switch would pop up, in my case it is the
“Field Breaker (check generator)” which makes me think
about an issue on the “generator” side.
But I will be investigating.
Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 5/10/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25 AM


 









Alexandre,
 A couple of
thoughts: the fact the
generator runs, or
briefly runs would indicate nothing
mechanical is wrong. If it were me, I would
operate on the
assumption the big wave and
the generator failure were not
connected. Is
it possible that you have a clogged fuel line
and is the electric fuel pump working
correctly? Is the
exhaust clear of any
blockage? Is the airflow into the
engine
obstructed? You can loosen a fuel line at the
 injector to check for fuel flow. You should
see fuel
leaking out when the engine is
cranked. Also, could it be a
faulty sensor
(heat or oil)? But I think either of these
would shut the generator off but they would pop
the fault
thingamajig.
 
   With best
regards,  Mark  Super
Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Cambridge Cay –
Exuma Land and Sea Park - Bahamas
 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start    Good morning Bill,

During the trip I tried to
start with the 30 Amp 230 Volt OFF, since I was
pretty tired
I just tried again same
result… shuts down right away…

I am afraid, like you wrote that it is
internal and will be looking for an Onan
authorized dealer
(well good I am in Puerto
Rico and not in Dominican Republic
anymore!)

As always thanks very much for
your help.
I will keep the
forum updates on
what failed, possibly the
cause, etc.

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San
Juan, Puerto
Rico

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On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field Breaker) won’t
start
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 3:30 PM


 









OK. I understand the model you
have. I think it is better than mine because
it
is
simpler.
Try this: Turn
OFF the 30 Amp
230VAC breaker on
the side.
Try to start. Does it start and run OK? If
it
does, the short is external of the
generator
and your guess
is
as good as mine, but I
would start with the
shore
power/generator
solenoid box.
If you have the
same results
as before, the
short is internal...if so,
find
an authorized Onan
dealer/mechanic.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

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On May 9, 2016 4:15
PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good
afternoon Bill,



Regarding the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) I put
a
link to
the pictures of my
genset:

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



For limited bandwidth, here is the pictures
of
my front
panel

http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105_1.jpg



I also have the DC Circuit Breakers on top
of
my Emergency
Stop and the
30 Amp 230 VAC
switch on the left side as
well.




As of now, when I start the
generator, the
“Field
Breaker” (check generator) will
pop and shut down right
away
the genset.

I also suspect
an electrical
short somewhere… just not
sure where to
start…



Thanks in advance, sincerely,
Alexandre



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On Mon, 5/9/16, 'Bill
& Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Generator failure (Field
Breaker)
won’t start

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, May 9, 2016,
2:54 PM





 



















Alex,

I am not sure what you mean
by
"field

breaker."
Could you
explain that further. My Onan
has

an
Emergency
Stop switch (breaker), a DC Breaker, and a

230VAC 30 Amp breaker. This
30
Amp breaker is on the
left

side of
the generator, the
other two are on the
main

generator control
panel. Mine will not start
with either
the

Emergency
or the DC set to OFF. It will start
with
those
two

ON and the 30 Amp OFF.

Also, am I correct that you generator will

start and run, but shuts
down
when something...possibly
what

you refer
to as field breaker,
is turned ON? That
sounds
to

me a an electrical short.

I know we have different
models, but they

aren't
that different.

Let me
know.


Bill Rouse



BeBe Amel 53 #387



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On May
9,
2016 3:08 PM,

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:































 























Good afternoon,







The passage from Samana (Dominican Republic)
to
San Juan

(Puerto Rico) was
rough (as the
waive were in the nose,
so

lots of pounding.







As usual I started the
genset
to recharge the batteries,
2

or 3 minutes
later was a big
waive/pounding and it
stopped.






The “Field
breaker” pop.







I switch off
all the 220 volt
device, press the “Field

breaker” back, started then
shut down instantly, I
tried

starting with the DC
breaker
off, etc. same it shuts
down

instantly.



I don’t
even know where to start to find the
problem.








I own the ONAN MDKAL B Specs



http://nikimat.com/onan_mdkal_b_specs_12_volt_kubota_d1105.html



Unless I am mistaking there is no code to
see
(unlike
the

more recent genset).







Prior that I only used the
genset lasts week
for 18
minutes

all
was ok. Before that was a month before for
1.4 hour
to

exercise all the systems and all was ok.







Thanks in advance for your
help…







Sincerely,
Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Depth Transducer

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It is possible that you have a lot of growth on the transducer.

The way that you remove it is unscrew the retainer or the transducer and pull it out replacing it with the plug. Yes you will get some water. Depending on how good and quick you are from a few ounces up to a quart (liter).

These rarely fail and I am not sure of the test procedure, but you do not have to pull out the depth transducer to test it.

If I find the test procedure, I will post it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jun 7, 2016 1:44 AM, "seagasm@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Is it possible to lift out the B&G Depth Transducer part 401-00-012 from inside the hull without sinking the boat? There is a Cap to replace the sensor. Is there any information available of how to test the unit, maintenance or whatever. I am getting the dreaded "- - - -" on my Hydra 2 FFD. It is possible a poor signal due to sitting in the marina berth for 6 months.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171



Re: B&G Depth Transducer

danielmfrey63@...
 

Hello
If you like, I can send you the fault finding part of the B&G Hydra 2 manual concerning the depth transducer. With that in hand you can move forward. Just provide me with your email.

Best - Daniel

HEUREKA
SN 64 (1992)
Kuşadası, Turkey


B&G Depth Transducer

seagasm@...
 

Is it possible to lift out the B&G Depth Transducer part 401-00-012 from inside the hull without sinking the boat? There is a Cap to replace the sensor. Is there any information available of how to test the unit, maintenance or whatever. I am getting the dreaded "- - - -" on my Hydra 2 FFD. It is possible a poor signal due to sitting in the marina berth for 6 months.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171