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Re: How much Solar?

Justin Maguire
 

Has anyone experienced the 50 with the lithium? 

My new 50..  which because of covid I won’t set foot on until April 1 when she arrives in the US... has 800ah of 24v mastervolt lithium (which I could almost not believe). 

I’ve got the new gn-espace induction stove...

She currently has 600watts of solar on the davits, and 575 on the hard top... I could go up to 1000 on the davits by wanted to see if this setup would work before making the davits into a full blown flight deck 🤣

Anyway.. I’m dying to see what the real world usage will be and how often I’ll have to run the gen set... ideally this setup should provide for a very independent and luxurious setup but real world vs. theory are always different...

Anyone out there have the lithium on the 50 (or the 60 for that matter as it’s the same)?

Scott - your numbers make me sooper optimistic...

Aching to see my new baby in person...

Sv Fregata - amel50 #43



Cheers,
-Justin 



On Feb 1, 2021, at 16:44, Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:


Hello Billy, I just increased my solar to 2 @ 335w panels on a stern arch (670w total). In January in Antigua I'm averaging just under 3kw per day but it is increasing slightly as the days get longer. Location around the island impacts cloud cover! (Currently ranging from 2.5kW to 3.6KW)

We typically consume about 140AH (3.7KW) at anchor. So I have a daily deficit that ranges from 5AH to 40AH. 

I have 400 AH of LiFePo4, so I can now go extended time without running the genset. Basically I run the genset when I want to run the watermaker and then add 30-60amps of charging to load the generator up to about 19-21 amps and add some charge to the batteries.

This is so much better than when I was running the generator daily to keep the batteries charged.

The downside of my new situation is that I used to also keep the water heater hot with the daily generator runs. Now I need to rewire my 230v side so that I can periodically run the water heater from the inverter.

Hope that helps with and additional data point. 

Best regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 11:49 AM Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:
I dont know if this has been addressed before but besides an answer of as much as possible, what are peoples experiences? 
My 55 currently has 750W (2 × 375w LG) on the davitts. I am debating bumping this to 3 panels.

I dont have lithium and dont intend to do that ub
Neil my new GELs die, hopefully in 4 or 5 years.

I suspect 750W will be enough in a sunny location at anchor to avoid running the generator most days. Our boat drops from 100% to 70% overnight or about 200aH. So, at anchor, I figure just under 400aH a day or about 5kw. I dont know if that's high or now. Our boat is pretty stock as fitted.
If I'm moving then I will need to run the genset no matter what because of radar, auto pilot etc, I suspect. 
I'd appreciate other people's experience with Amels.

Billy
Amel 55#56


Re: How much Solar?

Dan Carlson
 

Hello Billy, I just increased my solar to 2 @ 335w panels on a stern arch (670w total). In January in Antigua I'm averaging just under 3kw per day but it is increasing slightly as the days get longer. Location around the island impacts cloud cover! (Currently ranging from 2.5kW to 3.6KW)

We typically consume about 140AH (3.7KW) at anchor. So I have a daily deficit that ranges from 5AH to 40AH. 

I have 400 AH of LiFePo4, so I can now go extended time without running the genset. Basically I run the genset when I want to run the watermaker and then add 30-60amps of charging to load the generator up to about 19-21 amps and add some charge to the batteries.

This is so much better than when I was running the generator daily to keep the batteries charged.

The downside of my new situation is that I used to also keep the water heater hot with the daily generator runs. Now I need to rewire my 230v side so that I can periodically run the water heater from the inverter.

Hope that helps with and additional data point. 

Best regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 11:49 AM Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:
I dont know if this has been addressed before but besides an answer of as much as possible, what are peoples experiences? 
My 55 currently has 750W (2 × 375w LG) on the davitts. I am debating bumping this to 3 panels.

I dont have lithium and dont intend to do that ub
Neil my new GELs die, hopefully in 4 or 5 years.

I suspect 750W will be enough in a sunny location at anchor to avoid running the generator most days. Our boat drops from 100% to 70% overnight or about 200aH. So, at anchor, I figure just under 400aH a day or about 5kw. I dont know if that's high or now. Our boat is pretty stock as fitted.
If I'm moving then I will need to run the genset no matter what because of radar, auto pilot etc, I suspect. 
I'd appreciate other people's experience with Amels.

