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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Joining the Club...

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Well done.

Fair winds and smooth seas.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY ELEUTHERA, SM007


On 12 Feb 2016, at 14:16, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,

I have been reading a lot here, and posted a few times.  When I have posted it has always been with the signature line "shopping for an SM."

Well, the shopping is over!  We have a contract on SM #160, Harmonie!  Hopefully final closing will occur by the end of the month.  She is a beautiful boat in great condition and super well cared for.

She's currently lying in Hollywood Florida.  After familiarizing ourselves whit the boat and doing what ever little things we need to do, we will be continuing our cruising plans from there.

Bill Kinney





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Joining the Club...

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Congratulations Bill !!!

Welcome to the group!

Where are you located at the moment?

Sincerely Alexandre



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On Fri, 2/12/16, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Joining the Club...
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, February 12, 2016, 7:16 AM


 









Hello all,

I have
been reading a lot here, and posted a few times.  When I
have posted it has always been with the signature line
"shopping for an SM."

Well, the shopping is over!  We have a
contract on SM #160, Harmonie!  Hopefully final closing
will occur by the end of the month.  She is a beautiful
boat in great condition and super well cared for.

She's currently lying in
Hollywood Florida.  After familiarizing ourselves whit the
boat and doing what ever little things we need to do, we
will be continuing our cruising plans from there.

Bill Kinney














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Joining the Club...

greatketch@...
 

Hello all,

I have been reading a lot here, and posted a few times.  When I have posted it has always been with the signature line "shopping for an SM."

Well, the shopping is over!  We have a contract on SM #160, Harmonie!  Hopefully final closing will occur by the end of the month.  She is a beautiful boat in great condition and super well cared for.

She's currently lying in Hollywood Florida.  After familiarizing ourselves whit the boat and doing what ever little things we need to do, we will be continuing our cruising plans from there.

Bill Kinney





[Amel Yacht Owners] Onan shuts down "Fault Breaker" (CB5)

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

Recently I noted my genset would shut down by itself. Under what I thought was not full load.

I thought I remember being able to run all 3 Air Conditioning, 1 battery charger and the Washer. but if I do, it trip… If I remove an air conditioning then ok.

I thought" i"f it was too much load the side breaker (aft side) would trip, instead this is the (CB5)...

“Check Generator” Fault Breaker (CB5): Shuts down the genset when high generator quadrature winding current causes it to trip. Push the reset but- ton to reset.

What does it mean? What is quadrature winding current?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Cranks But Won't Start

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

Thanks for your info Mike.
Not sure we have the same genset, on SM2K #289 I own Genset ONAN MDKAL
Is your spare mixer part: 155−3261−02 Mixer (E086)?


Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Fri, 2/12/16, goughs_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Onan Cranks But Won't Start
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, February 12, 2016, 3:26 AM


 









Hi if it is any help I recently pulled off
exhaust mixer from the engine and found it 90% blocked with
carbon. If much worse probably would not start either. I am
not sure of how many hours running to that stage but suspect
around 2000. Carbon is very hard, take care not to damage
anything when chipping it out.. For myself I will now check
routinely every 1000 hrs and carry spare mixer.Best
of luckMike Gough SM 378










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Gang,

We use Coppercoat… and have done so in the Med for the last 7 years.  Bill on BeBe suggests Coppercoat will not work well in water temps exceeding 30C.  But thus far, every time I look, there is graphic evidence of “barnies” attaching and growing only to slide off the hull at a slight distance away.  It is a visible process.  I will post photos when I get in for a swim… too cold now.  Plus, I am a wimp for this.

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007

On 12 Feb 2016, at 12:23, trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Great and timely information for us. We are about to take our Sharki out for anti fouling.
Bill do you know if Sharki’s built in 1980 also featured this propriety osmotic coat?
We are hauling out in Malaysia and plan to use Jotun Seaforce 90.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks
Warren and Zetta
Manon2
Sharki #15

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From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎12‎ ‎February‎ ‎2016 ‎7‎:‎04‎ ‎p.m.
To: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]

 

Eric,

I had BeBe hand scraped, then sanded in 2011. The original bottom paint was an International hard paint. There was no barrier coat because it is not needed on your Super Maramu as Amel has a propriety osmotic coat beneath the gelcoat... 

