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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bil,

I have an ALU AB 9.5 with a Yamaha 15 HP 2 stroke… goes like stink and was a factor in my recent starboard knee refit.  Nice and dry with very large tubes (Hypalon).  A previous post of yours where you commented about the towing ability with 15 HP was instrumental in my choice.

The AB choice fitted all legal requirements to use a 15 HP.  No brainer… works for us and we stow it on the fore deck on passage.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 30 Jun 2016, at 13:10, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

JP,

I do not remember what dinghy you have. 

Facts:
We have a 310 and previously had a 320. To get the dinghy to lay in that area upside down you have to put the aft tubes on either side of the mizzen, which will somewhat alter the cockpit seating comfort in those two spots. 

Opinion:
The 260 is a little small for me (but generally big for Europeans) and you will certainly get wetter than in a larger dinghy. Additionally, your engine choices will be limited to about 9hp or less. Dinghies and outboards are very important choices because you will rely on them for much of your enjoyment when cruising the world.

Summary:
The 310 or 320 will take a 15hp engine which is large enough to push a SM up to 3kts (calm seas) with the dinghy tied fore and aft on the quarter of the SM. When cruising to distant shores a dinghy can sometimes be the only source to save you from grounding with engine failure, especially with no wind.

The 310 & 320 will fit upside down on the mizzen deck with the aft tubes against the starboard rail and lying at an angle with the bow of the dinghy against the aft port mizzen shroud. This position allows use of the starboard mizzen mid halyard to raise the dinghy with the electric main winch after you have used the same to raise the outboard motor. Access to the rear of the boat can be made on the port side faux-teak deck and the port side is sufficient for anything you want to do. The mizzen traveller is 100% free to travel from starboard to port. The only issue is deck connection of the mizzen boom preventer is blocked. A piece of line tied to the starboard chainplate is an easy solution.

BTW, it is very easy to use the port side mizzen halyard with a dinghy lifting harness to raise the dinghy with motor to deck level when at anchor to avoid fouling and theft. The dinghy will rest against the port chainplate. I use a very small fender between the dinghy and the chainplate and tie the dinghy fore and aft.

I hope this helps someone in making their choices.

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Trinidad

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Jean-Pierre Germain jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

If I had to buy again, I'd opt for a smaller rib equal or shorter than the mizzen mast to the mizzen traveler. 

A fit to measure for the aft deck ...,

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007



On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:07, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

This how we have solved it on S/Y Lady Annila. The Dinghy is a Carib CX8

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u8ufca4tt73dbq8/AAD8AxcANvAUU6IPK_LggbHCa?dl=0

 

/Regards

Annsofie

 

S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

 

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
Skickat: den 30 juni 2016 11:15
Till: amelyachtowners@...
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Ian,

   Thanks for the detailed information on the UL 260,  very helpful.  I will see if there might be a way to fit the 290 on the aft cabin top deflated without interference from the traveller but it does at least sound like the 260 would fit.  The videos showing the 260 also suggest to me that a bit more length would improve the stability.  I am wondering if eventually the aluminum will begin to corrode where it is pressed up against the tubes?  Hopefully that will not be an issue.  I never would have thought that a RIB could be as light as these dinghies,  quite a breakthrough I think.  I will let you know if I am able to fit the UL 290 and if so what I think of it.

Best,

James

Maramu #220  Sueno


On Jun 30, 2016, at 3:13 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The short answer is I don't know, our boat is in Grenada and we're in UK!
Previously we had a Quicksilver 275 air deck. It lasted 13 years. The sun in the Med and the Caribbean destroyed the inflatable deck. The tubes and floor are still going strong with friends who made a wooden floor for it. My experience of PVC has therefore been good as long as it isn't in the sun. One thing I have found with the hard hull and Hypalon tubes is that the tubes don't need to be inflated anywhere near the pressure of airdeck. Therefore they withstand the rigours of the big pressure variation in tropical sunlight.