Billy
Amel 55#56


Re: Cracked Forestay Chainplate

Matt Salatino
 

It’s likely that the “Y” had to be welded.
It’s very difficult to maintain the metallurgy of stainless, the proper mix of chromium, nickel, etc, through the welding process. Putting that welded chainplate on the bow, constantly washed by salt water, is asking for trouble. No wonder they changed the design. Good move.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino A50 #27

On Feb 1, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

For what it's worth, it looks like Amel changed the forestay chainplate design for the Super Maramu.  Our forestay chainplate is one solid piece of stainless steel:

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--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Cracked Forestay Chainplate

Mark McGovern
 

For what it's worth, it looks like Amel changed the forestay chainplate design for the Super Maramu.  Our forestay chainplate is one solid piece of stainless steel:



--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: How much Solar?

michael winand
 

We have 3 345w lg panels. In a good summer day we can see 7kw. Max watts peaks at 1150w to 1200w.
This is with Firefly batteries.  If they top off the batteries early in the morning I will switch on the water heater or 1 air-conditioning unit. 
We are very pleased with the solar system, genset hours are reduced by 70%.
Michael, Nebo sm251 


On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 1:49 am, Billy Newport
<billy@...> wrote:
I dont know if this has been addressed before but besides an answer of as much as possible, what are peoples experiences? 
My 55 currently has 750W (2 × 375w LG) on the davitts. I am debating bumping this to 3 panels.

I dont have lithium and dont intend to do that ub
Neil my new GELs die, hopefully in 4 or 5 years.

I suspect 750W will be enough in a sunny location at anchor to avoid running the generator most days. Our boat drops from 100% to 70% overnight or about 200aH. So, at anchor, I figure just under 400aH a day or about 5kw. I dont know if that's high or now. Our boat is pretty stock as fitted.
If I'm moving then I will need to run the genset no matter what because of radar, auto pilot etc, I suspect. 
I'd appreciate other people's experience with Amels.

Billy
Amel 55#56


Re: How much Solar?

Karen Smith
 

Billy,

Our usage is pretty consistent, an average of between 200 and 250 W while at anchor, and 325W or a bit more when underway.  This is with two chest freezers, and the front opening galley fridge which are the big usage hogs.  This is separate from the power needed for the water maker or laundry.  We have a smaller battery bank of 464 Amp-hrs, and the typical consumption we see over night is MUCH less than what you are seeing.  Typically, our SOC drops about 15 to 18% overnight, significantly less than 100 Amp-hrs.  Our typical overall usage while at anchor for 24 hours is about 180 to 200 Amp-hrs with about half this amount being supplied by our panels.  All those numbers shift a bit depending on weather and temperature.

Our solar panels rate out at about 630W, and we typically run the generator every other day.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: How much Solar?

Mark McGovern
 

Billy,

This thread has some great "real world" solar data in it: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/topic/32721714  

Pay particular attention to the posts by Scott from Tengah (Amel 54) and Porter of Ibis (also an Amel 54).

To summarize, Tengah has 960 Watts of solar and was able to average ~5400 Wh/day into it's house bank over the course of a month.  Note, Tengah has an LiFePo4 battery bank.  Ibis has a similar size solar array at 945 Watts but it has an AGM battery bank.  Porter doesn't give an exact amount of Wh/day put into his house bank but looking at the image he posted of his solar data, it appears to be less than half the amount that Tengah is able to put in.  The difference is mainly due to the significantly reduced charge acceptance rate of Lead Acid vs LFP batteries at higher SOCs.

So while adding a third solar panel will help, it won't likely eliminate the need for you to run the generator every day.  At least not until you change out your batteries from lead acid to something with a much higher charge acceptance rate at high states of charge.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Cracked Forestay Chainplate

Karen Smith
 

Ellen,

This kind of failure is not unusual with stainless steel, and can be seen on many stainless parts in saltwater service, especially those under cyclical loads just like your headstay chainplate.

We had this happen with one of our jib cars, and if I zoom in close on your photo, I am pretty sure the same scenario presents itself.  https://fetchinketch.net/2019/07/26/failure-analysis/

The other place I have seen this happen on our boat is in the shackles on the boom outhaul cars. The usual assumption is they break because of overloading, when they actually have been greatly weakened by nearly invisible crevice corrosion before the failure.

The shape of this piece and its location on your boat means that it is very hard to actually give it a really effective visual inspection, even if it was removed from the boat and in hand.

