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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Tony AMEL 54 #102

I'm very interested in your solar panel installation. Can you please send me any diagrams, specifications, pictures or any other info you think would be helpful.

Respectfully;

Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54
B&B Kokomo #99


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Barry and Penny, I installed an arch on my 54. It has two large (380W) solar panels, D400 wind generator, an antenna farm,, davits, and a crane lift - custom work for sure, but really nice.
If you are interested I could provide details and photos.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:07 AM, James Wendell wrote:


Tony, based on my experience you may want to double-check running a wire down the battery vent tube. My battery compartment explosion proved to me how important it is to keep that tube clear and breathing freely.
I am sure there is another way to route the cable.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:06 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Alan,

Can you tell me the dimensions and name of you solar panels ?

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza

From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 July 2016 09:20:57
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's
 
Hi Alan,

All that I am reading is convincing me to install as many solar panels as I can.
Firstly I am putting 2 x 270w panels from SolarXXX who are in Germany on my rear arch. SolarXXX recommended a 30amp controller. This arch is bolted through the deck, on advise from Olivier I am putting large plates under the deck for strength.
Could you send me a photo of your panels on the gantry? Any ideas would be helpful with the mounting on my arch.
Should do the install later this month. 

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54   #017
Port Corbieres - L'Estaque France


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:01 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
We have 3 x 200W panels on our EMEK gantry on our Super Maramu 53...also if anyone is interested we can supply details
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse
SM437







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

Tony, based on my experience you may want to double-check running a wire down the battery vent tube. My battery compartment explosion proved to me how important it is to keep that tube clear and breathing freely.
I am sure there is another way to route the cable.
Jamie
 
s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:06 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Alan,

Can you tell me the dimensions and name of you solar panels ?

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza

From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 12 July 2016 09:20:57
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's
 
Hi Alan,

All that I am reading is convincing me to install as many solar panels as I can.
Firstly I am putting 2 x 270w panels from SolarXXX who are in Germany on my rear arch. SolarXXX recommended a 30amp controller. This arch is bolted through the deck, on advise from Olivier I am putting large plates under the deck for strength.
Could you send me a photo of your panels on the gantry? Any ideas would be helpful with the mounting on my arch.
Should do the install later this month. 

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54   #017
Port Corbieres - L'Estaque France


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:01 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
We have 3 x 200W panels on our EMEK gantry on our Super Maramu 53...also if anyone is interested we can supply details
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse
SM437





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Sonic Speed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gerhard,

That is great news. My information was also from Pochon, about two years ago. I also discussed the subject with the Pochon office in Martinique in February this year. And, I also had several discussions with B&G who searched for new old stock and found none.

Which Pochon office did you buy them from and when was this?

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 6:30 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill & all,


I bought new B&G sensors from Pochon (www.pochon.com).  They are the original suppliers for Amel.  The cost for two sensors was 455 Euros without VAT and transport.  They are the straight ones and do not need any fibreglass cutting work, should be easily replaceable when the boat is out of the water.  I haven't done it yet.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SM381 Pepino

Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Alan,


Can you tell me the dimensions and name of you solar panels ?


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Preveza


From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: 12 July 2016 09:20:57
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's
 
Hi Alan,

All that I am reading is convincing me to install as many solar panels as I can.
Firstly I am putting 2 x 270w panels from SolarXXX who are in Germany on my rear arch. SolarXXX recommended a 30amp controller. This arch is bolted through the deck, on advise from Olivier I am putting large plates under the deck for strength.
Could you send me a photo of your panels on the gantry? Any ideas would be helpful with the mounting on my arch.
Should do the install later this month. 

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54   #017
Port Corbieres - L'Estaque France


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:01 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
We have 3 x 200W panels on our EMEK gantry on our Super Maramu 53...also if anyone is interested we can supply details
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse
SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

Barry Connor
 

Hi Alan,

All that I am reading is convincing me to install as many solar panels as I can.
Firstly I am putting 2 x 270w panels from SolarXXX who are in Germany on my rear arch. SolarXXX recommended a 30amp controller. This arch is bolted through the deck, on advise from Olivier I am putting large plates under the deck for strength.
Could you send me a photo of your panels on the gantry? Any ideas would be helpful with the mounting on my arch.
Should do the install later this month. 

