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Re: Rub rail purchase
Patrick McAneny
Jim, I was just going to write you to tell you that your rubrail is of a different design,so I could not include you in our order,too bad. There may well be other Maramu owners wanting to join your order,making it cheaper for all.
Good Luck, Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: Rub rail purchase
James Watkins
Pat I am the owner of a Maramu hull 185 and am going to also replace the rubrail but as I understand it is quite different than the one you are ordering. Only send this to let you know that I am also in the process of ordering a die to do a new rub rail from Techno Rubber Industries also. Only mention it as they may be even sharper on pricing if a couple of different Amel models are ordering from them. I don’t have any idea if other Maramu or Sharki owers would like to replace their rub rail but getting more order for a custom part always saves money and after thirty years or so they do need replacing.
Best Regards Jim Watkins Act II Maramu hull 185 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:14 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub rail purchase
Vladimir, I have a sketch that Maude sent me,which I will send. But the rub rail is going to be fabricated based on an actual piece of rubrail to be certain it is an exact reproduction. They will send me a sample before production begins. I have paid for the design/die so the order is in the works. The order will be placed within the next ten days, so I urge anyone interested to join the group buy soon. The more owners that place an order will bring the price even lower.
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Re: Rub rail purchase
Patrick McAneny
Vladimir, I have a sketch that Maude sent me,which I will send. But the rub rail is going to be fabricated based on an actual piece of rubrail to be certain it is an exact reproduction. They will send me a sample before production begins. I have paid for the design/die so the order is in the works. The order will be placed within the next ten days, so I urge anyone interested to join the group buy soon. The more owners that place an order will bring the price even lower.
Thanks, Par Shenanigans #123
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Re: Masse negative leak
Hi Bill,
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So I took off the negative cables from the master switch one by one and checked the Masse indicator. Fault turns out to be on the biggest cable which is 95mm square. This is the cable that runs to the bow locker plastic electric cupboard. So great, I assumed that it must be the windlasses or the bowthruster. Trouble is that even if I disconnect the 95mm sq cable that goes into the cupboard and then check the indicator, the light comes on... I can only assume the problem is between the bow locker and the battery locker, but from my investigations it is a straight run in a conduit with nothing T’d off it. Any ideas? Nick S/Y Amelia anchored Mikanos with the Meltemi cranking. AML54-019
On 22 Jul 2020, at 20:29, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Rub rail purchase
VLADIMIR SONSEV
Pat, Please provide more information on the rub rail. Do do you have a sketch. Vladimir SM 355 "Life is Good"
I have sent a cross section of my rubrail ,from my Super Maramu to Techno Rubber Industries in Fla. ,they will produce a die and sample for my inspection . I intend to place an order as soon as I receive the sample and final pricing. The die will cost me $450.00 ,the rub rail will run somewhere around $11 per ft. ,roughly $1200. The more boats ordering would bring the price down and I would like to share the cost of the die. The rub rail would be slightly off white. Another owner of a Mango has already purchased from this company and was happy with the service and product. Shipping to Maryland where I live is roughly estimated to be about $200.
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Re: Rub rail purchase
Patrick McAneny
Techno Rubber Industries received my rub rail sample and just sent a firm quote. The price per foot went down $2.50 a foot,however the die and design went up about $200, still the overall cost is much less than the original quote and the more owners placing an order would reduce the cost of the die per owner. As of now three owners have placed an order. The cost will be $8.90/ft x 104 ft = 925.60
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Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts
Randall For two seasons I ran my bow thruster with just the battery’s almost never starting the generator before using. that huge draw on the batteries sent them to the morgue years sooner than they should’ve died
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Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts
Randall Walker
OK i will ask as I have semi new dead Batteries and was hoping to make it to Florida before refit. Love to know the story. Randall A54#56 Gibraltar
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Re: A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts
biggest problem with not starting the Gen is that you significantly shorten the life of your lead acid or gel batteries I'm not sure about lithiums just ask me how I know.........after killing 12 lead acid in just 2 seasons
Courtney
Trippin
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From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 10:53 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A 55 # 9 : Chargeing and mastershunts Craig, I have known Amel to "learn" and add recommendations that did not exist 30 years ago. I don't know when the generator recommendation started, but it in fact does exist.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 9:15 AM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Fuel tank inspection
I went thru the fill valve on mine. Flexible wand pretty much did the trick Aras SV/FIASCO Sharki #163 1988
I want to clean my fuel tank, I can only see one small cap that I assume is for the sending unit. Before I tear off the foam cover glued to the tank looking for a larger inspection port, I thought I would ask if one exists on the top of the tank. -- Aras Grinius
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Re: Fuel tank inspection
Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
There are no hatches on your tank. So if you want to inspect, you have to make one.
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Regards Ann-Sofie S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998
23 juli 2020 kl. 13:29 skrev Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...>:
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Re: Fuel tank inspection
Patrick McAneny
Michael , Ann Sofie, I don’t want to cut a new port and will do the best I can through the existing port. Thanks for the info.
Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: Fuel tank inspection
Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
Hi Pat,
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No there is non. We hade to make i ours. Ann-Sofie S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998
23 juli 2020 kl. 05:45 skrev michael winand via groups.io <mfw642000@...>:
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Re: Fuel tank inspection
Hi Pat,
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I have just been through the process, on sm251, we only have the sender opening, I sucked out all the fuel through the filters with my vacume extraction, opened up the outlet , put a light into the tank, I used a rag on a stick to wipe what I could, it was one of those job's that didn't really need to be done, it was really clean, a small amount of dark colored somthing on the bottom. About the size of a saucer. Just a thought before cutting the top for inspection openings.
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Re: Shore power, small battery charger, genset, inverter.
Chris, It is impossible for me to know what has been changed since 433 was built. You should not switch power sources with any load. The SM2k originally had an automated relay switch that gave the generator preference and would switch the main AC distribution panel from shore power to generator power. Although it was not the right thing to do, the original battery chargers would be unaffected when this happened. You do not have either of the original chargers. I am not sure that you have the relay switch above, or if the relay switch is working correctly. Your SM did not have a "standard inverter." The comfort pack did not include an inverter. There was a small inverter installed with the TV option. Are you beginning to see that there is almost no way any of us can directly help you with the known information? As Ryan pointed out, if the Main 220 breaker is opening immediately when the smaller charger is turned ON, the fault is most likely a ground fault. That ground fault is likely an issue with the internal electronics of that charger or the wiring to that charger. There is no way that I can foresee anyone being able to give you specific instructions to a solution. Additionally, I have no technician to recommend in Grand Cayman. To further confuse the issue, you say, "The large charger is a (Mastervolt) Chargemaster 24/40-3" AND "The small charger is a Victron Skylla-TG 24 100" AND If this is correct, it totally confuses me because you must have them reversed...the Victron is 100 amps and the Mastervolt is 40 amps. I am not sure which charger is working. My best recommendation is to temporarily use only the charger that works and to find an experienced and certified marine electrician. When you SM was new and assuming it was sold with either the Comfort Pack or the original buyer invested in two chargers, they were: Dolphin 100 amp charger and a Dolphin 30 amp charger. During most of the SM production, Amel did not have an inverter option but installed an inverter that the owner would provide. They installed it in the engine room and with separate circuits and receptacles for the inverter output. The AC panel and the Inverter circuit was totally separate. Amel also installed a small inverter with the TV option. That was located under the nav table. Many owners have since installed Victron Inverter Chargers rewiring the AC panel to give the Microwave and outlets direct "inverter only" power from the inverter charger. The Victron Skylla-TG 24 100 is a charger only, without the inverter capabilities. I hope this helps you. If you would care to call me, maybe I can provide more help...number below...WhatsApp is fine.
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Fuel tank inspection
Patrick McAneny
I want to clean my fuel tank, I can only see one small cap that I assume is for the sending unit. Before I tear off the foam cover glued to the tank looking for a larger inspection port, I thought I would ask if one exists on the top of the tank.
Thanks, Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: Shore power, small battery charger, genset, inverter.
Christopher Bromley
Hello Bill, Thank you very much for responding so swiftly. I am with my boat in Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands. I had assumed the small charger and the 24V to 220V inverter were part of Pure Magic's comfort package, but other than the manufacturers' operating manuals - which I have read - I am not aware of installation documentation specific to my boat. Pure Magic had one previous owner and it may help if I contact him to see if he can fill in the information. If the problem with switching on the small charger and immediately tripping the main 220V breaker in the autopilot compartment (and this developed only after mistakenly starting the genset with the small charger still switched on - which the SM manual expressly advises against) does not sound familar to any one, then I should probably choose between looking behind the 220V switch panel or inside the small charger for a short ( after isolating the boat from mains power) or involving a specialist electrician. I am curious to know what type of damage risk the SM manual is cautioning against when it stresses the importance of not starting the genset when there are appliances still switched on at the 220 V switch panel.Is it damage to the genset or damage to the appliances? If there is any other approach you would recommend I'd be grateful for your advice.. Thanks again for your help, Chris Bromley
On July 22, 2020 at 12:35 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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A55 # 003- MERIT Angelo Gandola gangaway problem
Jose Alegria
Dear amelians Today de Angelo Gandola gangaway suffered a very slight touch against the rock pier. It does not respond to wireless, nor to wired remote control. The circuit breakers are operational and apparently the entire electronic circuit is working. All suggestions are welcome to put manually the gangay inside to avoid touching the dock again and how to find the cause of the gangaway not working. Kindest regards José Alegria A55#003MERIT
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Re: Shore power, small battery charger, genset, inverter.
Good catch Ryan. I thought he was talking about the Diruptor breaker. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 2:15 PM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:
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Re: Shore power, small battery charger, genset, inverter.
Ryan Meador
Chris, On our SM, the main circuit breaker is also a GFCI. On mine, this is indicated by a label reading "I∆n = 0.03A" on the circuit breaker, which means it has a 30mA ground fault limit. Given that your breaker is tripping instantly and there is no sign of overcurrent (presumably the branch breaker for the charger is of a lower rating than the main one, so it should trip first), I bet you're seeing a ground fault. This could be due to a failure inside the charger or something entirely unrelated. Is the charger specified to accept both 50Hz and 60Hz AC? Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 1:49 PM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: Chris,
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