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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Kent
I just posted some pics on the site. Will try to call you later
Paul


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:18:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

 

Sorry to hear about your problem, Paul.  When mine broke I was 100 mm East of Puerto Rico in dead air...it took 3 days to sail back.
The shaft was broken between the transmission and the flex coupling where it's diameter stepped down about 14mm.

I had it repaired by a local machine shop.  They turned the larger diameter part down to the same size as the smaller part and made a sleeve which was fitted over both ends of the broken shaft and welded in place.  It still seemed strong two years later when I removed the CDrive to replace it when I had the electrolysis problem.
Amel said that the shafts and 90degree gears were made as a set and didn't want to sell me just the upper shaft.
It isn't hard to remove the shaft, but to put it back together you'll have to move the engine aft a bit.

I'm sure that mine failed because of worn out engine mounts.  I'd take this opportunity to change them now, too.

Please call me if you'd like to talk about this.  I'm in North Carolina at +1 828-234-6819

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,

Just a thought...Fixing the problem in the BVI might be a little difficult due to lack of good marine resources, and knowledge of the Amel. Here in St Martin, the resources are much better, and it is only an 80 mile sail away. Also, Will has a special tool he had machined to help with the alignment process, and I'm sure he would let you use it. When Kent had his problem, he had it fixed in Puerto Rico, and he has the name of the mechanic who did the work. 

Steve
Aloha Sm72
St Martin


On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:55, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Steve
Thanks for the info.
The shaft is definitely broken as we have taken the Vetus coupling off after moving the engine back. We did break up a Vetus coupling last year that was caused by the mechanic not using lock washers on the bracket holding the transmission in place and it came loose. This was done when the engine was replaced and the mechanic who installed the engine loosened up the bolts. The Vetus coupling could be replaced but is serviceable as soon as I punch out the broken shaft that is inside it.
It would be a tough sail over to St Martin due to the pointing aspects of an Amel. I believe FKG could machine a part. In Roadtown there is a machine shop, Nautitool, who could machine a part.
My real question is how to remove the shaft. Did Kent have his shaft removed? If possible I would sail to Puerto Rico to have it done if this is what Kent had done. I would prefer to know how it comes apart even if Amel can source a replacement.
I have posted pictures on the Amel site.

Thanks
Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:53:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

 

Paul,

Just a thought...Fixing the problem in the BVI might be a little difficult due to lack of good marine resources, and knowledge of the Amel. Here in St Martin, the resources are much better, and it is only an 80 mile sail away. Also, Will has a special tool he had machined to help with the alignment process, and I'm sure he would let you use it. When Kent had his problem, he had it fixed in Puerto Rico, and he has the name of the mechanic who did the work. 

Steve
Aloha Sm72
St Martin


On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:55, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

karkauai
 

Sorry to hear about your problem, Paul.  When mine broke I was 100 mm East of Puerto Rico in dead air...it took 3 days to sail back.
The shaft was broken between the transmission and the flex coupling where it's diameter stepped down about 14mm.

I had it repaired by a local machine shop.  They turned the larger diameter part down to the same size as the smaller part and made a sleeve which was fitted over both ends of the broken shaft and welded in place.  It still seemed strong two years later when I removed the CDrive to replace it when I had the electrolysis problem.
Amel said that the shafts and 90degree gears were made as a set and didn't want to sell me just the upper shaft.
It isn't hard to remove the shaft, but to put it back together you'll have to move the engine aft a bit.

I'm sure that mine failed because of worn out engine mounts.  I'd take this opportunity to change them now, too.

Please call me if you'd like to talk about this.  I'm in North Carolina at +1 828-234-6819

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,

Just a thought...Fixing the problem in the BVI might be a little difficult due to lack of good marine resources, and knowledge of the Amel. Here in St Martin, the resources are much better, and it is only an 80 mile sail away. Also, Will has a special tool he had machined to help with the alignment process, and I'm sure he would let you use it. When Kent had his problem, he had it fixed in Puerto Rico, and he has the name of the mechanic who did the work. 

Steve
Aloha Sm72
St Martin


On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:55, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

Stephen Davis
 

Paul,

Just a thought...Fixing the problem in the BVI might be a little difficult due to lack of good marine resources, and knowledge of the Amel. Here in St Martin, the resources are much better, and it is only an 80 mile sail away. Also, Will has a special tool he had machined to help with the alignment process, and I'm sure he would let you use it. When Kent had his problem, he had it fixed in Puerto Rico, and he has the name of the mechanic who did the work. 

Steve
Aloha Sm72
St Martin


On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:55, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

Stephen Davis
 

Sorry Paul...pressed send by accident. 

