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Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Patrick McAneny
 

Matt, I went with Gary at Manifest Marine in June,he has been very responsive. Could I ask which insurance co. he put you with ,and if you like the coverage or policy provisions . I am with Windsor Mount Joy , whom I have had my home owners policy with for years and the travel restrictions are tight.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans 


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

I’ve been using Gary, and his father, Al, before him, for years. Elliot is the 3rd generation in the business.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

JB,

If I were insuring in today's environment, I would be tempted to buy liability insurance and sell-insure for all other damages. If this appeals to you there is a broker I trust in the business who will write liability only insurance. Gary and his son, Elliott, write marine policies worldwide:
Gary Golden & Elliott Golden
Manifest Marine
604 Stonewall Lane
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22407 USA
Gary@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:
Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Matt Salatino
 

I’ve been using Gary, and his father, Al, before him, for years. Elliot is the 3rd generation in the business.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

JB,

If I were insuring in today's environment, I would be tempted to buy liability insurance and sell-insure for all other damages. If this appeals to you there is a broker I trust in the business who will write liability only insurance. Gary and his son, Elliott, write marine policies worldwide:
Gary Golden & Elliott Golden
Manifest Marine
604 Stonewall Lane
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22407 USA
Gary@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:
Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Courtney Gorman
 

yes


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 11:10 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.
Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:
image.png

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.
image.png

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.
image.png

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

Thanks, 

Bill
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

eric freedman
 

Hi Jeff,

At the mud hole and at the edge of the canyon we always run into the draggers. I call their moves a crazy Ivan like in the Russian subs. The long lines are also something to look out for. One time I came across a line of high flyers and they lined up exactly with the rings on my radar. Quite a coincidence.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Just a quick note regarding my use of the propane heater.
It wasn't left on for an extended period of time, I only had the screw on little canister, so it was used sparingly. It was brought for just such emergency use.
Unfortunately, the propane switch in the propane locker had failed, so the stove wasn't an option.
Perhaps we shouldn't use the stove aboard either, considering it too runs on propane.
Making the solo run, and north of the gulf stream within 75 miles of the coast, boat and ship traffic is very active, and it gets cold at night. It was November.  From the entrance of Delaware Bay , north across the Fairways leading into NY harbor it was extremely active. I made that crossing at night. There were a bunch of draggers working the "mud hole", which is just off the harbor entrance, complicating the crossing. They haul back, turn, and go the other way indiscriminantly. Ask me how I know that. If you think I was down below long enough to drop dead of carbon monoxide poisoning you are mistaken. I was lucky to come down and light the stove and warm up for an hour.

Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14


Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.
Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:
image.png

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.
image.png

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.
image.png

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

Thanks, 

Bill
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Patrick McAneny
 

JB, 
 We live on the Sassafras River off the northern end of the Chesapeake Bay ,on the Eastern Shore of Maryland ,40 F. 13 kts  NW off the river at present , a bit cold. The C&D canal entrance is about miles from us .
 I realize Pantaenius is a broker ,I was well served by them and was sorry to lose my coverage thru them. 
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 9:51 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med





Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Mark Garver
 

Welcome aboard! I am sure you will find this group to be an incredible source of information and inspiration.

Mark and Jennifer Garver
S/V It’s Good
SM #105

On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:

Wow!! The bar keeps going up!!

Welcome Anke and Martin

Roque
Attika A54 #117
Paraty Brazil



Em ter., 8 de dez. de 2020 às 12:02, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> escreveu:
A very cordial welcome to Anke and Martin. 

I hope you enjoy our group as much as we do.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:08 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Welcome, Martin and Anke,

 We spent three years in Chile on Pen Azen including two seasons ( 2003 and 2005) in and around the Beagle Channel and also got to know Mariolina and Giorgio and their wonderful cruising guide ( we even feature with a small entry in their second edition ).

 Very envious of your going back! An Amel is the perfect boat for those waters.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io<main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...>
Sent: 08 December 2020 12:33
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io<main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] It´s time to introduce ourselves.
 