I have always used International Micron 66 or Micron 77. I do not believe Micron 77 is available in the US or any country influenced by what the EPA allows...I have seen it here in Martinique. FYI, the EPA has not approved a single new bottom paint in the last 7 years (politics). Micron 77 is better than 66 because you can take 77 into fresh water...77 becomes inert after too much fresh water.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

Did he actually use sand or another media?

Best

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@... ]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

We had the bottom of Pen Azen dry sand blasted with a machine operator who was millimetre accurate. When he finished  the gelcoat looked as if it had just come out of the mould. You wouldn't think it had ever been painted.

  We put two layers of clear epoxy on and then we Coppercoated.

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece




On 12 Feb 2016, at 02:10, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.

I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bott om and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.

Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?

Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?

Olivier, what would you recommend?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

Warren Traill
 

Great and timely information for us. We are about to take our Sharki out for anti fouling.
Bill do you know if Sharki’s built in 1980 also featured this propriety osmotic coat?
We are hauling out in Malaysia and plan to use Jotun Seaforce 90.
Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks
Warren and Zetta
Manon2
Sharki #15

Sent from Windows Mail

From: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎12‎ ‎February‎ ‎2016 ‎7‎:‎04‎ ‎p.m.
To: 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]

 

Eric,

I had BeBe hand scraped, then sanded in 2011. The original bottom paint was an International hard paint. There was no barrier coat because it is not needed on your Super Maramu as Amel has a propriety osmotic coat beneath the gelcoat... 

I have always used International Micron 66 or Micron 77. I do not believe Micron 77 is available in the US or any country influenced by what the EPA allows...I have seen it here in Martinique. FYI, the EPA has not approved a single new bottom paint in the last 7 years (politics). Micron 77 is better than 66 because you can take 77 into fresh water...77 becomes inert after too much fresh water.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

Did he actually use sand or another media?

Best

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@... ]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

We had the bottom of Pen Azen dry sand blasted with a machine operator who was millimetre accurate. When he finished  the gelcoat looked as if it had just come out of the mould. You wouldn't think it had ever been painted.

  We put two layers of clear epoxy on and then we Coppercoated.

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece




On 12 Feb 2016, at 02:10, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.

I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bott om and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.

Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?

Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?

Olivier, what would you recommend?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I had BeBe hand scraped, then sanded in 2011. The original bottom paint was an International hard paint. There was no barrier coat because it is not needed on your Super Maramu as Amel has a propriety osmotic coat beneath the gelcoat... 

I have always used International Micron 66 or Micron 77. I do not believe Micron 77 is available in the US or any country influenced by what the EPA allows...I have seen it here in Martinique. FYI, the EPA has not approved a single new bottom paint in the last 7 years (politics). Micron 77 is better than 66 because you can take 77 into fresh water...77 becomes inert after too much fresh water.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:15 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

Did he actually use sand or another media?

Best

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@... ]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

We had the bottom of Pen Azen dry sand blasted with a machine operator who was millimetre accurate. When he finished  the gelcoat looked as if it had just come out of the mould. You wouldn't think it had ever been painted.

  We put two layers of clear epoxy on and then we Coppercoated.

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece




On 12 Feb 2016, at 02:10, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.

I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bott om and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.

Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?

Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?

Olivier, what would you recommend?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 



Spreader Angle

danielmfrey63@...
 

Dear colleagues

Two years ago Heureka got a new standing rigging. But it is only now that I realize that the spreaders have been mounted horizontally during this work. On pre-rig pictures I can see that the spreaders were up maybe 5° from a horizontal point of view. And now I learn from a rig tuning book that the angle of the shrouds above and below the spreader to the spreader should be the equal. I guess, that was not the case originally at my Santorin. So, I am a Little bit confused. What is recommended by the AMEL community and what is best practice?

Thank you for any recommendations.


Best regards - Daniel


SY Heureka

Santorin Nr. 64 (1992)

Kuşadası, Turkey







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

eric freedman
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

Did he actually use sand or another media?