The Highfield has had five months use. I have no reason to believe the powder coating will be an issue. It has taken a bit more abuse than the old PVC dinghy!

Our Santorin came with the Liferaft cradle on the aft deck. The UL260 transom sits over the top of it up against the mizzen mast. With all tubes deflated it seems well short of the edge of the coach roof ( but I don't know comparative lengths). I have an electric inflator in the lazarette so no hassle there. With the air deck the electric pump would not achieve the inflation pressure especially for the floor and had to be finished by hand pump.

The Quicksilver was rated at max 10 HP outboard. The Highfield had a lower figure in the book than on the transom. The high figure was 6 HP. We got the 9.8 2 stroke which was the same weight. I doubt if the 6 HP would get it on the plane with two up and the shopping. Previously we had a 3.3 2 stroke - the difference now is we no longer have to see how close to the shoreline we can anchor (a longer haul to shore is much quicker now).

I am pleased with the dinghy, but in retrospect I could have got the 290 on board inflated on the front deck. I think this would have achieved planing speeds even better. The length of the 260 hull does sacrifice a bit when turning and going over steeper chop.

The 260 doesn't row as well as the Quicksilver, the bow sits higher out of the water and is more affected by the wind. We tend to use the oars and paddle from either side of the bow sitting on the seat when we choose not to use the engine.

The boat had a beautiful padded seat cover and underseat zip up back. Excellent design, but disintegrated in the sun in 3 months.

Highfield have recognised the problem and have changed the material. They are sending me a new one. 

Sorry about the length of the saga, I guess you need to get some deflated sizes from Highfield. 
The weight is really good for two pensioners to haul aboard with the halliard and winch.

Good hunting

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96








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SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
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Re: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

Thank you! You have taken a lot of trial and error out of my future J

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:26 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

Mark,

 

For all passages of any length whatsoever:

The 310cm & 320cm will fit upside down on the mizzen deck with the aft tubes against the starboard rail and lying at an angle with the bow of the dinghy against the aft port mizzen shroud. This position allows use of the starboard mizzen mid halyard to raise the dinghy with the electric main winch after you have used the same to raise the outboard motor. Access to the rear of the boat can be made on the port side faux-teak deck and the port side is sufficient for anything you want to do. The mizzen traveller is 100% free to travel from starboard to port. The only issue is deck connection of the mizzen boom preventer is blocked. A piece of line tied to the starboard chainplate is an easy solution.

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:16 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

 

We are seriously considering the Highfield CL310. How and where do you secure your dink when underway?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

James,

 

Highfield and 3D Tender are made in the same factory and share designs and material.

 

You most likely will see 3D Tender in Europe.

 

I bought the 3D Tender brand in Martinique...Size is 310cm with a storage locker in the bow.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,

 

   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

 

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

 

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

 

Best,

James

 

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220

On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96

 

 

 

 
Re: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

For all passages of any length whatsoever:
The 310cm & 320cm will fit upside down on the mizzen deck with the aft tubes against the starboard rail and lying at an angle with the bow of the dinghy against the aft port mizzen shroud. This position allows use of the starboard mizzen mid halyard to raise the dinghy with the electric main winch after you have used the same to raise the outboard motor. Access to the rear of the boat can be made on the port side faux-teak deck and the port side is sufficient for anything you want to do. The mizzen traveller is 100% free to travel from starboard to port. The only issue is deck connection of the mizzen boom preventer is blocked. A piece of line tied to the starboard chainplate is an easy solution.

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:16 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

 

We are seriously considering the Highfield CL310. How and where do you secure your dink when underway?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

James,

 

Highfield and 3D Tender are made in the same factory and share designs and material.

 

You most likely will see 3D Tender in Europe.

 

I bought the 3D Tender brand in Martinique...Size is 310cm with a storage locker in the bow.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,

 

   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

 

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

 

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

 

Best,

James

 

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220

On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96

 

 

 
FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

We are seriously considering the Highfield CL310. How and where do you secure your dink when underway?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

James,

 

Highfield and 3D Tender are made in the same factory and share designs and material.

