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Re: Updated Event: ZOOM - Jimmy Cornell - Pacific Voyage Planning - Confirmed - Saturday, 13 February 2021 #cal-invite

 

Regrettably, we have to cancel this zoom presentation with Jimmy Cornell. He emailed me and said that he felt it was an injustice to do a presentation on a Pacific Voyage at this time because of the current restrictions in the Pacific countries. We will plan to do the presentation at the end of 2021 for those planning a Pacific Voyage in 2022. This will be better for those planning in 2022 because the information will be fresh.

I am attempting to get someone to present something in February at this date and time and will let you know when I have accomplished this.  
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 9:16 AM main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <noreply@groups.io> wrote:

ZOOM - Jimmy Cornell - Pacific Voyage Planning - Confirmed

When:
Saturday, 13 February 2021
20:00 to 21:00
(UTC+00:00) UTC

Organizer: Bill Rouse BROUSE@... 4093563221

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description:

29 Jan Update - Canceled

Jimmy Cornell is joining our group again for another Ocean passage briefing.
This event will be the Pacific Voyage Planning. The Atlantic Voyage Planning meeting we had in October has been viewed by over 1219 Amel Owners and Amel enthusiasts.

Jimmy Cornell has influenced the contemporary cruising scene more than any other sailor. An accomplished sailor, public speaker, and author, he has sailed over 200,000 miles in all oceans of the world including three circumnavigations as well as voyages to Antarctica and the Northwest Passage.

Thousands of sailors have fulfilled their dream of blue water cruising with the help of Jimmy Cornell’s books, among them the international bestseller World Cruising Routes. Now in its 8th edition, and with over 200,000 copies sold to date, this is one of the best selling nautical publications in the world.

As the founder of the highly successful ARC transatlantic rally, Jimmy Cornell is credited with having devised the offshore cruising rally concept. In the last four decades, Jimmy Cornell has organized 38 transatlantic rallies, five round the world rallies, and one round the world race, with over 3,000 boats and 15,000 sailors having participated in his sailing events.

From my perspective, the first Jimmy Cornell seminar that Judy and I attended was after we had sailed most of the world and had over 20 years of sailing experience. We learned a lot!

We are very pleased that Jimmy has taken time out of his very busy schedule to give a special ZOOM presentation to the Amel Yacht Owners Group. I encourage you to RSVP soon for this meeting.

Zoom Meeting:
https://epfl.zoom.us/j/83903104618?pwd=SUF5Q0g4TjJRUFRuMlZpTU43TnFEUT09

Meeting ID: 839 0310 4618
Passcode: 536562
 


Updated Event: ZOOM - Jimmy Cornell - Pacific Voyage Planning - Confirmed - Saturday, 13 February 2021 #cal-invite

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ZOOM - Jimmy Cornell - Pacific Voyage Planning - Confirmed

When:
Saturday, 13 February 2021
20:00 to 21:00
(UTC+00:00) UTC

Organizer: Bill Rouse BROUSE@... 4093563221

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description:

29 Jan Update - Canceled

Jimmy Cornell is joining our group again for another Ocean passage briefing.
This event will be the Pacific Voyage Planning. The Atlantic Voyage Planning meeting we had in October has been viewed by over 1219 Amel Owners and Amel enthusiasts.

Jimmy Cornell has influenced the contemporary cruising scene more than any other sailor. An accomplished sailor, public speaker, and author, he has sailed over 200,000 miles in all oceans of the world including three circumnavigations as well as voyages to Antarctica and the Northwest Passage.

Thousands of sailors have fulfilled their dream of blue water cruising with the help of Jimmy Cornell’s books, among them the international bestseller World Cruising Routes. Now in its 8th edition, and with over 200,000 copies sold to date, this is one of the best selling nautical publications in the world.

As the founder of the highly successful ARC transatlantic rally, Jimmy Cornell is credited with having devised the offshore cruising rally concept. In the last four decades, Jimmy Cornell has organized 38 transatlantic rallies, five round the world rallies, and one round the world race, with over 3,000 boats and 15,000 sailors having participated in his sailing events.

From my perspective, the first Jimmy Cornell seminar that Judy and I attended was after we had sailed most of the world and had over 20 years of sailing experience. We learned a lot!

We are very pleased that Jimmy has taken time out of his very busy schedule to give a special ZOOM presentation to the Amel Yacht Owners Group. I encourage you to RSVP soon for this meeting.

Zoom Meeting:
https://epfl.zoom.us/j/83903104618?pwd=SUF5Q0g4TjJRUFRuMlZpTU43TnFEUT09

Meeting ID: 839 0310 4618
Passcode: 536562
 


Photo New Stainless Steel Turnbuckle with Bronze.JPG uploaded #photo-notice

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The following photos have been uploaded to the Amel SM - Standing Rigging album of the main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io group.