Best

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

We had the bottom of Pen Azen dry sand blasted with a machine operator who was millimetre accurate. When he finished  the gelcoat looked as if it had just come out of the mould. You wouldn't think it had ever been painted.

  We put two layers of clear epoxy on and then we Coppercoated.

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece




On 12 Feb 2016, at 02:10, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.

I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bottom and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.

Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?

Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?

Olivier, what would you recommend?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Onan Cranks But Won't Start

Mike Gough
 

Hi if it is any help I recently pulled off exhaust mixer from the engine and found it 90% blocked with carbon. If much worse probably would not start either. I am not sure of how many hours running to that stage but suspect around 2000. Carbon is very hard, take care not to damage anything when chipping it out.. For myself I will now check routinely every 1000 hrs and carry spare mixer.

Best of luck

Mike Gough SM 378


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Freezer temperature

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello Eric,

It is a Super Maramu 2000.

In early 2014, we removed the underseat refrigerators, repaired and thickened the external insulation, replaced the factory centre-box evaporators with new Frigoboat evaporators that run along the walls and replaced the factory compressors with new Frigoboat compressors. 

Peregrinus
#350 (2002)
Docked at Real Club Náutico Torrevieja, province of Alicante


Re: Onan Cranks But Won't Start

rossirossix4
 

Hi Gary,
Sounds like a good idea.  Are any parts, e.g. gasket replacement required for inspection and cleaning?
Bob, KAIMI SM 429


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom paint

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Eric,

We had the bottom of Pen Azen dry sand blasted with a machine operator who was millimetre accurate. When he finished  the gelcoat looked as if it had just come out of the mould. You wouldn't think it had ever been painted.
  We put two layers of clear epoxy on and then we Coppercoated.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen , SM 302 Greece



On 12 Feb 2016, at 02:10, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.

I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bottom and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.

Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?

Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?

Olivier, what would you recommend?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Bottom paint

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I was thinking of having the bottom of Kimberlite stripped and painted.

I have been using ablative paint for the last 13 years and the bottom is no longer fair, regardless of a number of heavy sandings. Has anyone had their boats bottom and keel media blasted?  Someone mentioned that media blasting will harm the gelcoat.

Also, would you recommend a barrier coat if I have the bottom paint removed to the gelcoat?

Was the original factory paint hard epoxy or ablative paint? What was applied to the keel?

Olivier, what would you recommend?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey

Eric Colegrove <ecole2020@...>
 

I know this stuff probably belongs in another thread.
Let me clarify that a little better.  Boat was listed by owner.  We had already arrived at a preliminary figure, contingent upon inspection, sea trial, survey.  But the owner was dealing with some health issues and later on hired a broker to assist in the sale so he wouldn't have to be around all the time during our dealings.  The broker contacted me to tell me he'd be elping out with the paperwork, escrow, etc.  Then I read part 3 of the above regulation, which states that if a broker or agent is involved, then it is no longer a casual sale.  I told the owner if I read the law correctly, if the broker hands me a pen, the "casual sale" definition is out the window and I'd need to pay sales tax.  When I decreased the offer to account for that, he fired the broker.  I don't know how that went down.  If I had found the boat by a listing the broker placed, (yachtworld, sailboatlistings, etc) then it would not be a casual sale.  If you had to pay Georgia Sales tax, the boat was probably offered by a broker (like most boats), who had to report the sale to Georgia DOR. 
In my case, it was pure luck that the number I called (sailboatlistings ad) was the owner's cell phone.  Had the contact number been a broker's I'd be on the hook for the sales tax.  As it is, I anticipate about $1,300 in ad valorum based on the county where the boat will be kept.  Not sure if that tax is based off where the boat is or my county of residence.  If residence, I believe our millage rate is cheaper here.
Outside of all that crop, the boat is in great shape and I can't wait to sail her back to Georgia.  Mark, my first "big" trip will be sailing from Savannah to Jacksonville (my old sailing grounds) in October for the GA-FLA game.  If all goes well, maybe see you around?
E

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:44 PM, "Eric Colegrove ecole2020@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


  Aware there will be tax, i.e. ad velorum tax.  Same situation with a car.  In Georgia, buy a car casual sale (no dealer), no sales tax due.  Buy from a dealer, must pay sales tax.  It has not always been that way.   Few years back, Georgia tried to figure a way to collect sales tax on private sales.  From memory, it lasted a few years before they changed the law back recently. But you DO get hosed on ad velorum tax when one registers a vessel.  
Here is what my high school buddy, who works for ga dept of revenue said it is just like a car sale:
"As long as it's owned by an individual and not legally owned by a company, it's a casual sale and no sales tax is due.  If legally owned by a company, you would owe use tax (same % as sales tax).  As far as ad valorum,  it would depend on the assessed value (40% of fair market) times your mil rate for that county."
I'm hoping he is right.  I would expect so since he is pretty high up in the ranks.  It is a like/hate friendship with him.  LOL.
Here is what I found most recently:

Rule 560-12-1-.07. Casual Sale

| (1) | Invoking the rule of de minimis and because of the difficulties of administration and enforcement, no sales or use tax liability will be enforced against either the sellers or the purchaser in a casual sale transaction as herein defined, except as hereinafter provided. |


| (2) | A "casual sale transaction" is:
| (a) | A sale in which the tangible personal property involved was not acquired or held by the seller for use in the operation of his business or for resale; or |


| (b) | A sale of tangible personal property acquired or held by the seller for use in the operation of his business (not acquired or held for resale) if the total selling price of such sale and all such sales made during the calendar month of such sale and the preceding eleven calendar months does not exceed $500; or |


| (c) | A sale of tangible personal property acquired or held by the seller for use in the operation of his business (not acquired or held for resale) if such sale is made in a complete and bona fide liquidation of a business of the seller. For purposes of this paragraph the term "business" means a separate place of business subject to registration under the Act; the term "a complete and bona fide liquidation" means the sale of all the assets of such business conducted over a period of time not exceeding thirty days from the date of the first sale of such assets, or a longer time if approved by the Commissioner as a bona fide liquidation. |

|


| (3) | Notwithstanding any other provision of these regulations, when any seller sells tangible personal property for use or consumption through an agent, broker or other person who is regularly engaged in making sales of tangible personal property, either as a principal or as an agent, then, such a sale will not be deemed a casual sale transaction. |


| (4) | Notwithstanding any other provision of these regulations, if a sale is made by an individual who is employed by or associated with another person who is regularly engaged in the business of selling the same type of tangible personal property involved in such sale, then, such transaction will not be deemed a casual sale transaction and such individual shall register and comply with the obligations and liabilities of a dealer under the Act. |


Seller got ready to employ a broker.  When I found this information and told him my offer just went down by $8,400, he fired the broker and it was a private party "casual" sale.  This is all wonderful information.  When I get the bill, we will find out how it all goes down, right?  LOL>

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:24 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