 

You most likely will see 3D Tender in Europe.

 

I bought the 3D Tender brand in Martinique...Size is 310cm with a storage locker in the bow.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,

 

   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

 

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

 

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

 

Best,

James

 

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220

On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96

 

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

JP,

I do not remember what dinghy you have. 

Facts:
We have a 310 and previously had a 320. To get the dinghy to lay in that area upside down you have to put the aft tubes on either side of the mizzen, which will somewhat alter the cockpit seating comfort in those two spots. 

Opinion:
The 260 is a little small for me (but generally big for Europeans) and you will certainly get wetter than in a larger dinghy. Additionally, your engine choices will be limited to about 9hp or less. Dinghies and outboards are very important choices because you will rely on them for much of your enjoyment when cruising the world.

Summary:
The 310 or 320 will take a 15hp engine which is large enough to push a SM up to 3kts (calm seas) with the dinghy tied fore and aft on the quarter of the SM. When cruising to distant shores a dinghy can sometimes be the only source to save you from grounding with engine failure, especially with no wind.

The 310 & 320 will fit upside down on the mizzen deck with the aft tubes against the starboard rail and lying at an angle with the bow of the dinghy against the aft port mizzen shroud. This position allows use of the starboard mizzen mid halyard to raise the dinghy with the electric main winch after you have used the same to raise the outboard motor. Access to the rear of the boat can be made on the port side faux-teak deck and the port side is sufficient for anything you want to do. The mizzen traveller is 100% free to travel from starboard to port. The only issue is deck connection of the mizzen boom preventer is blocked. A piece of line tied to the starboard chainplate is an easy solution.

BTW, it is very easy to use the port side mizzen halyard with a dinghy lifting harness to raise the dinghy with motor to deck level when at anchor to avoid fouling and theft. The dinghy will rest against the port chainplate. I use a very small fender between the dinghy and the chainplate and tie the dinghy fore and aft.

I hope this helps someone in making their choices.

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently Trinidad

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Jean-Pierre Germain jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

If I had to buy again, I'd opt for a smaller rib equal or shorter than the mizzen mast to the mizzen traveler. 

A fit to measure for the aft deck ...,

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007



On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:07, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

This how we have solved it on S/Y Lady Annila. The Dinghy is a Carib CX8

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u8ufca4tt73dbq8/AAD8AxcANvAUU6IPK_LggbHCa?dl=0

 

/Regards

Annsofie

 

S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

 

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
Skickat: den 30 juni 2016 11:15
Till: amelyachtowners@...
Ämne: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

Ian,

   Thanks for the detailed information on the UL 260,  very helpful.  I will see if there might be a way to fit the 290 on the aft cabin top deflated without interference from the traveller but it does at least sound like the 260 would fit.  The videos showing the 260 also suggest to me that a bit more length would improve the stability.  I am wondering if eventually the aluminum will begin to corrode where it is pressed up against the tubes?  Hopefully that will not be an issue.  I never would have thought that a RIB could be as light as these dinghies,  quite a breakthrough I think.  I will let you know if I am able to fit the UL 290 and if so what I think of it.

Best,

James

Maramu #220  Sueno


On Jun 30, 2016, at 3:13 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The short answer is I don't know, our boat is in Grenada and we're in UK!
Previously we had a Quicksilver 275 air deck. It lasted 13 years. The sun in the Med and the Caribbean destroyed the inflatable deck. The tubes and floor are still going strong with friends who made a wooden floor for it. My experience of PVC has therefore been good as long as it isn't in the sun. One thing I have found with the hard hull and Hypalon tubes is that the tubes don't need to be inflated anywhere near the pressure of airdeck. Therefore they withstand the rigours of the big pressure variation in tropical sunlight.

The Highfield has had five months use. I have no reason to believe the powder coating will be an issue. It has taken a bit more abuse than the old PVC dinghy!

