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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Arno;
Thanks for the information. I am still unclear as to exactly how the cables are run and, as you suggested, we will be checking to be sure they are terminated correctly. Our goal is to eliminate the need to run new cables. At this point, I am also unclear as to how big a job it is to route new cables. Our plan is to investigate routing, once we get onboard this season.
Keep in mind that the wattage specified is in ideal conditions at 25 degrees C. Most of our engine rooms will see much higher operating temperatures in the usual cruising grounds. For example, a 3000W Victron inverter/charger will only be able to supply 2200W at 40 deg C and 1700 at 65 deg C. Also, running the inverter at a lower percentage of the max rating will result in a longer lifespan and cooler operating temperature of the unit.
The reason why the larger inverter power can now be considered, is the availability of Lithium technology that allows the kind of current needed to power an inverter of this size, without stressing the batteries. Since we plan on replacing the next set of batteries with Lithiums in 2-3 years, this upgrade makes sense for us. The ultimate goal being the ability to power all of the systems on board from the batteries (albeit not at the same time) and have enough solar power to keep the Lithium batteries charged, with the occasional need to run the generator, based on weather and power usage.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 9:06 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Mohammad,
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Re: ZOOM meeting follow up - comments welcome here
ste.dente
Thank you, Tilo and Bill, for the first zoom meeting. I saw it on You Tube and it was interesting for me. I´m not ever able to understand all the different english accent but…
I would for sure appreciate all other meeting you will be able to organise. All my best Stefania Dente SN # 93 Euploia Bocca di Magra Italy
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Re: Onan Genset Information/WaterPumpOverhaul.
Hi Brent,
Funny. I did exactly what you described and came up with nothing. Good to know that the search function can be a bit funny at times. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Teun,
What a strange place to have this Inverter. I vaguely remember this was the spot where Amel would put the isolation transformer if that was requested. As Mohammad said before the "normal" place for the inverter is behind the genset. This Victron inverter may have been to big for that spot though. Personally I find these huge inverters scary, the power-draw is immense and they really kick the batteries hard when running for longer time. Also the electronics are under tremendous load, not the easiest thing in a marine environment. Even the 3500 I'm considering for Luna seems high to myself. With Lithium batteries this may be easier but I'm not at that point yet. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Mohammad,
Careful with that idea. The cables for the inverter go to the secondary side of the battery switches but the charger cables go to the primary side. If you run them in parallel without changing this setup you may end up with some strange and unwanted effects. Myself I was thinking to replace the 2500 W (actually its only 2000 W contentiously) with a 3500 W combi model from Mastervolt (Mass Combi Pro 24/3500-100) once it dies on me. That way you can use two 100A chargers to recharge the batteries while on genset. You just need to be very careful with the configuration of the chargers. Mastervolt told me that you can run the chargers in parallel as long are you use a Mastershunt to report on the state of the batteries. The shunt sends the information to the chargers. 3500 W is enough to run any of the appliances. I still need to check the diameter of the current 24V cable to the existing inverter to see if that can be done. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Onan Genset Information/WaterPumpOverhaul.
Here you go….https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files/Onan%20Genset%20Information/WaterPumpOverhaul.pdf
The easiest way to find something like that is to go to the files section in the group (https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files) and then enter it into the search box. I just entered the filename below (WaterPumpOverhaul.pdf). Found it right away. The guys did a great job of categorizing them but sometimes search is the easiest way to find things. Brent
-- Brent Cameron Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Teun;
Our chargers are mounted on the bulkhead to port side of the generator, so it is far away from the bilge. I really like the AMEL philosophy of all mechanical and electrical items in the engine room.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 2:11 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Mohammad,
I didn’t like the 5000 VICTRON in the engine room as located right above the bilge pump. With the presence of all the other pumps, water maker etc. for me too high a chance of potential conflict so moved in 2018 the VICTRON to the hanging locker in the pilot berth. Has been working great since 2018.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 3, 2020 14:10:09
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Hello Wolfgang;
We have a 2500 W inverter and a 100A and 40 A charger (All Mastervolt) on Kokomo. Our Inverter died at the end of last season. Our plan is to replace the existing 2500W inverter and the 100A charger with a Victron 24/8000W/200A Quattro charger/inverter. We will use both sets of existing cables, each rated at 100A@24V to power the new Victron. This should provide about 5000 W of power input to the inverter and eliminate the need for any new wiring.