  Eric,  Congrats and welcome to the group.  Saved $8,400 in sales tax in GA because it is a "casual sale".    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I think you need to revisit the GA sales and use tax. If the boat remains in GA for more than 60 days it will require a state registration. At this time you will need to prove you have paid tax on the vessel to GA or receive credit for tax paid in another US state. It is the USE part of the sales and use tax. The state is 4% plus the county percentage (unless you resided in a state other than GA at the time of the purchase).  We lived in GA when we purchased Cream Puff and could not see a way around the tax. Cream Puff never went to GA. We too did a lot of research and sought professional advice on taxes. If you have any questions, I may be able to help.  Here is the GA explanation of the USE tax:  Watercraft imported into this state are subject to use tax at the rate of the county of delivery or first use. Credit will be granted for sales tax previously paid to another state against any use tax liability that may exist. When a watercraft has been used outside of this state for more than six months, use tax will be due on the purchase price or fair market value, whichever is lower. In addition, no tax is due on watercraft purchased outside of this state by persons not domiciled in this state but who subsequently become domiciled in this state and bring the watercraft into the state as a result of the change of domicile, as long as the watercraft is not brought into the state for use in a trade, business, or profession. Source: http://www.etax.dor.ga.gov/  With best regards,  Mark  Super Maramu 2000Hull #275www.creampuff.usCurrently cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas  From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey    Thank you all.  After survey, sea trial, negotiations, we have purchased s/v Deep Purple in Fajardo, PR.  Survey uncovered nothing major.  Bottom was inspected and tested for moisture. No blisters. Rig was inspected from top to bottom on both masts.  Boat has an external Yachtthruster bow thruster.  2008 55 HP Yanmar repower.  Electronics are good.  Interior was spotless.  Transaction all occurred without a broker- private party.  Saved $8,400 in sales tax in GA because it is a "casual sale".  TONS of paperwork, phone calls, faxing, scanning and emailing, etc.  A little bit of a hassle, but I'd do it all again to save that much money.  Anyone considering purchasing w/o broker welcome to ask.  Not as difficult as one might think.  Obviously, CYA (cover your a**) is the order of the day.  I had researched for 5 years and didn't want a buyers broker leading me towards boats I knew I didn't want.  Will sail her back to Georgia late March with crew and delivery captain.  Yes, could keep in beautiful PR instead of salt marsh/ mud water Georgia coast.  But I can't afford a plane ticket every time I want to tinker, and she will probably be safer in Georgia during hurricane season rather than PR.  My photos are not great.  I will upload as soon as I get good ones.   Erics/v Deep Purple (soon to be renamed)1982 Amel Maramu    On Sunday, January 31, 2016 6:22 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:    Eric,  You have received lots of good advice.  One more important piece of advice is to let this Group know the hull number, current name, and the location. With this information, you may get a worthwhile report from somebody familiar with the boat.   AND, possibly there is an Amel owner nearby who will inspect the boat with you. In most cases, an Amel owner will be much more valuable than a surveyor not familiar with Amels. I know of several recent pre-purchase inspections which the prospective buyers were accompanied by a current Amel owner...each of these that saved the buyers lots of $$$$'s.  Good luck, and listen to Joel Potter...he knows...period!  Best,  BillBeBe 387Currently Martinique    On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:  Hi ck the bottom to be sure there are no blisters.  Ck the keel to hull joint. Ck your chain hause pipe and the windlass. All of your standing rigging including at the top of the masts. 

Sent from my iPadRegardsCapt Richard Piller
On Jan 28, 2016, at 15:47, ecole2020@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
  I am new to the forum.  I will be going to see/survey/sea trial a Maramu in 2 days.  I'm about 90% sure I will be an Amel owner by the end of February.  But I'm prepared to walk if it is not what I want.  I hired the surveyor (recommended by local charter company) myself without owner input.  I have seen/crawled around a maramu before.  Boat, from owner's descriptions and from pictures (neither of them EVER lies, right?  :-)), is in good shape, was repowered with Yanmar, has extensive cruising kit (love the British term).  The bottom inspection will be performed after I leave.  Engine oil analysis will also be performed by an outside source. I have a couple questions:  1.  Even though the boat will be hauled and bottom inspected, would it be of any use for me to tote along my mask and snorkel and take an underwater peek myself while I'm there?  Not sure if I'd be abl e to learn anything from that, or not.  2.  Any deal-breaking issues I should pay particular attention to?  from what I have read, Maramu's are like tanks.  This boat is 33 years old and I know there will be significant wear and tear.  Fortunately, it has been used by the owner and not just sat.  I am not worried about cosmetic issues so much.  I'm sure the surveyor will point out things.  I just want to know if there is something that could be missed that could be a real problem down the road.  Thanks   Eric s.v- TBD
   

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey

Eric Colegrove <ecole2020@...>
 

Aware there will be tax, i.e. ad velorum tax.  Same situation with a car.  In Georgia, buy a car casual sale (no dealer), no sales tax due.  Buy from a dealer, must pay sales tax.  It has not always been that way.   Few years back, Georgia tried to figure a way to collect sales tax on private sales.  From memory, it lasted a few years before they changed the law back recently. But you DO get hosed on ad velorum tax when one registers a vessel.  

Here is what my high school buddy, who works for ga dept of revenue said it is just like a car sale:

"As long as it's owned by an individual and not legally owned by a company, it's a casual sale and no sales tax is due.  If legally owned by a company, you would owe use tax (same % as sales tax).  As far as ad valorum,  it would depend on the assessed value (40% of fair market) times your mil rate for that county."

