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SM2000 - Have you replaced your dishwasher by a fridge/freezer? #galley

Dominique Guenot
 

We are not using our dishwasher which is just taking space.

Have you replaced your dishwasher by a fridge/freezer?  or something else? 

Any experience greatly appreciated 

Thanks  
Dominique Guenot 
sv Viva #374
Papeete, French Polynesia  

Re: Beam IV : A55 ; Bonaire , [AmelYachtOwners] A55: fresh water pump system

 

The air pressure to the accumulator tank should be about 10-15% less than the pump cutoff pressure as noted on the pressure gauge of the water pump.
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:03 AM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Thank you Paul ,

I ‘l follow that protocol , thank you .

Bill’’s suggestion is really useful I’l follow up on that & report back.

Good too to have the further suggestion which we’ll keep in mind .
There should be plenty of bicycle pumps on this Dutch island...

Stuart  

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

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On 23 Feb 2020, at 11:33, Paul Stascavage via Groups.Io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Stuart,

Welcome to the forum my good friend. You will find a wealth of information here as well as some incredibly nice, knowledgeable, and helpful people.

Just an FYI. It is best if you include your boat name, model, hull number and location below your signature line. This information will assist those who respond as there are variations among models and hull numbers. Additionally,  knowing your location someone can often suggest services of suppliers or contractors in your area.

All the Best,

Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

RitaKathryn.com

Currently Cruising Bahamas




Beam IV : A55 ; Bonaire , [AmelYachtOwners] A55: fresh water pump system

Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...>
 

Thank you Paul ,

I ‘l follow that protocol , thank you .

Bill’’s suggestion is really useful I’l follow up on that & report back.

Good too to have the further suggestion which we’ll keep in mind .
There should be plenty of bicycle pumps on this Dutch island...

Stuart  

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

From the US  :    561 371 2321


E . Studio@...

W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


On 23 Feb 2020, at 11:33, Paul Stascavage via Groups.Io <pstas2003@...> wrote:

Stuart,

Welcome to the forum my good friend. You will find a wealth of information here as well as some incredibly nice, knowledgeable, and helpful people.

Just an FYI. It is best if you include your boat name, model, hull number and location below your signature line. This information will assist those who respond as there are variations among models and hull numbers. Additionally,  knowing your location someone can often suggest services of suppliers or contractors in your area.

All the Best,

Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

RitaKathryn.com

Currently Cruising Bahamas




Re: A55: fresh water pump system

 

Yes, the lack of flow is caused by a lack of sufficient pressure. In my experience, the lack of pressure can be caused by:
  1. An open tap
  2. A break in the freshwater circuit
  3. A defective solenoid rinse valve on the water maker
  4. Defective solenoid flush valves on any toilet
  5. Defective anchor wash valve on the anchor wash (freshwater option)
  6. A defective impeller in the freshwater pump. (this pump has a metal impeller)
  7. A broken key securing the impeller to the shaft
  8. A defective one-way valve 
  9. Debris in the one-way valve
  10. Defective or out of adjustment Pressure Switch
        1 - 5 will result in a loss of freshwater.
        6 & 7 will probably result in zero pressure and no loss of freshwater
        8 & 9 can result in no pressure to partial pressure with no loss of freshwater
        10 will probably not be your issue because you said the pump is running constantly with insufficient pressure

        Stuart, the reason I did not go into detail in my first response is that you did not mention any loss of freshwater. The accumulator tank allows your freshwater pump to cycle less and have longer non-running periods. The tank allows for the accumulation of water pressure because of an expandable internal bladder which is supported by air pressure on one side. If/when the internal bladder fails or air pressure supporting the bladder reduces, the pump will cycle more often.

        I hope this clarification helps. I am sure that you understand the accuracy of remote diagnosis, especially with limited information.

        Best,

        CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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        On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 8:45 AM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
        Stuart, I would try the following if the pump runs continuously.  The cause is likely a lack of pressure in the Accumulator tank.  At the tank, there is a blue cover which you can remove and where you can hook up a bicycle pump.  Turn off the pump and pump it up so the pressure shown on the meter is 2 bar.  See pic.  I hope this helps!  