At any rate, let me know if I can help in any way. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
St Martin


On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:55, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Paul and Susan,

So sorry to hear about the shaft/coupling. We had our coupling come apart offshor of Cape Hatteras last August, and only 37 hours after our new engine had been installed. In our case, it was caused by mis-alignment of the engine to the Cdrive by the mechanic. 

My first question is are you shure the actual shaft is broken, and not just the coupling? In our case, the coupling shattered, and all 4 of the metal nubbs in the coupling which hold the bushings, were broken off. As we took it all apart, we were able to see the shaft forward of the coupling, and where it enters the Cdrive, and were relieved to find the shaft was not broken. Do you have it apart enough to see that the shaft is actually broken? We did a penetrating dye test on our shaft to insure we had no hairline cracks, and all was Ok. 

Two boats that I know of have broken the shaft and the coupling. One was Kent from S/V Kristi, and the other was Will Stout off of Anni Bea True. Im not sure where Kent is at the moment, but will is here in St Martin along with us. In both of these cases, they were able to have a good machine shop repair the shaft, and then put it back together with a new coupling. I suspect Amel will suggest a new C drive, but hopefully that will not be the case. 

The next question is why did you have the failure in the first place. If you have not recently re-aligned the motor, it is likely a result of worn mounts on the engine, Cdrive or both. When you do the repair, make sure you evaluate the mounts, and replace as necessary. I can provide you the part numbers for the new Vetus coupling, and mounts for the Cdrive, but my engine mounts were replaced with new Yanmar mounts when we re-powered. 


On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:55, pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft

Mark Erdos
 

Do a search on the yahoo group for “Will Stout” and “ <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/22346> flexible coupling”. Will recently went through the same issue.







With best regards,



Mark



Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff



www.creampuff.us



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Broken/Snapped drive shaft





We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI


Re: Broken/Snapped drive shaft

william_maffei@...
 

Do you have a picture you could post? If the coupling is the fault then the part number is KO53. 

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good


Broken/Snapped drive shaft

pflafrance@...
 

We have broken the shaft from the engine to the transmission. The shaft broke inside the Vetus Flex Coupling.
Has any one had to replace this part and if so how did it come off. Does Amel have a spare for this? We have emailed Amel and are awaiting their reply.

Paul & Susan LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently at anchor in Peter Island BVI



Re: electrolysis on mast/boom connection

Paul Osterberg
 

Danny!
I  measured the voltage difference again between the bolt and the mast again more that a week after that I turned the bolt a few revs and there is still hardly any potential difference at all. Newer the less I worked out the bolt it toke a while and in principle the bolt is totally isolated from any other metal contact as there a "plastic" washers and plastic "bearings" where the bolt is, so the only reason I can think of for the voltage difference is salt water and salt crust.
I will treat the bolt with TefTec before mounting it back.
By the way what paint do you use for repainting the mast around the corroded are?= I need to paint as well

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] De-flagging

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I should know Stephanie, since I did that 3 years ago when I purchase NIKIMAT, change from French to BVI flag, but the broker did all the work...

I know I had to send a letter to the "service Douane Navigation" (French navigation customs) to ask for the "radiation du pavillon".

This was my broker, that I highly recommend.
Jean Paul Bahuaud
Caraibe Yachts / Caribbean Yachts
Cell + 590 690 35 01 98
email: jp.bahuaud@...

Why do you want to put a US flag? My understand (from going at the Miami boat show 2 years ago), is that "as long as the tax in the US has been paid" you are allowed to put for sale or charter your vessel in the US. All they care is the money.
I am saying that because I visited a large sailing boat (over 100') who had a foreign flag, so I said: shouldn't you put a disclaimer that it is only for sale or charter to non US resident and the person told me, no, the tax is paid, etc.
So you might be going through a lots of trouble for nothing as the next owner is likely to change again the flag...

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Blue Haven Marina, Turks & Caicos



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On Wed, 1/27/16, Mike Johnson mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] De-flagging
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2016, 3:18 AM


 









Hi
Stephanie,
Pierre-Andrea
Jeanne, Pierre-Andre
Jeanne Yacht Broker | World Superyacht , de-flagged
ours in France and may be able to give you some
advice.
Mike &
Peta
SolitudeSM2K
461


On Wednesday, January
27, 2016 7:21 AM, "Germain Jean-Pierre
jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 









Hello Stéphanie,
I forwarded your email to a mate,
a senior member at YCF (Yacht Club de France)… you know
the type?  Hooty snooty??  :-)
Lets see what he
suggests.
Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu
007


On 27 Jan 2016, at 03:14,
Stephanie DiBelardino stephiedib@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 



Our 46' Santorin is flagged
in France. We want to de-flag her so that she can be
registered and sold in the US. I tried to search on how to
de-flag a pleasure boat registered in France but was not
successful. I have sent an inquiry to a maritine office in
LaRochelle, but have not yet received an answer. Can anyone
offer any advice!



