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Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Kent,

I think this has been done before by an Amel in Scandinavia, with success. Not sure who??

 It would be easy to try it with some flexible ducting pipe run from the outlet, over the cockpit combing and into the tented cockpit. For sure it would work as a heater. Then if successful plumb it in properly.
I have not found much dirt around the existing outlet but I guess it would smell a bit engine roomy, and of course there is the Amel bilge...on a positive note a weekly wash down of the engine room with bucket of hot soapy water, stiff brush and an aquavac is a good discipline anyway...maybe add a filter like on a cooker hood extractor?

On the subject of heating. I was thinking of installing a mini heated towel rail in the aft cabin head. The idea was to plum it into the hot water from the engine. Only need to drill two 15mm holes in the bulkhead with towel rail directly hanging the other side. The pipe would be copper or stainless. There could be a simple diverter valve in the engine domestic hot water circuit so the flow would come from the hot water tank return and the return would (have either a one way valve or just an on off) go back to the engine. In hot countries the towel rail would be out of the circuit and thus off. I have not got around to this, but in cold climates it would be really great. There could also  be a 220v  heating element so with either the engine or the generator or shore power there would be heat.
Problems ?
It would have to be custom made.
Maybe it would get too hot, like 80 centigrade.....I know the hot water can get scalding hot after a motor!

Nick, 
(back in U.K. in hospital after knee replacement. Hoping to be ready to sail by March.)

S/V Amelia 
AML 54 Leros Gr.


On 8 Dec 2020, at 01:21, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

Brent Cameron
 

Kent, I remember one of the beautiful Amel 54’s (Tinto IV) that I looked at very closely had done a circumnaviation of Norway, Sweden, Finland (through the Russian canals) and the owner (Bengt Martinson)  had rigged a similar setup as they were sailing well north of the Arctic circle.  Here is a picture I had found on Facebook explaining what he did…   he said it consisted of a plastic 90 degree elbow and 150 cm of flexible ventilation hose attached to the existing vent.  He said it kept the enclosure nice and toasty as long as they were motor sailing and gave off absolutely no smell (although I can attest that the engine room on Tinto IV was spotless).  Bengt has since sold Tinto IV to another lucky buyer so not sure he is still watching these pages or not.  

 

Brent

On Dec 7, 2020, 11:43 PM -0500, Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts@...>, wrote:
Seems like a great idea Kent. 
Go for it!  

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:21 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243

--
Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Yes there are but increasingly they are being recognized as being dangerous. In older homes that were less airtight, not as bad. But in the modern home with the modern attitude of shut everything up, very dangerous. It is all about volume. In a home with the internal doors open there is a reasonable volume. One room with doors and windows tight shut, very different.

Take care good friends.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 08 December 2020 at 09:49 "Matt Salatino via groups.io" <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