        Joerg Esdorn
        A55 Kincsem

        Re: A55: fresh water pump system

        Paul Stascavage
         

        Stuart,

        Welcome to the forum my good friend. You will find a wealth of information here as well as some incredibly nice, knowledgeable, and helpful people.

        Just an FYI. It is best if you include your boat name, model, hull number and location below your signature line. This information will assist those who respond as there are variations among models and hull numbers. Additionally, knowing your location someone can often suggest services of suppliers or contractors in your area.

        All the Best,

        Paul Stascavage
        S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466

        RitaKathryn.com

        Currently Cruising Bahamas

        Re: A55: fresh water pump system

        Joerg Esdorn
         

        Stuart, I would try the following if the pump runs continuously.  The cause is likely a lack of pressure in the Accumulator tank.  At the tank, there is a blue cover which you can remove and where you can hook up a bicycle pump.  Turn off the pump and pump it up so the pressure shown on the meter is 2 bar.  See pic.  I hope this helps!  

        Joerg Esdorn
        A55 Kincsem

        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

         

        Alan,

        Agree. 

        Best,

        CW Bill Rouse 
        Amel Owners Yacht School
        +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
        720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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        On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 2:31 AM Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
        Hi Matt,

        I don't think that's right.
        Our ICOM setup, setup according to the installation instructions, has a heavy green yellow/wire from the SSB ground connection to the AT130 tuner.
        Then there is a heavy green/yellow wire from the AT130 tuner to the bolt connection in the lazarette which has copper tape connecting that bolt to the sintered bronze plates on the skeg.
        If you don't connect it like this , where does the ground for the SSB transmitter go? ... certainly NOT to the bonding system.
        In our ICOM SSB, the transmitter ground is internally connected to the 12V negative supply line, hence the need for an isolated power supply so that there is no connection between ground and 24V negative, which would compromise the bonding system via the seawater path between the sintered bronze plate and the anodes.

        Cheers
        Alan
        Elyse SM437

        Re: Headliner fix

        Mark Barter
         

        Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
        --
        Mark & Nicky Barter
        S/V Nunky
        SM 110

        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

        Alan Leslie
         

        Hi Matt,

        I don't think that's right.
        Our ICOM setup, setup according to the installation instructions, has a heavy green yellow/wire from the SSB ground connection to the AT130 tuner.
        Then there is a heavy green/yellow wire from the AT130 tuner to the bolt connection in the lazarette which has copper tape connecting that bolt to the sintered bronze plates on the skeg.
        If you don't connect it like this , where does the ground for the SSB transmitter go? ... certainly NOT to the bonding system.
        In our ICOM SSB, the transmitter ground is internally connected to the 12V negative supply line, hence the need for an isolated power supply so that there is no connection between ground and 24V negative, which would compromise the bonding system via the seawater path between the sintered bronze plate and the anodes.

        Cheers
        Alan
        Elyse SM437

        Re: Headliner fix

        Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
         

        Hi Chip,

        Trilogy (1990 SM23) needed a fix for its failing headliner when I bought her in November 2017. First attempt was to remove all the old, toxic junk between the vinyl and fiberglass. It was a brutal task and a serious health risk as Joel makes clear. We tried 3M headliner adhesive spray hoping it would stick with the disintegrating foam layer removed. We tried this in just the bow first. It didn't last more than a month.
        The solution we ended up with was 1.25" wide x 0.25" thick strips of wood screwed into the ceiling about 1 foot apart. The wood we found was from an old wooden boat (marine quality and a good color match after some new varnish). We used this solution everywhere and it's holding up very well. Only if you reach up and touch the vinyl can you tell it's not really attached. I hesitated doing this at first because I wanted an original look and didn't want to put all those screws into the boat. Looking back, I wish I skipped the torture experiment in the bow and went with the wood strips first. There are other ways to tackle this issue, but these strips saved us a lot of time and money. Stay safe!

