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Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Hanspeter,

I'm quite close to you, in the Fort Louis Marina. Be advised you are not allowed to go to the Dutch side. Yesterday they even had an incident with someone trying to cross the border. Not the best way to make the local newspaper...

Also be advised that Ile Marine on the French side is the "official" Desalator dealer for St. Martin/St. MAarten. Electec does have spare membranes in stock most of the time, but no other parts that suit Desalator. Ile marine does carry some parts for Desalator but not all.

Ile Marine is at the Sandy Grounds Bridge behind the fuel-dock.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Leece -Neville Alternator external regulator install

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello,

1. This setUp looks very similar to mine. 
I use the VSR alternator regulator from cruisers project. 

2. I would suggest to place the old unused regulator back in place. On the pictures all coil connectors are open jet. As the old regulator has a gap on top of its housing its possible to route the wires through. By that the wires are not unprotected open. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54 #39 
Martinique 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 09:19 Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hello Kevin,  I am very happy with the WakeSpeed 500.  

Here is a photo of my install. I attached a plywood mounting board to the aft bulkhead of the engine room, behind the engine/alternator. (With some rubber spacers between the bulkhead and the board for the sound insulation.

This board has the WS500 control box and a Sterling Alternator Protection device to dissapate a voltage spike if the BMS disconnected the batteries. I also installed a simple toggle switch just above the. Controller that.allows me to manually switch the controller directly to "Float" stage. You can also see the wiring on the alternator in the foreground of the photo.

I used the standard lithium setting on the WS500 (dip switches), including the setting for 75% max output. 

On Bulk stage I've seen a max of ~130amps and a max temperature on the alternator casing of ~160F. The output current carries appropriately with engine RPM.   I have not logged too many hours on "Bulk" but belt tension and wear has been fine.  When I set the controller directly to float stage I've seen about 70amp output that tapers off to zero net current as the battery voltage reaches 26.72v. The temp on the alternator casing reaches about 125 F. 

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387, currently in Les Saintes, Guadelopue.


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 7:20 PM Kevin Fox via groups.io <foxkm=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dan,

I'm planning to install the Wakespeed WS500 on Rascal.  We have the Leece Neville 175A alternator and AGM batteries, and this regulator sounds like the way to go.  May I ask how your install turned out?  Any surprises with the wiring?  Where did you end up mounting the regulator?

Thanks very much,
Kevin


--
Kevin Fox and Family
SM404 Rascal
Currently berthed in Charleston, SC


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

If you're leaking product then it's a low pressure line that is leaking.  I would start at the product end of the tubes and it shouldn't be too tough to find the leak.  Follow all the lines until they terminate at the hose going into the tank.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262
Locked Down in Thailand.


Re: Leece -Neville Alternator external regulator install

Dan Carlson
 

Hello Kevin,  I am very happy with the WakeSpeed 500.  

Here is a photo of my install. I attached a plywood mounting board to the aft bulkhead of the engine room, behind the engine/alternator. (With some rubber spacers between the bulkhead and the board for the sound insulation.

This board has the WS500 control box and a Sterling Alternator Protection device to dissapate a voltage spike if the BMS disconnected the batteries. I also installed a simple toggle switch just above the. Controller that.allows me to manually switch the controller directly to "Float" stage. You can also see the wiring on the alternator in the foreground of the photo.

I used the standard lithium setting on the WS500 (dip switches), including the setting for 75% max output. 

On Bulk stage I've seen a max of ~130amps and a max temperature on the alternator casing of ~160F. The output current carries appropriately with engine RPM.   I have not logged too many hours on "Bulk" but belt tension and wear has been fine.  When I set the controller directly to float stage I've seen about 70amp output that tapers off to zero net current as the battery voltage reaches 26.72v. The temp on the alternator casing reaches about 125 F. 

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387, currently in Les Saintes, Guadelopue.


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 7:20 PM Kevin Fox via groups.io <foxkm=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dan,

I'm planning to install the Wakespeed WS500 on Rascal.  We have the Leece Neville 175A alternator and AGM batteries, and this regulator sounds like the way to go.  May I ask how your install turned out?  Any surprises with the wiring?  Where did you end up mounting the regulator?