It´s time to introduce ourselves.
We are Anke and Martin Birkhoff from Worpswede in Germany. Homeport of our Amel is Bremen, Germany.
We started our sailing careers in 1978 (Anke) and (1985) Martin. Since 1998 we spent our time sailing SV “Just do it” a bilge keel 39 feet Reinke Super 11. This is a double chine aluminum design of German engineer Kurt Reinke. Sailing areas have been Baltic Ocean and North Sea. From 2004 to 2009 we made a circumnavigation including Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Here it happened after meeting Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi and their Amel "Saudade III" in Ushuaia that we decided if we ever would buy a GRP design it has to be an Amel.
In 2016 we changed to our 54 Mago del Sur (ex Bronwyn owned by Robin Griffith who did a circumnavigation with her from 2011 to 2013). During the last years she got a refit and now she is ready to start milemunching again. Ok, there are still one or two repairs to be done ...
Anke and I are landscape architects. She is civil servant in the Government of Bremen, I Martin had run my own company for environmental impact studies and landscape architecture.
We plan to sail the Med in 2021 and leave for Caribean waters end of the year. Than continuing through the Panama Chanal and heading South to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego again. To be continued …
Martin
SV Mago del Sur – 54#40






Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Roque
 

Wow!! The bar keeps going up!!

Welcome Anke and Martin

Roque
Attika A54 #117
Paraty Brazil



Em ter., 8 de dez. de 2020 às 12:02, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> escreveu:

A very cordial welcome to Anke and Martin. 

I hope you enjoy our group as much as we do.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:08 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Welcome, Martin and Anke,

 We spent three years in Chile on Pen Azen including two seasons ( 2003 and 2005) in and around the Beagle Channel and also got to know Mariolina and Giorgio and their wonderful cruising guide ( we even feature with a small entry in their second edition ).

 Very envious of your going back! An Amel is the perfect boat for those waters.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...>
Sent: 08 December 2020 12:33
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] It´s time to introduce ourselves.
 

It´s time to introduce ourselves.
We are Anke and Martin Birkhoff from Worpswede in Germany. Homeport of our Amel is Bremen, Germany.

We started our sailing careers in 1978 (Anke) and (1985) Martin. Since 1998 we spent our time sailing SV “Just do it” a bilge keel 39 feet Reinke Super 11. This is a double chine aluminum design of German engineer Kurt Reinke. Sailing areas have been Baltic Ocean and North Sea. From 2004 to 2009 we made a circumnavigation including Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Here it happened after meeting Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi and their Amel "Saudade III" in Ushuaia that we decided if we ever would buy a GRP design it has to be an Amel.

In 2016 we changed to our 54 Mago del Sur (ex Bronwyn owned by Robin Griffith who did a circumnavigation with her from 2011 to 2013). During the last years she got a refit and now she is ready to start milemunching again. Ok, there are still one or two repairs to be done ...

Anke and I are landscape architects. She is civil servant in the Government of Bremen, I Martin had run my own company for environmental impact studies and landscape architecture.

We plan to sail the Med in 2021 and leave for Caribean waters end of the year. Than continuing through the Panama Chanal and heading South to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego again. To be continued …

Martin

SV Mago del Sur – 54#40


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

 

JB,

If I were insuring in today's environment, I would be tempted to buy liability insurance and sell-insure for all other damages. If this appeals to you there is a broker I trust in the business who will write liability only insurance. Gary and his son, Elliott, write marine policies worldwide:
Gary Golden & Elliott Golden
Manifest Marine
604 Stonewall Lane
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22407 USA
Gary@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:
Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






Re: Heater and fuel bladder

JB Duler
 

Please, please don't play with propane!!!!
Up in the California Sierras where we have our winter cabin, every
year we get one or two people who die in their van from bad stoves.
The typical story is that the snow is blowing, sometimes blocking the
exhaust or pushing bad air under the door where it finds its way
inside (because in this case the doors are not sealed well or there
are holes for wires in the chassis).
In our van we installed a very simple regular Airtronic D2 made by the
German company espar. We bought it online with heatso in the UK. The
Sprinter has something set up to get your fuel supply directly into
our diesel tank. You can do the same thing directly from the diesel
line next to the Raccor filters. Fresh air in (inlet in the cockpit in
a sheltered place), warm air out and exhaust away from that (outside
the hull). It is super efficient, powerful, takes hours to install,
and can easily heat the whole boat. If you want to heat the driver
area, super easy, you add a Y connector and a duct. Very, very
powerful.
If you are a solo navigator, just put the controls near the wheel.
At 2.200 m altitude we go from 20F to 75F in 15 minutes.
Even if you don't die, bad fumes will cause nausea and headaches (I am
not an MD).
Cheers,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:42 AM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@optonline.net> wrote:

Just a quick note regarding my use of the propane heater.
It wasn't left on for an extended period of time, I only had the screw on little canister, so it was used sparingly. It was brought for just such emergency use.
Unfortunately, the propane switch in the propane locker had failed, so the stove wasn't an option.
Perhaps we shouldn't use the stove aboard either, considering it too runs on propane.
Making the solo run, and north of the gulf stream within 75 miles of the coast, boat and ship traffic is very active, and it gets cold at night. It was November. From the entrance of Delaware Bay , north across the Fairways leading into NY harbor it was extremely active. I made that crossing at night. There were a bunch of draggers working the "mud hole", which is just off the harbor entrance, complicating the crossing. They haul back, turn, and go the other way indiscriminantly. Ask me how I know that. If you think I was down below long enough to drop dead of carbon monoxide poisoning you are mistaken. I was lucky to come down and light the stove and warm up for an hour.

Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14


--
John-Bernard Duler
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

 

A very cordial welcome to Anke and Martin. 

I hope you enjoy our group as much as we do.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:08 AM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Welcome, Martin and Anke,

 We spent three years in Chile on Pen Azen including two seasons ( 2003 and 2005) in and around the Beagle Channel and also got to know Mariolina and Giorgio and their wonderful cruising guide ( we even feature with a small entry in their second edition ).

 Very envious of your going back! An Amel is the perfect boat for those waters.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...>
Sent: 08 December 2020 12:33
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] It´s time to introduce ourselves.
 

It´s time to introduce ourselves.
We are Anke and Martin Birkhoff from Worpswede in Germany. Homeport of our Amel is Bremen, Germany.

We started our sailing careers in 1978 (Anke) and (1985) Martin. Since 1998 we spent our time sailing SV “Just do it” a bilge keel 39 feet Reinke Super 11. This is a double chine aluminum design of German engineer Kurt Reinke. Sailing areas have been Baltic Ocean and North Sea. From 2004 to 2009 we made a circumnavigation including Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Here it happened after meeting Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi and their Amel "Saudade III" in Ushuaia that we decided if we ever would buy a GRP design it has to be an Amel.

In 2016 we changed to our 54 Mago del Sur (ex Bronwyn owned by Robin Griffith who did a circumnavigation with her from 2011 to 2013). During the last years she got a refit and now she is ready to start milemunching again. Ok, there are still one or two repairs to be done ...

Anke and I are landscape architects. She is civil servant in the Government of Bremen, I Martin had run my own company for environmental impact studies and landscape architecture.

We plan to sail the Med in 2021 and leave for Caribean waters end of the year. Than continuing through the Panama Chanal and heading South to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego again. To be continued …

Martin

SV Mago del Sur – 54#40


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

JB Duler
 

Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

John,
Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
Welcome to the group,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
here is a link below;

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235


-----Original Message-----
From: JB Duler <jbduler@gmail.com>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Hello all,

I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.

I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.

On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.

I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).

I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?

I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Patrick McAneny
 

John,
 Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
 I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc. 
Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
Welcome to the group,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
here is a link below;

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235


-----Original Message-----
From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Hello all,

I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.

I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.

On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.

I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).

I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?

I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Welcome, Martin and Anke,

 We spent three years in Chile on Pen Azen including two seasons ( 2003 and 2005) in and around the Beagle Channel and also got to know Mariolina and Giorgio and their wonderful cruising guide ( we even feature with a small entry in their second edition ).

 Very envious of your going back! An Amel is the perfect boat for those waters.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece
 


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...>
Sent: 08 December 2020 12:33
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] It´s time to introduce ourselves.
 

It´s time to introduce ourselves.
We are Anke and Martin Birkhoff from Worpswede in Germany. Homeport of our Amel is Bremen, Germany.

We started our sailing careers in 1978 (Anke) and (1985) Martin. Since 1998 we spent our time sailing SV “Just do it” a bilge keel 39 feet Reinke Super 11. This is a double chine aluminum design of German engineer Kurt Reinke. Sailing areas have been Baltic Ocean and North Sea. From 2004 to 2009 we made a circumnavigation including Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Here it happened after meeting Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi and their Amel "Saudade III" in Ushuaia that we decided if we ever would buy a GRP design it has to be an Amel.

In 2016 we changed to our 54 Mago del Sur (ex Bronwyn owned by Robin Griffith who did a circumnavigation with her from 2011 to 2013). During the last years she got a refit and now she is ready to start milemunching again. Ok, there are still one or two repairs to be done ...

Anke and I are landscape architects. She is civil servant in the Government of Bremen, I Martin had run my own company for environmental impact studies and landscape architecture.

We plan to sail the Med in 2021 and leave for Caribean waters end of the year. Than continuing through the Panama Chanal and heading South to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego again. To be continued …

Martin

SV Mago del Sur – 54#40


Re: A55 , # 9

Billy Newport
 

I'm in the process of adding more MV also. I switched my Victron 35A MPPT to a SCM60 during the week and added an Easyview 5 above the AC panel in the galley. I replaced the 675A fuse/holder under the nav seat with a MV shunt and put the 675A fuse in the shunt instead of the original fuse holder I removed. I will finish this weekend by connecting the Alpha pro II to both my chargers 100A and 60A, then the Easyview and then the SCM60 then the shunt. At least thats the plan anyway. I will also add a MV NMEA bridge so I can get data out of MV to store on my logging device which I have everything else besides MV being logged to right now (NMEA, Volvo data, gen data, various 433Mhz temp sensors around the boat on compressors, rooms etc).


It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Martin Birkhoff
 

It´s time to introduce ourselves.
We are Anke and Martin Birkhoff from Worpswede in Germany. Homeport of our Amel is Bremen, Germany.

We started our sailing careers in 1978 (Anke) and (1985) Martin. Since 1998 we spent our time sailing SV “Just do it” a bilge keel 39 feet Reinke Super 11. This is a double chine aluminum design of German engineer Kurt Reinke. Sailing areas have been Baltic Ocean and North Sea. From 2004 to 2009 we made a circumnavigation including Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Here it happened after meeting Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi and their Amel "Saudade III" in Ushuaia that we decided if we ever would buy a GRP design it has to be an Amel.

In 2016 we changed to our 54 Mago del Sur (ex Bronwyn owned by Robin Griffith who did a circumnavigation with her from 2011 to 2013). During the last years she got a refit and now she is ready to start milemunching again. Ok, there are still one or two repairs to be done ...

Anke and I are landscape architects. She is civil servant in the Government of Bremen, I Martin had run my own company for environmental impact studies and landscape architecture.

We plan to sail the Med in 2021 and leave for Caribean waters end of the year. Than continuing through the Panama Chanal and heading South to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego again. To be continued …

Martin

SV Mago del Sur – 54#40


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Just a quick note regarding my use of the propane heater.
It wasn't left on for an extended period of time, I only had the screw on little canister, so it was used sparingly. It was brought for just such emergency use.
Unfortunately, the propane switch in the propane locker had failed, so the stove wasn't an option.
Perhaps we shouldn't use the stove aboard either, considering it too runs on propane.
Making the solo run, and north of the gulf stream within 75 miles of the coast, boat and ship traffic is very active, and it gets cold at night. It was November.  From the entrance of Delaware Bay , north across the Fairways leading into NY harbor it was extremely active. I made that crossing at night. There were a bunch of draggers working the "mud hole", which is just off the harbor entrance, complicating the crossing. They haul back, turn, and go the other way indiscriminantly. Ask me how I know that. If you think I was down below long enough to drop dead of carbon monoxide poisoning you are mistaken. I was lucky to come down and light the stove and warm up for an hour.

Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14


Mastervolt on 54 goes Lithium

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Hi Arno,
Great informations,  thank you very much.
1. They only sell now the mastervolt alpha pro 3
2. I will put a fuse 500A in the MV shunt 500. I will not use the MV fuse (85€) but a flat fuse for 13€.
3.our Amel had not the optional inverter,so when adding the MV ultra combi I put it on the place of the MV chargemaster 100A to keep work for installation simple.It is easy to bring 220V near to the batteries.
4.yes the MV lithium is great and with bus-system unique on the market. But the costs are very high.
5.there is a nice youtube video made by a young independent man who tested the batteries, cut them in pieces and gives comments. 
6.I will take the 24v batteries and bring them in parallel in 3 or 4 groups to the electric connection point in the batterycompartment-  but all this I will decide when hopefully be back on the boat.
And I will ask these point the people from Battle born.
I have send a mail to a premium  MV service, but did receive an answer to my thoughts and questions.

I wish you all a safe and happy Christmas time, stay healthy. 

Wolfgang Weber ( in Germany) SY Elise Amel 54 #162(Fort Lauderdale) 






Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Roque
 

Welcome JB!

If you brouse this Forum you will find a thread where self-insurance was  discussed for a while.

Enjoy your Amel

Roque
Attika A54
Paraty- Brazil 


Em ter., 8 de dez. de 2020 às 05:30, David Crisp <david@...> escreveu:

Welcome to the community John,

You have stirred up happy memories of when I lived in Tiburon and raced out of Tiburon Yacht Club on a J105.  Now living back in the UK but cruising on my Amel 54 in the Med in the summer.  I'm currently based near Toulon but heading to Greece in the Spring, hope we get to cross paths and share stories over a beer.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

David Crisp
 

Welcome to the community John,

You have stirred up happy memories of when I lived in Tiburon and raced out of Tiburon Yacht Club on a J105.  Now living back in the UK but cruising on my Amel 54 in the Med in the summer.  I'm currently based near Toulon but heading to Greece in the Spring, hope we get to cross paths and share stories over a beer.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58

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