The best way to prevent it is to be sure than any welding is first class, by somebody who really knows stainless steel, and it is fully electropolished afterwards so there are no pits or cracks for corrosion to get started.  Then careful inspection on a regular basis with a magnifier looking for incipient cracks.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Charleston, SC, USA


Re: Onan ballbearing check and valves values

Stephan Regulinski
 

Oliver H. et al.,

I have a Onan model MDKAL, vintage 2000, so twenty years old now. My Operator's Manual, which has the maintenance schedule, says:



Outer race rotation is the probable result of a frozen or damaged bearing. Deteriorating grease is the likely precursor to a frozen or damaged bearing. But you can't inspect the grease, since this is a sealed bearing, so the only thing you can look for is evidence that the bearing is failing.

That said, this thread suggests to me that failure of this bearing is very rare. If it was common, you'd expect the factory engineers to be quicker with explainations, you'd think Onan techs would be familiar with replacing it; and you'd expect the Amel community to have some war stories about it (like we have for the outhaul gearbox or raw water hydrant plumbing). 

Based on all this, I suspect the maintenance schedule on this part is too frequent. My manual says to change every five years, the Onan tech in Panama City who adjusted the valve lash (and wouldn't do the bearing) said every 2000 hours, which for me would stretch that to eight years. 

My Onan is at just over 5000 hours. I will replace the bearing this year and, if the off bearing shows no evidence of damage or excessive wear, will increase the interval to 3000 hours. It's possible that the original bearing is still in the genset (I've no maintenance logs from the first two owners). 

With an upgrade in solar panels (and decrease in genset use), it'll last the rest of my natural life. If not, I'll let you know.

Stephan Regulinski
S/V Hanalei SMM266


How much Solar?

Billy Newport
 

I dont know if this has been addressed before but besides an answer of as much as possible, what are peoples experiences? 
My 55 currently has 750W (2 × 375w LG) on the davitts. I am debating bumping this to 3 panels.

I dont have lithium and dont intend to do that ub
Neil my new GELs die, hopefully in 4 or 5 years.

I suspect 750W will be enough in a sunny location at anchor to avoid running the generator most days. Our boat drops from 100% to 70% overnight or about 200aH. So, at anchor, I figure just under 400aH a day or about 5kw. I dont know if that's high or now. Our boat is pretty stock as fitted.
If I'm moving then I will need to run the genset no matter what because of radar, auto pilot etc, I suspect. 
I'd appreciate other people's experience with Amels.

Billy
Amel 55#56


Sub-Group - Commercial

 

After a lengthy trial, I have closed the Commerical Sub-Group. About 95% of the activity was at least 1 SPAM message a day, which I had to filter and manually delete. 

We tried, but it was much more trouble than it was worth.

We have 2 active Sub Groups: Yachts For Sale and Share Parts. Of these, Yachts for Sale is by far the most active.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Cracked Forestay Chainplate

Ellen Cahill
 

We recently cross the Atlantic in Saol Nua, a 1986 Mango. Just before sitting down to breakfast to mark our halfway point we spotted a very significant break in our forestay chainplate. With 1200nm to go I was extremely anxious but also very grateful we spotted it before the mast came down. We decided to furl in the Genoa for the remainder of the journey and using two spare bottle screws secured the forestay to the two bow cleats. We also attached the inner forestay.  We checked the condition of the plate every 2 hours for the remainder of the journey. 

On the mango the chainplate is an upsidedown 'Y'. One half had severed completely and a crack had initiated in the other. I inspected the rigging before we departed but I suspect evidence of a crack may have been on the inside of the plate. We had 20knots on the aft quarter and fairly calm seas so it pointed to an issue existing prior to our departure.

Thankfully we made it will the rig intact and have since replaced the chainplate. I climb the mast and carefully check the rig before any passage over 24hours but now, with the boat that bit older I'll be keeping an eye on the chainplates! 

Any else ever seen this happen?

Ellen Cahill,
SV Saol Nua
Mango #45


Amel 55 Fwd shower valve leaking

Billy Newport
 

I noticed yesterday that the fwd shower is dripping when turned off. It looks like a Paffoni brand shower mixer, the other taps in the bathrooms are similar brand.

Is there a rebuild kit for these? New washer or something? How do I remove the panel to get behind the shower fittings to service them. I can see screws on the top and bottom of the aft shower tap "box" but the fwd one has nothing obvious.

Billy
Amel 55#56


Re: A/C Heating unit thermal cut out

 

In Europe email info"at"veco-na.com

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 8:34 AM Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:
Hi Steve,
If you are in Italy currently try this link:


The manufacturer of Climma A/C units is an italian brand!
Hope this helps Onsite👍

Best and sty Safe.
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ A54#088
 

Am 30.01.2021 um 15:26 schrieb Steve Bell <stevejb59@...>:

Hi Bill,
          We are in Italy so ordering from US is a problem, the unit is not tripping i fixed that problem a while back, the heater is just not working, the element is fine just the thermal cut out is open circuit i just need to replace the thermal cut out, i can order this locally i just need wanted to confirm the cut out temperture i assume it will be around 33-35 Celsius.