        Cheers,
        Mike Longcor
        SV Trilogy SM23
        Opua, NZ

        Re: A55: fresh water pump system

         

        Stuart,

        There could be several possible issues, but I suspect that if you are not losing water and only losing water pressure, there is a problem with the one-way valve on the freshwater pump. This valve is important to build pressure. When it is leaking, defective or blocked by debris, the pressure will not build and water pumped by the freshwater pump will return to the tank.

        The one-way valve is a brass fitting on the output of the freshwater pump. It looks like a simple brass connector, but inside is a valve. The photo below isn't your exact setup, but similar.

        I suggest finding the one-way valve and removing it for inspection. You did not say where you are located, but many plumbing shops will have this valve.

        Again, everything above is based on the fact that you dod not say that you are losing water and that the pump is running continuously with some pressure on an outlet close to the pump. There could be several other possibilities...the above is my guess based on what you wrote.

        image.png
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        On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
        Bill ,

        Being a newcomer to the Amel Yacht Owners Group I am not sure yet how to post a question and so I hope you don’t mind uf I address it to you.

        We have a lack of pressure in the two bathrooms and the fresh water pump runs continuously except when turned off on tbe 24v board.

        There seems to be plenty of pressure on the transom shower.

        Might there be a filter in the pump or a pressure switch at fault?

        Stuart
          

        Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


        Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


         Grove Park Studios,

        188-192 Sutton court Road,

        Chiswick,

        London,

        W4 3HR

         

        Telephone

        From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

        From the US  :    561 371 2321


        E . Studio@...

        W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


        On 22 Feb 2020, at 11:50, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

        
        Chip,

        I normally say something like, "trust the original design." But, "trust" is what got us to this point. I think Henri Amel trusted the polyfoam manufacturers to deliver a good product to the vinyl covering manufacturer. And, I believe that Henri Amel trusted the polyfoam backing on the headliner to last a lot longer, but so did most automobile manufacturers at the same time period.

        I really do not have the kind of thermal engineering background to be sure that the following comments are 100% correct, but I believe they are: 
        An Amel is an unusually dry boat, however, one can change the original design and unintentionally create barriers that aid/cause moisture to form from condensation because of a difference in temperature. This is sometimes inadvertently done by modifying refrigeration or air conditioning, and I assume could be done by adding a non-breathing barrier to the ceiling where the outside temperature and inside temperature can merge to create condensation. I believe that I am correct when I say that most boat builders use materials that breathe in these situations (including the foam layer on the backside of the vinyl in an Amel).

        I suggest recovering the ceiling with a foam-backed vinyl from a "trusted source."

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        Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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        On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:17 AM Chip Beaman <chip@...> wrote:
        Thank you Bill, I have read and spoke to folks about the daunting task of headliner replacement. To do it right, replacing the headliner is the right thing to do, I guess, that’s what I am trying to find out. The current owner did a fantastic job covering it and I love the look of it. My great concern, is mold growth in areas of higher humidity. Mold mitigation strategies are a given, regardless of the current liner solution. I just don’t know if it is a bridge to far to expect normal processes to keep mold from growing between the old liner and the covering material (painted plywood)???????
        Thank you Sir for all you do.

        Chip
        Future Amel Owner






        A55: fresh water pump system

        Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...>
         

        Bill ,

        Being a newcomer to the Amel Yacht Owners Group I am not sure yet how to post a question and so I hope you don’t mind uf I address it to you.

        We have a lack of pressure in the two bathrooms and the fresh water pump runs continuously except when turned off on tbe 24v board.

        There seems to be plenty of pressure on the transom shower.

        Might there be a filter in the pump or a pressure switch at fault?

        Stuart
          

        Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


        Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


         Grove Park Studios,

        188-192 Sutton court Road,

        Chiswick,

        London,

        W4 3HR

         

        Telephone

        From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

        From the US  :    561 371 2321


        E . Studio@...

        W. www.groveparkstudios.co.uk.


        On 22 Feb 2020, at 11:50, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

        
        Chip,

        I normally say something like, "trust the original design." But, "trust" is what got us to this point. I think Henri Amel trusted the polyfoam manufacturers to deliver a good product to the vinyl covering manufacturer. And, I believe that Henri Amel trusted the polyfoam backing on the headliner to last a lot longer, but so did most automobile manufacturers at the same time period.

