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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Barry Connor
 

Hello Jeff,
I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things.
I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day.
My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp.
I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design.
Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat.

Hope this helps you.
Best Regards

Barry and Penelope
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 # 17
Marina di Ragusa
Sicily

On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity gives me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Pat,

Velox worked great for me for 1 year.
But here in San Juan, it doesn't work... I don't think anything would work here.
All my neighbors (and myself) have to clean the hull and propeller every 2 weeks.

Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Fri, 10/28/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 28, 2016, 1:45 PM


 










Bill, If you say Velox is good , than I
believe it to be true. Velox never responded to me ,when I
asked this question,maybe you know. Is Velox not to be used
in fresh water? I know some bottom paints should not be used
in anything but salt water. I followed the instructions and
my prop was covered with barnacles in three months.

Thanks,

Pat SM#123







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Message-----

From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 8:55 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint










 















Only use AGM's if your battery chargers,
including high-amp engine-mounted alternator can be set for
AGM charging. If you do not set the charges for AGM charging
the AGM will work, but you probably will not get the life
that you planned. I would use a normal wet cell for the
engine start and fit the highest amp battery that will
fit...there is more space for the engine start than a Group
31.




I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The
best has been Velox and if you use a black bag over the
prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes washing soap
to the bag.





Bill

BeBe 387





On Fri, Oct 28, 2016
at 6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

















 













Good morning Jeff,





Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM
batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for
AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries.


(Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM).





I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for
1 year, I will use it again.





Sincerely, Alexandre


SM2K #289 NIKIMAT


Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico





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On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:





Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com


Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM








 





























My battery bank needs replacement.


Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been
discussed


before, and is redundant.Anyone have


issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement
in


remote areas?I can  get 31M-AGM7


batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC


(repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes
to


the RC for $250, with 36 mo


warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded


wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC


(for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the
battery


can have a 25 amp draw before going


dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise


for good reason, I'll spend the extra $.


Thoughts?My good friend Eric


(Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using


Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The


issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has


been discussed ad nauseum on the site.


With that said, I question the value of


a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is


regular cleaning .Unless that is


possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it
would


offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give
some


protection.Eric commented to me he got 6


months out of an application.Anyone have


any experience with it or


insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks


for the furler


responsesJeffSpirit


Amel 54 #14












































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

I said, "I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox." I did not say Velox worked in all situations. I said of the things I have used which are listed and rated in order:
  1. Velox
  2. A knock-off of PropSpeed in New Zealand
  3. International Propeller paint
  4. PropSpeed
  5. Nothing
I believe the biggest variable is where you are and how often you move. Some places are infested with prolific barnacles. Sometimes running the motor will spin-off fresh barnacles. Some anchorages have none and most marinas have a lot because of boats neglected with a coating of barnacles.

When we were stationary for the winter in the Med, I used the black plastic bag three times. It worked for me when adjacent boats did not use a bag and had a lot of barnacles. I used powdered clothes washing detergent because a French Amel owner advised it. He said that they would not grow in water with detergent.

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, If you say Velox is good , than I believe it to be true. Velox never responded to me ,when I asked this question,maybe you know. Is Velox not to be used in fresh water? I know some bottom paints should not be used in anything but salt water. I followed the instructions and my prop was covered with barnacles in three months.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

 
Only use AGM's if your battery chargers, including high-amp engine-mounted alternator can be set for AGM charging. If you do not set the charges for AGM charging the AGM will work, but you probably will not get the life that you planned. I would use a normal wet cell for the engine start and fit the highest amp battery that will fit...there is more space for the engine start than a Group 31.

I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox and if you use a black bag over the prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes washing soap to the bag.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Good morning Jeff,

Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries.
(Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM).

I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for 1 year, I will use it again.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM



 









My battery bank needs replacement.
Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed
before, and is redundant.Anyone have
issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in
remote areas?I can  get 31M-AGM7
batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC
(repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to
the RC for $250, with 36 mo
warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded
wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC
(for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery
can have a 25 amp draw before going
dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise
for good reason, I'll spend the extra $.
Thoughts?My good friend Eric
(Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using
Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The
issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has
been discussed ad nauseum on the site.
With that said, I question the value of
a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is
regular cleaning .Unless that is
possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would
offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some
protection.Eric commented to me he got 6
months out of an application.Anyone have
any experience with it or
insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks
for the furler
responsesJeffSpirit
Amel 54 #14














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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, If you say Velox is good , than I believe it to be true. Velox never responded to me ,when I asked this question,maybe you know. Is Velox not to be used in fresh water? I know some bottom paints should not be used in anything but salt water. I followed the instructions and my prop was covered with barnacles in three months.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

 
Only use AGM's if your battery chargers, including high-amp engine-mounted alternator can be set for AGM charging. If you do not set the charges for AGM charging the AGM will work, but you probably will not get the life that you planned. I would use a normal wet cell for the engine start and fit the highest amp battery that will fit...there is more space for the engine start than a Group 31.

I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox and if you use a black bag over the prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes washing soap to the bag.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Good morning Jeff,

Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries.
(Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM).