I'm hoping he is right.  I would expect so since he is pretty high up in the ranks.  It is a like/hate friendship with him.  LOL.

Here is what I found most recently:

Rule 560-12-1-.07. Casual Sale

(1)Invoking the rule of de minimis and because of the difficulties of administration and enforcement, no sales or use tax liability will be enforced against either the sellers or the purchaser in a casual sale transaction as herein defined, except as hereinafter provided.
(2)A "casual sale transaction" is:
(a)A sale in which the tangible personal property involved was not acquired or held by the seller for use in the operation of his business or for resale; or
(b)A sale of tangible personal property acquired or held by the seller for use in the operation of his business (not acquired or held for resale) if the total selling price of such sale and all such sales made during the calendar month of such sale and the preceding eleven calendar months does not exceed $500; or
(c)A sale of tangible personal property acquired or held by the seller for use in the operation of his business (not acquired or held for resale) if such sale is made in a complete and bona fide liquidation of a business of the seller. For purposes of this paragraph the term "business" means a separate place of business subject to registration under the Act; the term "a complete and bona fide liquidation" means the sale of all the assets of such business conducted over a period of time not exceeding thirty days from the date of the first sale of such assets, or a longer time if approved by the Commissioner as a bona fide liquidation.
(3)Notwithstanding any other provision of these regulations, when any seller sells tangible personal property for use or consumption through an agent, broker or other person who is regularly engaged in making sales of tangible personal property, either as a principal or as an agent, then, such a sale will not be deemed a casual sale transaction.
(4)
Notwithstanding any other provision of these regulations, if a sale is made by an individual who is employed by or associated with another person who is regularly engaged in the business of selling the same type of tangible personal property involved in such sale, then, such transaction will not be deemed a casual sale transaction and such individual shall register and comply with the obligations and liabilities of a dealer under the Act.

Seller got ready to employ a broker.  When I found this information and told him my offer just went down by $8,400, he fired the broker and it was a private party "casual" sale.  This is all wonderful information.  When I get the bill, we will find out how it all goes down, right?  LOL>


On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:24 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Eric,
 
Congrats and welcome to the group.
 
Saved $8,400 in sales tax in GA because it is a "casual sale".  
 
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I think you need to revisit the GA sales and use tax. If the boat remains in GA for more than 60 days it will require a state registration. At this time you will need to prove you have paid tax on the vessel to GA or receive credit for tax paid in another US state. It is the USE part of the sales and use tax. The state is 4% plus the county percentage (unless you resided in a state other than GA at the time of the purchase).
 
We lived in GA when we purchased Cream Puff and could not see a way around the tax. Cream Puff never went to GA. We too did a lot of research and sought professional advice on taxes. If you have any questions, I may be able to help.
 
Here is the GA explanation of the USE tax:
 
Watercraft imported into this state are subject to use tax at the rate of the county of delivery or first use. Credit will be granted for sales tax previously paid to another state against any use tax liability that may exist. When a watercraft has been used outside of this state for more than six months, use tax will be due on the purchase price or fair market value, whichever is lower. In addition, no tax is due on watercraft purchased outside of this state by persons not domiciled in this state but who subsequently become domiciled in this state and bring the watercraft into the state as a result of the change of domicile, as long as the watercraft is not brought into the state for use in a trade, business, or profession.
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey
 
 
Thank you all.  After survey, sea trial, negotiations, we have purchased s/v Deep Purple in Fajardo, PR.  Survey uncovered nothing major.  Bottom was inspected and tested for moisture. No blisters. Rig was inspected from top to bottom on both masts.  Boat has an external Yachtthruster bow thruster.  2008 55 HP Yanmar repower.  Electronics are good.  Interior was spotless.
 
Transaction all occurred without a broker- private party.  Saved $8,400 in sales tax in GA because it is a "casual sale".  TONS of paperwork, phone calls, faxing, scanning and emailing, etc.  A little bit of a hassle, but I'd do it all again to save that much money.  Anyone considering purchasing w/o broker welcome to ask.  Not as difficult as one might think.  Obviously, CYA (cover your a**) is the order of the day.  I had researched for 5 years and didn't want a buyers broker leading me towards boats I knew I didn't want.
 
