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Re: Sea Safe life rafts by Datrex

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi I bought a 6-man self-righting Sea Safe liferaft approved for Ocean going, combined with a grab bag.  Cheaper models are either coastal only or are not self righting. 

Sea Safe can be serviced in many locations.

Regards
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sea Safe life rafts by Datrex

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

No I do not, but I am also aware that there are life rafts sold which are not rated for open ocean. I know someone who bought one only to find out later.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:51 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Anyone have knowledge of Sea Safe life rafts?  We are replacing our old 8 man Bombard and this brand looks like good buy but can't seem to find any solid reviews.


Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita 

SM 347

In Grenada 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor wash pump and toilet bowl

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Since the anchor wash pump was installed in several locations by Amel over the course of the SM production, you may want to state which pump yo have and where it is located.

Some pumps can have a defective or leaking valve which will cause it to pump some water backwards...this could be the explanation.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:39 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello

When using my anchor wash pump both my toilet bowls get full of salt water, any one experience the same and new the cause and remedy?

Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259 currently on Cape Verde



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I bought the external antenna kit so committed to install.

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 1, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

We mounted our GO at the nav station. In that position the flip up antenna works terrible, but with the external we have great reception. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Nov 1, 2016, at 07:47, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bob.  Others have told me same thing. That is, flip up antenna works quite well without external antenna. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, I've been using the Go for two years and just put it in the cockpit next to the wheelhouse window, has always worked with its internal flip antennae. I have the app on my iPad and iPhone to make calls and text.


Bob Grey
Renaissance III
A55 #25


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 07:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Sea Safe life rafts by Datrex

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Anyone have knowledge of Sea Safe life rafts?  We are replacing our old 8 man Bombard and this brand looks like good buy but can't seem to find any solid reviews.


Ben

Ben and Gayle

La Bella Vita 

SM 347

In Grenada 


Anchor wash pump and toilet bowl

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello

When using my anchor wash pump both my toilet bowls get full of salt water, any one experience the same and new the cause and remedy?

Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259 currently on Cape Verde


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Ben,

We mounted our GO at the nav station. In that position the flip up antenna works terrible, but with the external we have great reception. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Prickly Bay, Grenada

On Nov 1, 2016, at 07:47, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bob.  Others have told me same thing. That is, flip up antenna works quite well without external antenna. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, I've been using the Go for two years and just put it in the cockpit next to the wheelhouse window, has always worked with its internal flip antennae. I have the app on my iPad and iPhone to make calls and text.


Bob Grey
Renaissance III
A55 #25


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 07:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Bob.  Others have told me same thing. That is, flip up antenna works quite well without external antenna. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, I've been using the Go for two years and just put it in the cockpit next to the wheelhouse window, has always worked with its internal flip antennae. I have the app on my iPad and iPhone to make calls and text.


Bob Grey
Renaissance III
A55 #25


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 07:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] re: removing imarsat

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Gary.  This is exactly  what I must do.  Thanks for detail on obstacles to overcome.  I did suspect punching through rear lazarette would be troublesome - especially when cable has a connector on end which must pass through. 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 1, 2016, at 3:23 AM, Gary Wells gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I just got done running a new cable from the mount in the backstays to the cockpit for the AIS antenna. It is not a terribly difficult task, the cable lives in the chase/tray along port side all the way from the stern, through the big lazarette and into the cabling area behind the autohelm/steering complex.
It was difficult punching it through the sealant in the skinny space between the big fat lazarette and the aft cabin bulkhead (a narrow workspace and the propane hose is nearby) and I also had to climb into the cockpit lazarette to get it run straight ... which of course led to even more projects month list :) but all in all, not too tough. Lots of wire-ties and a bit of grunting but except for the one spot in the aft not too difficult of a pull.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Martin,

I believe the only reason to have a active radar enhancer is because you do not have an active AIS transponder, but with the price and benefits of AIS, I would never choose one over AIS. AND, an active radar enhancer will only enhance you as a radar target, but you will not receive enhanced radar returns.