Thanks very much,
Kevin


--
Kevin Fox and Family
SM404 Rascal
Currently berthed in Charleston, SC


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

hanspeter baettig
 

Thanks John
Yes Electec is a good company. I will go tomorrow to speak with them about the end caps from DesalI. I have still 6 end caps, 2 of them with the hp water inlet, from Desal, He sended to me last year for testing, for free. So I have now a good ouverlook whats happend, when the end caps cracked on the connection. And yes, it is verry imortant to put the O rings very carefully in place.

Best regards and stay save
Hanspeter
SM # 16 Tamango 2, Marigot, St. Martin

----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von : john.biohead@...
Datum : 21/04/2020 - 19:14 (MSN)
An : main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Betreff : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps

Han, I had end caps made out of delrin in St Martin.  The machine shop is E&Msc.  It is behind Lagoonies.  The machinist made a few changes to beef them up.  I have run them now for two years with no issues.  

John Clark
SV Annie. SM 37
St Thomas USVI

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 6:59 PM hanspeter baettig < hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:
Jean-Pierre
I think it‘s unfair to broadcast such negative things about Desal, . Amel is still installing Desal Watermakers and I had very good experiances with SAV Dessalator. Mr Wagner jun. and his team is helpful and have a amazing knowledge about H2O makers.
So pls. we know us , be specific what was your problem with SAV. Maybe I can help you, cause I have a very good contact with Wagner
best
en confinité à St. Martin
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16

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Am Montag, 20. Apr, 2020 um 20:55, Germain Jean-Pierre schrieb:

Hi Bill,

Thanks.  I also took the entire holder to the shop… to verify the interior measurements.  I suspect the new ones will be made to a closer tolerance.

Dessalator after sales service has been non existent. 

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
jp.germain45@...



On 21 Apr 2020, at 06:51, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

FYI, Dessalator originally made the membrane tube end caps out of white nylon. Emek copied Dessalator. Dessalator's choice of Nylon proved to be the wrong choice. Dessalator later made end caps from a harder material which was black. I am not sure of what the black material is, but, in my experience is that there have been very few issues with the Dessalator black end caps.
--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970




Engine room hatch repair

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, the mild steel that supports the gas struts in my engine room hatch has gotten water into it and is rusting away and expanding causing a bulge in the engine room hatch in 2 spots.
Has anyone done this repair?
I am planning on cutting the whole strengthener area ( which I've been told is end grain balsa) digging all the old balsa out as well as the mild steel backing then replacing it with something, maybe 3/8 plywood then fiberglassing the removed panel back together.
For the mild steel plate I was just going to strengthen that area with fiberglass and thru bolt thru the hatch.
Does anyone have better ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
St Lucia


Re: Best location for solar panels

Robert Giroux
 

Hi Alin,

 

This might be useful: https://youtu.be/wTa6HEo2_K8?t=345

 

Delos is testing new panels on their top to compare to their arch mounted. They’re mounting flexible panels in “pockets” they’re sewing into the top. They even show the sewing part.

 

Regards,

Robert Giroux

Future Amel Owner

Miami, FL

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alin SM 283 via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Best location for solar panels

 

Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction.
Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu.
The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great
I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines.
My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. 
The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
Alin SV Wanderer


Re: Best location for solar panels

Paul Osterberg
 

We have 2x180 watt 72 cells on the rail works great, in addition to that I ordered two custom made 180 w 72 cells flexible panels from Hovall (china) for my bimini (not arrived yet). The advantage with the 72 cells panels you can have them in parallell and shadow will be a much less issue. I'm so pleased with my 180 w panels on the rail so might replace the 3x150 watt 36 cells panel I have on my Emec arc. the 180 w 72 cells are almost identical in size with the old 150W. The one on the rail are attached with NOA solar panels fastening. about 2/3 out from the boat.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Lagos Portugal sykerpa.com


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

I bought 1kg of Sodium Metabisulphite from www.westwatermakers.com (UK) for £23.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arnold Mente via groups.io
Sent: 22 April 2020 17:13
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps

 

Hi Mohammad and Atypisch,

 

wehre did you buy the sterilizing powder? My last bill from Desallator was € 22,95 +20% VAT for the powder!

 

Best and be save

 

Arnold

SY Zephyr

SM203

 

Am 22.04.2020 um 18:05 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

 

We have followed Dessalator instructions for storage during the off season. We have used the reusable cartridge and powder provided by Dessalator. (5 Euros per use). We have not had any issues.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps

 

Paul,

 

I was referring to the fact that Dessalator recommends using the ST2 sterilizing cartridge and 1 packet of their "sterilizing" powder." This is regardless of the size.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 22 April 2020 15:10
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps

 

One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.