By: CW Bill Rouse


Re: ACMO Rigging

Peter Forbes
 

I have just changed my order on Acmo to stainless.

Thank you Bill.

Peter

Peter Forbes
CARANGO
Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 29 Jan 2021, at 14:17, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

Well done Bill from start to finish! A concern to all of us nearing replacing standing rigging and
you did a good job in keeping the group positive.


Re: ACMO Rigging

Ian Park
 

Well done Bill from start to finish! A concern to all of us nearing replacing standing rigging and
you did a good job in keeping the group positive.


Re: ACMO Rigging

 

More very good information from ACMO:

ACMO now has a turnbuckle with a combination of Stainless Steel with Bronze. For a complete rigging kit for a SM the approximate increased cost is 150 €. This is a no-brainer.

Laetitia <laetitia@...> writes:
Do not hesitate to offer them the attached turnbuckle.
the ideal solution if your client is in a port where the air is a little chlorinated ...
All stainless steel turnbuckle with a bronze ring, no more chrome plating worries!  (Just a little more expensive)


--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: ACMO Rigging

Peter Forbes
 

Bill,

If this is the case - and who knows where the ‘air’ is chlorinated - is there a case to review the material that turnbuckles are made of? It is a pity if the ship looks bad because the turnbuckles can’t be buffed up?

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango
Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle - just having rig replaced!!!
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 29 Jan 2021, at 13:49, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


All, more information on chrome plating today vs chrome plating yesterday.

Laetitia Boudon <laetitia@...> (laetitia"at"acmo.fr) wrote the following:

I forgot to tell you that the products for chrome plating are also weaker than before, always to protect nature. People need to understand this :) ACMO quality is still there!
Regarding her comment, "always to protect nature," I did some research and found the US EPA and the EU EPA has caused all of us some issues with chrome plating today vs yesterday.
https://www.pfonline.com/articles/hard-chrome-plating-its-past-present-and-future

--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: ACMO Rigging

 

All, more information on chrome plating today vs chrome plating yesterday.

Laetitia Boudon <laetitia@...> (laetitia"at"acmo.fr) wrote the following:

I forgot to tell you that the products for chrome plating are also weaker than before, always to protect nature. People need to understand this :) ACMO quality is still there!
Regarding her comment, "always to protect nature," I did some research and found the US EPA and the EU EPA has caused all of us some issues with chrome plating today vs yesterday.
https://www.pfonline.com/articles/hard-chrome-plating-its-past-present-and-future

--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


locked Re: Rigging

 

I would appreciate it if members of this group adhere to the posting policies:

We encourage postings that will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond. Members will register with their given names rather than aliases. Members who currently own an Amel should always sign postings with their given name, boat name, Amel model, and hull number.    

I am locking this thread and deleting posts.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 4:52 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Hi Craig and Mark,

 We were rerigged in Hyeres about 4 years ago, ACMO turn buckles and wire direct from the German manufacturers.

 The wire is fine. The finish on the turnbuckles is undoubtedly inferior to that of the original ACMO ones fitted by Amel when Pen Azen was built 21 years ago.

 I have no doubts about the strength of the turnbuckles but it's a shame that ACMO seem now to skimp on the chrome.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: 29 January 2021 03:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Rigging
 
Mark Barter's "edited" post about his recently purchased ACMO rigging originally noted seemingly premature rusting of the wires and tarnished turnbuckles that could not be polished. I've had the same experience with my now 10 year old ACMO rigging and now that Mark mentions it, it did start seemingly early on but I dismissed that as normal. The turnbuckles, of course, are chromed bronze, not stainless, and, yes, the finish on mine, too, seemed to become dull quickly (a year or two)  and will not take a polish.

Mark went a bit overboard by stating things in a way that seem disparaging to a "favored" Amel vendor when he said he presumes "substandard stainless steel was used".  I strongly doubt that is the case as ACMO has been the factory supplier for years, but I think his concerns about the cosmetics are legitimate and I share his curiosity as to whether other owners have had similar experience, and/or a remedy.  I do take my favorite muriatic acid to the shrouds now and then and it does a great job of clearing the rust stains, but the turnbuckles remain a bit dingy and do not polish well.

Here's Mark's unedited post (without the pictures he notes). I don't know why but there was a link to this original when I read the post. 
In December 2019 we had our standing rigging replaced by Seanergie in Hyeres.They used ACMO rigging and WDS wire. I have attached some photos taken a week ago. As you will see the rigging is badly tarnished and rusting in places. The bottle screws won't polish. I can only presume that seriously sub standard stainless steel has been used because the guard rails which are 28 years old are still gleaming. Has anybody else experienced this problem with ACMO rigging?--Mark & Nicky BarterS/V NunkySM 110
Cheers, Craig --
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: ACMO Rigging

 

All, 

I locked this email thread because it violates posting rules, but I also contacted ACMO with the original poster's complaints about his rigging. The Amel Yacht Owners Group has this posting policy (in part): "Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without the ability of the other side to respond." I am sure we could argue the validity of this rule, but I believe it is one of the things that separate the Amel Yacht Owners Group from many other similar groups.
 
