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Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Teun BAAS
 

Interested

 

Best Regards Teun

December 8, 2020 17:21:51

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 12:47
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Hi Bill;

 

Thanks for your ongoing involvement and time spent improving our Amels.

 

Interested.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of eric freedman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Interested.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 11:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.

Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:

 

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.

 

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.

 

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Bill

 

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal
 

Yes please


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Stefan and Anne Deerberg
 

Hi together!

Interested!

All the best

Stefan and Anne Deerberg 
SV OYA
SM 373, Le Marin, Martinique 

Mobil: +49 172 7757444
stefan.deerberg@...
www.deerberg.de



Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

karkauai
 

Hi JB,
Welcome to the AYOG and congrats on your new to you Amel.
As previously noted, a year or so ago, two members with some Insurance know-how tackled the possibility of a group policy, but ran into roadblocks and finally gave up. There are a substantial number if owners here (ask on the separate Facebook page for others who might not be members here) who are very interested in pursuing the idea, ir at least participating if it can be done.

Do a search for Insurance and you will find a thread that gives some info.

If you want to pursue it further, I can send you some email threads about discussions among the group of 4 who spent a good bit of energy on it and could tell you what the biggest hurdles were if that isn't clear in the emails.

Happy Holidays!
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Dean Gillies
 

Welcome to the Amel group! 

I visited Bremen many times with business in the nineties and noughties, although so many times in the wintertime.  A bit cold at this time!
Jan and I live in Australia but our 54 is in Scotland right now. We also are planning a crossing of the pond, supposed to be happening just about now, but I suspect it may be 2022 before we are able to do this.

Wishing you fair winds and following seas with Mago del Sur.

Dean & Jan Gillies
SV Stella A54-154


Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Martin Birkhoff
 

Wow, what a surprise, Giorgio,


we never expected to meet you this way. How are you and Mariolina? Nice to hear that you are sailing “Saudade III” still today. Now you can recognize your long lasting influence to our decisions!


Dear Amelians, reading Giorgios unexpected email and your welcoming responses makes us feel like joining a family.


Georgio, in 2007 we continued north from Ushuaia, had to cancel our trip to Juan Fernandez island due to cracks in our mast support and to head for Higuerillas, Chile. After finishing the repairs we sailed the Chilean and Peruvian coast northbound, visited Galapagos and continued to French Polynesia. From Tahiti Anke had to return to Germany in June 2008. The Government refused to extend her leave and she decided not to quit her job. I promised to sail back “Just do it” to Bremen within 12 month. I returned via Red Sea and Med but failed the promised time. “Just do its” arrived in her homeport in October 2009. By the way, after our first proof while sailing Anke and I continued the proofing process some 6 further years. After ten years of proofing we decided this should be sufficient and married in 2015.

We still keep your Patagonian Guide and it will guide us during the next years for sure. We still keep the Atlas Hydrografico de Chile too. Rich memories and useful.


Martin and Anke
SV Mago del Sur – 54#40


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Dean Gillies
 

Interested.

Dean,
SV Stella A54-154


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Doug Smith
 

Interested

Thanks, Doug Smith

Amel 54-113, Aventura
Patuxant River MD, USA
Dugsmith98@...
 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 11:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.

Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:

<image001.png>

 

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.

<image002.png>

 

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.

<image003.png>

 

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Bill

 

<image004.jpg>

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar


Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Welcome Anke and Martin;

 

I’m sure you will get to enjoy and appreciate your Amel, as much as we do. It is great platform for exploration, adventure, relaxation and access to remote areas. Looks like you have already checked off a few of these on your previous expeditions.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Birkhoff via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 4:34 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] It´s time to introduce ourselves.

 

It´s time to introduce ourselves.
We are Anke and Martin Birkhoff from Worpswede in Germany. Homeport of our Amel is Bremen, Germany.

We started our sailing careers in 1978 (Anke) and (1985) Martin. Since 1998 we spent our time sailing SV “Just do it” a bilge keel 39 feet Reinke Super 11. This is a double chine aluminum design of German engineer Kurt Reinke. Sailing areas have been Baltic Ocean and North Sea. From 2004 to 2009 we made a circumnavigation including Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego. Here it happened after meeting Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi and their Amel "Saudade III" in Ushuaia that we decided if we ever would buy a GRP design it has to be an Amel.

In 2016 we changed to our 54 Mago del Sur (ex Bronwyn owned by Robin Griffith who did a circumnavigation with her from 2011 to 2013). During the last years she got a refit and now she is ready to start milemunching again. Ok, there are still one or two repairs to be done ...

Anke and I are landscape architects. She is civil servant in the Government of Bremen, I Martin had run my own company for environmental impact studies and landscape architecture.