Our Santorin came with the Liferaft cradle on the aft deck. The UL260 transom sits over the top of it up against the mizzen mast. With all tubes deflated it seems well short of the edge of the coach roof ( but I don't know comparative lengths). I have an electric inflator in the lazarette so no hassle there. With the air deck the electric pump would not achieve the inflation pressure especially for the floor and had to be finished by hand pump.

The Quicksilver was rated at max 10 HP outboard. The Highfield had a lower figure in the book than on the transom. The high figure was 6 HP. We got the 9.8 2 stroke which was the same weight. I doubt if the 6 HP would get it on the plane with two up and the shopping. Previously we had a 3.3 2 stroke - the difference now is we no longer have to see how close to the shoreline we can anchor (a longer haul to shore is much quicker now).

I am pleased with the dinghy, but in retrospect I could have got the 290 on board inflated on the front deck. I think this would have achieved planing speeds even better. The length of the 260 hull does sacrifice a bit when turning and going over steeper chop.

The 260 doesn't row as well as the Quicksilver, the bow sits higher out of the water and is more affected by the wind. We tend to use the oars and paddle from either side of the bow sitting on the seat when we choose not to use the engine.

The boat had a beautiful padded seat cover and underseat zip up back. Excellent design, but disintegrated in the sun in 3 months.

Highfield have recognised the problem and have changed the material. They are sending me a new one. 

Sorry about the length of the saga, I guess you need to get some deflated sizes from Highfield. 
The weight is really good for two pensioners to haul aboard with the halliard and winch.

Good hunting

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

If I had to buy again, I'd opt for a smaller rib equal or shorter than the mizzen mast to the mizzen traveler. 

A fit to measure for the aft deck ...,

Jean-Pierre
Eleuthera SM007



On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:07, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

This how we have solved it on S/Y Lady Annila. The Dinghy is a Carib CX8

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u8ufca4tt73dbq8/AAD8AxcANvAUU6IPK_LggbHCa?dl=0

 

/Regards

Annsofie

 

S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

 

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
Skickat: den 30 juni 2016 11:15
Till: amelyachtowners@...
Ämne: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

Ian,

   Thanks for the detailed information on the UL 260,  very helpful.  I will see if there might be a way to fit the 290 on the aft cabin top deflated without interference from the traveller but it does at least sound like the 260 would fit.  The videos showing the 260 also suggest to me that a bit more length would improve the stability.  I am wondering if eventually the aluminum will begin to corrode where it is pressed up against the tubes?  Hopefully that will not be an issue.  I never would have thought that a RIB could be as light as these dinghies,  quite a breakthrough I think.  I will let you know if I am able to fit the UL 290 and if so what I think of it.

Best,

James

Maramu #220  Sueno


On Jun 30, 2016, at 3:13 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The short answer is I don't know, our boat is in Grenada and we're in UK!
Previously we had a Quicksilver 275 air deck. It lasted 13 years. The sun in the Med and the Caribbean destroyed the inflatable deck. The tubes and floor are still going strong with friends who made a wooden floor for it. My experience of PVC has therefore been good as long as it isn't in the sun. One thing I have found with the hard hull and Hypalon tubes is that the tubes don't need to be inflated anywhere near the pressure of airdeck. Therefore they withstand the rigours of the big pressure variation in tropical sunlight.

The Highfield has had five months use. I have no reason to believe the powder coating will be an issue. It has taken a bit more abuse than the old PVC dinghy!

Our Santorin came with the Liferaft cradle on the aft deck. The UL260 transom sits over the top of it up against the mizzen mast. With all tubes deflated it seems well short of the edge of the coach roof ( but I don't know comparative lengths). I have an electric inflator in the lazarette so no hassle there. With the air deck the electric pump would not achieve the inflation pressure especially for the floor and had to be finished by hand pump.

The Quicksilver was rated at max 10 HP outboard. The Highfield had a lower figure in the book than on the transom. The high figure was 6 HP. We got the 9.8 2 stroke which was the same weight. I doubt if the 6 HP would get it on the plane with two up and the shopping. Previously we had a 3.3 2 stroke - the difference now is we no longer have to see how close to the shoreline we can anchor (a longer haul to shore is much quicker now).

I am pleased with the dinghy, but in retrospect I could have got the 290 on board inflated on the front deck. I think this would have achieved planing speeds even better. The length of the 260 hull does sacrifice a bit when turning and going over steeper chop.

The 260 doesn't row as well as the Quicksilver, the bow sits higher out of the water and is more affected by the wind. We tend to use the oars and paddle from either side of the bow sitting on the seat when we choose not to use the engine.

The boat had a beautiful padded seat cover and underseat zip up back. Excellent design, but disintegrated in the sun in 3 months.

Highfield have recognised the problem and have changed the material. They are sending me a new one. 

Sorry about the length of the saga, I guess you need to get some deflated sizes from Highfield. 
The weight is really good for two pensioners to haul aboard with the halliard and winch.

Good hunting

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

This how we have solved it on S/Y Lady Annila. The Dinghy is a Carib CX8

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u8ufca4tt73dbq8/AAD8AxcANvAUU6IPK_LggbHCa?dl=0

 

/Regards

Annsofie

 

S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

 

 

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
Skickat: den 30 juni 2016 11:15
Till: amelyachtowners@...
Ämne: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

 

 

Ian,

   Thanks for the detailed information on the UL 260,  very helpful.  I will see if there might be a way to fit the 290 on the aft cabin top deflated without interference from the traveller but it does at least sound like the 260 would fit.  The videos showing the 260 also suggest to me that a bit more length would improve the stability.  I am wondering if eventually the aluminum will begin to corrode where it is pressed up against the tubes?  Hopefully that will not be an issue.  I never would have thought that a RIB could be as light as these dinghies,  quite a breakthrough I think.  I will let you know if I am able to fit the UL 290 and if so what I think of it.

Best,

James

Maramu #220  Sueno


On Jun 30, 2016, at 3:13 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The short answer is I don't know, our boat is in Grenada and we're in UK!
Previously we had a Quicksilver 275 air deck. It lasted 13 years. The sun in the Med and the Caribbean destroyed the inflatable deck. The tubes and floor are still going strong with friends who made a wooden floor for it. My experience of PVC has therefore been good as long as it isn't in the sun. One thing I have found with the hard hull and Hypalon tubes is that the tubes don't need to be inflated anywhere near the pressure of airdeck. Therefore they withstand the rigours of the big pressure variation in tropical sunlight.

The Highfield has had five months use. I have no reason to believe the powder coating will be an issue. It has taken a bit more abuse than the old PVC dinghy!

Our Santorin came with the Liferaft cradle on the aft deck. The UL260 transom sits over the top of it up against the mizzen mast. With all tubes deflated it seems well short of the edge of the coach roof ( but I don't know comparative lengths). I have an electric inflator in the lazarette so no hassle there. With the air deck the electric pump would not achieve the inflation pressure especially for the floor and had to be finished by hand pump.

The Quicksilver was rated at max 10 HP outboard. The Highfield had a lower figure in the book than on the transom. The high figure was 6 HP. We got the 9.8 2 stroke which was the same weight. I doubt if the 6 HP would get it on the plane with two up and the shopping. Previously we had a 3.3 2 stroke - the difference now is we no longer have to see how close to the shoreline we can anchor (a longer haul to shore is much quicker now).

I am pleased with the dinghy, but in retrospect I could have got the 290 on board inflated on the front deck. I think this would have achieved planing speeds even better. The length of the 260 hull does sacrifice a bit when turning and going over steeper chop.

The 260 doesn't row as well as the Quicksilver, the bow sits higher out of the water and is more affected by the wind. We tend to use the oars and paddle from either side of the bow sitting on the seat when we choose not to use the engine.

The boat had a beautiful padded seat cover and underseat zip up back. Excellent design, but disintegrated in the sun in 3 months.

Highfield have recognised the problem and have changed the material. They are sending me a new one. 

Sorry about the length of the saga, I guess you need to get some deflated sizes from Highfield. 
The weight is really good for two pensioners to haul aboard with the halliard and winch.

Good hunting

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

James Alton
 

Ian,

   Thanks for the detailed information on the UL 260,  very helpful.  I will see if there might be a way to fit the 290 on the aft cabin top deflated without interference from the traveller but it does at least sound like the 260 would fit.  The videos showing the 260 also suggest to me that a bit more length would improve the stability.  I am wondering if eventually the aluminum will begin to corrode where it is pressed up against the tubes?  Hopefully that will not be an issue.  I never would have thought that a RIB could be as light as these dinghies,  quite a breakthrough I think.  I will let you know if I am able to fit the UL 290 and if so what I think of it.

Best,

James

Maramu #220  Sueno


On Jun 30, 2016, at 3:13 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The short answer is I don't know, our boat is in Grenada and we're in UK!
Previously we had a Quicksilver 275 air deck. It lasted 13 years. The sun in the Med and the Caribbean destroyed the inflatable deck. The tubes and floor are still going strong with friends who made a wooden floor for it. My experience of PVC has therefore been good as long as it isn't in the sun. One thing I have found with the hard hull and Hypalon tubes is that the tubes don't need to be inflated anywhere near the pressure of airdeck. Therefore they withstand the rigours of the big pressure variation in tropical sunlight.

The Highfield has had five months use. I have no reason to believe the powder coating will be an issue. It has taken a bit more abuse than the old PVC dinghy!

Our Santorin came with the Liferaft cradle on the aft deck. The UL260 transom sits over the top of it up against the mizzen mast. With all tubes deflated it seems well short of the edge of the coach roof ( but I don't know comparative lengths). I have an electric inflator in the lazarette so no hassle there. With the air deck the electric pump would not achieve the inflation pressure especially for the floor and had to be finished by hand pump.

The Quicksilver was rated at max 10 HP outboard. The Highfield had a lower figure in the book than on the transom. The high figure was 6 HP. We got the 9.8 2 stroke which was the same weight. I doubt if the 6 HP would get it on the plane with two up and the shopping. Previously we had a 3.3 2 stroke - the difference now is we no longer have to see how close to the shoreline we can anchor (a longer haul to shore is much quicker now).

I am pleased with the dinghy, but in retrospect I could have got the 290 on board inflated on the front deck. I think this would have achieved planing speeds even better. The length of the 260 hull does sacrifice a bit when turning and going over steeper chop.

The 260 doesn't row as well as the Quicksilver, the bow sits higher out of the water and is more affected by the wind. We tend to use the oars and paddle from either side of the bow sitting on the seat when we choose not to use the engine.

The boat had a beautiful padded seat cover and underseat zip up back. Excellent design, but disintegrated in the sun in 3 months.

Highfield have recognised the problem and have changed the material. They are sending me a new one. 

Sorry about the length of the saga, I guess you need to get some deflated sizes from Highfield. 
The weight is really good for two pensioners to haul aboard with the halliard and winch.

Good hunting

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

James Alton
 

Dave,

   Thanks for this information.  I didn’t realize that it would be possible to squeeze in a 10 dinghy, that is definitely something to consider.  The 8” protrusion might not be to bad since I assume this would only be for the offshore passages.

Best,

James  Maramu #220

On Jun 29, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Dave Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


We have an AquaPro 10’ aluminum bottom dinghy and it fits if deflated on the aft coachroof clear of the mizzen boom track if you put the nose of the dinghy about 8” into the cockpit space. The AquaPro tubes are hypalon. Our dinghy is vintage 2000 and so far has no major problems.  We do keep it covered when stored and it wears dinghy chaps when in use.

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu#104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Ian,


   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

Best,
James

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220
On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96
Hash-tag for social medias

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Hi folks!
I have started an hashtag, #amelsupermaramu please feel free to use it in your post on any social media you are on (Facebbook, Twitter, Instagram and others)

An hash-tag is a sort of search criteria. You can use it in any social network.
To find posts with a certain hash-tag just write it in the search box. Don't forget the #.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Ian Park
 

James
The short answer is I don't know, our boat is in Grenada and we're in UK!
Previously we had a Quicksilver 275 air deck. It lasted 13 years. The sun in the Med and the Caribbean destroyed the inflatable deck. The tubes and floor are still going strong with friends who made a wooden floor for it. My experience of PVC has therefore been good as long as it isn't in the sun. One thing I have found with the hard hull and Hypalon tubes is that the tubes don't need to be inflated anywhere near the pressure of airdeck. Therefore they withstand the rigours of the big pressure variation in tropical sunlight.

The Highfield has had five months use. I have no reason to believe the powder coating will be an issue. It has taken a bit more abuse than the old PVC dinghy!

Our Santorin came with the Liferaft cradle on the aft deck. The UL260 transom sits over the top of it up against the mizzen mast. With all tubes deflated it seems well short of the edge of the coach roof ( but I don't know comparative lengths). I have an electric inflator in the lazarette so no hassle there. With the air deck the electric pump would not achieve the inflation pressure especially for the floor and had to be finished by hand pump.

The Quicksilver was rated at max 10 HP outboard. The Highfield had a lower figure in the book than on the transom. The high figure was 6 HP. We got the 9.8 2 stroke which was the same weight. I doubt if the 6 HP would get it on the plane with two up and the shopping. Previously we had a 3.3 2 stroke - the difference now is we no longer have to see how close to the shoreline we can anchor (a longer haul to shore is much quicker now).

I am pleased with the dinghy, but in retrospect I could have got the 290 on board inflated on the front deck. I think this would have achieved planing speeds even better. The length of the 260 hull does sacrifice a bit when turning and going over steeper chop.

The 260 doesn't row as well as the Quicksilver, the bow sits higher out of the water and is more affected by the wind. We tend to use the oars and paddle from either side of the bow sitting on the seat when we choose not to use the engine.

The boat had a beautiful padded seat cover and underseat zip up back. Excellent design, but disintegrated in the sun in 3 months.

Highfield have recognised the problem and have changed the material. They are sending me a new one.

Sorry about the length of the saga, I guess you need to get some deflated sizes from Highfield.
The weight is really good for two pensioners to haul aboard with the halliard and winch.

Good hunting

Ian

'Ocean Hobo' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

David Wallace
 

James,

We have an AquaPro 10’ aluminum bottom dinghy and it fits if deflated on the aft coachroof clear of the mizzen boom track if you put the nose of the dinghy about 8” into the cockpit space. The AquaPro tubes are hypalon. Our dinghy is vintage 2000 and so far has no major problems.  We do keep it covered when stored and it wears dinghy chaps when in use.

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu#104
Sea of Cortez

On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Ian,


   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

Best,
James

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220
On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It is OK. I am not sure if it will last as long as the AB Hypalon that we bought 13 years ago, but it is about 2/3rds the price of the AB Hypalon.

There are a few things I like better and some that I do not. One of the things that AB has is a depression in the aft hull that water drains to...no depression in the 3D Tender or Highfield.

Bill 
BeBe 387


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:46 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


   Thanks for the information.  How do you like your tender?  

James

On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:33 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

Highfield and 3D Tender are made in the same factory and share designs and material.

You most likely will see 3D Tender in Europe.

I bought the 3D Tender brand in Martinique...Size is 310cm with a storage locker in the bow.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

Best,
James

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220
On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Thanks for the information.  How do you like your tender?  

James

On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:33 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

Highfield and 3D Tender are made in the same factory and share designs and material.

You most likely will see 3D Tender in Europe.

