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Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor

Jose Venegas
 

Unfortunately, the exercise did not go well and, in spite of having proper oil in the system and water circling around, after a few minutes there was a change in sound accompanied by smoke and, after immediately turning off the power the motor seized.  So it seems that this is the end of the road for this motor.   After opening the motor I noticed some burnt wires (those holding the electric wiring)  and realized that the high-pressure pump bearing was shared by the motor, which means I cannot take the motor alone to a shop for possible repair but will have to be the full assembly.
My question is whether anyone has had the motor/high-pressure pump repaired, and, if so, whether anybody knows a good shop in Grenada.
Alternatively, given the 20 years of age of the water maker, I would appreciate a contact on the island that could help me fix the problem.

Thanks a lot in advance

Jose and Magnolia
Ipanema SM2k, 278
Happily stuck in Grenada for at least another month


Re: Getting to St Maarten- New York

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Eric,

I live on St. Maarten and at present the way they want to “see” things happening for people that want to evacuate their boat from St. Maarten is that they will allow people to fly in from abroad as of June 1st, when landend you are supposed to go to your boat and leave within 24 hrs. 
Clearly this idea is conceived by persons clueless about the reality of preparing a boat for large crossings. So I expect a lot of people will protest agains this “arrangement”.

This Island is governed by people that regrettably don’t have the skill-set required for such a task. The effect is that rulings change at a pace hard to keep up with. The ‘randomness” of the rulings is often frustrating as well.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121


Battery compartment size

Bryce Procter
 

Can anyone tell me the useable internal dimensions for the battery compartment on the SM 2000 Redline with comfort pack. Ie 12 house batteries and starter.
I'm stuck away from my boat and would like to make some use of this lockdown period. I have rough measurements of 160cm x 54cm x 27cm however the package I have decided on is extremely close to these measurements with no room for error. Cheers. 


Re: Getting to St Maarten- New York

eric freedman
 

They might open the airport for commercial traffic early June—let’s see what happens . I should have the new policy for the boats stranded

In St Maarten Monday or Tuesday..

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Getting to St Maarten- New York

 

Hi Porter,

Thanks for the offer.

I plan on flying to St Thomas June 1st.

I will either charter a small plane, if I can get into the airport, or a powerboat to take me to St Maarten June 2.

If they will allow me I will haul the boat June 3 and have it surveyed. I will then have insurance. I will have a friend do my food shopping.

We will fuel up and head directly for NY asap.

If you can get to St Thomas, please join us.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Getting to St Maarten

 

Eric. Can you let me know when you are thinking. I’d love to help you if it works out and you need a hand. 

 

Porter McRoberts 

S/V IBIS A54-152 (Opua) 

But we’re in Fort Lauderdale 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

Www.fouribis.net

 

On May 23, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,

This is Tom, not sure if the right Tom. 

We have just entered the Chesapeake, having spent 8 days coming up from Puerto Rico. Glad to be back in the US. 

Sorry that Kimberlite remains in limbo. I am not able to help out bringing her up. But let me know about anything else. 

Tom Peacock

Aletes SM 240

 

with its tiny keyboard

 

On May 22, 2020, at 7:36 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I have made a reservation to get to St Thomas June 1st.  I will then be chartering a powerboat to St Maarten.

Once I arrive, I will check all systems and leave the following day.

Is there anyone who would also like to get to St Maarten to rescue their boat? We could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten?

 

Is there anyone trapped in St Maarten who would like to sail back to New York?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Getting to St Maarten- New York

eric freedman
 

Hi Porter,

Thanks for the offer.

I plan on flying to St Thomas June 1st.

I will either charter a small plane, if I can get into the airport, or a powerboat to take me to St Maarten June 2.

If they will allow me I will haul the boat June 3 and have it surveyed. I will then have insurance. I will have a friend do my food shopping.

We will fuel up and head directly for NY asap.

If you can get to St Thomas, please join us.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Getting to St Maarten

 

Eric. Can you let me know when you are thinking. I’d love to help you if it works out and you need a hand. 

 

Porter McRoberts 

S/V IBIS A54-152 (Opua) 

But we’re in Fort Lauderdale 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

Www.fouribis.net



On May 23, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,

This is Tom, not sure if the right Tom. 