We plan to sail the Med in 2021 and leave for Caribean waters end of the year. Than continuing through the Panama Chanal and heading South to Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego again. To be continued …

Martin

SV Mago del Sur – 54#40


Re: It´s time to introduce ourselves.

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Dear Anke and Martin and Dear Judy and Ian, I'm very happy to find you in this glorious group.
I remember perfectly about you and also for me nostalgia for that remote corner of earth is always very strong. After almost 30 years of cruises, I keep thinking that an Amel was the best choice I could do and if I ever change Saudade III will be for another Amel!
A great hug and good navigations wherever you are!

Giorgio Ardrizzi 
sy Saudade III - Sharki #1
Sainte Anne - Martinique


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Bill;

 

Thanks for your ongoing involvement and time spent improving our Amels.

 

Interested.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of eric freedman via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Interested.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 11:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.

Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:

 

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.

 

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.

 

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Bill

 

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

eric freedman
 

Interested.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 11:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

 

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.

Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:

image.png

 

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.

image.png

 

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.

image.png

 

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Bill

 

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

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View My Training Calendar

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Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Patrick McAneny
 

JB,
 Yes it is a beautiful river ,many think the most beautiful on the Bay ,including me. I have been here since I was four ,just turned 70 Saturday. It has hardly changed in all those years,unspoiled to this day ,with many great places to anchor. When you were here ,you may have seen hangliders being towed up by a boat or just flying about, that was me a couple of friends. We flew three days a week for a few decades ,soaring the cliffs and looking for thermals. If ever here again, drop a hook in front of our pier . 
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Pat,

In 1994 I kept my Swan 47 on the Sassafras River!!!! Love it, so peaceful, anchored surrounded by cows. At this time of the year the deck was frozen.

At the time I was in Philly working for the Insurance Company of North America (very long history), they became CIGNA, then, ACE, now Chubb.

Such a small world!

JB

On Dec 8, 2020, at 08:05, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:

JB, 
 We live on the Sassafras River off the northern end of the Chesapeake Bay ,on the Eastern Shore of Maryland ,40 F. 13 kts  NW off the river at present , a bit cold. The C&D canal entrance is about miles from us .
 I realize Pantaenius is a broker ,I was well served by them and was sorry to lose my coverage thru them. 
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 9:51 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hello Bill,

interested.

regards,
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Matt Salatino
 

He put me with the Jackline Policy.
I had this previously with my previous boat. 
Our first year with our Amel was with Pantaenius US....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Matt, I went with Gary at Manifest Marine in June,he has been very responsive. Could I ask which insurance co. he put you with ,and if you like the coverage or policy provisions . I am with Windsor Mount Joy , whom I have had my home owners policy with for years and the travel restrictions are tight.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans 


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

I’ve been using Gary, and his father, Al, before him, for years. Elliot is the 3rd generation in the business.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

JB,

If I were insuring in today's environment, I would be tempted to buy liability insurance and sell-insure for all other damages. If this appeals to you there is a broker I trust in the business who will write liability only insurance. Gary and his son, Elliott, write marine policies worldwide:
Gary Golden & Elliott Golden
Manifest Marine
604 Stonewall Lane
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22407 USA
Gary@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:
Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi Bill,

interested - your topic shows up just in time. Few days ago I started collecting ideas how to design a spare manifold.
Thanks

Martin
SV Mago del Sur - 54#40

 


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

JB Duler
 

Pat,

In 1994 I kept my Swan 47 on the Sassafras River!!!! Love it, so peaceful, anchored surrounded by cows. At this time of the year the deck was frozen.

At the time I was in Philly working for the Insurance Company of North America (very long history), they became CIGNA, then, ACE, now Chubb.

Such a small world!

JB

On Dec 8, 2020, at 08:05, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:

JB, 
 We live on the Sassafras River off the northern end of the Chesapeake Bay ,on the Eastern Shore of Maryland ,40 F. 13 kts  NW off the river at present , a bit cold. The C&D canal entrance is about miles from us .
 I realize Pantaenius is a broker ,I was well served by them and was sorry to lose my coverage thru them. 
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 9:51 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Patrick McAneny
 

Matt, I went with Gary at Manifest Marine in June,he has been very responsive. Could I ask which insurance co. he put you with ,and if you like the coverage or policy provisions . I am with Windsor Mount Joy , whom I have had my home owners policy with for years and the travel restrictions are tight.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans 


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

I’ve been using Gary, and his father, Al, before him, for years. Elliot is the 3rd generation in the business.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

JB,

If I were insuring in today's environment, I would be tempted to buy liability insurance and sell-insure for all other damages. If this appeals to you there is a broker I trust in the business who will write liability only insurance. Gary and his son, Elliott, write marine policies worldwide:
Gary Golden & Elliott Golden
Manifest Marine
604 Stonewall Lane
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22407 USA
Gary@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:
Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