 

There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time,  BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less.  After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.

 

I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.

 

Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."

 

BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.

 

 

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School 

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550  

 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:41 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121 


-- 
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 

 


--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Best location for solar panels

Stefan Jeukendrup
 

Hi Alin,

See enclosed pdf with pictures : 4 Suntech STP190 1580 × 808 × 35mm  72 cell panels above the cockpit, 2 series 2 parallel.
The challenges:
* Max. regulated output is 10A at 24V: not enough when sailing 24/7 but works for anchor with just 1 fridge switched on. 
* these panels are not made for sea conditions: the plastic on the back side is penetrated by sea water causing cell failure
* these panels have no bypass diodes/half cut cells so even a tiny bit of shade on the panels causes 50% power loss or more ( mast, boom, sails, even lines).
* 2 cells of 2 panels in  different  chains burned out, the heat cracked the glass:
  - could be salt on the back of the panel causing short circuit
  - could be just the shading : a single shaded  cell becomes very hot and could deform the backing plastic:  a shaded cell has high resistance and it see a large voltage drop with 144 cells) So 4 panels in parallel= better
 
Hope this helps you,

Stefan Jeukendup
SM2K  # 348
svMalaka Queen #@ Monastir Tunesia


Re: Where to put the life raft

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Wow to what Eric was relating.... but that sort of bring up my point: I haven't been even remotely tested in this boat in horrific conditions, but from everything I read and hear (including just now with Eric's account above), I don't think you'll need a liferaft in horrific conditions. The Amels aren't going to be sunk like that. I'd say the two likeliest causes of needing a life raft would be ramming something in normal conditions (also less likely to sink us with the waterproof bulkheads and a good crash pump onboard, which most of us carry), or fire. That leaves fire. And in a fire situation, I'd be happiest on the aft rail where mine is mounted, not up front or in the cockpit. Just my 2 cents...


Re: Best location for solar panels

Mark Erdos
 

Alin,

 

Here’s a site with a couple of ideas: https://www.emarineinc.com/categories/Solar-Kits

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alin SM 283 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:43 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Best location for solar panels

 

Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction.
Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu.
The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great
I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines.
My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. 
The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
Alin SV Wanderer


Re: Best location for solar panels

Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki
 

Hi Alin,
At present I am studying how to adapt SolarFace by Tecnalia in my Sharki, Acrobat II, 
I did it in my Acrobat I (Sigma 38 OOD) before, and these protypes have been working perfectly since I installed them in 2016.
Yo can see both boats in this video (sorry, not availabe subtitles in English)
I sent an e-mail to Amel to propose a collaboration with Tecnalia, months ago. Unfortunately they did not reply to me :-(
This tech allows to integrate solar cells into composite materials, so we can build parts fot our boats with the solar cells embebed into them. We can also manufacture flat parts adapted to the shape or the deck, as we did in Acrobat I.
Also we could design and build a beautiful and stylized solar arch.
There are a lot of posibilities!
But Tecnalia needs the molds in order to manufacture the proyotypes and the collaborartion of a manufacturer for serial production (Tecnalia is a Technological Center, not a factory)
I am thinking (this is 100& brain storming) about to talk about this with all the members of this gropup. If there are more owners interested maybe we could rent the molds to Amel and manufacture the parts in San Sebastian (Spain), This is just an idea.
Best Regards,

Diego de Miguel
Sailing Liivng Lab
Sharki-52, Acrobat II


Re: Best location for solar panels

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Alin;

 

We have also looked for a while for a solution that does not include the Arch. We also intend on switching to Lithium batteries when our current Gel setup needs replacing in 2-3 years. So, we are making all upgrades that become necessary prior to the installation of the lithiums,. Our design concept is one that will be installed in stages but engineered for the final design. For example, our inverter gave out last season, so we are looking at installing the Victron 8000/220A Inverter/charger.

 

After many years of looking and analyzing, we have almost settled on a hardtop over the cockpit area. Solbian factory has designed the max wattage for the area, design, shading, etc. and has come up with about 900 Watts of deck mounted, flexible and walk on cells.

 

Our calculations show that after completion of the final concept and installation of the lithium batteries, we should be able to run the entire 24V and 220V systems on board (Not Simultaneously) on batteries and depending on sun conditions, minimal generator usage. We currently do not have solar and we have to run the generator twice per day at anchor.

