Date   

Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

JP Mans
 

Hi John
Thanks for your intrest.
JP


Re: Forum Tone

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

Hi tom
which give it nothing to add!
I would also hope that this unnecessary fighting stop Elja
SM Balu #222


Forum Tone

peacock@...
 

Here I go.


I am an avid follower of, and ocassional contributor to, this forum. It has been incredibly useful for me, and, like others, has saved me much time and money.


I am disturbed, even sad, at the recent comments on this site. I am astounded at how this developed, and has continued to propagate. I have noticed vitriol on ALL sides of these issues, that has been uncalled for. 


Is it possible to hit a "reset switch"? All those who, upon reflection, feel they might have offended the group, could just issue a blanket apology, and then let's move on. This site, or a Facebook site, or the newly custom-developed site, are too important for all of us. It is difficult to wade through the enmity and still find the "pearls" of collective wisdom that we all enjoy so much.


Thanks for listening.


Tom Peacock

SM Aletes #240

USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Michael Neale <michaelneale256@...>
 

Unnecessary to make it personal. 

Mike Neale



On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:31 AM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill

I get the sense that you are inclined not to listen when people don't agree with you. Why not go back and read this thread again, because I think you may have missed a few key points - especially related to the search function. In fact, you were the one that suggested closing the forum in a previous post. I understand this forum means a lot to you. Change can be hard - especially as we grow older.

I will also add that the decision to move from Yahoo forums to another platform will eventually be made for you when this gets shut down. Facebook is just one platform. Google groups is another great option. 

I had mentioned in a previous post that it is presumptuous to try and spur a change based upon my limited time here. I now recognize that me innocently trying to help people move forward, by suggesting a modernized platform, was actually entry into the crooked social structure led by "12 angry men." "It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is."

In the past day I have received numerous private emails thanking me for suggesting a change and offering constructive feedback. I will go back to joining that silent majority. Eventually you will be forced to move to a platform quickly and likely lose the member base you have here.

All of that being said, the limited connectivity and bandwidth issue is a real concern. My only suggestion is hit a wifi connection like the thousands of people living in the country you are visiting. Offshore, SSB email to select group members would probably work.

Cheers
Jay

On Feb 19, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already


It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or thought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE








Re: Facebook Group

william_maffei@...
 

Jay, you sound like a great guy. Probably someone that posts annoying comments on FB to to get a rise out of people. Why would you join a forum that has been around for years only to bash the people that have worked so hard to make it what it is today... Please don't respond to this, it is not appropriate to bore/piss off anymore people in this group. 

If I might add, nobody is stopping you from starting your own group. There are no laws nor rules to starting your own group open to the public for Amel enthusiasts or any other group your heart may desire. 

Many thanks and good luck. 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Because this has moved to something personal, I resounded to Jay in a private off-group email.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:31 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill

I get the sense that you are inclined not to listen when people don't agree with you. Why not go back and read this thread again, because I think you may have missed a few key points - especially related to the search function. In fact, you were the one that suggested closing the forum in a previous post. I understand this forum means a lot to you. Change can be hard - especially as we grow older.

I will also add that the decision to move from Yahoo forums to another platform will eventually be made for you when this gets shut down. Facebook is just one platform. Google groups is another great option. 

I had mentioned in a previous post that it is presumptuous to try and spur a change based upon my limited time here. I now recognize that me innocently trying to help people move forward, by suggesting a modernized platform, was actually entry into the crooked social structure led by "12 angry men." "It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is."

In the past day I have received numerous private emails thanking me for suggesting a change and offering constructive feedback. I will go back to joining that silent majority. Eventually you will be forced to move to a platform quickly and likely lose the member base you have here.

All of that being said, the limited connectivity and bandwidth issue is a real concern. My only suggestion is hit a wifi connection like the thousands of people living in the country you are visiting. Offshore, SSB email to select group members would probably work.