Please do not respond to this posting with further negative remarks about ACMO. If you believe that you have an issue with a purchase you made from ACMO, contact ACMO directly. ACMO has been an exceptional resource for many Amel owners. ACMO is the supplier of rigging to Amel and it is unusual that ACMO will deal directly with Amel owners. ACMO makes a quality product and if there is an issue, they have responded professionally.
 
And, BTW, I find it admirable that privately Laetitia Boudon said to me: 
"In your place, I would not have deleted this gentleman's post but try to help him, thank you, but I find it not the best solution :("

This was ACMO's complete response:
Hello Bill
I thank you for your feedback.
Do you know why the customer did not come to us to ask for help with this problem?

For cables:
It is very important that people understand that during the first months it is necessary to clean the cables with water and mild soap, because during the manufacture grease is used and the cleaning products are more environmentally friendly. When the cable is under tension, a little grease may come out and dust will stick to it! There is therefore appearance of this "rust" color which does not have any! You just have to scrub with a soft brush.

For the turnbuckles:
Do you know the place where the boat is "stowed"? According to my chromeur, the chlorine in the air can cause this problem, so I can change the turnbuckle cages for him.

For the axis:
I have no explanation for the moment. Can you have a photo of the axis side.


Do you think it's a good idea for me to talk to Mr. Mark Barter? I would like this client to contact me.

I will also contact SEANERGIE.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards
Laetitia Boudon

laetitia@....

 





--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


locked Re: Rigging

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 
Edited

Hi Craig and Mark,
 
 We were rerigged in Hyeres about 4 years ago, ACMO turn buckles and wire direct from the German manufacturers.
 
 
 
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece
 


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...>
Sent: 29 January 2021 03:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Rigging
 
Mark Barter's "edited" post about his recently purchased ACMO rigging originally noted seemingly premature rusting of the wires and tarnished turnbuckles that could not be polished. I've had the same experience with my now 10 year old ACMO rigging and now that Mark mentions it, it did start seemingly early on but I dismissed that as normal. The turnbuckles, of course, are chromed bronze, not stainless, and, yes, the finish on mine, too, seemed to become dull quickly (a year or two)  and will not take a polish.

Mark went a bit overboard by stating things in a way that seem disparaging to a "favored" Amel vendor when he said he presumes "substandard stainless steel was used".  I strongly doubt that is the case as ACMO has been the factory supplier for years, but I think his concerns about the cosmetics are legitimate and I share his curiosity as to whether other owners have had similar experience, and/or a remedy.  I do take my favorite muriatic acid to the shrouds now and then and it does a great job of clearing the rust stains, but the turnbuckles remain a bit dingy and do not polish well.

Here's Mark's unedited post (without the pictures he notes). I don't know why but there was a link to this original when I read the post. 
In December 2019 we had our standing rigging replaced by Seanergie in Hyeres.They used ACMO rigging and WDS wire. I have attached some photos taken a week ago. As you will see the rigging is badly tarnished and rusting in places. The bottle screws won't polish. I can only presume that seriously sub standard stainless steel has been used because the guard rails which are 28 years old are still gleaming. Has anybody else experienced this problem with ACMO rigging?--Mark & Nicky BarterS/V NunkySM 110
Cheers, Craig --
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


locked Rigging

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Mark Barter's "edited" post about his recently purchased ACMO rigging originally noted 


Cheers, Craig --
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


ACMO Rigging

Mark Barter
 
Edited

In December 2019 we had our standing rigging replaced by Seanergie in Hyeres.

They used ACMO rigging and WDS wire.


--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: The maintenance fuel bladders

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thomas,

Can't help ya on maintaining the fuel bladder, but I can give you our experience on the Hawaii-Tahiti passage.

It sucked.

Our 31 day 4848 nm passage from Panama to Hawaii was much much easier. And this one was only a bit more than half the distance.

More detail: We left from Maui and went leeward of Big Island. Alenuihaha channel delivered on its threats and we got 40+ knots right when we hit the wind line. Leeward of B.I. is a confused swelly mess with little wind. We stayed close to shore to take advantage of the little sea/land breeze, but we motored a good 8 hours on that side, I think. Friends who went further offshore in the lee hated life even more.

As you know, Mie had some visa extension uncertainty so we had to leave Hawaii by a certain date. First tip is time departure for a northerly and shoot east. Try to go windward of all the islands. When they say you should focus on making easting, you should really take it to heart, especially early in the passage. As you know, current and wind are kind of against you and only gets worse. Second tip: download the RTOFS models in the highest resolution possible, for the entire passage, before you leave. You can get updates via satellite/ssb along the way for smaller areas, but the overall pattern didn't change too much during our passage. There are a few eddies as you near the ITCZ that will help you immensely if you can get to them. Speaking of which, once we passed the ICTZ, we got winds from due south, so we shot straight east. 

We crossed the equator at 144W. That makes life easier once you hit the South Pacific trades.

We used around 200 liters fuel total, I think. We only run our genset for an hour every 2.5-3 days or so while sailing, but I think with your wind gen and prevailing winds forward of the beam, you'll be using your genset as little or even less than we did. Do what makes you feel comfortable re: carrying fuel but I think you'll be using less fuel than you think.

Good luck and aside from the less than pleasant sail down, FP is definitely worth the effort and IMO is better than Hawaii in many ways. We are at the Papeete airport on the way out now, but will be back in 3 months. Hope to see you guys then!

Sorry for the thread drift, but hope this info makes your passage a little easier than ours.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Machine shop in Tahiti

Scott SV Tengah
 

Have you friend reach out to me and I can set him up with the Russian. That guy is cheap and knows the lay of the land. 

He can also look up the Societies compendium written by fellow cruisers. A few companies listed there. There's a local who lived in NZ for many years and speaks great English. Haven't used him but hear good things. He's in the doc. 

Technimarine could maybe do it but $$$$$ and you might not get what you pay for. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Machine shop in Tahiti

Porter McRoberts
 

There is plenty of support there. You can buy all the replacement seals and bearings at Tahiti Roulement. And plenty of folks who can help. Scott, have the number of your Russian engineer?  


Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
A54-152

On Jan 27, 2021, at 1:03 PM, Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hello Everybody,

Can anyone recommend a good machine shop in Pape'ete for rebuilding the outhaul gearbox? Has anyone had this done in Tahiti before? The bronze worm gear has likely been sheared by the steel worm. The unit is a Leroy Somer.

Asking for a friend who is currently on passage from NZ to Tahiti on a Super Maramu.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
Opua, NZ


Machine shop in Tahiti

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hello Everybody,

Can anyone recommend a good machine shop in Pape'ete for rebuilding the outhaul gearbox? Has anyone had this done in Tahiti before? The bronze worm gear has likely been sheared by the steel worm. The unit is a Leroy Somer.

Asking for a friend who is currently on passage from NZ to Tahiti on a Super Maramu.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
Opua, NZ


Re: Amel 55 Webasto install

Billy Newport
 

Found 2 things this morning. The light for the heater indicator in the engine room is an normal bulb and was blown hence no flashing.

The burner on the webasto was seriously burned up and coked. The unit doesn't look like it's been serviced since factory and I put 3 months on it up to this week or 2k hours. You are supposed to clean the burner every 1000-1500 hours so this isn't unexpected at this point. New burner is 500 USD more or less.


Amel 55 Webasto install

Billy Newport
 

My Webasto is acting up and stopping during operation. Normally, there would be a switch with on/off and a LED to indicate fault codes. There is also a fuse block with a F1 (20A), F2 (5A) and a F3 (20A).

Amel custom installs this heater so there is no "normal" switch and no normal fuse block. There is a heater start/stop on the DC breaker panel by the nav table. This normally starts/stops it. There is on a box on the fwd bulk head in the engine room a white box with bilge/inverter/heater breakers. If the panel is removed then there is also 2 x 2A fuses seemingly attached to the harness from the webasto.

My question is how is this all wired up? Is the breaker in the engine room the normal switch? Are the 2 2A fuses F1/F2/F3 or something else? The amel manual doesn't really cover this much.

The LED in the engine room does not flash in my case to indicate the fault code. The heater was running 24/7 for about 2.5 months before it stopped while I was away and I have managed to get it to run twice since returning but it shuts down again with no code after 10-18 hours of normal operation.

When I got the boat, the pressure guage for the heater was 0 bar. I added water to the circuit, bringing it up to 1 bar and when it ran, the pressure rose to just under 1.5 bar.

When I returned this weekend after it stopped, I noticed the cold pressure was back to 0 again. I recharged it to 1 bar and the heater worked later that night but not when I recharged it.

When it stopped today, the pressure was still normal (1.4 bar hot).

Without the code, it's hard to get any remote help. I cannot get out of lock mode (when it stopped with a fault) without knowing where F1/F2/F3 are.

Any help appreciated.


Re: Hardtop for Amel 54 and SM

VICTOR MOLERO
 

Hello all.
I am interested. Of course it depends on price and design.
Thanks.
Victor  
SM314 Alendoy

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