Will sail her back to Georgia late March with crew and delivery captain.  Yes, could keep in beautiful PR instead of salt marsh/ mud water Georgia coast.  But I can't afford a plane ticket every time I want to tinker, and she will probably be safer in Georgia during hurricane season rather than PR.
 
My photos are not great.  I will upload as soon as I get good ones. 
 
Eric
s/v Deep Purple (soon to be renamed)
1982 Amel Maramu
 
 
On Sunday, January 31, 2016 6:22 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
Eric,
 
You have received lots of good advice.
 
One more important piece of advice is to let this Group know the hull number, current name, and the location. With this information, you may get a worthwhile report from somebody familiar with the boat. 
 
AND, possibly there is an Amel owner nearby who will inspect the boat with you. In most cases, an Amel owner will be much more valuable than a surveyor not familiar with Amels. I know of several recent pre-purchase inspections which the prospective buyers were accompanied by a current Amel owner...each of these that saved the buyers lots of $$$$'s.
 
Good luck, and listen to Joel Potter...he knows...period!
 
Best,
 
Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Martinique
 
 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi ck the bottom to be sure there are no blisters.  Ck the keel to hull joint. Ck your chain hause pipe and the windlass. All of your standing rigging including at the top of the masts. 

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jan 28, 2016, at 15:47, ecole2020@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I am new to the forum.  I will be going to see/survey/sea trial a Maramu in 2 days.  I'm about 90% sure I will be an Amel owner by the end of February.  But I'm prepared to walk if it is not what I want.  I hired the surveyor (recommended by local charter company) myself without owner input.  I have seen/crawled around a maramu before.  Boat, from owner's descriptions and from pictures (neither of them EVER lies, right?  :-)), is in good shape, was repowered with Yanmar, has extensive cruising kit (love the British term).  The bottom inspection will be performed after I leave.  Engine oil analysis will also be performed by an outside source. I have a couple questions:
 
1.  Even though the boat will be hauled and bottom inspected, would it be of any use for me to tote along my mask and snorkel and take an underwater peek myself while I'm there?  Not sure if I'd be abl e to learn anything from that, or not.
 
2.  Any deal-breaking issues I should pay particular attention to?  from what I have read, Maramu's are like tanks.  This boat is 33 years old and I know there will be significant wear and tear.  Fortunately, it has been used by the owner and not just sat.  I am not worried about cosmetic issues so much.  I'm sure the surveyor will point out things.  I just want to know if there is something that could be missed that could be a real problem down the road.
 
Thanks 
 
Eric 
s.v- TBD
 
 



FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey

Mark Erdos
 

Oops! Sorry when I re-read this, I made it confusing.

 

Both NC and SC have personal property taxes on boats. The sales and use tax is capped at $1500 in NC and is capped at $300 in SC. In SC there is no personal property tax on the vessel if the vessel is in the state for less than 180 days of the year. If the same is true for NC, it can be possible to avoid the personal property tax by moving the boat back and forth.

 

I found my notes on this when we were looking to place Cream Puff in Charleston, SC. The millage rate was 1.5% of the assessed value of the boat. For us this equated to about $5,000 per year – no thanks!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff

 

www.creampuff.us

 

From: Mark Erdos [mailto:mcerdos@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:12 AM
To: 'Michael Neale'
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey

 

Mike,

 

The good news about NC is the sales and use tax is capped at $1,500.  The bad news is there is personal property taxes on boats in this state. I’m not entirely sure of the millage rates of the tax as it varies by county. When we reviewed Charleston as an option for Cream Puff, it was stupid expensive. I called the state office to understand the tax system. I think some people there move the boat form NC to SC during certain months of the year to avoid the property tax. We didn’t want the headache of this so I did not review any further.

 

(in my opinion) I think it may be possible to buy a boat and register it in NC and pay the $1500 sales and use tax. Then move the boat to Florida after 6 months of ownership but prior to NC due or accessed. Register the vessel in FL after 6-months of ownership and be exempt from the FL tax. Again, just my opinion.

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff

 

www.creampuff.us

 

From: Michael Neale [mailto:michaelneale256@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:35 AM
To: Boat, Amel, CREAMPUFF
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey

 

Mark,

 

What do you know about N. Carolina boat taxes?

Mike Neale

 


On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:47 AM, mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I just had another thought on this. If I remember correctly, you do not have the full 60 days. Technically the tax is due on the vessel on the first personal use in the state. So, as a GA resident, the moment you sail into GA waters or dock there, you are facing a Use tax bill. You should also be aware that marinas in GA are required to report new leases to the County and State agencies. When we moved our previous boat to GA, we were stunned by the number of tax bills we received from the various agencies. We realized the marina reported the vessel information. It was up to us to then determine to which agency we had to pay tax and from which we were exempt.

 

This was our soul reason for keeping Cream Puff in FL. As residents of GA we would have been subject to use tax the moment the vessel entered state waters. Consider looking at St. Petersburg FL. It is a beautiful city with a huge sailing community. It is driveable from GA (7.5 hours from Atlanta). Florida has a use tax exemption if you import you vessel into the state once you have owned it for longer than 180 days. The vessel can then be state registered without paying the tax.

 

St Augustine (San Sebastian River) is another option as is Fernandina Beach (as Kent previously mentioned) are two good Florida locations from GA.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey

Mark Erdos
 

I just had another thought on this. If I remember correctly, you do not have the full 60 days. Technically the tax is due on the vessel on the first personal use in the state. So, as a GA resident, the moment you sail into GA waters or dock there, you are facing a Use tax bill. You should also be aware that marinas in GA are required to report new leases to the County and State agencies. When we moved our previous boat to GA, we were stunned by the number of tax bills we received from the various agencies. We realized the marina reported the vessel information. It was up to us to then determine to which agency we had to pay tax and from which we were exempt.

 

This was our soul reason for keeping Cream Puff in FL. As residents of GA we would have been subject to use tax the moment the vessel entered state waters. Consider looking at St. Petersburg FL. It is a beautiful city with a huge sailing community. It is driveable from GA (7.5 hours from Atlanta). Florida has a use tax exemption if you import you vessel into the state once you have owned it for longer than 180 days. The vessel can then be state registered without paying the tax.

 

St Augustine (San Sebastian River) is another option as is Fernandina Beach (as Kent previously mentioned) are two good Florida locations from GA.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

If it isn't in a too much hurry I can help. But later this spring, right now it is pretty much with the boat...

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

11 feb. 2016 kl. 02:41 skrev gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

UPDATE  on the new site. 02/10/2016


The Yahoo database has been captured and copied into two files.  

One is a web-based file (readable and searchable in a browser).
One is a .PDF file (readable and searchable in Adobe Reader or Acrobat.

The base file is a database converted to pure text, thus removing links and advertisements and large fonts, and highlighting and anything else that would slow a search.

The files are large.  50+ Megabytes each:
     17 Million plus lines of data were indexed (a lot of them are blank, just spaces and carriage returns)
     56 Million characters are included in 25,361 messages.
     Messages are ordered by date, as hey were posted.  I was trying to organize them by topics, bit Yahoo doesn't make sense with those key numbers some time and it looked like a LOT of work to get it sorted.

Yahoo injects a large amount of spurious text into the message base, especially the mess of raw html code that we often have to wade through.  In order to reduce the size of the files and the amount of clutter I might ask for a couple of volunteers to take a portion of the source file (.txt) and work through it to remove a few thousand lines of useless text.  I'll make that plea and set up the methodology on the new board.

I looked briefly (again) into trying to replicate the Yahoo database into the new site but I don't see a ready answer. Still searching....

As far as I'm concerned, the new board at "http://www.amelowners.net" is stable and ready for traffic. 

I have about a week in St. Thomas to continue to pipe things over.  I CAN import the current message streams, one at a time, to the new board for continuing dialogue.  It would make sense that if I were to do that I would go back say, a couple of weeks and capture the most active topics and bring them across.
After that I would stand down on any support for Yahoo and focus only on the new board's development.

Ready when you are :)

Gary W.
S/V Adagio, SM 209
USVI