We have just entered the Chesapeake, having spent 8 days coming up from Puerto Rico. Glad to be back in the US. 

Sorry that Kimberlite remains in limbo. I am not able to help out bringing her up. But let me know about anything else. 

Tom Peacock

Aletes SM 240

 

with its tiny keyboard



On May 22, 2020, at 7:36 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I have made a reservation to get to St Thomas June 1st.  I will then be chartering a powerboat to St Maarten.

Once I arrive, I will check all systems and leave the following day.

Is there anyone who would also like to get to St Maarten to rescue their boat? We could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten?

 

Is there anyone trapped in St Maarten who would like to sail back to New York?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Jeroen jeltes
 

Thank you Bill.  thank you for good advice . particularly spilling saltwater in the engineroom is never easy to remove/collect and this is where it hurts most.

ref water in bilge lockers; i feel more comfortable with the movable 150L/min pump .

best regards,  Jeroen  


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

 

Jeroen,

If water gets into areas where it should not be, removing the water is the same as any other separate compartment. You need to pump it out. Generally any water in these compartments is minor. I used a "wet vacuum," which was needed for many other projects on my Amel. For instance, anytime I opened any freshwater or saltwater system, I did so with the vacuum hose in hand. This included installing an impeller or rebuilding a pump. My goal was to never allow a single drop of saltwater to escape and fall on anything in the engine room. The absence of rust will repay you 100 times the cost of these precautions when you sell your Amel.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 3:13 PM Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

dear Bill,   i do understand how the bulkhead system works, with the waterticht compartments,  yet it is not clear to me how to remove water from these compartments, without the aid of a pump.
kind regards,  jeroen ( i do realize the drain function from the showers , you need a lot of water before these start .)


Re: Self Insurance

Porter McRoberts
 

Could not agree more Mark. 
I gave him Bill Rouses number to discuss. Not sure if they called. Seemed like a reasonable approach. 
I’m not the best one to lead this charge, but interested as I’m sure most are in any outcome. 

Porter A54-152


On May 24, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



On a side note, if others are tired of this thread, there is a great feature in this group where topics can be muted. There is a link at the bottom of each email received.

 

 

Hi Porter,

 

I looked at Novamar when renewing our policy a couple of year ago. They made their entrance into the market by selling mostly west coast sailors policies for Mexico. The agent I use and trusts talked very highly of them. He has written tons of Novamar policies. On other forums they are well recommended. We opted not to use them since their underwriter was wary of Pacific Ocean policies and required a crew of three on passages over 1,000 nm (prior approval required). In addition at the time I looked into them they required a full out-of-water survey less than a year old. This added a substantial amount to the cost of a policy change. Otherwise, their insurance rates were reasonable.

 

My 2 cents – if we are to pursue a group policy, there needs to be a period of enrollment were some rules are waived to encourage sign-up and minimize the cost of change. Also, an understanding Amel owners regularly sail passages over 1,000 nm without the need of crew.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 1:51 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

 

All. 

I spoke to My insurance agent Rob at Novamar. 

Some of you might know and use them. Specifically they were open to administering the program. They are reinsurers and have been quite capable and responsive in my limited interactions. Additionally they are sailors. Not sure if this would be a way to go. 

 

I am of course interested as well. I think if we’ll done we’d have tremendous interest. 

 

 

Porter A54-152 ibis. 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

Www.fouribis.net



On May 23, 2020, at 10:38 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Because we have had very few responses, we think that the uncertainty and amateurish sound of the initial posts has made people leery, and rightfully so.  Teun (Amelit A54) and Ken (Aquarious SM 2K) have some insurance knowledge and contacts they think might be able to help us out together a workable hybrid plan.  We are taking this discussion private until we have something more concrete to present. If anyone else wants to be in the loop as we discuss options, please let me know by private email.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Jeroen jeltes
 
Edited

dear Bill,   i do understand how the bulkhead system works, with the waterticht compartments,  yet it is not clear to me how to remove water from these compartments, without the aid of a pump.
kind regards,  jeroen ( i do realize the drain function from the showers , you need a lot of water before these start .)