Many thanks,

Stephanie

Santorin "Bianca"

Lying Grand Bahama Island
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] De-flagging

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Stephanie,

Pierre-Andrea Jeanne, Pierre-Andre Jeanne Yacht Broker | World Superyacht , de-flagged ours in France and may be able to give you some advice.

Mike & Peta

Solitude
SM2K 461



On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:21 AM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hello Stéphanie,

I forwarded your email to a mate, a senior member at YCF (Yacht Club de France)… you know the type?  Hooty snooty??  :-)

Lets see what he suggests.

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007



On 27 Jan 2016, at 03:14, Stephanie DiBelardino stephiedib@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Our 46' Santorin is flagged in France. We want to de-flag her so that she can be registered and sold in the US. I tried to search on how to de-flag a pleasure boat registered in France but was not successful. I have sent an inquiry to a maritine office in LaRochelle, but have not yet received an answer. Can anyone offer any advice!

Many thanks,
Stephanie
Santorin "Bianca"
Lying Grand Bahama Island


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Loose bolt on rudder hinge SM2K

Beaute Olivier
 

Hi Derick,

the purpose of these both  screws is to hold the nylon bearing into the stainless steel belt. The nylon bearing can live without screws. If you replace the original screw, don't make it too long, otherwise, if your long screw goes all the way through the bearing, it could affect the rudder shaft.

Olivier


On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:22 AM, "derickgates@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Duane, the bolt appears to be initially threaded in the stainless steel of the hinge and then further penetrates a nylon or Teflon cylinder, keeping the cylinder in place. I cannot tell if the cylinder is threaded or not.

Derick
SM2K #400 Brava



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] De-flagging

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Stéphanie,

I forwarded your email to a mate, a senior member at YCF (Yacht Club de France)… you know the type?  Hooty snooty??  :-)

Lets see what he suggests.

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007



On 27 Jan 2016, at 03:14, Stephanie DiBelardino stephiedib@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our 46' Santorin is flagged in France. We want to de-flag her so that she can be registered and sold in the US. I tried to search on how to de-flag a pleasure boat registered in France but was not successful. I have sent an inquiry to a maritine office in LaRochelle, but have not yet received an answer. Can anyone offer any advice!

Many thanks,
Stephanie
Santorin "Bianca"
Lying Grand Bahama Island


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De-flagging

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Our 46' Santorin is flagged in France. We want to de-flag her so that she can be registered and sold in the US. I tried to search on how to de-flag a pleasure boat registered in France but was not successful. I have sent an inquiry to a maritine office in LaRochelle, but have not yet received an answer. Can anyone offer any advice!

Many thanks,
Stephanie
Santorin "Bianca"
Lying Grand Bahama Island


Re: Loose bolt on rudder hinge SM2K

Derick Gates
 

Duane, the bolt appears to be initially threaded in the stainless steel of the hinge and then further penetrates a nylon or Teflon cylinder, keeping the cylinder in place. I cannot tell if the cylinder is threaded or not.

Derick
SM2K #400 Brava


Re: Loose bolt on rudder hinge SM2K

Duane Siegfri
 

Derick,

What is the purpose of the bolt?  Does it screw into the skeg?  Is the skeg internally threaded for the bolt?

Thanks for posting this, I was very curious.

Duane
Wanderer SM #477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Gary,

Aletes will be moving from Atigua to BVI next week. If you are there I’d like to meet you.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 9:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo





Gary, when should we switch to your new site? I have registered, but most folks still seem to be using Yahoo.

Jamie Wendell



s/v Phantom Amel 54



On Monday, January 25, 2016 6:07 PM, "@svadagio [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:





Hi Jim,



You fill out your model in your profile section. You can also add it to your signature which appears on every post.

It would be a manual effort, but not much of one, to assemble a simple spreadsheet of user names by model or model to user name and have that available.



Gary W.

S/V Adagio SM 209

BVI











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Re: Loose bolt on rudder hinge SM2K

Derick Gates
 

I removed the loose bolt, and found it to be much shorter (10mm) than was warranted.  I have replaced it with an 8 X 30 mm stainless steel bolt, which screwed in tightly.  

Derick
SM2K #400 Brava


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

alainfeuillet@...
 

Hi Gary,
Ok to help you as moderator on this basis. I guess you will tell me when and how to start with the job.
Alain (PILGRIM)