I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for 1 year, I will use it again.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM


 









My battery bank needs replacement.
Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed
before, and is redundant.Anyone have
issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in
remote areas?I can  get 31M-AGM7
batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC
(repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to
the RC for $250, with 36 mo
warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded
wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC
(for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery
can have a 25 amp draw before going
dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise
for good reason, I'll spend the extra $.
Thoughts?My good friend Eric
(Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using
Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The
issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has
been discussed ad nauseum on the site.
With that said, I question the value of
a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is
regular cleaning .Unless that is
possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would
offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some
protection.Eric commented to me he got 6
months out of an application.Anyone have
any experience with it or
insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks
for the furler
responsesJeffSpirit
Amel 54 #14














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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hookah

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Kent,

 

Good to know you are being safe.

 

I also use a 60’ hookah hose. But I use dive tanks for the air supply. We have a Bauer dive compressor aboard and can refill our own tanks.

 

We also use the hookah hose so we can leave our tanks in the dinghy when diving. The great thing about this is the dinghy is always above us (with a dive flag) and when we are done we don’t have to worry about finding the boat.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hookah

 

 

It's an oil less compressor, Mark, inline filter, and hose is safe.  I got the info from a professional diver who, among other things like salvage, cleans boat bottoms.  It's what he uses.

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hookah

karkauai
 

It's an oil less compressor, Mark, inline filter, and hose is safe.  I got the info from a professional diver who, among other things like salvage, cleans boat bottoms.  It's what he uses.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fl haul out

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Yes Joel they are the largest inFla and maybe to U S regard size and capacity. Lifting up to 300 tons and lots of dry storage. Great location they also use the name LMC. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 27, 2016, at 09:52, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Capt Richard. I have been fortunate to live and/or work in Fort Lauderdale for 36 years but I have never come across Lauderdale Marine Corp. Could you be referring to Lauderdale Marine Center?

 

Joel

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:42 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fl haul out

 

 

Hi Pat if your looking for a good safe haul out with storage we just spent and few weeks at Lauderdale Marine Corp up the New River. They are a great firm with all kinds of services and security.  

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 

Capt Richard Piller

Newport RI 

Cell 603 767 5330


On Oct 26, 2016, at 17:05, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane, I am thinking about taking my boat to Fla.,this winter, however I would need to haul it and leave for awhile. Could you tell me a marina in Fernandina that would be good to haul the boat or leave in a slip for a month or two.

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Oct 26, 2016 3:03 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Panama

 

Kent, sorry to hear about the eye surgery.  You've really made some miles since then so you are coping admirably.  Peg and I are heading to Tiger Point Marina in Fernandina Beach for a haul-out and paint.  We may be stopping in Ft. Lauderdale to have an inverter installed.

 

All the best,

Duane & Peg

Wanderer, SM477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs  
    There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Richard,
Yes, I was aware of that. In checking on the dolphin chargers aboard the only literature provided was an installation manual, and it's in French (very helpful....not). I took a look at the units themselves, and there appears to be no visible means to make any adjustments to the unit to account for any different means of operation. That being the case, I sent a message to dolphin requesting a manual for use, and some information regarding anything needed to change on the charger (if it's possible at all) to be compatible with the charging of the AGM batteries.
The AGM batteries I'm considering have a significantly higher capacity to produce energy then the flooded wet cell batteries.
FWC 195 RC
AGM 190 + 400 RRC, so in effect, the 400RRC capacity gives me quite a bit more ability to produce current to my systems w/o need of charging.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14  


On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 08:17 AM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,
What does the washing detergent does?

Jeff,
The problem is not the battery charger, but your engine alternator.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 10/28/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 28, 2016, 6:15 AM


 









Only use AGM's if your
battery chargers, including high-amp engine-mounted
alternator can be set for AGM charging. If you do not set
the charges for AGM charging the AGM will work, but you
probably will not get the life that you planned. I would use
a normal wet cell for the engine start and fit the highest
amp battery that will fit...there is more space for the
engine start than a Group 31.
I have used lots of different ideas
on the prop. The best has been Velox and if you use a black
bag over the prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes
washing soap to the bag.
BillBeBe
387
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at
6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Good morning Jeff,



Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM
batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for
AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries.

(Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM).



I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for
1 year, I will use it again.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM





 



















My battery bank needs replacement.

Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been
discussed

before, and is redundant.Anyone have

issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement
in

remote areas?I can  get 31M-AGM7

batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC

(repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes
to

the RC for $250, with 36 mo

warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded

wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC

(for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the
battery

can have a 25 amp draw before going

dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise

for good reason, I'll spend the extra $.

Thoughts?My good friend Eric

(Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using

Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The

issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has

been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of

a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is

regular cleaning .Unless that is

possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it
would

offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give
some

protection.Eric commented to me he got 6

months out of an application.Anyone have

any experience with it or

insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks

for the furler

responsesJeffSpirit

Amel 54 #14





























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


hookah

Mark Erdos
 

My 2 cents: Extreme care should be taken with hookah systems. Inhaling air from a compressor not intended or specifically designed for breathing is a bad idea. Bacteria, oils and foreign particles from inside the compressor can cause serious upper respiratory issues.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Keep in mind that the AGM batteries have a different charge requirement then flooded ones. Second when out in the world you most likely will not find AGM replacement units. 
Just a thought but if flooded batteries last 5-6 years how much long do AGM ones last and are they worth trice the price. ??

