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Dry dock bilge usage?

Joe Nance
 

Hi All,


Tracie & I are returning to the States for 1 - 2 months and have had the boat hauled at the Caicos shipyard in Providenciales.  She is secured in their 'Hurricane Section' which has large cement blocks buried about 8' down for their anchors.


My question is; Should the power to the automatic bilge be left on?  There is no power available to the boat while it's hauled. To conserve the batteries, I'm trying to decide if I should disconnect all of the power at the batteries via the two large red handles or should they be left on so that the bilge can operate?  What happens it the boat gets a large amount of rain during a storm or hurricane when it is secured on dry land?


I know that while in the water if the cockpit is hit with a lot of water it is supposed to evacuate it rapidly,, but I don't know exactly how this is accomplished.


Thank you,


Joe & Tracie

SV CloudStreet, hull 331

Providenciales, TCI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

We had a new ATN "Gale Sail" on board, but the conditions prohibited bending this sail on to the Genoa Furler. I sold the Gale Sail afterwards...it had never been used. We mostly used about 2.3 meters of the Genoa and about half of the Mizzen for most of the high winds. When winds subsided to about 35kts, we added about 50% the main and more of the Genoa. We preferred to keep the boat speed under 7kts.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:44 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you Bill!

That trigger an other question,
What canvas did you use at that condition?
We made very good speed at 30 knots of wind with half the Genua pooled out, but I guess it difficult to have it further furled I got the impression that the top will "fall" out and flog a lot if further furled:
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?

Paul Osterberg
 

Ian, thank you, good to know the response level you used , we just changed our course computer to the S3G, the earlier one only had three levels not to much to choose but now 9 levels.
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Bill!
That trigger an other question,
What canvas did you use at that condition?
We made very good speed at 30 knots of wind with half the Genua pooled out, but I guess it difficult to have it further furled I got the impression that the top will "fall" out and flog a lot if further furled:
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Espar d5lc knob broke..replacement?

karkauai
 

I bought one last year Alex.  Not on the boat, so can't tell you where or part number.  I'll see if I can find it and let you know.
Having 5th eye surgery today, so might be a few days.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon,

The knob of my Espar (D5LC) broke…
Does any one as a source for spare parts?

Picture: http://nikimat.com/espar_d5lc/espar_d5lc_knob.jpg

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


[Amel Yacht Owners] Espar d5lc knob broke..replacement?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

The knob of my Espar (D5LC) broke…
Does any one as a source for spare parts?

Picture: http://nikimat.com/espar_d5lc/espar_d5lc_knob.jpg


Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

When in the Indian Ocean Bay of Bengal we encountered a Cyclone with 50ish knots and about 7 meter waves. It's a long story, but we ran with this cyclone in an anti-clockwise direction for 5 days with the linear pilot. It operated fine.

I prefer the linear because the rotary is noisier and because the linear seems to be quicker.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Aug 26, 2016 7:50 AM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Last trip we had was in 30-40 knots of tail wind and not to large following sea. The autopilot had to work a lot to keep the course, but it copped very well. My thought was, which system is more robust the rotary- or the linear drive? good to know when we in the future might encounter more severe weather

Before purchasing our Amel SM we inspected a few SM and one owner which I believe had great experience claimed that he use the rotary drive in tougher conditions, as he once broke the connection between the Linear drive and rudder "wheel/quadrant" He thought that was stronger.

Anyone has a opinion/knowledge about this?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?

Ian Park
 

I don't have any technical knowledge, just my personal experience. My previous boat had a Raymarine linear drive on the quadrant. It performed well, but after 10 years needed refurbishment of the heavily worn gears. The boat weighed 7 tons on a semi balanced rudder.
Our Santorin, same as the SM, does not have a balanced rudder and weighs in at just over 15 tons. The steering is very light (quite a high gearing and consequently not much 'feel' to the wheel), so is very easy to turn in heavy seas etc.
I only have the Raymarine rotary drive, plus a spare drive unit which I can swap in 10 minutes (and a Hydrovane).
The chain drive can be noisy, but on off wind sailing in a small sea we can put the response level down to 1 or 2 (on a 9 point scale). Otherwise it tends to stay on 3, sometimes 4. In heavy seas going downwind we have to turn the response rate up to 6 or 7.
I know people find the chain drive noisy and have a switched linear drive to a linear one on the quadrant (which can be noisy fir someone off watch I the aft cabin.
I am guessing from my comments that there is less pressure on the linear drive system because of the easy steering gearing. So it may come down more to the noise factor on extended passages whether you choose just one or both versions. The backup, however, is very reassuring.
I don't mind being kept awake at the wheel on night watch and on our Santorin we always sleep in the calm of the aft cabin!!

Others will have better technical advice. Good luck!