There are indoor propane heaters. I believe they recommend leaving a window cracked 

~~~ ⛵️~~~ Matt

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

There was a very sad case in New Zealand a few years back. It was four guys out on a mountain hunting trip. One night they were in a mountain hut and it was very cold so they brought the gas barbecue inside and left it running all night. In the morning three were dead and the survivor had his nose close to the gap under the door. Carbon monoxide is the killer I believe, odorless and the effects are insidious.

In the past on a previous boat I used the gas stove to warm us at 2 am after a race, but not any more

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 08 December 2020 at 07:14 eric freedman < kimberlite@...> wrote:

Peter,

I used the stove. The same one we cook on.  I seemed to have survived the use as a heater as I ran it for 1 ½ days

years ago before installing the Espar Heater.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Luke via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2
3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2
4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY

 



 


 


 


 


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

Porter McRoberts
 

Seems like a great idea Kent. 
Go for it!  

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:21 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Welcome to the group and family John, and congrats on your new Amel. Having sailed Southern California, before our now 6 seasons in the Med, you are in for a treat.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of JB Duler via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 6:38 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

 

Hello all,

I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.

I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.

On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.

I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).

I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?

I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

JB Duler
 

Hello all,

I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.

I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.

On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.

I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).

I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?

I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

karkauai
 

Has anyone routed the engine room vent exhaust (not the engine exhaust) into the cockpit for warmth?  There shouldn't be any carbon monoxide in it, but might have a little oil or diesel, ir bilge smell depending on how clean the engine room is. Seems like it would be an easy solution and produce a lot if heat. Might even warm the salon a bit.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: A55 , # 9

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Wolfgang,

Some observations from me about your plans. I own an 54 as well.
I extended the mastervolt installation substantially this year and I’m planning some more changes.
First of all you do not need the AphaPro III, the II is exactly the same and suits the MV 110A alternator fine. The difference between the II and the III is only the maximum field current it can supply.
Second, you can put the Mastervolt Shunt directly at the batteries, the bowthruster does not damage it.
In our boat I have two chargemasters and a Mass Combi all next to each other in the engine compartment, the Combi sits in the place of the original Mass Inverter.
 
How are you planning to connect the Battle Born batteries to the Mastervolt ecosystem? As far as I’m aware Battle Born does not accommodate any interface to the batteries. To me this is the big drawback to BB batteries. They get mostly positive reviews but your control options are quite limited.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Cleaning fresh water tank on my SM2K

eric freedman
 

I had cleaned my tank using a method outlined by Peggy Hall “The head lady” in her book.  She at one time owned Raritan.

She suggests using a strong solution of Clorox, then rinsing the tank with water. She then says add white vinegar to the tank and then rinse,

 

When I ran the water after an hour with the vinegar in the tank the water came out blue. I don’t think vinegar agrees with the copper on some

of the plumbing. I immediately pumped the tank and rinsed with fresh water.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Slavko Despotovic
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 5:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Cleaning fresh water tank on my SM2K

 

Hi,

I hove done some research on net and there are some sailors that use white vinegar for tank cleaning. It is more environmentally  friendly. Anyone have used this method for water tank cleaning? 
here is a link with explanation https://rvblogger.com/blog/safe-sanitize-rv-water-tank-vinegar/
I use white vinegar for my coffee machine cleaning and it is very successful. It is interesting that machine heats up the mixture of water in vinegar before it goes trough the machine. 
My water tank needs to be cleaned so I am looking for the best and friendly procedure.


Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Jeff
Sorry SOC-State Of Charge
Yes my field disconnect switch does just that,  however your smart reg will go to float eventually this will stop the overcharging that can happen with the standard automotive type reg.
I only use the switch as I stated.
Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM 437


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Matt Salatino
 

There are indoor propane heaters. I believe they recommend leaving a window cracked 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

There was a very sad case in New Zealand a few years back. It was four guys out on a mountain hunting trip. One night they were in a mountain hut and it was very cold so they brought the gas barbecue inside and left it running all night. In the morning three were dead and the survivor had his nose close to the gap under the door. Carbon monoxide is the killer I believe, odorless and the effects are insidious.

In the past on a previous boat I used the gas stove to warm us at 2 am after a race, but not any more

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 08 December 2020 at 07:14 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Peter,

I used the stove. The same one we cook on.  I seemed to have survived the use as a heater as I ran it for 1 ½ days

years ago before installing the Espar Heater.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Luke via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2
3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2
4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY

 



 


 


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Martin Birkhoff
 

Unfortunately I can add a similar accident. 6 years ago the heating system in the house of one of my cousins had been broken down. For some odd reasons he refused to ask for a repair. It was winter and he wanted to take a bath so he brought a charcoal barbecue into the bathroom, enlightetd the fire, closed all windows and doors as tight as he could and stepped into the bathtub. You can imagine the result, only his dog survived because it was in the living room.

Martin

Mago del Sur - 54#40  


Re: A55 , # 9

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Hi Jörg,