Cheers
Jay

On Feb 19, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already


It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or t hought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

J Wagamon <jwagam@...>
 

Bill

I get the sense that you are inclined not to listen when people don't agree with you. Why not go back and read this thread again, because I think you may have missed a few key points - especially related to the search function. In fact, you were the one that suggested closing the forum in a previous post. I understand this forum means a lot to you. Change can be hard - especially as we grow older.

I will also add that the decision to move from Yahoo forums to another platform will eventually be made for you when this gets shut down. Facebook is just one platform. Google groups is another great option. 

I had mentioned in a previous post that it is presumptuous to try and spur a change based upon my limited time here. I now recognize that me innocently trying to help people move forward, by suggesting a modernized platform, was actually entry into the crooked social structure led by "12 angry men." "It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is."

In the past day I have received numerous private emails thanking me for suggesting a change and offering constructive feedback. I will go back to joining that silent majority. Eventually you will be forced to move to a platform quickly and likely lose the member base you have here.

All of that being said, the limited connectivity and bandwidth issue is a real concern. My only suggestion is hit a wifi connection like the thousands of people living in the country you are visiting. Offshore, SSB email to select group members would probably work.

Cheers
Jay

On Feb 19, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already


It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or thought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE








Re: Congratulations Bill and Judy

Chris Price
 

Congratulations Bill & Judy
I believe it take something special to complete a circumnavigation & clearly you guys have loads of  it.  Well done.  
Regards,
Chris
SV Rhumb Runner
Currently in Colon, Panama.


Watermaker drive wheel/clutch

Chris Price
 

Hi,

My 220V drive wheel on the high pressure pump has just stopped driving the high pressure pump.  Does anyone have any drawings or advice on repairing it?


The 220V pump did not start up.  I looked at it & turned the wheel by hand which started it.  However this did not turn the pump.

I started the 24v pump & it works fine.

Thanks,

Chris 

SV Rhumb Runner

#464


Re: Facebook Group

alainfeuillet@...
 

Sorry Jay, FACEBOOK is a toy but the forum we have today and the one even better set up by Garry are really tools for us. I would NEVER join a forum based on Facebook. There is a brilliant life out of Facebook and fashionable social-isme.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

No Kent.  Just the bronze



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:20/02/2016 14:42 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

 

Thanks Danny.  Are you using the speed seal on you bronze WOR?
Kent

On Feb 19, 2016, at 7:19 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent.  In reply to your query as to whether I had further thoughts on the WOB.  I continue to use the bronze.  I have a local engineer turn them up for me. Cost is a bit less than Amel price plus freight. 
I do my anti fouling biannual and the bearing does the two years with no water ingress. Need to change the oil then so it is no big deal. Not sure if my engineer uses a more resilient bronze alloy. I do a lot of miles in the two years and quite a bit of motoring. I have done 300 hours motoring in past 21months. Currently on month cruise of the NZ coast.
Cheers
Danny.
SM 299 OCEAN PEARL 
Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:20/02/2016 05:16 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

 

Hi Paul.  30 hours would not normally be enough to wear the brass "bushing" (Amel calls it the "wearing out ring" -WOR).  It is only there to hold the seals in place.  I had a stainless steel one made and after 600 hours there is no significant wear.  BUT!...the propshaft electrolysis I had was directly under the stainless WOR aft of the inner O-ring.  I don't think it was the cause, but if the WOR had been made of brass, it may have been damaged instead of the shaft.  I may have seen loss of oil or water incursion to warn me of the problem before any damage was done to the shaft.  Others have used a "speed seal" very thin stainless collar around the WOR with good results.  That may be the best solution to the relatively rapid wearing of the brass WOR.  Danny, I think that was your idea initially, wasn't it?  Any other thoughts after several years of using the speed seal?