Due to temperature de-rating of the inverter and the expected temperature in the engine room (At least 40 degrees C), I believe we will only be able to realistically get a maximum of about 5500W of power output, under normal summer and tropical conditions (this is according to the Victron Quattro Specs). This de-rating applies to all inverters. For example, the Victron Quattro 24/5000, is only capable of supplying 3700W at 40 degrees C.
Respectfully;
Mohammad Shirloo +1-323-633-2222 Cell +1-424-644-0908 Fax
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Wolfgang Weber via groups.io
Hi Gary, On our Amel54#162 we had a Mastervolt Charger 100 A and one with 40 A. My plan was to Change the Mastervolt 40A Charger to a Mastervolt Ultra Combi charger /inverter -100A Charging /3500 Watt inverting. The problem and Limit were the cable dimensions of the 40A Charger. As I die not want big work I had to use the 100A wires for the Combi and leave the 40A in place.With this way there was not much work to Change to the Combi. So I use the 40A Charger for Voltage 110-230 and 50-60 Hz and by the same Time get my 220 V/50 Hz at all places. I think with victron you could do the same. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162
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Onan Genset Information/WaterPumpOverhaul.
Sv Garulfo
Hello Could you please help me locate this file on the new group? (See email below) If it is no longer available, could someone with a copy please upload again (in a limited data friendly size ). Thanks for your help! Best Soraya Tahuata, marquesas, French Polynesia
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Re: "Bird Cage" TV Antenna
I had the same birdcage tv antenna, it had the same issues with corrosion in the base,
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Mohammad,
I didn’t like the 5000 VICTRON in the engine room as located right above the bilge pump. With the presence of all the other pumps, water maker etc. for me too high a chance of potential conflict so moved in 2018 the VICTRON to the hanging locker in the pilot berth. Has been working great since 2018.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 3, 2020 14:10:09
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 13:12 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hello Wolfgang;
We have a 2500 W inverter and a 100A and 40 A charger (All Mastervolt) on Kokomo. Our Inverter died at the end of last season. Our plan is to replace the existing 2500W inverter and the 100A charger with a Victron 24/8000W/200A Quattro charger/inverter. We will use both sets of existing cables, each rated at 100A@24V to power the new Victron. This should provide about 5000 W of power input to the inverter and eliminate the need for any new wiring.
Due to temperature de-rating of the inverter and the expected temperature in the engine room (At least 40 degrees C), I believe we will only be able to realistically get a maximum of about 5500W of power output, under normal summer and tropical conditions (this is according to the Victron Quattro Specs). This de-rating applies to all inverters. For example, the Victron Quattro 24/5000, is only capable of supplying 3700W at 40 degrees C.
Respectfully;
Mohammad Shirloo +1-323-633-2222 Cell +1-424-644-0908 Fax
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Wolfgang Weber via groups.io
Hi Gary, On our Amel54#162 we had a Mastervolt Charger 100 A and one with 40 A. My plan was to Change the Mastervolt 40A Charger to a Mastervolt Ultra Combi charger /inverter -100A Charging /3500 Watt inverting. The problem and Limit were the cable dimensions of the 40A Charger. As I die not want big work I had to use the 100A wires for the Combi and leave the 40A in place.With this way there was not much work to Change to the Combi. So I use the 40A Charger for Voltage 110-230 and 50-60 Hz and by the same Time get my 220 V/50 Hz at all places. I think with victron you could do the same. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Mohammad Shirloo
Hello Wolfgang;
We have a 2500 W inverter and a 100A and 40 A charger (All Mastervolt) on Kokomo. Our Inverter died at the end of last season. Our plan is to replace the existing 2500W inverter and the 100A charger with a Victron 24/8000W/200A Quattro charger/inverter. We will use both sets of existing cables, each rated at 100A@24V to power the new Victron. This should provide about 5000 W of power input to the inverter and eliminate the need for any new wiring.
Due to temperature de-rating of the inverter and the expected temperature in the engine room (At least 40 degrees C), I believe we will only be able to realistically get a maximum of about 5500W of power output, under normal summer and tropical conditions (this is according to the Victron Quattro Specs). This de-rating applies to all inverters. For example, the Victron Quattro 24/5000, is only capable of supplying 3700W at 40 degrees C.
Respectfully;
Mohammad Shirloo +1-323-633-2222 Cell +1-424-644-0908 Fax
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Wolfgang Weber via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 11:52 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Gary, On our Amel54#162 we had a Mastervolt Charger 100 A and one with 40 A. My plan was to Change the Mastervolt 40A Charger to a Mastervolt Ultra Combi charger /inverter -100A Charging /3500 Watt inverting. The problem and Limit were the cable dimensions of the 40A Charger. As I die not want big work I had to use the 100A wires for the Combi and leave the 40A in place.With this way there was not much work to Change to the Combi. So I use the 40A Charger for Voltage 110-230 and 50-60 Hz and by the same Time get my 220 V/50 Hz at all places. I think with victron you could do the same. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Thomas Kleman
Hey Mark- hope things are great in Papeete. We run the clothes washer in all seas subject to the wind being low enough to dry things.
I once took apart (completely) our old clothes washer to more easily remove it. About half the weight of it are these huge weights bolted to the to the sides to control vibration during spin cycles. I think that also helps when rolling. Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT Enjoying Oahu
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Gary, On our Amel54#162 we had a Mastervolt Charger 100 A and one with 40 A. My plan was to Change the Mastervolt 40A Charger to a Mastervolt Ultra Combi charger /inverter -100A Charging /3500 Watt inverting. The problem and Limit were the cable dimensions of the 40A Charger. As I die not want big work I had to use the 100A wires for the Combi and leave the 40A in place.With this way there was not much work to Change to the Combi. So I use the 40A Charger for Voltage 110-230 and 50-60 Hz and by the same Time get my 220 V/50 Hz at all places. I think with victron you could do the same. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Getting ready to upgrade the 220v inverter from 800w to 3k watts .. perhaps along the line of a Magnum combo or Victron charger and separate inverter (I kinda like non-combined systems so only one facet fails at a time:))Even with only 800 watts, the washer will wash and spin fine. Just has to be cold water only. This is a new machine so I think it's way more efficient.
Gary W. SM 209, Adagio Georgia, USA
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Re: "Bird Cage" TV Antenna
Marco Mancini
Duane,
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thanks for your answer and suggestion. I will definitely change the antenna. I hope to meet you sailing cheers Marco
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
greg greg
Good Idea!
to have the inverter powerful enough to run on board AC staff of your main standard! Instead of converter!
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
We have started using the inverter this year. Nice to have the freedom from the generator. We have a Bosch washer and the peake consumption is about 2500 watts for 3 minutes at the beginning of the cycle while it is heating the water. Not all washers are as efficient. We have the Victron MultiPlus Charger inverter and a 30 amp charger. If you have the Victron Multi's it is important to remember that when it is connected to shore power it will shift frequency to the frequency of the shore power source. That could be a bad surprise for your washer or microwave. Best to have a dedicated small charger for when you are on shore power and the ability to keep your Victron Multi electrically separate from shore power unless you deliberately flip a switch. Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387, currently in Les Saintes
On Sat, May 2, 2020, 5:00 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
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Re: "Bird Cage" TV Antenna
Duane Siegfri
Marco,
The corrosion was not visible until I dismounted the antenna. It was two years ago, so I'm not sure about possible visible clues, but it wasn't obvious to me at the time. If you're not getting reception though, my experience says replace the antenna. Good luck, Duane
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Re: OPACMARE gangway not rotating
luvkante
Thank you Arno,
AMEL54 #149 „CHIARA“
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
islandpearl2_sm2k332
Beware!!! The last time our trusty old Thompson Washer ever worked was the first time we ever used it whilst sailing in calm waters! We never did this before, but on sailing out of Ecuador for the first 4 hours of the long Pacific Ocean crossing to Hiva Oa, the seas were so flat and calm that we decided to give it a go. The wash cycle worked perfectly and so we started that particular 24-day ocean crossing with lovely clean washing, only to find that the machine would never work again! I say this just as a warning of our experience only, it could simply be a nasty coincidence but I would never do it again. Also, I should also pass on the good news that we were amazed to discover that the little white goods retailer in the shopping complex directly over the road from the Papeete Marina keeps just two or three Bosch washing machines which fit your SM perfectly with the correct cycles too, and which we found far superior to the older Thompsons in terms of both energy consumption and how well it washes your clothes. Warning though, it was VERY EXPENSIVE!! Colin Streeter EX Island Pearl II # 332
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:42 AM michael winand via groups.io <mfw642000=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote: We also have used the washing machine. Can be used with the engine alternator through the inverter. So if we have a hour or so of motoring and it's not too rough a load can be done. --
Colin Streeter 0411 016 445
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