I hopefully may return to my boat in Florida after 1 year next march.  I am thinking to replace my 600Ah/24V batteries with Battle Born batteries 12x50Ah/24 V.
On this way I will bring my whole system to the Mastervolt Bus .
3 years ago I changed the Mastercharger -100A to MV CombiUltra 100/3500. This inverter (charger to the batteries) connects to microwave and 220 Volt outlets.
I will try to fix the MV chargemaster 100 A in the room left to the batteries with additional ventilation.
By this way the 24 V cabels should be short and I will not pass the cables through the engine-room.
A MV-shunt 500 will be added. So my question:
I will bypass the shunt for the bowthruster because auf its high load.
2.) I will bring an extra MV Easyview - one is already near the Onan switchboard-in the cockpit to switch the MV 100A Charger next to a new Onan switch in the cockpit/helm station.
The MV alpha regulator will be changed to a MV alpha pro III which also connects to the MV Bus.
I hope to optimize my generator time.
Solar arch is not an option for me.
Any comments? 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

There was a very sad case in New Zealand a few years back. It was four guys out on a mountain hunting trip. One night they were in a mountain hut and it was very cold so they brought the gas barbecue inside and left it running all night. In the morning three were dead and the survivor had his nose close to the gap under the door. Carbon monoxide is the killer I believe, odorless and the effects are insidious.

In the past on a previous boat I used the gas stove to warm us at 2 am after a race, but not any more

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 08 December 2020 at 07:14 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Peter,

I used the stove. The same one we cook on.  I seemed to have survived the use as a heater as I ran it for 1 ½ days

years ago before installing the Espar Heater.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Luke via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2
3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2
4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY

 



 


 


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

eric freedman
 

Peter,

I used the stove. The same one we cook on.  I seemed to have survived the use as a heater as I ran it for 1 ½ days

years ago before installing the Espar Heater.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Luke via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2
3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2
4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

eric freedman
 

Jeff,

I meant to use a pump to fill the tank.

To empty the tank I just stick the hose in the fuel fill and open the valve.

Wednesday sounds good for dinner.

I am heading South Saturday.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

You would know if you had the fresh air system as there is a separate circuit breaker for it.

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'll look to see if I have those blowers, but I don't believe I have them.
The luxury of linking the heater with the engine and hot water circuits, along with the option of a cockpit heating unit seem to make the hydronic system a great option. 
As far as pumping fuel from the bladder, it doesn't get any easier then a siphon system. 
I'm free thru wednesday. I'm making a scallop trip friday, and we leave 2am. How's Wednesday nite for dinner? Roberto, Charles, Jeff G.? Anyone else?
Jeff


Re: A55 , # 9

Jorg Schambach
 

On my 55#44 I have still original MV 12V/200A gel batteries for service and replaced last year the starting battery MV 90 Ah AGM,

The ventilation exist as Joerg describe earlier I have changed the ventilator on it this year (JABSCO 35770-0094 Continuous duty 100mm (4") blower, 24V running on 12V} and have only 1 shunt.

 

Best,

Jörg

A55#44


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

Peter Luke
 

Eric,

How wise it it to burn propane in an enclosed space albeit with a slightly open companionway?

Propane undergoes combustion reactions in a similar fashion to other alkanes. In the presence of excess oxygen, propane burns to form water and carbon dioxide.
C 3 H 8 + 5 O 2 ⟶ 3 CO 2 + 4 H 2 O + heat 

When insufficient oxygen is present for complete combustion, carbon monoxide and/or soot (carbon) are formed as well:
2 C 3 H 8 + 9 O 2 ⟶ 4 CO 2 + 2 CO + 8 H 2 O + heat

C 3 H 8 + 2 O 2 ⟶ 3 C + 4 H 2 O + heat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane#Properties_and_reactions

Does your CO2 or CO alarm sound off?

Appears that CO2 and H2O are byproducts - condensation & suffocating gas.

Regards,

Peter

On 7/12/2020 11:13 am, eric freedman wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Kimberlite came with a couple of blowers mounted under the port coming in my port locker.

I was hooked to ductwork to blow fresh air into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

It was very easy to hook an Espar heater into this system as the ductwork was in place. I don’t know if the 54 was supplied with this option.

If you do not have these ducts, then I agree that hot water with blowers is the way to go.

 

I think you will find pumping the fuel into the tank a lot easier than using fuel nozzle. You also do not get air into the bladder.

In the interim If you turn on the stove and open the companionway a crack it heats up the main cabin nicely.

Some old timers used to use red clay flower pots over the burners to act as radiators.

 

I am off to Kimberlite on the 12th and will return on the 21st

Dinner?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of JEFFREY KRAUS
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2020 6:40 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heater and fuel bladder

 

Eric,
I'm not sure what you mean about a forced air system.
It was cold north of the gulf stream. I had a small propane heater for the trip. It worked but it was a temporary solution. 
That bladder looks like the same one I have. I got it from Roberto.
Best Regards,
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14 
Shinnecock, NY


Re: Heater and fuel bladder

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Eric,
I'll look to see if I have those blowers, but I don't believe I have them.
The luxury of linking the heater with the engine and hot water circuits, along with the option of a cockpit heating unit seem to make the hydronic system a great option. 
As far as pumping fuel from the bladder, it doesn't get any easier then a siphon system. 
I'm free thru wednesday. I'm making a scallop trip friday, and we leave 2am. How's Wednesday nite for dinner? Roberto, Charles, Jeff G.? Anyone else?
Jeff


Re: 3 topics Smart Regulator Hydronic diesel heater

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Good Morning Alan,
At the risk of sounding stupid, what do you mean by "low SOC batteries?"
I avoid letting my battery voltage drop below 24volts. They are standard lead acid.
I was also looking into a means to shut off the alternator from charging. Is your last sentence a description of that?
Overcharging on extended periods of motoring has presented problems, and if I could have the option of shutting off the charging circuit from the alternator to the batteries, it would be fail safe for the battery bank.
Best Regards,
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14

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