 

This is a more costly approach than the Arch, but like you, we like the lines of 54 and wanted a complementary design that did not take away from her sleek lines.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alin SM 283 via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:43 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Best location for solar panels

 

Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction.
Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu.
The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great
I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines.
My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. 
The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
Alin SV Wanderer


Re: Best location for solar panels

Alin SM 283
 

Hi Danny.
Thank you, I'd love to have a look.
Cheers
Alin


On Thursday, 23 April 2020, 05:10:32 pm NZST, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:


Hi Alin,

the best spot for two panels is on the port rail aft of the cockpit. I put mine there temporarily 11 years ago deciding to move them later if I didn't like the spot. Been fantastic Clamped to the rail 1/3 in 2/3 out. They don't need a brace and swing up easily when docking or any other time you want them out of the way. Works well for me. Come to Mangonui for a look when this lock down eases. This place means you don't loose deck space nor the ability to have a wide open top. Also cheap as chips to do, no good if you like to spend money.

Cheers

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 23 April 2020 at 16:42 "Alin SM 283 via groups.io" <sv.wanderer@...> wrote:

Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction.
Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu.
The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great
I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines.
My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. 
The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
Alin SV Wanderer


Re: Best location for solar panels

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alin,

the best spot for two panels is on the port rail aft of the cockpit. I put mine there temporarily 11 years ago deciding to move them later if I didn't like the spot. Been fantastic Clamped to the rail 1/3 in 2/3 out. They don't need a brace and swing up easily when docking or any other time you want them out of the way. Works well for me. Come to Mangonui for a look when this lock down eases. This place means you don't loose deck space nor the ability to have a wide open top. Also cheap as chips to do, no good if you like to spend money.

Cheers

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 23 April 2020 at 16:42 "Alin SM 283 via groups.io" <sv.wanderer@...> wrote:

Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction.
Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu.
The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great
I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines.
My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. 
The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
Alin SV Wanderer


Best location for solar panels

Alin SM 283
 

Hi guys.
I know this subject must have been discussed before, I do not mind if you point me out to the right direction.
Anyway, I am seriously thinking solar panels for my Super Maramu.
The goal is to be able to at least run the fridges and sails and to minimize the use of the generator but I do not want to have an arch and do not one have Wanderer looking like a Xmas tree. I guess a little guidance to a minimum of power I should consider would be great
I really love the shape of my boat and the uncluttered and uncrowded lines.
My ideal of solar panels location would be on top of dog house or/and on the deck just in front of the windscreen. 
The question is, how much watts can I fit onto that area and how bad would be the shading from the boom. If someone has the time to send me some pictures of their setup, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
Alin SV Wanderer


Re: Leece -Neville Alternator external regulator install

Kevin Fox
 

Dan,

I'm planning to install the Wakespeed WS500 on Rascal.  We have the Leece Neville 175A alternator and AGM batteries, and this regulator sounds like the way to go.  May I ask how your install turned out?  Any surprises with the wiring?  Where did you end up mounting the regulator?

Thanks very much,
Kevin


--
Kevin Fox and Family
SM404 Rascal
Currently berthed in Charleston, SC


Re: Membrane Tube end caps

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

We have never put any chemical in even when leaving the boat even for up to two months. I think the fact that I am very careful to avoid using the water maker in dirty of contaminated water helps. I am very careful in harbour and will not use it if I ever have any doubts. I guess  if the water you use has greebies in it your situation would be different. When I start up after a period of time I run the water to waste and it has the classic rotten egg smell common to salt water. That passes and the product water is fine. I don't have an automatic flushing system.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 23 April 2020 at 02:25 Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 22 April 2020 15:10
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps

 

One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.

 

There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an "experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time,  BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less.  After each use, he had the caretaker pickle the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.

 

I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite. I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check ppm continuously.

 

Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond."

 

BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.

 

 

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:41 AM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

 



 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


 


Re: Switch on Bilge Float Tube

Ian Townsend
 

Best of luck to you Diego. Hope to meet you sometime. Let us know how your switch install goes.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:48 AM, Diego de Miguel (Sailing Living Lab) Amel Sharki <diegodemiguelmurillo@...> wrote:

Thanks to you Ian.
I am planning to cross the Atlantic in december and to go to Florida. 
I see that you are in Fort Lauderdale, so we will be able to meet each other in the real world :-) 
All the best,

Diego.