If someone already has an AIS transponder and wants more, I suppose it will not hurt, but the number one problem that I see with an active radar enhancer is that you will never know when it is not transmitting properly. It does not take long to know if AIS is working properly.

When I wired our AMEC CAMINO AIS transponder, I used NMEA input from the GPS, eliminating the additional GPS antenna, and the AM/FM antenna on a Super Maramu for the antenna. I have a experienced about 12-18 miles transmission and about 25-30 miles reception. I bought a automobile flexible AM/FM antenna for the radio which lives inside the electronics drawer...works fine.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:47 AM, Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Why would you need this, if you have an active AIS?

Martin
S/Y CHIARA
Amel 54 #149

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 31.10.2016 um 22:51 schrieb eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

 

I currently only have the original octahedral metal radar reflector at the top of the mizzen mast.

I read many reviews and almost decided to get a good passive radar reflector, such as Echomax EM230.

Finally it seems to me, the advantages of an active (draws power to amplify the radar returned singal) reflector or RTE to be the way to go.  Besides sending a far superior returned radar signal, you are also alerted by visual and/or audio alarms when you are 'pinged'.

X-band radar is used by smaller ships (from 300T ?) as well as on Amels, etc.  Larger ships (> 3000T ?) use S-band offshore; they possibly may turn off their X band offshore.

All of this leads to my choice: Echomax Active-XS dual band RTE, and my question, where/how to mount it?

Has anyone already mounted this or the similar Active-X RTE already?  Possibilities are:
- in front of the mizzen above the radar, possibly best place (but being close to the mast cou ld affect performance)
- top of mizzen, but then will be pinged by very distant over the horizon ships, which I read is annoying at night (due to alarm alert)
- suspended between main mast spreaders (I am afraid it might be hit by the Furuno X-band radar on board)
- suspended between the mizzen backstays, so it can swing a bit to stay mostly vertical

Any experience welcome.  Echomax has 2 versions of the Active-XS; one has a base mount, the other has 2 end caps with eyes for suspending between spreaders or backstays.  For the base mount, the XS Ocean bracket could be used to mount forward of the mizzen.  Has anyone tried this & does this stainless steel mount fit the mizzen of a Super Maramu?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

luvkante
 

Does anybody please have a photo of a EM 230 installation on his mast available?
I am concerned of drilling holes into the mast and damaging something like cables in the cable channel.

What is the best location and fixing for a passive reflector like the Echomax EM230?

Martin S/Y CHIARA
AMEL 54 #149

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 31.10.2016 um 22:51 schrieb eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I currently only have the original octahedral metal radar reflector at the top of the mizzen mast.

I read many reviews and almost decided to get a good passive radar reflector, such as Echomax EM230.

Finally it seems to me, the advantages of an active (draws power to amplify the radar returned singal) reflector or RTE to be the way to go.  Besides sending a far superior returned radar signal, you are also alerted by visual and/or audio alarms when you are 'pinged'.

X-band radar is used by smaller ships (from 300T ?) as well as on Amels, etc.  Larger ships (> 3000T ?) use S-band offshore; they possibly may turn off their X band offshore.

All of this leads to my choice: Echomax Active-XS dual band RTE, and my question, where/how to mount it?

Has anyone already mounted this or the similar Active-X RTE already?  Possibilities are:
- in front of the mizzen above the radar, possibly best place (but being close to the mast could affect performance)
- top of mizzen, but then will be pinged by very distant over the horizon ships, which I read is annoying at night (due to alarm alert)
- suspended between main mast spreaders (I am afraid it might be hit by the Furuno X-band radar on board)
- suspended between the mizzen backstays, so it can swing a bit to stay mostly vertical

Any experience welcome.  Echomax has 2 versions of the Active-XS; one has a base mount, the other has 2 end caps with eyes for suspending between spreaders or backstays.  For the base mount, the XS Ocean bracket could be used to mount forward of the mizzen.  Has anyone tried this & does this stainless steel mount fit the mizzen of a Super Maramu?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

luvkante
 

Why would you need this, if you have an active AIS?

Martin
S/Y CHIARA
Amel 54 #149

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 31.10.2016 um 22:51 schrieb eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I currently only have the original octahedral metal radar reflector at the top of the mizzen mast.

I read many reviews and almost decided to get a good passive radar reflector, such as Echomax EM230.

Finally it seems to me, the advantages of an active (draws power to amplify the radar returned singal) reflector or RTE to be the way to go.  Besides sending a far superior returned radar signal, you are also alerted by visual and/or audio alarms when you are 'pinged'.

X-band radar is used by smaller ships (from 300T ?) as well as on Amels, etc.  Larger ships (> 3000T ?) use S-band offshore; they possibly may turn off their X band offshore.

All of this leads to my choice: Echomax Active-XS dual band RTE, and my question, where/how to mount it?

Has anyone already mounted this or the similar Active-X RTE already?  Possibilities are:
- in front of the mizzen above the radar, possibly best place (but being close to the mast could affect performance)
- top of mizzen, but then will be pinged by very distant over the horizon ships, which I read is annoying at night (due to alarm alert)
- suspended between main mast spreaders (I am afraid it might be hit by the Furuno X-band radar on board)
- suspended between the mizzen backstays, so it can swing a bit to stay mostly vertical

Any experience welcome.  Echomax has 2 versions of the Active-XS; one has a base mount, the other has 2 end caps with eyes for suspending between spreaders or backstays.  For the base mount, the XS Ocean bracket could be used to mount forward of the mizzen.  Has anyone tried this & does this stainless steel mount fit the mizzen of a Super Maramu?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN MDKVA Generator running problem

luvkante
 

Bill,

Amazing!

May I rent you for my TransAt trip?

Best,

Martin
S/V CHIARA
Amel 54 #149

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 31.10.2016 um 13:18 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gerhard,

Let me try to help you via long distance, as best as I can:

The Onan on BeBe has a Governor, Actuator  Part Number 306-5006-01 which replaced old#151-0779-01 . This governor keeps the Onan engine at 1,500 RPM regardless of load. As the load increases, RPM the governor increases the throttle to keep the RPM set at 1500.

The governor is controlled by the PCB electronic control board.

Assuming that you do not have a fuel problem, I would do the following, in this order.
  1. Check the load on the Onan by measuring the amps at the main line or main breaker on the breaker panel to ensure that you do not have a load caused by some sort of short or defective device.
  2. Check electrical connections from the PCB to the Governor, Actuator. Unplug the spade connectors and coat them with corrosionX
  3. Check the wiring harness and 3 connections to the PCB, coat these with corrosionX
  4. Check the PCB ground and coat with corrosionX...and check the two or three ground straps on the Onan for continuity and coat with corrosionX
  5. If you still have a problem, it is likely the PCB or the Governor, Actuator. You may want to contact the following Onan dealer:
    Eneq Limited
    49 Geroulanou Street
    17455 Alimos
    Tel: (30) 210 9886621
    savvasonan@...
  6. The Governor, Actuator will be around 250-300 euros,and the PCB will be about 1100 euros. It might be worth it to try a Governor, Actuator because if it solves your problem, you will save time and money.
Best,

Bill
BeBe 387



On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 2:48 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,


My generator is not running properly for the last few days.  It starts off fine for about 20 minutes and then revolusions go up and down in a wave pattern which gets worse and sounds like it's going to stall but it hasn't stalled yet.  When I turn it off there are no fault messages.  I've changed the primary and the Onan fuel filter and that hasn't fixed the problem.  It doesn't really sound like fuel starvation as the ups and downs are too even for that.


Has anybody got any suggestions what I could look for?  Many thanks.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SM 381 Pepino

Greece



Re: removing imarsat

Gary Wells
 

I just got done running a new cable from the mount in the backstays to the cockpit for the AIS antenna. It is not a terribly difficult task, the cable lives in the chase/tray along port side all the way from the stern, through the big lazarette and into the cabling area behind the autohelm/steering complex.
It was difficult punching it through the sealant in the skinny space between the big fat lazarette and the aft cabin bulkhead (a narrow workspace and the propane hose is nearby) and I also had to climb into the cockpit lazarette to get it run straight ... which of course led to even more projects month list :) but all in all, not too tough. Lots of wire-ties and a bit of grunting but except for the one spot in the aft not too difficult of a pull.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Very neat Bill. Well done. 
Every SM should have one. I have read of a simple method to remove core material, needed whether through bolting or not. I did like your method. However when through bolting it is necessary so a solid epoxy area will stop compression as you tighten bolts. The method. As you did drill the bolt sized hole. Then bend a nail to give the length to remove the desired amount of core. Put it in the chuck of your cordless drill, enter it and spin. (carefully)
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl


From: "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

 
One of our projects while we were here in Annapolis was to install the cockpit control for the mizzen traveler.  A nice piece of work, if I say so myself.  Of course it should be, I copied the way Amel did it...

More details and pictures here:  
https://fetchinketch.net/boat-projects/mizzen-traveler/

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 21, 2016, at 15:41, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Hi Bill, I have seen one done very neatly. They mounted an Andersen  line tender the same as the main traveler has on the coach roof beside the cleat on the starboard side. He ran the lines around blocks in the same manner as the main traveler. It looked good (amel) and was easy to operate. I'd like one myself.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl




From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 4:27 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

 
Has anyone rigged the mizzen traveler on a SM to be adjustable from the cockpit? If so... how?

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highands, NJ
"Ships and men rot in port."







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Removing Imarsat

Bob Grey
 

Ben, I've been using the Go for two years and just put it in the cockpit next to the wheelhouse window, has always worked with its internal flip antennae. I have the app on my iPad and iPhone to make calls and text.

Bob Grey
Renaissance III

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016, 07:50, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

In the next few days I am removing the original non working Imarsat phone and installing an Iridium Go.  It seems the best approach is to install Iridium satellite anntena at same spot as current Imarsat dome - a small stainless base on crossmember between split backstay.  I will pull out the old cable and pull in new anntena coax.  It looks like a dirty knuckle breaking job.


Can anyone provide guidance as to best approach?  Where does the existing cable enter the cabin ?  Are there any intermediate access points to facilitate pulling cable? Any input would be appreciated.


Ben Driver

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently in Grenada 


Re: Removing Imarsat

Paul Osterberg
 

We installed the I Go and use the old cable, it looks to be of much better quality than the new very expensive one. I just fasten the new antenna with a hose clamp on one of the backstays, protected the wire and the antenna fitting with a piece if hose, wery quick and light installation . Works very well
Paul on sykerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

One of our projects while we were here in Annapolis was to install the cockpit control for the mizzen traveler.  A nice piece of work, if I say so myself.  Of course it should be, I copied the way Amel did it...

More details and pictures here:  
https://fetchinketch.net/boat-projects/mizzen-traveler/

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 21, 2016, at 15:41, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Hi Bill, I have seen one done very neatly. They mounted an Andersen  line tender the same as the main traveler has on the coach roof beside the cleat on the starboard side. He ran the lines around blocks in the same manner as the main traveler. It looked good (amel) and was easy to operate. I'd like one myself.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl




From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 4:27 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen Traveler

 
Has anyone rigged the mizzen traveler on a SM to be adjustable from the cockpit? If so... how?

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highands, NJ
"Ships and men rot in port."





Radar Target Enhancer (RTE) - active X & S band

eamonn.washington@...
 

I currently only have the original octahedral metal radar reflector at the top of the mizzen mast.

I read many reviews and almost decided to get a good passive radar reflector, such as Echomax EM230.

Finally it seems to me, the advantages of an active (draws power to amplify the radar returned singal) reflector or RTE to be the way to go.  Besides sending a far superior returned radar signal, you are also alerted by visual and/or audio alarms when you are 'pinged'.

X-band radar is used by smaller ships (from 300T ?) as well as on Amels, etc.  Larger ships (> 3000T ?) use S-band offshore; they possibly may turn off their X band offshore.

All of this leads to my choice: Echomax Active-XS dual band RTE, and my question, where/how to mount it?

Has anyone already mounted this or the similar Active-X RTE already?  Possibilities are:
- in front of the mizzen above the radar, possibly best place (but being close to the mast could affect performance)
- top of mizzen, but then will be pinged by very distant over the horizon ships, which I read is annoying at night (due to alarm alert)
- suspended between main mast spreaders (I am afraid it might be hit by the Furuno X-band radar on board)
- suspended between the mizzen backstays, so it can swing a bit to stay mostly vertical

Any experience welcome.  Echomax has 2 versions of the Active-XS; one has a base mount, the other has 2 end caps with eyes for suspending between spreaders or backstays.  For the base mount, the XS Ocean bracket could be used to mount forward of the mizzen.  Has anyone tried this & does this stainless steel mount fit the mizzen of a Super Maramu?

Thanks
Eamonn
SM #151 Travel Bug



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Sorry, Bill

Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth!

One thing that might not be clear to people is that this discussion only applies to stainless anchors. If you bend your carbon steel anchor, hot bending is the way to go to get it straight again.

Bill K.

On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:12, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Bill,

You stated, "If you bend it cold do as Bill R suggests..."

That is not accurate. I said "...was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel." I also said, "I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank."

Like I said, I have no idea which is the best method and when I wrote the above I knew that there would be a few experts chime in.

Oh, 10 years later, all is fine.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@yahoo.com <mailto:greatketch@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Actually, hot bending does NOT work harden stainless steel. That is what happens when you bend it cold.


Bending austenitic stainless steel and keeping full strength is a very fussy project. Temperature for bending and temperature for re-annealing the metal are different and not likely to be well done by someone inexperienced on a large piece.

Done “at home” it is very likely that BOTH hot and cold bending will reduce the ultimate tensile strength. If you bend it cold do as Bill R suggests, in a press, quickly and all in one go to reduce further work hardening that already is present from the initial bend.

And Capt Richard is right: there aren’t very many properties of stainless that make it a better material to make an anchor out of compared to good galvanized carbon steel—but it IS pretty!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD—Ready to run south away from Winter!
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net <http://fetchinketch.net/>





On Oct 31, 2016, at 09:07, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com <mailto:richard03801@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Bill you're right about heating stainless steel. It work hardens the stainless and leaves it brittle. And don't hammer it either does the same thing. Also keep in mind that pound for pound steel anchors are by far stronger than SS.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI
Cell 603 767 5330 <tel:603%20767%205330>

On Oct 31, 2016, at 08:26, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Barry,

About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel.

I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@yahoo.com <mailto:connor_barry@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Hi Jeff,
I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it.
I bent my 30kg Wasi stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor.
I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily


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On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups@svbebe.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Jeff,

That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries.

I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@optonline.net <mailto:jmkraus@optonline.net> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Good Morning Barry,
Thank you for your response.
The mantra with Amel has always been not to change anything. That said, there are always exceptions. Not being a historian on battery development, I didn't have a clue as to where AMG batteries fit into the time frame of the design of the Amel electrical system in regards to the 54, and whether they could be integrated into use.
Considering your hull number, I'd be shocked if there were many differences between your boat and mine, especially something as basic as the chargers. I'm coming to the conclusion that , though it may be feasible to incorporate the AMG batteries into use (key is "may be"), why bother. If someone as knowledgeable as Olivier recommended staying with FWCs to avoid issues with many other things, that's ultimately good enough for me.
I look forward to seeing your photos.

Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 07:46 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@yahoo.com <mailto:connor_barry@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] wrote:



Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily
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On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com <mailto:richard03801@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs
There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI
Cell 603 767 5330 <tel:603%20767%205330>

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@optonline.net <mailto:jmkraus@optonline.net> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity giv es me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@yahoo.com <mailto:richard03801@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] wrote:



Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units.
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI
Cell 603 767 5330 <tel:603%20767%205330>

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@optonline.net <mailto:jmkraus@optonline.net> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14