The Amel drawing of the lower end of the CDrive shows the two inner (forward) seals positioned with the open side facing forward to keep oil in, and the outer (aft) seal facing aft to keep water out.  A discussion on this forum about 6-7 years ago prompted me to install the forward seal facing forward and the two aft seals facing aft. I also started using a sealer around the seals, and packing them with waterproof grease.  Since making those changes, I've had no leaks or water incursion.

If the "Amel agent" did in fact install a new WOR, perhaps there is another reason why yours wore so quickly.  Excessive vibration?

Good luck
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello!

I had my propshaft Busing replaced by an Amel Agent a few month back, now on the hard after ca  30 h on the engine since the change I saw that it was leaking oil. I open and found the oil white of water that had come in.

I have posted a picture of the brass busing as I to my surprise find a lot of where on it

Is this normal after ca 30 h? Can I Reuse it?

Would it be a good idea to have a few busings made out of stainless steel?

Should not the outer lip seal be turned to keep water from coming in? and not prevent oil to leak out. I assume the inner lip seal was for prevent oil to come out and the two others there to preventing water to get into the drive?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: Facebook Group

william_maffei@...
 

As a new Amel owner... (1 year now). I agree with Bill R and Dimitris 110%. Facebook is a great tool to share adventures and pictures, keep in touch with other Amel owners and occasionally share technical data/tips. The yahoo group is a much more appropriate medium to share Amel data; including technical data, maintenance procedures and other useful information owners would find beneficial. This forum has helped save me thousands of dollars with how to's, not to mention if one were to do a simple google search of something Amel related, 9 out of 10 times our yahoo forum is a top hit. 

Jay, I too was flooded with emails in my inbox. To solve this problem I changed a few settings and set up a free additional email to consolidate Amel post/notifications. 

Just my two cents. 

Bill Maffei 
SM #195 
It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Finally I got a good enough internet connection to look at your photos. My guess is that wear is normal for less than 100 hours.

I am mostly certain that you did not get water from wear on the bushing, but rather possibly a defective O ring, or possibly a mistake in installation...mistakes happen. I have made them, any of us could make them.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:14 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello!

I had my propshaft Busing replaced by an Amel Agent a few month back, now on the hard after ca  30 h on the engine since the change I saw that it was leaking oil. I open and found the oil white of water that had come in.

I have posted a picture of the brass busing as I to my surprise find a lot of where on it

Is this normal after ca 30 h? Can I Reuse it?

Would it be a good idea to have a few busings made out of stainless steel?

Should not the outer lip seal be turned to keep water from coming in? and not prevent oil to leak out. I assume the inner lip seal was for prevent oil to come out and the two others there to preventing water to get into the drive?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I just searched Conversations C-Drive seal and got hundreds of postings.


Bill
BeBe

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:09 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, you make a couple of good points here. I do understand from a privacy issue why you wouldn't want to use Facebook. There was a time when entering the Facebook ecosystem meant opening yourself to the world. That is no longer the case. If settings are properly set, you can remain autonomous/invisible. No high school girl/boyfriends tracking you down etc etc

Also, you would be able to search "show me the all the past posts that have anything to do with the C-drive seal." Even better, 10 years from now someone will be able to read the thread! You are leaving a stable history for the next group of owners.


On Feb 19, 2016, at 3:56 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

That may be what YOU mean when you say searchable, what other people mean is getting results to a question like this:  "show me the all the past posts that have anything to do with the C-drive seal".


If you can't import all the previous history into a Facebook group, you are throwing out a HUGE resource of past data.

I know how hard it is to contemplate life without facebook, but it does exist!  I don't miss my cancelled Facebook account.  I am unlikely to reactiviate it.  Just one voice, and not worth much.