Ian

Ocean Hobo. SN96


Which Autopilot drive Rotary or Linear?

Paul Osterberg
 

Last trip we had was in 30-40 knots of tail wind and not to large following sea. The autopilot had to work a lot to keep the course, but it copped very well. My thought was, which system is more robust the rotary- or the linear drive? good to know when we in the future might encounter more severe weather

Before purchasing our Amel SM we inspected a few SM and one owner which I believe had great experience claimed that he use the rotary drive in tougher conditions, as he once broke the connection between the Linear drive and rudder "wheel/quadrant" He thought that was stronger.

Anyone has a opinion/knowledge about this?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reya Bilge Pump

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Very recently this gear was available from SAV"at"Amel.fr and from Emek Marine in Turkey  cagdas"at"emekmarin.com

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Aug 25, 2016 10:09 PM, "seagasm@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have discovered the nylon gear cog on the main bilge pump has broken. This causes the gear to slip when engaged. Ideally I would ike to replace this gear wheel however, I am not getting any response from Reya and there does not seem to be any information in the "Files" folder on pumps. Does anyone have a contact at Reya or otherwise please? Thank you.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom Paint SeaHawk's Island44

karkauai
 

As of two years ago, SeaHawk's Island44, their tin based paint, was still legal in the US for boats over 75 ft LOA.  Like Ric said, many if not most commercial ships use this or similar tin based paints, as does the US Navy.  It's not illegal to buy it in the US, but it is illegal to put it on a boat less than 75ft long.

I painted Kristy's bottom with this in Trinidad several years ago.  It lasted 4 1/2 + years in difficult conditions (brackish water in 6-8 ft tidal flow).  Unfortunately I was given bad information by a vendor when it was time to repaint.  Nothing sticks to this paint but more Island 44!  If you're going to put something else over it, you have to strip it chemically in an enclosed space, and dispose of residue in a lined landfill.

It is a great paint and is available in most of the world.  When it is time for me to repaint, I will use it again, and I'll buy enough to repaint again.  That should give me close to ten years of a trouble-free bottom.

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:09 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Have a read of this :

Sea Hawk Paints executives get prison terms in banned-coating case

 



Tin based paints are banned nearly everywhere in the world, for good reason.

I wouldn't trust this company at all.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437..still in Koumac



Whoa, Seahawk in Fl still making great paint. Some tin paints like Seahawk 44 is Only sold outside the USA. It has lasted 4 years in the islands (hauled 4 months/yr). Works in Annapolis (brackish) too. Now on second yr  expect 2 more. used 2 coats, third at waterline. Most yards here avoid sanding due to regulations, Don't!  Guess what the Navy uses.
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

Show message history

We're not in the Caribbean but in the Pacific.

We used Seahawk Cukote in 2014 before heading to Tahiti, it seemed to be OK until we arrived in New Zealand. After 3 months in the marina at gulf harbour we had a vegetable garden growing underneath, neighbouring boats didn't have this issue.
The Seahawk dealer didn't want to know about my fouling issues.
I since learnt that the executives of the company that makes Seahawk products were prosecuted (jailed?) for continuing to sell tin based paints in the US when they declared to the FDA that they had stopped. 
We since changed to Micron 77 ( I used micron 66 on my previous boat for years with excellent results except for one year which I believe was due to the painter adding thinners to the antifouling - Bill, Bebe knows all about that!) and it seems to be good.
My two penny worth.....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Koumac, New Caledonia


Re: Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Walter
 

Hi Alan,
sounds good. Going backward and forward and turning an bit and remember the number of turns - if there is a tie and you try pulling both cables from their motor side you might see it/something where the lower/outhaul cable comes out.
Good luck,
Walter (Noa SM2K 436)


Re: Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Walter,
OK, I'll try that and see if I can get the cable out.
I've managed to pry the brush holder out of the plastic holder on deck, and I used silver solder flux and silver solder to solder the cable to the brush holder, after cleaning everything with a small wire brush...it's working for the moment but I've just ordered a new motor from Maude and I'll keep the old one as a spare just in case.
If I can't get the cable out I thought I would just cut it and use a pair of heavy duty crimp connectors to connect the new motor to the existing cable...life seems to always be a compromise.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Reya Bilge Pump

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Well, it sounds like the same white gear that broke on our AMFA (note, not-Reya) bilge pump.  Amel sent us a replacement gear for €129.35, ex-VAT, plus shipping, a couple of years ago.