        I really do not have the kind of thermal engineering background to be sure that the following comments are 100% correct, but I believe they are: 
        An Amel is an unusually dry boat, however, one can change the original design and unintentionally create barriers that aid/cause moisture to form from condensation because of a difference in temperature. This is sometimes inadvertently done by modifying refrigeration or air conditioning, and I assume could be done by adding a non-breathing barrier to the ceiling where the outside temperature and inside temperature can merge to create condensation. I believe that I am correct when I say that most boat builders use materials that breathe in these situations (including the foam layer on the backside of the vinyl in an Amel).

        I suggest recovering the ceiling with a foam-backed vinyl from a "trusted source."

        CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
        Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
        View My Training Calendar
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        On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:17 AM Chip Beaman <chip@...> wrote:
        Thank you Bill, I have read and spoke to folks about the daunting task of headliner replacement. To do it right, replacing the headliner is the right thing to do, I guess, that’s what I am trying to find out. The current owner did a fantastic job covering it and I love the look of it. My great concern, is mold growth in areas of higher humidity. Mold mitigation strategies are a given, regardless of the current liner solution. I just don’t know if it is a bridge to far to expect normal processes to keep mold from growing between the old liner and the covering material (painted plywood)???????
        Thank you Sir for all you do.

        Chip
        Future Amel Owner






        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

        Matt Salatino
         

        The SSB radio transmitter ground is different from the antenna tuner ground. They should not be in common.

        ~~~⛵️~~~Matt

        On Feb 22, 2020, at 8:10 PM, James Lochhead <j_lochhead@...> wrote:

        Our ground for the SSB is connected to the tuner that is located as far aft on the starboard side of the boat as you can go.  I think we have had some modifications to our boat in this area but ours sits behind a removable panel.


        --

        James
        Maramu #147 (1984)

        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

        James Lochhead
         

        Our ground for the SSB is connected to the tuner that is located as far aft on the starboard side of the boat as you can go.  I think we have had some modifications to our boat in this area but ours sits behind a removable panel.


        --

        James
        Maramu #147 (1984)

        Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

        Jamie Wendell
         

        And Scott, one more thing. Thanks for that suggestion about having a backup 12-volt starting battery. I have never had a problem, but as they say, never say never.

        I might add that I will be trying to sell off my existing batteries, which are Firefly batteries. I installed them after my earlier 2016 battery compartment explosion, and they have been good. The problem I have found is that the voltage drops off and shuts down many of my critical systems (like refrigeration) and kills my pump.

        I probably have too much "stuff" to avoid that problem, and I also feel that it is critical that you equalize batteries in series to make 24 volts - I have been remiss there.
        And I do have solar panels (about 750 watts) and a wind generator.

        Anyone interested in 10 Fireflys?

        Jamie
        Phantom A54 #44

        Re: Converting my Amel 54 to lithium batteries: what I did, what I like and what I don't like (after one year of full time live aboard use)

        Jamie Wendell
         

        Scott, a lot of great comments and thanks for being so detailed. That really helps us all out here in Amel land - learn from other's mistakes (er. success I mean)?

        My approach is to do the breaker allocation thing as a test to see what runs and what doesn't before I "permanently" split the AC bus - just a matter of moving a few wires really, so no big deal.
        And you are right, I just read up on the Mastervolt USB issue, and I will be adding the converter as well, so that I can plug in my laptop to do the programming for the alternator.

        I just ordered all my parts through Battle Born - thanks to Bill Rouse for that assistance. My contractor and I are both going to be winners now!!

        Oh, and regarding the load issues, the good thing (to me) about having dual Multis is that I can always parallel them if I need the extra oomph. We shall see - all it would take is some bigger wires. Sounds easy, right?

        I will keep all informed as I get this Lithium deal installed and up and running.

        Best to you and Mia.
        Jamie
        Phantom A54 #44

        Maramu replacement autopilot drive motor

        Jacob Champness
         
        Edited

        Hi all.

        I had an old Sharp drive motor on my Raymarine autopilot on Maramu #42.  It fit nicely in the space just below the Morse control on the dash, but has finally died after many years.  I then ordered the standard Raymarine Type 2 drive motor but of course it’s too deep for the compartment by about an inch.  I briefly considered cutting a hole in the bulkhead so it would fit but then it will interfere with opening the cockpit seat locker on the port side. 


        Has anyone dealt with this?  What drive motor did you replace the Sharp with or how did you make the Raymarine unit fit?

        Thanks for any suggestions
        Jacob Champness
        Lark
        Maramu #42
        George Town, Bahamas

        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

        Alan Leslie
         

        Hi  Miles,

        If your boat is like ours, which I assume it is......

        On the skeg is a sintered bronze plate which is the ground for the SSB radio.
        The wire from that should end up in the nav station area and only be connected to the ground connection on the SSB..
        This cable often has BLU written on it.
        This cable is only connected to the bonding system if there is no SSB.
        If you have an SSB connected to this cable, there should not be a connection from this cable to the bonding system.

        The bonding system is all the wires from metal items in connection with seawater connected together and eventually connected to the rudder shaft which is connected to the anodes on the rudder.

        So if you don't have an SSB, it seems correct.
        If you do, it isn't.

        Cheers
        Alan

        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

        smiles bernard
         

        Thanks for your reply Kent
        Hmmm confused still.
        Which bit in the photos is the ssb grounding plate connection?

        I have 0 ohms when I test between the  copper strap In the transom locker and the rudder post connectors so assumed these are all bonding ?

        Thanks again

        Miles


        On 22 Feb 2020, at 21:21, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

        
        You are seeing the grounding plate)cables for the SSB counterpoise.  The copper strap in the bilge is the keel connection to the bonding system and zincs (assuming it is like the SM) which connects to the zincs via the rudder post.
        Kent
        SM 243
        Kristy

        On Feb 22, 2020 4:02 PM, "smiles bernard via Groups.Io" <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

        Hello folks

        I’m just in the process of replacing the keel bolt bonding strap on my 1985 Maramu.

        It’s led to some head scratching re bonding and grounding and the wiring runs on these lovely boats.

        SeaLove has a copper ground plate on the skeg. I assume my radar is grounded to this. Perhaps also my furuno weatherfax etc

        Can anyone be kind enough to explain where the connection to the ground plate typically surfaces?

        Also to check my assumptions re the bonding system setup. . . .
        I think  all bonding cables run onto a connection in the transom as per the photo attached



        It ‘looks’ like this copper plate is glasses into the hull and runs down the transom to surface near the rudder via the two tubes shown on the left in the photo below :


        For some reason this surfaces as 2 separate cables that then are both connected to the rudder stock, and hence the anode on the rudder :




        Does  this bonding setup look about right ?

        Slightly confused as to why there are 2 cables here ?


        Many thanks in advance

        Miles
        Maramu 162




        Re: Bonding and grounding on Maramu

        karkauai
         

        You are seeing the grounding plate)cables for the SSB counterpoise.  The copper strap in the bilge is the keel connection to the bonding system and zincs (assuming it is like the SM) which connects to the zincs via the rudder post.
        Kent
        SM 243
        Kristy

        On Feb 22, 2020 4:02 PM, "smiles bernard via Groups.Io" <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

        Hello folks

        I’m just in the process of replacing the keel bolt bonding strap on my 1985 Maramu.

        It’s led to some head scratching re bonding and grounding and the wiring runs on these lovely boats.

        SeaLove has a copper ground plate on the skeg. I assume my radar is grounded to this. Perhaps also my furuno weatherfax etc

        Can anyone be kind enough to explain where the connection to the ground plate typically surfaces?

        Also to check my assumptions re the bonding system setup. . . .
        I think  all bonding cables run onto a connection in the transom as per the photo attached



        It ‘looks’ like this copper plate is glasses into the hull and runs down the transom to surface near the rudder via the two tubes shown on the left in the photo below :


        For some reason this surfaces as 2 separate cables that then are both connected to the rudder stock, and hence the anode on the rudder :




        Does  this bonding setup look about right ?

        Slightly confused as to why there are 2 cables here ?


        Many thanks in advance

        Miles
        Maramu 162