Regards

Steve
s/v Dusk #378


Re: A/C Heating unit thermal cut out

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Hi Steve,
If you are in Italy currently try this link:


The manufacturer of Climma A/C units is an italian brand!
Hope this helps Onsite👍

Best and sty Safe.
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ A54#088
 

Am 30.01.2021 um 15:26 schrieb Steve Bell <stevejb59@...>:

Hi Bill,
          We are in Italy so ordering from US is a problem, the unit is not tripping i fixed that problem a while back, the heater is just not working, the element is fine just the thermal cut out is open circuit i just need to replace the thermal cut out, i can order this locally i just need wanted to confirm the cut out temperture i assume it will be around 33-35 Celsius.

Regards

Steve
s/v Dusk #378


Re: A/C Heating unit thermal cut out

Steve Bell
 

Hi Bill,
          We are in Italy so ordering from US is a problem, the unit is not tripping i fixed that problem a while back, the heater is just not working, the element is fine just the thermal cut out is open circuit i just need to replace the thermal cut out, i can order this locally i just need wanted to confirm the cut out temperture i assume it will be around 33-35 Celsius.

Regards

Steve
s/v Dusk #378


Re: A/C Heating unit thermal cut out

 

Steve, 

I do not know, but you can buy it at info"at"coastalclimatecontrol.com They also sell the fan capacitors. You did not say where you are located. I gave you a US source. 

But, let me assure you that 99% of the time the reason that trips is lack of airflow, and almost all of the time the cause is one or more of the fan capacitors is out of spec. You will not notice the reduced airflow. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 4:34 AM Steve Bell <stevejb59@...> wrote:
Hi All,
         Can anyone give me the specification for the thermal cut off (thermistor) on the climma ac unit. Our heater is not working and I have ascertained it is the thermal cut off which is faulty, I need to know what temp the one on there cuts off at,  so I can order a new one.

Regards

Steve
s/v Dusk #378


A/C Heating unit thermal cut out

Steve Bell
 

Hi All,
         Can anyone give me the specification for the thermal cut off (thermistor) on the climma ac unit. Our heater is not working and I have ascertained it is the thermal cut off which is faulty, I need to know what temp the one on there cuts off at,  so I can order a new one.

Regards

Steve
s/v Dusk #378


Re: ACMO Rigging

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Bill. Thank you for these responses. You are absolutely right. As well it was helpful to see acmos detailed responses.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 January 2021 at 02:49 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

All, more information on chrome plating today vs chrome plating yesterday.

Laetitia Boudon < " target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-mce-href="mailto:laetitia@...>">laetitia@...> (laetitia"at"acmo.fr) wrote the following:

I forgot to tell you that the products for chrome plating are also weaker than before, always to protect nature. People need to understand this :) ACMO quality is still there!
Regarding her comm ent, "always to protect nature," I did some research and found the US EPA and the EU EPA has caused all of us some issues with chrome plating today vs yesterday.
https://www.pfonline.com/articles/hard-chrome-plating-its-past-present-and-future

--
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: ACMO Rigging

Alain Durante
 

Dear Bill,

 

I agree 100% that Laeticia is very helpful and very kind. I just ordered a new rigging for Meige with stainless turnbuckle. I am also going to change the electric jib furler with a FACNOR EF+550S.

 

Cordialement,

Alain Durante

 

A54#21 / SV Meige

South of France

 

De : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> De la part de CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
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Objet : Re: [AmelYachtOwners] ACMO Rigging

 

When you order, order from Laetitia Boudon <Laetitia"at"acmo.fr>. Thank her for the information and thank her for me.

 

Bill

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On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 9:25 AM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

We are also about to order complete replacement rigging from ACMO so the timing of this information could not be better. We are pleased that these issues have been pointed out to us as part of this forum.

 

Kind regards

Ross and Donna

SV INTREPID KIWI

SM2K #356

Currently in Turkey


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On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:19 pm, Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

I have just changed my order on Acmo to stainless.

 

Thank you Bill.

 

Peter

Peter Forbes

CARANGO

Amel 54 #035

La Rochelle

00447836 209730

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On 29 Jan 2021, at 14:17, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

Well done Bill from start to finish! A concern to all of us nearing replacing standing rigging and
you did a good job in keeping the group positive.

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