Re: Self Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

On a side note, if others are tired of this thread, there is a great feature in this group where topics can be muted. There is a link at the bottom of each email received.

 

 

Hi Porter,

 

I looked at Novamar when renewing our policy a couple of year ago. They made their entrance into the market by selling mostly west coast sailors policies for Mexico. The agent I use and trusts talked very highly of them. He has written tons of Novamar policies. On other forums they are well recommended. We opted not to use them since their underwriter was wary of Pacific Ocean policies and required a crew of three on passages over 1,000 nm (prior approval required). In addition at the time I looked into them they required a full out-of-water survey less than a year old. This added a substantial amount to the cost of a policy change. Otherwise, their insurance rates were reasonable.

 

My 2 cents – if we are to pursue a group policy, there needs to be a period of enrollment were some rules are waived to encourage sign-up and minimize the cost of change. Also, an understanding Amel owners regularly sail passages over 1,000 nm without the need of crew.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 1:51 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

 

All. 

I spoke to My insurance agent Rob at Novamar. 

Some of you might know and use them. Specifically they were open to administering the program. They are reinsurers and have been quite capable and responsive in my limited interactions. Additionally they are sailors. Not sure if this would be a way to go. 

 

I am of course interested as well. I think if we’ll done we’d have tremendous interest. 

 

 

Porter A54-152 ibis. 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

Www.fouribis.net



On May 23, 2020, at 10:38 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Because we have had very few responses, we think that the uncertainty and amateurish sound of the initial posts has made people leery, and rightfully so.  Teun (Amelit A54) and Ken (Aquarious SM 2K) have some insurance knowledge and contacts they think might be able to help us out together a workable hybrid plan.  We are taking this discussion private until we have something more concrete to present. If anyone else wants to be in the loop as we discuss options, please let me know by private email.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Jeroen jeltes
 

sorry, i never said i made holes in the bulkheads .


Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor

Jose Venegas
 

After major surgery getting the motor/pump out of the engine room (there was no way I could get the back cover out) I found that after turning the motor by hand IT IS WORKING YEEEA!.
So, Mark you were correct. Now I need to get the motor do some excessive (we all s would do that during this COVID19 time) and I will be getting a newer (larger) capacitor next Monday. As usual, fixing one problem on an old boat usually means you break more part. In my case, the low pressure water inlet fitting to the pump broke in peaces when I tried to remove the hose. So, now I have a piece if the fitting inside the pump that I have to remove with a 1/2 in extractor that I have to buy on Monday together with a new fitting. Well that is the way it is, and I am very happy I don’t have to buy a new motor. (at least I hope so). Tomorrow I will know after I make it exercise for a couple of hours.)

Thank you Mark and Amel Group.

Jose and Magnolia
Ipanema SM2k, 278
Happily stuck in Grenada for another month


Re: Self Insurance

Porter McRoberts
 

All. 
I spoke to My insurance agent Rob at Novamar. 
Some of you might know and use them. Specifically they were open to administering the program. They are reinsurers and have been quite capable and responsive in my limited interactions. Additionally they are sailors. Not sure if this would be a way to go. 

I am of course interested as well. I think if we’ll done we’d have tremendous interest. 


Porter A54-152 ibis. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.net

On May 23, 2020, at 10:38 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Because we have had very few responses, we think that the uncertainty and amateurish sound of the initial posts has made people leery, and rightfully so.  Teun (Amelit A54) and Ken (Aquarious SM 2K) have some insurance knowledge and contacts they think might be able to help us out together a workable hybrid plan.  We are taking this discussion private until we have something more concrete to present. If anyone else wants to be in the loop as we discuss options, please let me know by private email.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: Self Insurance

karkauai
 

Hi all,
Because we have had very few responses, we think that the uncertainty and amateurish sound of the initial posts has made people leery, and rightfully so.  Teun (Amelit A54) and Ken (Aquarious SM 2K) have some insurance knowledge and contacts they think might be able to help us out together a workable hybrid plan.  We are taking this discussion private until we have something more concrete to present. If anyone else wants to be in the loop as we discuss options, please let me know by private email.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: lowering mainsail

Alan Leslie
 

Hi  Bill,

"Trying to find a line, bend it on and then .."