Re: New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med

Matt Salatino
 

I’ve been using Gary, and his father, Al, before him, for years. Elliot is the 3rd generation in the business.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

JB,

If I were insuring in today's environment, I would be tempted to buy liability insurance and sell-insure for all other damages. If this appeals to you there is a broker I trust in the business who will write liability only insurance. Gary and his son, Elliott, write marine policies worldwide:
Gary Golden & Elliott Golden
Manifest Marine
604 Stonewall Lane
Fredericksburg, Virginia 22407 USA
Gary@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:51 AM JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:
Hi Pat,

Better late than never! Pantaenius is just a broker, even though they
want to portray themselves as an insurer. They used to be one of our
agents. I am still working and a bit busy (hopefully will go back to
more sailing/cruising at some point), and I will look into the past
thread.
Where are you based?
Cheers,
JB

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:46 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io
<sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> John,
>  Too bad you did not join the group last spring , you could have contributed greatly to a discussion the group had about group insurance.
>  I was in the market to insure my boat after Pantaenius pulled out of the US market and insurance was more difficult and costly to acquire . I thought it possible for a group such as the Amel  Owners to self insure , I suggested it to another owner and we put a thread out to the group ,suggesting it. I envisioned keeping it simple ,but suggestions came in ,going in many directions , more complex , with objections ,etc.
> Not having a background in the insurance industry ,and not willing to answer basically the same concerns and questions over and over ,I gave up on herding the cats. I still think the idea has merit , if lead by someone that has the background and the willingness to invest the time and energy to get it off the ground. You may find it interesting to go back and read the posts
> Welcome to the group,
> Pat
> SM Shenanigans
>
> Search the topic "Self Insurance" post # 52235 dated May 18, 2020
> here is a link below;
>
> https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/52235
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JB Duler <jbduler@...>
> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
> Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2020 9:37 pm
> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New member, one foot in San Francisco, one in the Med
>
> Hello all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself. I bought Bill Reilly's Meltem. What can I say? Just fell in love with her. Dealing directly with Bill instead of a broker was like day and night.
>
> I have been around boats all my life, started with an Opti, then a 420, then a Finn with 470s and 505s. I still race a Laser at European and World championships.
> I have also raced and cruised all kind of boats. My best memories were with my Swan 47. BUT no more teak decks for me (!).
> Racing in the freezing cold and windy San Francisco Bay took a toll on me, hence a Meltem with cold beers, and in the Med will be a nice change.
>
> On the business side I am an engineer and I have been in the insurance and software business all my life, throughout the world. Anything from owning a brokerage company to Exec or CEO of insurance companies, one of them I founded.
>
> I hate to mix pleasure and business but I have to say I don't like the state of yacht insurance, and maybe Amel owners are a special breed. If anybody wants to discuss a self insured group, a rent a captive, just reach out to me. Totally doable and we will put our Mentor, Bill Rouse, as Trustee (Bill, I should have asked before).
>
> I love the vibe of that group. Where do you find the time the find to maintain your boat with such a high standard?
>
> I hope to meet some of you in person :-)
> --
> John Bernard "JB" Duler
> San Francisco
> Meltem # 19, Western Med
>



--
John-Bernard Duler


--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med






Re: Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Courtney Gorman
 

yes


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2020 11:10 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Secondary Saltwater Manifold SMs & 54s, and possibly some Santorins, Mangos, and Maramus

Most SM & 54 owners are aware that sooner or later they will need to replace the Secondary Saltwater Manifold which was made by Amel from copper pipe.
Here is a view of the original SM Secondary Saltwater Manifold:
image.png

There have been some very good after-market stainless steel manifolds produced by various sources including the one below made by Emek Marine for around 1,000 euro. The one below was installed on BeBe SM 387.
image.png

I have taken on the project to find the best replacement for this manifold. Many of you are aware that Amel has switched to a PVC manifold for saltwater distribution and eliminated both the Primary and Secondary Saltwater Manifolds that are common in SMs and 54s. The supplier to Amel is SOFOMARIN, France. I have been working with SOFOMARIN to design a suitable replacement for the Secondary Saltwater Manifold in SMs & 54s. What is shown below is 60cm wide and will fit all of the SM hoses and will work on the 54 by keeping one of the far left outlets closed and capped. All of the hose barb connectors included are an exact match to the original hoses used in SMs and 54s. If you are not in Europe, the 35mm hose barb on the right side is virtually impossible to find.
image.png

The above PVC manifold will cost around 350 euros from SOFOMARIN in France. Before I take this to the next level, I would like to see how much interest we have in this group. If any owner has the original copper Secondary Manifold, I believe you should consider this replacement. 

Please reply with "interested" if you are interested. 

Thanks, 

Bill
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

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