Cheerio,





---In amelyachtowners@..., <seagasm@...> wrote :

Yes, the motor turns a spiral pinion geared to drive the gear wheel, bit like a differential. The gear wheel has a plastic or neoprene ring gear pressed onto the alluminium gear wheel, like the ring gear of a flywheel. The gearwheel operates a piston lever that operates the pump diaphram to pump the bilge. It is the plastic/neoprene ring gear that has broken and the ring gear is slipping around the gear wheel that operates the lever action for the diaphram. Hope that makes sense. I sent another email to Reya but have had no reply. Pity these French sites don't translate to English, especially when they manufacture to distribute world wide.

Thank you for your interest.

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM 171


Re: Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Walter
 

Hi Alan,
I took the outhaul motor and gearbox apart last year, refurbished the motor and got a new gearbox. No problem with the cables - maybe yours are wrapped around each other by coincidence and you are able to unwrapp them carefully trying this way and the other where they appear in the forward head.
The Leroy Somer technician insisted that the cable has to be hard-soldered to the brush holder connection. This cannot be done when the brass brush-holder is in place, but it can be slipped out of its plastic housing. Then you can hard solder (I used silver) and slip it in again. But hard soldering can´t be done nicely on the deck of the boat, so you are back to getting the cable out.
The plastic housing of the brush holder and it´s brass inner part is standard equipment for electric motors.

Kind regards,
Walter (Noa, SM2K 436)


Re: Reya Bilge Pump

seagasm@...
 

Yes, the motor turns a spiral pinion geared to drive the gear wheel, bit like a differential. The gear wheel has a plastic or neoprene ring gear pressed onto the alluminium gear wheel, like the ring gear of a flywheel. The gearwheel operates a piston lever that operates the pump diaphram to pump the bilge. It is the plastic/neoprene ring gear that has broken and the ring gear is slipping around the gear wheel that operates the lever action for the diaphram. Hope that makes sense. I sent another email to Reya but have had no reply. Pity these French sites don't translate to English, especially when they manufacture to distribute world wide.

Thank you for your interest.

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM 171


Leroy Somer Outhaul motor

Alan Leslie
 

I have had serious problems with the outhaul motor. It has been previously repaired and the wire/ brush holder connection is not good.

I've previously taken it apart on deck to resolder the wires as the cable is long enough just to have it sit on a box at the mast foot.

I tried to take the outhaul motor completely off the other day. Getting it off the gearbox is no issue, but the cable won't come out of the mast..it seems that the furling motor cable and the outhaul motor cable are tied together inside the mast..if I pull on one cable the other one moves with it even though I have the outhaul motor disconnected from the solenoid in the fwd head.

Does anyone have any advice on how to remove the cable from the mast ?

Thanks

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 


Re: Reya Bilge Pump

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello, is this the gear that turns the rotary action of the motor into the pistoning action the pump needs?

Regards,


Peregrinus
SM2K #350
At anchor, Olbia


---In amelyachtowners@..., <seagasm@...> wrote :

I have discovered the nylon gear cog on the main bilge pump has broken. This causes the gear to slip when engaged. Ideally I would ike to replace this gear wheel however, I am not getting any response from Reya and there does not seem to be any information in the "Files" folder on pumps. Does anyone have a contact at Reya or otherwise please? Thank you.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom Paint time

Alan Leslie
 

Have a read of this :

Sea Hawk Paints executives get prison terms in banned-coating case

 



Tin based paints are banned nearly everywhere in the world, for good reason.

I wouldn't trust this company at all.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437..still in Koumac



Whoa, Seahawk in Fl still making great paint. Some tin paints like Seahawk 44 is Only sold outside the USA. It has lasted 4 years in the islands (hauled 4 months/yr). Works in Annapolis (brackish) too. Now on second yr  expect 2 more. used 2 coats, third at waterline. Most yards here avoid sanding due to regulations, Don't!  Guess what the Navy uses.
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

Show message history

We're not in the Caribbean but in the Pacific.

We used Seahawk Cukote in 2014 before heading to Tahiti, it seemed to be OK until we arrived in New Zealand. After 3 months in the marina at gulf harbour we had a vegetable garden growing underneath, neighbouring boats didn't have this issue.
The Seahawk dealer didn't want to know about my fouling issues.
I since learnt that the executives of the company that makes Seahawk products were prosecuted (jailed?) for continuing to sell tin based paints in the US when they declared to the FDA that they had stopped. 
We since changed to Micron 77 ( I used micron 66 on my previous boat for years with excellent results except for one year which I believe was due to the painter adding thinners to the antifouling - Bill, Bebe knows all about that!) and it seems to be good.
My two penny worth.....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Koumac, New Caledonia


Reya Bilge Pump

seagasm@...
 

I have discovered the nylon gear cog on the main bilge pump has broken. This causes the gear to slip when engaged. Ideally I would ike to replace this gear wheel however, I am not getting any response from Reya and there does not seem to be any information in the "Files" folder on pumps. Does anyone have a contact at Reya or otherwise please? Thank you.


Kind Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM #171