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Re: C-Drive Oil drain - Alternative

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thanks Craig, your message is relaxing me. ;-)

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Craig Briggs via groups.io" <sangaris@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2020 um 19:22
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] C-Drive Oil drain - Alternative

Hi Rudi,

I commented on this in post #47906, which you might want to read. I suggested that 2-3 months with emulsified water-oil will not cause a problem and show pictures of my pristine drive shaft after 9 months of a "milk" bath.

I doubt that suction on one of the hoses will be effective as both are at the top of the upper unit and you'll just suck air once the oil level drops a bit.
 
Craig, -- SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: C-Drive Oil drain - Alternative

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

HI Daniel and Lori
Thanks for sharing your experience and the explanation
Best regards
Ruedi & Sabina, sv WASABI A54#55

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Freitag, 16. Oktober 2020 um 00:05
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] C-Drive Oil drain - Alternative

Hello Ruedi, I did have some slight milky color just after changing my seals a previous time.  I don't think they seated properly right away.  First I drained and cleaned our the reservoir well. Then filled it with clean oil. Then I sucked about a liter of the bad oil that comes off of the small "return" line and attaches to the top of the reservoir. I did this twice and that removed some of the milky oil (can't be much as there are 8+ liters in the system).

I can tell you that the water did settle out of what I removed after a few days.  I repeated this twice when the drive was heated up and the oil was mixed up. Then after that it remained clear.  I was using the boat regularly during the next 6 months living aboard in the Caribbean. At the end of the season when I pulled the boat and drained the c-drive only the first liter or so out of the bottom of the drive appeared to have some residual water.  The seals appeared to be in perfect condition.  

I think in my case I only had a small initial contamination and once the seals seated well then there was no subsequent leaking. 

I wish someone could provide a clear explanation of how the oil circulates?  I was able to watch as the drive heated up with use that there was milky oil coming in the return line at the top of the reservoir. There is also a filter screen in the middle of the reservoir that appears to trap some of the water that settles out. For something so important and so discussed I've not seen a good explanation of that. 

Thanks and regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387





On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 12:11 PM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Dear AMEL Groupies


Is there a way to dain (pump/sucking) out bad Oil from the C-Drive while the boat is in water?
Recently (after 3 years) I got water ingress into the C-Drive. I cannot go out on hard right now for the next 2-3 Month. Haul out it planned for January-21. I don't move the boat anymore but still then, I don’t like. I don't like to have the milky Oil (mix of Oil and Salt water) in the c-drive for such a long Time. 


I was thinking there must be an alternative option to get rid of it while in water. Maybe I could suck that milky stuff out of the C-drive through the hose where the expansion container sits on top? 

Does anyone know if it works? And maybe someone on the forum has even done that?


What is the potential damage of the C-drive having this cream of oil/water inside (without driving the boat) ?


Any idea and advice is very welcome, best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

WASABI  - Amel 54 #55
Almerimar 


Re: Registering an SM in Canada

Randall Walker
 

Hello Jeff,
I looked into buying Moon dog an SM in Pennsylvania.
When they told me how much the tax and duty with the need for the Government survey, I found it easier to just go to France and buy an Amel with a french flag. So to save on the import duties as Canada has a free trade agreement with Europe. You can buy a boat from the country of the manufacturer duty-free. You then pay only the local tax in Canada. Alberta has no provincial sales tax so there is only the GST to pay, in all other provinces you pay HST.
All this said you save yourself a load of money. (but yes the survey still has to be done) 
In the end, I went to Spain and purchased my boat from a Brit. The vat was paid already, So I left the registry British paid 250 pounds for the 5-year registry, just a name change on the registry. Done with no pain or tax. And fly the red ensign. This is the cheapest way to do it.
My plans were to sail in sunny equatorial waters, so I will not enter Canadian waters to subject to any import fees.