Bill Kinney



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already


It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or thought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

karkauai
 

Thanks Danny.  Are you using the speed seal on you bronze WOR?
Kent

On Feb 19, 2016, at 7:19 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent.  In reply to your query as to whether I had further thoughts on the WOB.  I continue to use the bronze.  I have a local engineer turn them up for me. Cost is a bit less than Amel price plus freight. 
I do my anti fouling biannual and the bearing does the two years with no water ingress. Need to change the oil then so it is no big deal. Not sure if my engineer uses a more resilient bronze alloy. I do a lot of miles in the two years and quite a bit of motoring. I have done 300 hours motoring in past 21months. Currently on month cruise of the NZ coast.
Cheers
Danny.
SM 299 OCEAN PEARL 
Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:20/02/2016 05:16 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

 

Hi Paul.  30 hours would not normally be enough to wear the brass "bushing" (Amel calls it the "wearing out ring" -WOR).  It is only there to hold the seals in place.  I had a stainless steel one made and after 600 hours there is no significant wear.  BUT!...the propshaft electrolysis I had was directly under the stainless WOR aft of the inner O-ring.  I don't think it was the cause, but if the WOR had been made of brass, it may have been damaged instead of the shaft.  I may have seen loss of oil or water incursion to warn me of the problem before any damage was done to the shaft.  Others have used a "speed seal" very thin stainless collar around the WOR with good results.  That may be the best solution to the relatively rapid wearing of the brass WOR.  Danny, I think that was your idea initially, wasn't it?  Any other thoughts after several years of using the speed seal?

The Amel drawing of the lower end of the CDrive shows the two inner (forward) seals positioned with the open side facing forward to keep oil in, and the outer (aft) seal facing aft to keep water out.  A discussion on this forum about 6-7 years ago prompted me to install the forward seal facing forward and the two aft seals facing aft. I also started using a sealer around the seals, and packing them with waterproof grease.  Since making those changes, I've had no leaks or water incursion.

If the "Amel agent" did in fact install a new WOR, perhaps there is another reason why yours wore so quickly.  Excessive vibration?

Good luck
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello!

I had my propshaft Busing replaced by an Amel Agent a few month back, now on the hard after ca  30 h on the engine since the change I saw that it was leaking oil. I open and found the oil white of water that had come in.

I have posted a picture of the brass busing as I to my surprise find a lot of where on it

Is this normal after ca 30 h? Can I Reuse it?

Would it be a good idea to have a few busings made out of stainless steel?

Should not the outer lip seal be turned to keep water from coming in? and not prevent oil to leak out. I assume the inner lip seal was for prevent oil to come out and the two others there to preventing water to get into the drive?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

karkauai
 

As usual, Bill, right you are...I've never looked at one with only 30 hours on it.  I remember reading on this site several years ago that an Amel technician in Guadeloupe also suggested putting the seals in with the forward one facing in and the two aft ones facing out.  If I remember correctly, the logic was that if oil leaked out it would lubricate the other seals, and could always be replaced if you were at sea.  My problem was always having water get in, rather than oil leaking out.  No problems whatever since I started doing it that way.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 19, 2016, at 12:19 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,

I do not think any of us can tell you how much wear a bushing should have after 30 hours because I cannot imagine that anyone has seen one with only 30 hours.

In terms of seal orientation, I believe you should stick with Amel's guidance which is two seals in and one seal out. Two seals will keep the oil in and one seal the water out.

Have you contacted the contractor who did the work?

I can think of several possible reasons that you have water in the oil:
  1. The seals were not driven completely in the housing.
  2. The last seal was damaged as it was pressed into place. I have personally damaged this last seal when driving it home. Fortunately I had spares!
  3. The O ring on the inside of the wear bushing was omitted, the wrong size used, or damaged. INSTRUCTIONS #14: "Before replacing bronze bearing with its 3 seals, you need to make sure that the O ring on the inside of the new bronze bearing will fit properly. To do so, push the new bronze bearing home without fitting the seals. It should go with a hard push from your hands. If it doesn't, try a different O ring, as they are not all absolutely identical."
  4. The following instruction was NOT followed. INSTRUCTIONS #16: "Having tapped home the 3 seals so that the 3rd seal is about 10mm inset, then remove the old bronze bearing and push in the new bearing so that it is hard up against the outboard seal. THEN ease the bronze bearing aft 2mm so that it is not actually touching the seal. This will leave the 2 allen keys on the bronze bearing about 2 to 3 mm aft of the in situ bearing and the widest part of the bronze bearing will be about 2mm inside the in situ bearing."
Did you watch the worker and ensure that the steps were followed and all was done correctly? I believe that this is very, very important, regardless of which worker or contractor you use...and I am stating it here because something was not done correctly and the only project manager that you can count on is you, including if you have the work done at Amel-owned facilities such as Hyeres or Martinique.

Best,

Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
Martinique

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:14 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello!

I had my propshaft Busing replaced by an Amel Agent a few month back, now on the hard after ca  30 h on the engine since the change I saw that it was leaking oil. I open and found the oil white of water that had come in.

I have posted a picture of the brass busing as I to my surprise find a lot of where on it

Is this normal after ca 30 h? Can I Reuse it?

Would it be a good idea to have a few busings made out of stainless steel?

Should not the outer lip seal be turned to keep water from coming in? and not prevent oil to leak out. I assume the inner lip seal was for prevent oil to come out and the two others there to preventing water to get into the drive?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent.  In reply to your query as to whether I had further thoughts on the WOB.  I continue to use the bronze.  I have a local engineer turn them up for me. Cost is a bit less than Amel price plus freight. 
I do my anti fouling biannual and the bearing does the two years with no water ingress. Need to change the oil then so it is no big deal. Not sure if my engineer uses a more resilient bronze alloy. I do a lot of miles in the two years and quite a bit of motoring. I have done 300 hours motoring in past 21months. Currently on month cruise of the NZ coast.
Cheers
Danny.
SM 299 OCEAN PEARL 
Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:20/02/2016 05:16 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

 

Hi Paul.  30 hours would not normally be enough to wear the brass "bushing" (Amel calls it the "wearing out ring" -WOR).  It is only there to hold the seals in place.  I had a stainless steel one made and after 600 hours there is no significant wear.  BUT!...the propshaft electrolysis I had was directly under the stainless WOR aft of the inner O-ring.  I don't think it was the cause, but if the WOR had been made of brass, it may have been damaged instead of the shaft.  I may have seen loss of oil or water incursion to warn me of the problem before any damage was done to the shaft.  Others have used a "speed seal" very thin stainless collar around the WOR with good results.  That may be the best solution to the relatively rapid wearing of the brass WOR.  Danny, I think that was your idea initially, wasn't it?  Any other thoughts after several years of using the speed seal?

The Amel drawing of the lower end of the CDrive shows the two inner (forward) seals positioned with the open side facing forward to keep oil in, and the outer (aft) seal facing aft to keep water out.  A discussion on this forum about 6-7 years ago prompted me to install the forward seal facing forward and the two aft seals facing aft. I also started using a sealer around the seals, and packing them with waterproof grease.  Since making those changes, I've had no leaks or water incursion.

If the "Amel agent" did in fact install a new WOR, perhaps there is another reason why yours wore so quickly.  Excessive vibration?

Good luck
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello!

I had my propshaft Busing replaced by an Amel Agent a few month back, now on the hard after ca  30 h on the engine since the change I saw that it was leaking oil. I open and found the oil white of water that had come in.

I have posted a picture of the brass busing as I to my surprise find a lot of where on it

Is this normal after ca 30 h? Can I Reuse it?

Would it be a good idea to have a few busings made out of stainless steel?

Should not the outer lip seal be turned to keep water from coming in? and not prevent oil to leak out. I assume the inner lip seal was for prevent oil to come out and the two others there to preventing water to get into the drive?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: Facebook Group

Miles
 

For myself,  I don’t have FB and I have no intention of having FB.  A searchable email system that I can use off-shore is best—certainly nothing that takes a lot of bandwidth.  

 

Miles

 

SM 216  Ladybug