I bought the 3D Tender brand in Martinique...Size is 310cm with a storage locker in the bow.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

Best,
James

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220
On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

James,

Highfield and 3D Tender are made in the same factory and share designs and material.

You most likely will see 3D Tender in Europe.

I bought the 3D Tender brand in Martinique...Size is 310cm with a storage locker in the bow.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:30 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

Best,
James

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220
On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: A RIB Dinghy Question...

James Alton
 

Ian,

   I am looking for a dinghy for my Maramu and the 260 UL sounds interesting.  Would you know if the aft cabin top on the Santorin is longer or shorter than the one on the Maramu?  My boat has a track for the mizzen boom that is a few inches forward of the aft end of the cabin whereas I believe that your track is on the aft deck.  

   Did you get the Hypalon or the PVC fabric?  I am wondering how long the powder coated aluminum will last,  i.e. will it outlast the PVC fabric under constant useage?  

   The dinghy is amazingly light at 64 lbs..

Best,
James

SV Sueno,  Maramu 46 #220

On Jun 29, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A RIB Dinghy Question...

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

We have an air floor dinghy that has done well but is approaching the end of its useful life. It fits in the lazarette easily.  I really want to replace it with something I am not forced to store on deck while sailing.  Just a personal preference, as much an esthetic choice as a practical one. We don’t have davits and are not going to install them.

If I was forced go with something that required storing on deck, I'd likely go all the way to a hard dinghy like I used on my last boat.  I loved the ability to row efficiently!  After crossing an ocean at 7 knots, I really don’t need to cross the harbor at 30, but again, that’s a personal preference thing.  

The folding RIBs look interesting… one the heavy side, but dinghy wheels and the lifting halyard are my good friends.  Hopefully I can find one to look at and measure folded.  

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ

On Jun 29, 2016, at 15:30, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We bought a Highfield Ultra Light 260 this year. Aluminium hull. It fits on the front deck of our Santorin inflated or on the afternoon deck with the bow deflated or completely deflated it sits easily inside the grab rails.
Also we got a 2 stroke 9.8  outboard. It weighs the same as a 6hp 4 stroke which is the max recommended by Highfield  works fine.
I haven't attempted to stow it in the lazarette. My guess is the depth won't accommodate the width.
Ian
'OCEAN HOBO' SN96
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Boom track bolts

karkauai
 

Hi Eamonn,
I don't have a way to check the size or thread, but there are 32 smaller ones in the mizzen boom track, and another in the forward cap.  There are 42 larger bolts in the main boom track plus another in the forward cap.  If no one knows the size or thread, I can remove one and take to a hardware store to see if I can identify them.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:37 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

when I had the standing rigging replaced in April, which involved removing the 2 masts, I also requested that the masts and booms be treated and painted. My problem is that when they reinserted the outhaul tracks on the two booms they used new stainless steel bolts, since they lost/discarded the original aluminium bolts.  I am far away from the boat currently.  Could someone please tell me the specification of these bolts, or let me know where I can buy them?  Also how many are required?  About 32 I think?


Many Thanks

Eamonn Washington


SM #151 Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina, Greece
Outboard engines 4 Stroke and 2 Stroke

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

FYI

Two months ago, we bought a new Honda 4 stroke 10hp outboard. It is really a great engine. However, because of the handle, it will not fit in a SM aft lazarette.

Our 15hp 2 stroke Mercury had lasted 13 years and was still working, but not as reliable as before. I had checked with other sailors about buying an exact replacement. All of these experts told me "no way...you can't buy them anymore."

The first marine shop I walked into in Trinidad had a brand new Mercury 15hp 2 stroke in the window and it is priced $1,000 less than the Honda. I am hoping to find a Honda lover. They are great engines and I will make them a great deal at 25% off.

And, if you are traveling to the Caribbean and Trinidad, I can tell you where to buy a Mercury 2 stroke at almost any horsepower.

Bill Rouse
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