We have dedicated messenger lines for both main and mizzen halyards in the port side aft cockpit locker ready to go. A size smaller than the actual halyards means the bowline you tie through the loop on the halyard end goes through the mast slot with no real problem.

The Amel system certainly serves to reduce the amount of line there is swinging around the masts when sailing.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 - stuck in New Zealand, and me stuck in Australia!


Re: lowering mainsail

Arno Luijten
 

Hi William,

This is not unique for Amel. Oyster, Hallberg Rassy and other do the same for the bigger yachts. If you have 18 meters or more of mast the halyards become very, very long. As you rarely lover the sail anyway the tail of this halyard will be dangling at the base of the mast for almost eternity. This is not very practical. So what you do is you use a half-halyard with a Flemish-eye at the tail side. This eye is used to tie as mouseline to  (I'm using 6mm dyneema) if you need to lower the mainsail or genua.
This mouse-line sits normally in one of the cockpit lockers and is not used for other purposes.
On the Amet 54 you have a special track slider to tension the main halyard once it's up. I think the A55 has a secondary slide for the Genua as well.

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi Jeroen,

It's not clear to me... where did you run the discharge hose for the new pump?

These bilge compartments should always be dry so a high water alarm is usually sufficient for those rare times you have any liquid in there. Key words are "should" and "usually", but in my experience the only liquids have come from leaking provisions.

Cheers,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy SM23
Opua, NZ


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Arno Luijten
 

On the  topic of Bilge Pumps, what I find a bigger worry is the main bilge-pump can fail because of bad working valves. These are small rubber flaps inside the pump that start their career flat but over time become concave of shape. This can lead to (mainly the output valve) bad closing of this valve resulting in poor or no pumping action. You can replace the valves pretty easy and Amel sells the replacements.

This bilge-pump has a rough life as it needs to pump out quite some litres per day. Making sure you do not flush any solids in the sinks helps of course but I find the absence of a fall-back pump very annoying. There is a sensor that will send out an alarm if the bilge is over-flowing but it's position is not great to say the least. The water level will be quite high before that thing sends off an alarm. When the alarm sounds you will need to operate the manual bilge-pump as soon as you can and you will need to pump quite a lot of water overboard before the level is back to acceptable levels.

Because of this I recently installed a secondary electric bilge pump with it's own solid state sensor next to the bilge-pit. The sensor sits at the top of the bilge-pit, so it will start the secondary pump before the pit overflows. It also has an alarm connected to the circuit to notify us about the problem.

At least if now the primary pump fails I'm not forced to use the manual pump unless there is a huge ingress of water for whatever reason.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: lowering mainsail

 

Since the main and mizzen are in-mast furling sails and rarely dropped, having short halyards for the main and mizzen reduces line clutter on the deck. It is actually simple to use a messenger for both.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sat, May 23, 2020, 5:33 PM william reynolds <sail23692@...> wrote:
I've looked at all the old topics concerning dropping the furling mainsail and found a lot of  'what was Amel thinking'? on the length of the main halyard.  I've sailed many, many boats in my life but have never seen a furling main that could not be lowered with the installed halyard. One of the times you would w ant to lower it would be because of a mainsail failure/jam and it's probably going to be in adverse conditions. Trying to find a line, bend it on and then attempt to lower the main these   conditions  is not a safe prudent solution. Why did they do this? What was the reasoning and rational? Any reasonable answers?
Bill Reynolds - CloudStreet 


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Jeroen,

Most owners have flooded the forward bilges when refilling the watertank. It’s a bit of a design flaw as there is actually an overflow to the cavity of the companion way hatch and from there into the grey water bilge. Even if not clogged it cannot handle the volume of water coming from a garden hose.
I managed to do it twice already...
A pump may help but as others say you need to think about the watertight compartments. You could use the A/C drain of the saloon A/C as evacuation hose. The water would then end up in the grey water bilge. 

Personally I’m thinking to put an alarm on the dipstick to signal overfilling. That would prevent the overflow in the first place.

Regards,

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121