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 27, 2016, at 19:12, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.

Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?

I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.

Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.

RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.

Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?

My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.

The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site.

With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .

Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.

Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.

Anyone have any experience with it or insight?

Thanks,

BTW...thanks for the furler responses

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Patrick McAneny
 

Jeff , I used Velox this spring , three months later my prop was covered in barnacles. I contacted the company and got no response. I was in fresh water, perhaps it is not meant to be used in fresh water , however that was not mentioned on the can. I scraped off the barnacle and sprayed on a couple of coats of Pettit.
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2016 7:12 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

 
My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.
Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?
I can  get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.
Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.
RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.
Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?
My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.
The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nause um on the site.
With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .
Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.
Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.
Anyone have any experience with it or insight?
Thanks,
BTW...thanks for the furler responses
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furleer 54

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Only use AGM's if your battery chargers, including high-amp engine-mounted alternator can be set for AGM charging. If you do not set the charges for AGM charging the AGM will work, but you probably will not get the life that you planned. I would use a normal wet cell for the engine start and fit the highest amp battery that will fit...there is more space for the engine start than a Group 31.

I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox and if you use a black bag over the prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes washing soap to the bag.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Jeff,

Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries.
(Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM).

I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for 1 year, I will use it again.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM


 









My battery bank needs replacement.
Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed
before, and is redundant.Anyone have
issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in
remote areas?I can  get 31M-AGM7
batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC
(repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to
the RC for $250, with 36 mo
warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded
wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC
(for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery
can have a 25 amp draw before going
dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise
for good reason, I'll spend the extra $.
Thoughts?My good friend Eric
(Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using
Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The
issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has
been discussed ad nauseum on the site.
With that said, I question the value of
a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is
regular cleaning .Unless that is
possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would
offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some
protection.Eric commented to me he got 6
months out of an application.Anyone have
any experience with it or
insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks
for the furler
responsesJeffSpirit
Amel 54 #14














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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Jeff,

Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries.
(Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM).

I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for 1 year, I will use it again.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM


 









My battery bank needs replacement.
Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed
before, and is redundant.Anyone have
issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in
remote areas?I can  get 31M-AGM7
batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC
(repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to
the RC for $250, with 36 mo
warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded
wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC
(for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery
can have a 25 amp draw before going
dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise
for good reason, I'll spend the extra $.
Thoughts?My good friend Eric
(Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using
Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The
issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has
been discussed ad nauseum on the site.
With that said, I question the value of
a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is
regular cleaning .Unless that is
possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would
offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some
protection.Eric commented to me he got 6
months out of an application.Anyone have
any experience with it or
insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks
for the furler
responsesJeffSpirit
Amel 54 #14














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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint

karkauai
 

I can't comment on the Velox, but  two things come to mind.
If you leave your boat in the water for any length of time, the black plastic bags trick Joel taught us really works!  I was gone 10 weeks with my eye problem, and when I removed the bags there was only a light whitish discoloration that came off easily with a wire brush.  Try it!

I built my own hookah system with a $69 (on sale) pancake-style compressor from Harbor Freight (big box store in the US) and a rebuilt second stage SCUBA regulator for $55.  I've used it three times to clean the bottom & prop, change the zincs, or remove a mile or so of fishing line from around the propshaft.  Works a treat!  Highly recommended for all boats.  I have a 50 ft hose that would reach a fouled anchor in 35ft of water or more.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy, SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mainsail furleer 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Bill;

No, our solenoids did not fail. I was placing an order with Amel and thought having a spare would be wise. 

Jeff, the issue we had was with our mainsail furler. Pulling into Datcha Turkey, I believe, in a 25 knot breeze, the furler would not furl the main. I had to disengage and manually furl. The removal of the furler motor is a fairly straight forward process. After removing  the bolts that hold the furler to the mast, the wires can be fished through the mast after the wires have been disconnected from the relays in the forward port side cabin locker. In our case, water poured out of the motor when we removed it. I sent the motor back to Riza at Emek and he said that it was toast and a new one was ordered. The installation was also straight forward and it has been working fine since. One important note, in talking with Maud at Amel, she mentioned that there is a seal at the top of this furler motor that needs to be replaced every two years. This, I believe, was not know and therefore never done by the previous owner and led to the water intrusion and failure of the motor. I have ordered spare seals from Amel and have placed the seal replacement as a part of the maintenance procedures.

Our head sail furlers are Bamar belt driven. They were both bad, again mainly due to water intrusion from the top seal, according to the bamar repair tech in Turkey, and had to be re-built. All gears, bearings and belts replaced. We are extremely gentle on the Genoa furler and it has been working and sounding fine. I did make several attempts to contact Bamar regarding their Amel offer letter . I never received a response, despite the fact that receipts of the e-mails were acknowledged. I do not know why and cannot speculate.

Let me know if I can be of any additional help.


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099