Good luck,
Randall
A54#56
Gibraltar

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 7:53 PM Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:
Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  


Re: Galley fridge intermittently cooling

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

To give an update:
An refrigeration engineer friend came to have a look and found the system low on refrigerant, but couldn’t find a leak. The usual culprit (the seals in the quick fittings) were not at fault. We opted to top it up and see the evolution. 2 weeks later, it’s still good. Keeping an eye on it. 

I also found the fan that cools the heat sink on the compressor to be dead and replaced it. Pic attached in case you want to get spares. It’s a 24V unit but the system runs it at 12V. It’s pretty standard and costs a few dollars on Amazon. 


Thanks 
Thomas 
GARULFO
A54-122
Papeete, Tahiti 



On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 at 19:37, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Thomas;

 

An LED bulb will not work. You need an old style LED Diode. These have the two long pins that are usually installed on circuit boards and usually come in a red color. You could have other colors too, which is fine. You can usually find them in electronics stores. Try reducing the RPM to 2000 and see if that helps. If it does, and the compressor starts and stays on and the fridge cools, then your compressor may be getting to the end of its life.

 

We just replaced the compressor under the top load refrigerator in the galley. I think all of the three compressors are the same or very similar.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sv Garulfo via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:54 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley fridge intermittently cooling

 

Thanks Mohammad,

 

Hi tried rigging one of my led saloon lights to the connection points on the controller but it didn’t show anything. I blame my rigging/understanding of the connection points. As an aside, i believe the fan attached to the metal radiator on the compressor to be failed. 

 

The potentiometer is set to 3000 rpm at present. 

 

Did you replace just the compressor part, or also the evaporator? Our issue applies to the Stainless steel unit, which is our primary fridge. 

 

Investigation continues...

 

Thomas

 

 

 

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 at 13:58, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Thomas;

 

We had a similar situation last year. The controller on the compressor is equipped with an LED or a connection point that an LED can be connected to, so the unit will give you one of 4 or 5 error codes. I do not remember exactly as it was a while ago and I do not have all of my notes in front of me.

 

There is also a potentiometer (variable resistor) on the board that allows for selection of the compressor RPM. In our case, reducing the RPMs from max RPM of 3500 to 2000, fixed the issue for about a year. After that, the problem reoccurred and our investigation, along with a  trusted dealer in Corfu Greece, led to the conclusion that the compressor had failed an we ended up replacing the entire unit.

 

Lowering the RPMs has the effect of lowering the load on the compressor. So if the compressor is marginal, it will work for a while. The effect of lower RPM on the performance of the refrigerator, is the speed at which it cools the unit down to the desired temperature. Our unit was 11 years old at the time and we felt had provided an expected life for the product. This was the top load refrigerator in the galley that gets a lot of usage.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sv Garulfo via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:56 PM
To: Amel Yacht owners Group <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley fridge intermittently cooling

 

Hi all,

 

Our fridge evaporator seems to be partially and  intermittently cold. And the compressor runs but stops after a while. It had happened recently that the fridge stopped cooling but after a stop and start, i heard a hissing noise near the evaporator and it worked again for a few weeks. 

 

I searched this forum for contributions and found plenty around refilling the system with cooling gas, amongst other solutions that I will investigate. 

However, I was under the impression that there was a discussion about ice crystals clogging the evaporator circuit and some filter that could be changed. I cannot find that discussion though and may have dreamed it altogether...

 

Any advice on that front?

 

 

Thanks

Thomas 

A54-122

Moorea

 

 


Re: Offshore Health Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

I think you mentioned in the past you use Growie Insurance and their Jack-line policy. Check with them for offshore medical plans. If I recall correctly they represent IMG.

 

There are many options available for international healthcare. We tend to shop outside of the USA for international insurance since the policies are much easier to understand and cost a lot less. Our international policy is more for catastrophic stuff and has a high deductable. We pay out of pocket for most healthcare. We have found outside of the USA, good affordable healthcare is readily available in most countries and is about 1/5th the price of care in the USA. The price for our $2M policy is about $1800 per year for both of us. The deductable is US$5,000 each.

As an added thought – I do not limit myself to the USA should I need major treatment. There are countries in the world with very advanced healthcare systems who can provide services compatible with or much better than USA Medicare or private insurance options. For example, the biggest boom in Panama is travel-healthcare. Singapore, Thailand, UAE, Malaysia, and even India have JCI accredited hospitals. Many of these hospitals have better ratings than those in the USA, especially in their areas of expertise.

 

I think I deserve a cookie for restraining myself from going on a rant about the state of the USA healthcare system – {smile}

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Offshore Health Insurance

 

Hi all,
I'm looking at health insurance for myself again. I've been basically self-insuring for overseas care and have DAN Boaters insurance for emergency medical  repatriation. Iris has GeoBlue plus DAN.

Depending on deductible and copay, I'm looking at $ 7-8K premium, plus $3-10K deductible and $0-5K copay every year. That's a lot of money to pay when the only thing I could imagine costing that much overseas would be emergency surgery. Anything else and we would fly home to let Medicare pay for it.

I'd be interested to know what everyone else is doing.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Kent&Iris
Kristy
SM 243
Hoping to sail S again in Nov depending on COVID rules in Caribbean and beyond.


Re: VP TMD 22 muffler

Karen Smith
 

Hello Paul!

My suggestion to you on this topic would be, "It depends."  It seems like that is always the answer to a sailing question, but let me expand a bit.

The Amel metal muffler does have a finite life, although ours is still going strong at 25 years, and pushing 9000 engine hours.  I have never heard of one failing catastrophically, but rather they seem to develop slow leaks that grow slowly, giving you the luxury of selecting the time for replacement.  If you were heading off to the remote islands in the South Pacific, this might be a good time for a little proactive replacement since getting an alternative would be expensive and difficult.  On the other hand, if you are coastal cruising in Europe, I would suggest waiting, since a replacement is relatively inexpensive and fast and easy to source.

Bill Kinney
SM#160
Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA
http://fetchinketch.net



Re: Registering an SM in Canada

Arnold Mente
 

Hi Jeff,

in Austria is the same issue for registration. I send the drawing, every Amel have it in its papers to a nautical engineer and he did this for me. So the tax can calculate by the government.
It was a small amount.

Best

Arnold
Zephyr
SM 203


Am 16.10.2020 um 22:40 schrieb amelforme <jfpottercys@...>:

Hello Jeff as you have probably come to understand, the Canadian tonnage is a nearly but not exactly the same thing as the UK tonnage. It is based on ancient and arcane measurements that support the formulation of a "tonnage" that measures the volumetrics of the interior. It was used long ago to calculate how much "stuff" a commercial vessel could carry and hence, how much tax could be applied by the government.
It has nothing to do with weight or displacement.
I was told not too long ago, but don't have this on any authority, that you can get Transport Canada to give you the forms to fill out by any accredited marine surveyor. Again, I was told this worked by someone who should know but I was not part of the process. Also, TransCan used to have a list of world wide surveyors that were approved for this particular survey but that was at least a decade ago and maybe longer.
Maybe worth digging a bit deeper?
Good luck with it.
JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:


Hi Jean-Pierre,
It is a Canadian Transport Canada thing.   Need a Canadian registered surveyor to complete a tonnage certificate form if the boat is over 15m to register the boat in Canada.    I used Olivier for my survey and he was excellent.    
Thanks,
Jeff

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

I am Canadian as well and my reg is UK.  Why do you need  CDN surveyor for tonnage?

I used the renowned surveyor named Olivier Beauté, ex director of after sales at Amel. 

He is completely qualified to tell you the tonnage... they are all identical!! 

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ


On 17/10/2020, at 6:53 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:

Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  





--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Registering an SM in Canada

amelforme
 

Hello Jeff as you have probably come to understand, the Canadian tonnage is a nearly but not exactly the same thing as the UK tonnage. It is based on ancient and arcane measurements that support the formulation of a "tonnage" that measures the volumetrics of the interior. It was used long ago to calculate how much "stuff" a commercial vessel could carry and hence, how much tax could be applied by the government.
It has nothing to do with weight or displacement.
I was told not too long ago, but don't have this on any authority, that you can get Transport Canada to give you the forms to fill out by any accredited marine surveyor. Again, I was told this worked by someone who should know but I was not part of the process. Also, TransCan used to have a list of world wide surveyors that were approved for this particular survey but that was at least a decade ago and maybe longer.
Maybe worth digging a bit deeper?
Good luck with it.
JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:


Hi Jean-Pierre,
It is a Canadian Transport Canada thing.   Need a Canadian registered surveyor to complete a tonnage certificate form if the boat is over 15m to register the boat in Canada.    I used Olivier for my survey and he was excellent.    
Thanks,
Jeff

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

I am Canadian as well and my reg is UK.  Why do you need  CDN surveyor for tonnage?

I used the renowned surveyor named Olivier Beauté, ex director of after sales at Amel. 

He is completely qualified to tell you the tonnage... they are all identical!! 

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ


On 17/10/2020, at 6:53 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:

Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  


Re: Registering an SM in Canada

Teun BAAS
 

Since 2018 incident where a Dutch ICP registered GERMAN vessel illegally entered MALTESE waters with 234 migrants the Dutch government swiftly issued a law that Dutch ICP Registry is no good and is NOT allowed to fly the Dutch flag; and how do I know ???

However, The Dutch KADASTER registry is perfect & 100% legal and recognized worldwide but means the KADASTER officers have to visit the boat in person. Difficult now with COVID-19 (especially now THE NETHERLANDS as well as BELGIUM are the hotbeds of CORONA – EU code RED ) and expensive.

 

Working on a solution for AMELIT I got a couple of weeks ago this Email – it seems that Italy as well as PORTUGAL are really creating problems on the EU ICP since 2019 and clamping down.

 

QUOTE

 

Several disturbing signals have reached us concerning the Italian acceptance of the EU ICP Light Registration.

 

Since last week it seems that the Italian nautical authorities no longer accept the EU ICP Light Registration.

 

In some cases this has resulted in the fact that the yacht was detained and only could leave the marina once the owner switched from registration type.

 

This because of the fact that the EU ICP Light Registration is a ownerships registration and not a flag (Title) registration. The Italians since this week only accept flag certificates.

 

In the case you sail in Italy or plan to sail in Italy we strongly advise you to check what kind of registration you have and consider to update it to a (Title) flag registration.

 

At this moment the most popular registration for yacht owners who sail in Italy is the Polish EU Flag registration and which includes a provisional registration which will be released in just a few days after the registration request.

 

 

UNQUOTE

 

Best Regards Teun

 

A54 2009 #128

October 16, 2020 13:30:03

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Germain Jean-Pierre via groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:33
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Registering an SM in Canada

 

Hi Jeff, 

 

Hmmm. Have you thought of a Dutch or Belgian registry? 

 

Resale might be simpler....

 

Good luck

 

Jean-Pierre Germain 



On 17/10/2020, at 8:09 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:



Hi Jean-Pierre,

It is a Canadian Transport Canada thing.   Need a Canadian registered surveyor to complete a tonnage certificate form if the boat is over 15m to register the boat in Canada.    I used Olivier for my survey and he was excellent.    

Thanks,

Jeff

 

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Jeff,

 

I am Canadian as well and my reg is UK.  Why do you need  CDN surveyor for tonnage?

 

I used the renowned surveyor named Olivier Beauté, ex director of after sales at Amel. 

 

He is completely qualified to tell you the tonnage... they are all identical!! 

 

Good luck

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ



On 17/10/2020, at 6:53 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:

Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  


Re: Registering an SM in Canada

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Jeff, 

Hmmm. Have you thought of a Dutch or Belgian registry? 

Resale might be simpler....

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain 


On 17/10/2020, at 8:09 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:


Hi Jean-Pierre,
It is a Canadian Transport Canada thing.   Need a Canadian registered surveyor to complete a tonnage certificate form if the boat is over 15m to register the boat in Canada.    I used Olivier for my survey and he was excellent.    
Thanks,
Jeff

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

I am Canadian as well and my reg is UK.  Why do you need  CDN surveyor for tonnage?

I used the renowned surveyor named Olivier Beauté, ex director of after sales at Amel. 

He is completely qualified to tell you the tonnage... they are all identical!! 

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ


On 17/10/2020, at 6:53 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:

Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  


Re: Registering an SM in Canada

Jeff Williams
 

Hi Jean-Pierre,
It is a Canadian Transport Canada thing.   Need a Canadian registered surveyor to complete a tonnage certificate form if the boat is over 15m to register the boat in Canada.    I used Olivier for my survey and he was excellent.    
Thanks,
Jeff

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

I am Canadian as well and my reg is UK.  Why do you need  CDN surveyor for tonnage?

I used the renowned surveyor named Olivier Beauté, ex director of after sales at Amel. 

He is completely qualified to tell you the tonnage... they are all identical!! 

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ


On 17/10/2020, at 6:53 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:

Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  


Re: Registering an SM in Canada

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Jeff,

I am Canadian as well and my reg is UK.  Why do you need  CDN surveyor for tonnage?

I used the renowned surveyor named Olivier Beauté, ex director of after sales at Amel. 

He is completely qualified to tell you the tonnage... they are all identical!! 

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ


On 17/10/2020, at 6:53 AM, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:

Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  


Re: Toilet Seawater Valves

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Ian,
My forward intake valve handle corroded such that I couldn't turn it and broke off the valve stem trying. The corrosion was from sea water accumulating from an inconspicuous leak in the attached small manifold that branches to the anchor wash which had a pin-hole from corrosion, although it was nicely fabricated by Amel of copper tube. I fabricated a new manifold (actually just a Pex "T" and some nipples) and replaced the valve - easy fix.  Also had one of the head outflow valves seriously freeze up but was able to disassemble the valve in place and clean it up.
--
Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Waterproofing the mast and wires for the electric motors

Karen Smith
 

Mike,

There is no real reason to seal them.  They should have a drip leg so most of the water runs off outside the mast, but any water than does follow the wire into the mast runs down and accumulates in a purpose-designed box under the mast in the head, and then drips on the floor of the head, and out the shower drain.  There is a similar arrangement under the mizzen mast, but that box drains into the engine room. At least that's the setup on our boat, SM#160.

This system of managing water that gets into the mast is much better than assuming you can completely eliminate any water intrusion into the wire chase in the mast, which is practically impossible.

The wires should all have a low point drip loop in the drain box, and you should check the outlet of the drain box periodically to be sure it is not plugged up. If it overflows, it soaks the bulkhead, and you really, really, REALLY don't want a water damaged bulkhead.  Somehow seeds eaten by birds end up there, and the pits of some palm fruits and wild cherries are the perfect size to plug the drain!

Bill Kinney
S/V Harmonie
SM#160
Annapolis, MD


Registering an SM in Canada

Jeff Williams
 

Hi All,
In the process of buying SM#379 Spruzzo (thinking of keeping the name).  Boat is currently in Sicily and plan on cruising the Med for the next few years.

I'm going to register the boat in Canada....has anyone used a Canadian surveyor to get a Canadian Tonnage Certificate for their SM 2000?
If so can you give me the name of the surveyor?

Thanks!
Jeff Williams  


Re: Offshore Health Insurance

Thomas Peacock
 

Boy, Kent, you’ve opened up a can of worms, that fortunately non-Americans may not have to deal with.

I don’t know if you have “traditional” Medicare, or the other privately administered plans. I’m not sure how “traditional” Medicare handles overseas illnesses.

However, as Craig pointed out, if you have Part C (so-called Medicare Advantage), privately administered, overseas illnesses are generally paid for. All plans differ. My plan, Aetna Silver PPO, has a $7,550 out of pocket maximum for the year. So, if I were to get ill or injured overseas, I would have to pay the bill. Since it is “out of network”, it is likely that I would be responsible for the first $7,550. In addition, I would have to pay the hospital and doctors myself for the whole bill. However, Aetna would reimburse me for any expenses over the $7,550. 

When I crunched the numbers last year, it did not seem worth it to me to buy overseas insurance. Worst case scenario, I’m out $7,550. The premiums for extra insurance seemed too steep.

I should add that my wife broke her arm in St Lucia. We chose to go a private hospital rather than the government run facility. The hospital bill was over $12,000. They would not admit her to the hospital until I paid in full (credit card). They wouldn’t even take an X-ray until I paid for that. After the deductible, her insurance paid the balance. 

Hope this helps.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay for the winter, public health issues in the Caribbean just seem too iffy, especially with the second wave upon us


On Oct 15, 2020, at 9:48 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I'm looking at health insurance for myself again. I've been basically self-insuring for overseas care and have DAN Boaters insurance for emergency medical  repatriation. Iris has GeoBlue plus DAN.

Depending on deductible and copay, I'm looking at $ 7-8K premium, plus $3-10K deductible and $0-5K copay every year. That's a lot of money to pay when the only thing I could imagine costing that much overseas would be emergency surgery. Anything else and we would fly home to let Medicare pay for it.

I'd be interested to know what everyone else is doing.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Kent&Iris
Kristy
SM 243
Hoping to sail S again in Nov depending on COVID rules in Caribbean and beyond.


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Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay


Toilet Seawater Valves

Ian Townsend
 

Our 1996 SM153 has a seawater valve for each of the toilets. Has anyone with these ever had either the valve or the thruhull fail? A surveyor just told me that he has inspected the same valves/thruhulls on other European boats like a Hallberg-Rassey where they had a failure. Ours are in good shape so I am inclined to keep them with a wood plug nearby in case of a problem. But if there is anyone here on the forum that has experienced an issue, I will change them out. Many thanks. 

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153
On the hard in Maryland


Re: C-Drive Oil drain - Alternative

Craig Briggs
 

Well said, Bill.
Cheers, Craig -- SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Offshore Health Insurance

Craig Briggs
 

Hey Kent,
Know you're the Doc, but my Medicare Part C plan let's me get reimbursed for overseas care (yes, I've got to pay first and then submit for reimbursement, and it can't exceed "normal and customary" which is a rarity in other countries). Just a thought. Yes, US health care is WAY too complicated. I think I read that overhead costs - insurance companies and government - are much more than the actual health care itself. Glad you're a real Doctor, but you'd have an Amel 60 or maybe two if you had gone into health insurance!
Cheers, Craig
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SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: C-Drive Oil drain - Alternative

 

The answer to the seal orientation of the 3 seals is very simple.

You have 3 seals.
You need to keep the oil in and the water out.
If you had two seals, the answer is clear: one for each.

But, with 3 seals, you should decide which of the following is most important to you:
- Keeping oil in the C-Drive - if this is your priority, Henri Amel agrees with you and so do I - use 2 seals to protect from losing oil
- Keeping water out of the C-Drive - if the is your priority, Henri and I will question your logic, but use 2 seals to protect from water entering.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 6:12 PM Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
A good technique I've used to clean out milky oil is, after the initial drain, refill with diesel oil, then run the engine in gear forward and reverse for a few minutes (feeding water to the engine with a hose). Drain again and repeat until the diesel comes out clear. Two or three times will do the trick and a 6 gallon diesel fuel jerry jug is enough. Then change the wearing-out-bearing, O-ring, seals and drain plug washer and refill with 90 weight gear oil.

Bill Rouse sticks by the Amel recommendation of the three seals facing oil-oil-sea. José Venegas argues convincingly for a water-water-oil configuration, to which I just changed 6 months ago. I think José is now going on 20 years with no milky oil. (Or maybe it just seems like that in these times of covid.)

Great fun,
Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL

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