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54   #017
Port Corbieres - L'Estaque France


On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:01 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
We have 3 x 200W panels on our EMEK gantry on our Super Maramu 53...also if anyone is interested we can supply details
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse
SM437



Re: Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

Alan Leslie
 

We have 3 x 200W panels on our EMEK gantry on our Super Maramu 53...also if anyone is interested we can supply details
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse
SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
 

I have mounted a 250W panel on top of my spray hood using a purpose built stainless steel frame. It doesn't interferre with the boom, and I did not have to drill any holes in the deck as I fed the charging wire down the battery vent tube. I believe it has cut the use of my generator in half, and keeps the battery bank topped up throughout the winter.

Tony Robinson

Catriona R - Amel 54 #102



From: "jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 7:58 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

 
Hello "54" owners,

I contacted the owner of a 54 who installed 4 X 150W solar panels on an Emek marine produced gantry.

He was my dock neighbour and has agreed to share the details of his installation if you are interested.

Regards and fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007



Solar panel installation - AMEL 54's

jgermain@...
 

Hello "54" owners,


I contacted the owner of a 54 who installed 4 X 150W solar panels on an Emek marine produced gantry.


He was my dock neighbour and has agreed to share the details of his installation if you are interested.


Regards and fair winds,


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera, SM 007


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Sonic Speed

pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Bill & all,


I bought new B&G sensors from Pochon (www.pochon.com).  They are the original suppliers for Amel.  The cost for two sensors was 455 Euros without VAT and transport.  They are the straight ones and do not need any fibreglass cutting work, should be easily replaceable when the boat is out of the water.  I haven't done it yet.


Gerhard Hoffmann

SM381 Pepino

Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing system

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi to all interesting with the thread "Fuel Polishing System"
I agree with all comments. I installed by hasard the US- Product AIX product; between the prefilter and the Racor. Ok different ideas(google it); but since them no black toches on my port side after the exhaust. Miracoulaous? Its a passiv element. dont ask me how it works pysical or  chimical ita a permanent magnet who cleans fuel from any bacteries ? After all 3 filling of the tank i put Gloamar 77 , Glotamar 82; its prouven that is the best product worldwide ( google it and see the comments).
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
Greece

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Am 11.07.2016 um 20:03 schrieb Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Colin,

Yes, there is a second return welded into a plate at the top of the tank, right next to the dedicated fuel pickup.

Mark
Sabbatical III, ASM 419, Porto Taverna, Sardinia


On Jul 11, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mark
Thanks Mark. Does that mean that you plumbed / welded a 2nd return entrance pipe back into the fuel tank, ie. separate from the one that pushes the engine and generator excess fuel back into the tank?
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332
Brisbane

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,

My fuel polisher has its own fuel return.

Mark Pitt
S/V Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419, Sardinia



On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark
Glad to hear it works so well and I will certainly follow your great idea about including a T piece for re-fuelling from jerry cans. What a brillinant idea as I am currently on the look out for a Baja Fuel filter too.

One question, did you simply plumb the return fuel flow into the normal engine return flow valve at the top and aft cabin end of the SM's fuel tank? Being an amateur at this I was worried that the speed of the pump may force too much fuel through that small inlet?

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I installed this Reverso fuel polisher on Sabbatical III ten years ago and it was one of the best additions that I could have made.  I put a tee on the inlet hose to the Reverso and attached about 3 meters so fuel hose on the other side of the tee. When I have needed to jerry can fuel in the South Pacific or Indonesia,I just put the hose in the jerry cans lined up on the cockpit seat and had the Reverso suck the fuel through the large 10 micro Racor filter.  When I used a fuel dock that was suspect, such as in Vanuatu,  I put the fuel nozzle and my fuel hose for the fuel polisher in a single Jerry can and just kept fuel coming into the Jerry can at the same rate the Reverso polished pulled it out. It is rated at 550 liters for hours.  Faster than a Baja filter.

I use the fuel polisher for a few hours every week and my tank is totally clean.  I use 10 micron filters in the AMEL-installed dual Racor primary system since it would make sense to polish fuel at 10 micron and filter it at 30 microns just before it is burned.

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419
Sardinia





On Jul 10, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Regarding the original question on installing a fuel polishing system we purchased a Reverso fuel polishing system in Fort Lauderdale and will be fitting it soon. We placed it on the rear engine wall behind the motor and above the dual Racor filters on the Super Maramu. Seems to fit well there although it is a large unit. Only modification required was to replace a section of the Onan's exhaust pipe with a slightly longer piece.

Cannot comment on how good it is as we have yet to plumb it into the fuel system however it was rated well on Active Captain and it comes with a timer, vaccuum guage etc as a complete easy to install kit. This was possibly an unnecessary extra item as we already have the dual Racor filters with quick change over switch but got this for extra peace of mind given our intended cruise through Indonesia and Indian ocean islands next year.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 # 332
Brisbane

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:06 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I'll add a things that I am sure everyone does.

  1. If at all possible, use a busy fuel dock. The busier, the better. When using a busy fuel dock, filter the first 20-40 liters...if all is clear with no water, fill freely.
  2. Also, I am sure that we all use some sort of fuel treatment. Eric's suggestion is good, or the enzyme-type treatment from StarBrite, or both. 
  3. Lastly, if your boat sits up for months at a time, open the inspection ports on the tank and do two things: Using a pump, extract at least a liter from the lowest point that you can reach, preferably just off the bottom and examine for water. If you get some water, repeat until you no longer get water. Then  tie a white cloth to the end of a broomstick and wipe the cloth against the side and bottom of the tank to examine how much crud is against the sides. A lot of crud will mean that you probably need the tank and fuel professionally cleaned.
Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad
 

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Jean-Pierre Germain jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello both of you,

FWIW, when planning the improvements needed for trouble free RTW, I considered options including nuclear purification:-)

Eventually I avoided the over engineered system by choosing a pair of Racor 75900 with 4 way valve. Never had more than a trace of dirt. The fuel gets effectively polished both on the feed and return lines. I don't foresee any big problem in the future. 

Any suspected fuel would be passed through on fill up. Used this effectively in the past

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007



On 10 Jul 2016, at 10:30, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Regarding portable filters you would use at the fuel dock, this is a cut and past from a previous post we made--"We've had good luck with the Mr. Funnel filter, we use the largest one with 2 filters in the bowl.  The flow rate is good and it allows you to reasonably fill your Amel tank at the fuel dock at 12 gpm.  The Mr. Funnel, West Marine, and Racor RFF are the same and all made by Shurhold.  You can test it periodically by filling about 1/4 full with water and confirming that none passes, with more water, say 1/2 there is enough pressure to push the water through.  Can also use it for a contaminated outboard tank but take precautions with gasoline!  Racor says it filters down to 50 microns  http://www.parker.com/literature/Racor/Racor_Fuel_Filtration_-_Fuel_Filter_Funnels_-_7568.pdf  "  The fact that Racor is marketing a version is a good endorsement I think. 


Regarding a fuel polishing system.  I would urge you to take a close look at "fuel purifiers"..We used an RCI fuel purifier for about 8 years on our Santorin and we drained a significant amount of gunk out before if got to our Racors.  We are presently using a similar MLS which we purchased in the Netherlands.  Professional fuel polishers tend to use these kinds of units with their portable polishers and they are also popular on earth movers, buses, trucks, etc.There are not filters to drain and they don't clog..  They say they remove 99% of the water and particulates and you just drain it out into a cup and discard.   I would just put it inline ahead of the Racors and would not bother with a circulation pump or anything else.  As noted in this discussion, there is considerably more diesel fuel pumped through the fuel system than is used by the engine.  Excess fuel is frequently used to cool the injectors.  Universal Fuel Purifiers | RCI Technologies

  If you ever wonder how fuel polishers do their work without going through scores of filters the answer is that they use fuel purifiers. Portable Fuel Polishing Units | RCI Technologies

 

 I used to provide a website for a diesel shop in Maryland and they gave me a deluxe on-board polisher for my Santorin which you can read about in the link that follows--but I think the design was over-kill and on my Super Maramu I use just an initial inline fuel purifier (rated for 300 hp diesels, I think) Marine Diesel -Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning Onboard Fuel Polisher
Marine Diesel -Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning ...
Diesel Center--Marine Diesel Engine and Maintenance, Repair, Repowering. Located near Annapolis, serving the Chesapeake. Specializing in Diesel Repa...
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Marine Diesel Center-Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning On Board Fuel Polisher
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Again that system was real overkill and I don't happen to believe in the Algae-X they threw in.... 

Regarding the 2/10/30 micron, IMHO the most important thing is to see that your suction pressure remains low on your Racor.  If you don't have one you should install a gauge.  In a cumulative 11 years of using fuel purifiers I don't think I ever really needed to change a Racor filter.  They were always clean when I removed them on a scheduled basis and the suction pressure never built up.

Regarding additives I have always been a fan of Stanadyne Stanadyne Additives
Stanadyne Additives
The heart of your engine is its fuel injection equipment and the major enemy of this equipment is poor quality fuel.
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  They are in the diesel pump and injector manufacturing business and it is what they market  Stanadyne

Stanadyne
Stanadyne is a global leader in fuel injection system technology for diesel and gasoline engines, enabling greater efficiency, engine power and performance.
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Bob, KAIMI #429, Marmaris, Türkiye
 





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins Prima M50 hour meter repair

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

I have done the same and located at galley. Also makes it easier to monitor fuel usage predications.
Ric
Bali Hai SN24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Jul 11, 2016, at 1:23 PM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My hour meter didn't work when I bought the boat. I got a new one off eBay for around £6, connected it to a negative terminal and a switched positive from the ignition. It sits in front of the course computer above the galley. I reckoned I only need it to keep an eye on service intervals and was easier than trying to replace the original. 

Ian
'Ocean Hobo' SN96

Sent from my iPod

On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:04, danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When I had bought HEUREKA (Santorin No 64, 1992) two years ago, the hour meter hadn't  worked for many many years. In my case one of the gears inside the hour meter had pulverized over time. A problem that many VDO hour metres of the late 80ies seem to have, not only in boats, but also in cars, etc. There is a cheap solution for this problem at


where the specific gear can be ordered for 22 Euro. But watch out: there seem to be different models of hour metres. You have to count the number of teeth on the gear next to the gear you want to replace. Then you know which "size" you have to order. For me it worked perfectly  well. The hour meter turns at 1/100th of an hour or at each 36 seconds - just as it should.

Daniel

HEUREKA
Santorin no 64
Kuşadası, Turkey



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins Prima M50 hour meter repair

Ian Park
 

My hour meter didn't work when I bought the boat. I got a new one off eBay for around £6, connected it to a negative terminal and a switched positive from the ignition. It sits in front of the course computer above the galley. I reckoned I only need it to keep an eye on service intervals and was easier than trying to replace the original. 

Ian
'Ocean Hobo' SN96

Sent from my iPod

On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:04, danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When I had bought HEUREKA (Santorin No 64, 1992) two years ago, the hour meter hadn't  worked for many many years. In my case one of the gears inside the hour meter had pulverized over time. A problem that many VDO hour metres of the late 80ies seem to have, not only in boats, but also in cars, etc. There is a cheap solution for this problem at


where the specific gear can be ordered for 22 Euro. But watch out: there seem to be different models of hour metres. You have to count the number of teeth on the gear next to the gear you want to replace. Then you know which "size" you have to order. For me it worked perfectly  well. The hour meter turns at 1/100th of an hour or at each 36 seconds - just as it should.

Daniel

HEUREKA
Santorin no 64
Kuşadası, Turkey



Perkins Prima M50 hour meter repair

danielmfrey63@...
 

When I had bought HEUREKA (Santorin No 64, 1992) two years ago, the hour meter hadn't  worked for many many years. In my case one of the gears inside the hour meter had pulverized over time. A problem that many VDO hour metres of the late 80ies seem to have, not only in boats, but also in cars, etc. There is a cheap solution for this problem at

http://www.plastikzahnrader.com/hour-meter-vdo/hour-meter-vdo-gear-20-x.html?___store=en

where the specific gear can be ordered for 22 Euro. But watch out: there seem to be different models of hour metres. You have to count the number of teeth on the gear next to the gear you want to replace. Then you know which "size" you have to order. For me it worked perfectly  well. The hour meter turns at 1/100th of an hour or at each 36 seconds - just as it should.

Daniel

HEUREKA
Santorin no 64
Kuşadası, Turkey



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing system

Mark Pitt
 

Colin,

Yes, there is a second return welded into a plate at the top of the tank, right next to the dedicated fuel pickup.

Mark
Sabbatical III, ASM 419, Porto Taverna, Sardinia


On Jul 11, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mark
Thanks Mark. Does that mean that you plumbed / welded a 2nd return entrance pipe back into the fuel tank, ie. separate from the one that pushes the engine and generator excess fuel back into the tank?
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332
Brisbane

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,

My fuel polisher has its own fuel return.

Mark Pitt
S/V Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419, Sardinia



On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark
Glad to hear it works so well and I will certainly follow your great idea about including a T piece for re-fuelling from jerry cans. What a brillinant idea as I am currently on the look out for a Baja Fuel filter too.

One question, did you simply plumb the return fuel flow into the normal engine return flow valve at the top and aft cabin end of the SM's fuel tank? Being an amateur at this I was worried that the speed of the pump may force too much fuel through that small inlet?

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Mark Pitt mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I installed this Reverso fuel polisher on Sabbatical III ten years ago and it was one of the best additions that I could have made.  I put a tee on the inlet hose to the Reverso and attached about 3 meters so fuel hose on the other side of the tee. When I have needed to jerry can fuel in the South Pacific or Indonesia,I just put the hose in the jerry cans lined up on the cockpit seat and had the Reverso suck the fuel through the large 10 micro Racor filter.  When I used a fuel dock that was suspect, such as in Vanuatu,  I put the fuel nozzle and my fuel hose for the fuel polisher in a single Jerry can and just kept fuel coming into the Jerry can at the same rate the Reverso polished pulled it out. It is rated at 550 liters for hours.  Faster than a Baja filter.

I use the fuel polisher for a few hours every week and my tank is totally clean.  I use 10 micron filters in the AMEL-installed dual Racor primary system since it would make sense to polish fuel at 10 micron and filter it at 30 microns just before it is burned.

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419
Sardinia





On Jul 10, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Regarding the original question on installing a fuel polishing system we purchased a Reverso fuel polishing system in Fort Lauderdale and will be fitting it soon. We placed it on the rear engine wall behind the motor and above the dual Racor filters on the Super Maramu. Seems to fit well there although it is a large unit. Only modification required was to replace a section of the Onan's exhaust pipe with a slightly longer piece.

Cannot comment on how good it is as we have yet to plumb it into the fuel system however it was rated well on Active Captain and it comes with a timer, vaccuum guage etc as a complete easy to install kit. This was possibly an unnecessary extra item as we already have the dual Racor filters with quick change over switch but got this for extra peace of mind given our intended cruise through Indonesia and Indian ocean islands next year.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 # 332
Brisbane

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:06 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I'll add a things that I am sure everyone does.

  1. If at all possible, use a busy fuel dock. The busier, the better. When using a busy fuel dock, filter the first 20-40 liters...if all is clear with no water, fill freely.
  2. Also, I am sure that we all use some sort of fuel treatment. Eric's suggestion is good, or the enzyme-type treatment from StarBrite, or both. 
  3. Lastly, if your boat sits up for months at a time, open the inspection ports on the tank and do two things: Using a pump, extract at least a liter from the lowest point that you can reach, preferably just off the bottom and examine for water. If you get some water, repeat until you no longer get water. Then  tie a white cloth to the end of a broomstick and wipe the cloth against the side and bottom of the tank to examine how much crud is against the sides. A lot of crud will mean that you probably need the tank and fuel professionally cleaned.
Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad
 

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Jean-Pierre Germain jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello both of you,

FWIW, when planning the improvements needed for trouble free RTW, I considered options including nuclear purification:-)

Eventually I avoided the over engineered system by choosing a pair of Racor 75900 with 4 way valve. Never had more than a trace of dirt. The fuel gets effectively polished both on the feed and return lines. I don't foresee any big problem in the future. 

Any suspected fuel would be passed through on fill up. Used this effectively in the past

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007



On 10 Jul 2016, at 10:30, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Regarding portable filters you would use at the fuel dock, this is a cut and past from a previous post we made--"We've had good luck with the Mr. Funnel filter, we use the largest one with 2 filters in the bowl.  The flow rate is good and it allows you to reasonably fill your Amel tank at the fuel dock at 12 gpm.  The Mr. Funnel, West Marine, and Racor RFF are the same and all made by Shurhold.  You can test it periodically by filling about 1/4 full with water and confirming that none passes, with more water, say 1/2 there is enough pressure to push the water through.  Can also use it for a contaminated outboard tank but take precautions with gasoline!  Racor says it filters down to 50 microns  http://www.parker.com/literature/Racor/Racor_Fuel_Filtration_-_Fuel_Filter_Funnels_-_7568.pdf  "  The fact that Racor is marketing a version is a good endorsement I think. 


Regarding a fuel polishing system.  I would urge you to take a close look at "fuel purifiers"..We used an RCI fuel purifier for about 8 years on our Santorin and we drained a significant amount of gunk out before if got to our Racors.  We are presently using a similar MLS which we purchased in the Netherlands.  Professional fuel polishers tend to use these kinds of units with their portable polishers and they are also popular on earth movers, buses, trucks, etc.There are not filters to drain and they don't clog..  They say they remove 99% of the water and particulates and you just drain it out into a cup and discard.   I would just put it inline ahead of the Racors and would not bother with a circulation pump or anything else.  As noted in this discussion, there is considerably more diesel fuel pumped through the fuel system than is used by the engine.  Excess fuel is frequently used to cool the injectors.  Universal Fuel Purifiers | RCI Technologies

  If you ever wonder how fuel polishers do their work without going through scores of filters the answer is that they use fuel purifiers. Portable Fuel Polishing Units | RCI Technologies

 

 I used to provide a website for a diesel shop in Maryland and they gave me a deluxe on-board polisher for my Santorin which you can read about in the link that follows--but I think the design was over-kill and on my Super Maramu I use just an initial inline fuel purifier (rated for 300 hp diesels, I think) Marine Diesel -Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning Onboard Fuel Polisher
Marine Diesel -Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning ...
Diesel Center--Marine Diesel Engine and Maintenance, Repair, Repowering. Located near Annapolis, serving the Chesapeake. Specializing in Diesel Repa...
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Marine Diesel Center-Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning On Board Fuel Polisher
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Again that system was real overkill and I don't happen to believe in the Algae-X they threw in.... 

Regarding the 2/10/30 micron, IMHO the most important thing is to see that your suction pressure remains low on your Racor.  If you don't have one you should install a gauge.  In a cumulative 11 years of using fuel purifiers I don't think I ever really needed to change a Racor filter.  They were always clean when I removed them on a scheduled basis and the suction pressure never built up.

Regarding additives I have always been a fan of Stanadyne Stanadyne Additives
Stanadyne Additives
The heart of your engine is its fuel injection equipment and the major enemy of this equipment is poor quality fuel.
Preview by Yahoo

  They are in the diesel pump and injector manufacturing business and it is what they market  Stanadyne

Stanadyne
Stanadyne is a global leader in fuel injection system technology for diesel and gasoline engines, enabling greater efficiency, engine power and performance.
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Bob, KAIMI #429, Marmaris, Türkiye
 





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing system

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks Colin!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Mon, 7/11/16, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing system
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, July 11, 2016, 8:11 AM


 









Alexandre
Here is the link to it at
Defender
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|311|2349059|2349062&id=2036672

Colin
StreeterIsland Pearl II, Amel 53
#332Brisbane
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at
10:46 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









What is the name of that filter?



Alexandre



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On Mon, 7/11/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing
system

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Monday, July 11, 2016, 7:33 AM





 





























Hi Colin,

                    I suggest that instead of
a

Baja filter you look out for one of the newer ( 8 years
old)

filters that consist of a black plastic , flat bottomed

funnel with a vertical filter tube in the centre. We
used

one in South America to great effect.

I have seen comparison tests with the Baja and the Baja

came a poor second, as well as needing a lot of cleaning

each time you use it.

 I don't have the name of the black filter but it
is

widely available in chandlers ( I think it is made in

Canada)

 I have demonstrated it to friends by filling it with

water--not a drop goes through the filter.  It
certainly

saved us on several occasions--once, 15% of the

"diesel" we bought was water and crud.







Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
on behalf of Colin

Streeter colin.d.streeter@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



Sent: 11 July 2016 11:06:43



To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing

system

 





Mark

Thanks Mark. Does that mean that you plumbed / welded a

2nd return entrance pipe back into the fuel tank, ie.

separate from the one that pushes the engine and
generator

excess fuel back into the tank?

Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332

Brisbane







On Mon, Jul 11, 2016

at 8:59 PM, Mark Pitt

mark_pitt@brown.edu
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:







 









Hi Colin,







My fuel polisher has its own fuel return.







Mark Pitt

S/V Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419, Sardinia
On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Colin Streeter

colin.d.streeter@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:













Thanks Mark

Glad to hear it works so well and I will certainly

follow your great idea about including a T piece for

re-fuelling from jerry cans. What a brillinant idea as I
am

currently on the look out for a Baja Fuel filter too.







One question, did you simply plumb the return fuel flow

into the normal engine return flow valve at the top and
aft

cabin end of the SM's fuel tank? Being an amateur at

this I was worried that the speed of the pump may force
too

much fuel through that

small inlet?







Colin Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332

Brisbane







On Sun, Jul 10, 2016

at 11:54 PM, Mark Pitt

mark_pitt@brown.edu
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:





 









I installed this Reverso fuel polisher on Sabbatical

III ten years ago and it was one of the best additions
that

I could have made.  I put a tee on the inlet hose to
the

Reverso and attached about 3 meters so fuel hose on the

other side of the tee. When

I have needed to jerry can fuel in the South Pacific or

Indonesia,I just put the hose in the jerry cans lined up
on

the cockpit seat and had the Reverso suck the fuel
through

the large 10 micro Racor filter.  When I used a fuel
dock

that was suspect, such

as in Vanuatu,  I put the fuel nozzle and my fuel hose
for

the fuel polisher in a single Jerry can and just kept
fuel

coming into the Jerry can at the same rate the Reverso

polished pulled it out. It is rated at 550 liters for

hours.  Faster than a Baja filter.







I use the fuel polisher for a few hours every week and

my tank is totally clean.  I use 10 micron filters in
the

AMEL-installed dual Racor primary system since it would
make

sense to polish fuel at 10 micron and filter it at 30

microns just before it is

burned.







Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419

Sardinia
On Jul 10, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Colin Streeter

colin.d.streeter@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:





















Regarding the original question on installing

a fuel polishing system we purchased a Reverso fuel

polishing system in Fort Lauderdale and will be fitting
it

soon. We placed it on the rear engine wall behind the
motor

and above the dual Racor

filters on the Super Maramu. Seems to fit well there

although it is a large unit. Only modification required
was

to replace a section of the Onan's exhaust pipe with
a

slightly longer piece.







Cannot comment on how good it is as we have yet to

plumb it into the fuel system however it was rated well
on

Active Captain and it comes with a timer, vaccuum guage
etc

as a complete easy to install kit. This was possibly an

unnecessary extra item as

we already have the dual Racor filters with quick
change

over switch but got this for extra peace of mind given
our

intended cruise through Indonesia and Indian ocean
islands

next year.







Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, Amel 53 # 332

Brisbane















On Sun, Jul 10, 2016

at 10:06 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:





 









I'll add a things that I am sure everyone

does.









If at all possible, use a busy fuel dock. The

busier, the better. When using a busy fuel dock, filter
the

first 20-40 liters...if all is clear with no water, fill

freely.Also, I am sure that we all use some

sort of fuel treatment. Eric's suggestion is good,
or

the enzyme-type treatment from StarBrite, or

both. Lastly, if your boat sits up for months at a

time, open the inspection ports on the tank and do
two

things: Using a pump, extract at least a liter from
the

lowest point that you can reach, preferably just off the

bottom and examine for water. If you get

some water, repeat until you no longer get water. Then

 tie a white cloth to the end of a broomstick and wipe
the

cloth against the side and bottom of the tank to examine
how

much crud is against the sides. A lot of crud will mean
that

you probably need the

tank and fuel professionally cleaned.

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

 













On Sun, Jul 10, 2016

at 11:03 AM, Jean-Pierre Germain

jgermain@xs4all.nl
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:





 









Hello both of you,







FWIW, when planning the improvements needed for trouble

free RTW, I considered options including nuclear

purification:-)







Eventually I avoided the over engineered system by

choosing a pair of Racor 75900 with 4 way valve. Never
had

more than a trace of dirt. The fuel gets effectively

polished both on the feed and return lines. I don't

foresee any big problem in the future. 







Any suspected fuel would be passed through on fill up.

Used this effectively in the past







Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM007
On 10 Jul 2016, at 10:30,

rossidesigngroup@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:











 



Regarding portable filters you would use at the fuel

dock, this is a cut and past from a previous post we

made--"We've had

good luck with the Mr. Funnel filter, we use the largest
one

with 2 filters in the bowl.  The flow

rate is good and it allows you to reasonably fill your
Amel

tank at the fuel dock at 12 gpm.  The Mr. Funnel, West

Marine, and Racor RFF are the same and all made by

Shurhold.  You can test it periodically by filling
about

1/4 full with water and confirming

that none passes, with more water, say 1/2 there is
enough

pressure to push the water through.  Can also use it for
a

contaminated outboard tank but take precautions with

gasoline!  Racor says it filters down to 50 microns

 http://www.parker.com/literature/Racor/Racor_Fuel_Filtration_-_Fuel_Filter_Funnels_-_7568.pdf 

"  The fact that

Racor is marketing a version is a good endorsement I

think. 







Regarding a fuel

polishing system.  I would urge you to take a close look
at

"fuel purifiers"..We used an RCI fuel purifier
for

about 8 years on our Santorin and we drained a
significant

amount of gunk out before if got

to our Racors.  We are presently using a similar MLS
which

we purchased in the Netherlands.  Professional fuel

polishers tend to use these kinds of units with their

portable polishers and they are also popular on earth

movers, buses, trucks, etc.There are

not filters to drain and they don't clog..  They
say

they remove 99% of the water and particulates and you
just

drain it out into a cup and discard.   I would just put
it

inline ahead of the Racors and would not bother with a

circulation pump or anything else. 

As noted in this discussion, there is considerably more

diesel fuel pumped through the fuel system than is used
by

the engine.  Excess fuel is frequently used to cool the

injectors.  Universal

Fuel Purifiers | RCI Technologies

























Universal

Fuel Purifiers | RCI Technologies

Universal

Fuel Purifiers











View

on www.rcitechnologie...









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by Yahoo











  If you ever wonder how fuel polishers do their work

without going through scores of filters the answer is
that

they use fuel purifiers. Portable

Fuel Polishing Units | RCI Technologies

























Portable

Fuel Polishing Units | RCI Technologies

Portable

Fuel Polishing Units











View

on www.rcitechnologie...









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by Yahoo











 



 I used to provide

a website for a diesel shop in Maryland and they gave me
a

deluxe on-board polisher for my Santorin which you can
read

about in the link that follows--but I think the design
was

over-kill and on my Super

Maramu I use just an initial inline fuel purifier
(rated

for 300 hp diesels, I think) Marine

Diesel -Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning Onboard

Fuel Polisher

























Marine

Diesel -Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning ...



Diesel

Center--Marine Diesel Engine and Maintenance, Repair,

Repowering. Located near Annapolis, serving the
Chesapeake.

Specializing in Diesel Repa...











View

on www.rossidesigngro...









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  and  

Marine

Diesel Center-Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning
On

Board Fuel Polisher

























Marine

Diesel Center-Advanced Fuel Filtering an...

Diesel

Center--Marine Diesel Engine and Maintenance, Repair,

Repowering. Located near Annapolis, serving the
Chesapeake.

Specializing in Diesel Repa...











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on www.rossidesigngro...









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Again that system

was real overkill and I don't happen to believe in
the

Algae-X they threw in.... 







Regarding the

2/10/30 micron, IMHO the most important thing is to see
that

your suction pressure remains low on your Racor.  If
you

don't have one you should install a gauge.  In a

cumulative 11 years of using fuel purifiers

I don't think I ever really needed to change a
Racor

filter.  They were always clean when I removed them on
a

scheduled basis and the suction pressure never built

up.







Regarding additives

I have always been a fan of Stanadyne Stanadyne

Additives















Stanadyne

Additives

The

heart of your engine is its fuel injection equipment and
the

major enemy of this equipment is poor quality fuel.













View

on stanadyneadditives.com







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by Yahoo











  They are in the diesel pump and injector
manufacturing

business and it is what they market  Stanadyne















Stanadyne



Stanadyne

is a global leader in fuel injection system technology
for

diesel and gasoline engines, enabling greater
efficiency,

engine power and performance.











View

on www.stanadyne.com







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by Yahoo











 









Bob, KAIMI #429,

Marmaris, Türkiye

 









































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Being prepared - Fuel Quality and other things.

Stephen Davis
 

All great advice Bill. We have duplicates of just about everything except a second drive unit, but expect to have that engineered and installed prior to crossing the Pacific. I've experienced dirty fuel twice on other boats, and because of this, I did install a fuel polishing unit. For $800, and a day of sweating in the engine room, it seemed cheap insurance. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Grenada

On Jul 11, 2016, at 08:35, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I read some of the posts regarding fuel polishing and wondered if the boats that added fuel polishing also have a complete autopilot replacement including drives, course computer, control head, fluxgate compass, and rudder reference.

There is no question that Amel Owners will sail to distant shores around the world. Jimmy Cornell told me that from his experience, when he owned the ARC and with his current Odyssey rallies, including the Atlantic Odyssey, 10% of the rally boats will experience autopilot failure when crossing oceans. Loss of an autopilot will cause a huge amount of effort by a crew to manually steer across an ocean. Dirty fuel, on the other hand is not a big problem, especially if you have a dozen Racor filters on-board.

I sometimes think that I have too many spares and I have added too many things to BeBe. For instance I have all of the parts onboard for the next 3 haulout... that is 6 years worth of parts. The water line is an inch higher than I like, but I do not have a fuel polisher, other than the fuel recycling which happens when an engine is running. I do have dual Racor filters, but have never had to switch filters from A to B because I change them regularly. I did have a Raymarine drive fail on a 1,200 mile passage, but turned the selector switch to the other drive.

I certainly don't want anyone to take this critical, and I am sure that all of you have thought of these things, but I believe that there is too much space devoted to fuel polishing at boat shows, don't you?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing system

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Alexandre

Here is the link to it at Defender


Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

What is the name of that filter?

Alexandre

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On Mon, 7/11/16, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing system
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, July 11, 2016, 7:33 AM


 














Hi Colin,
                    I suggest that instead of a
Baja filter you look out for one of the newer ( 8 years old)
filters that consist of a black plastic , flat bottomed
funnel with a vertical filter tube in the centre. We used
one in South America to great effect.
I have seen comparison tests with the Baja and the Baja
came a poor second, as well as needing a lot of cleaning
each time you use it.
 I don't have the name of the black filter but it is
widely available in chandlers ( I think it is made in
Canada)
 I have demonstrated it to friends by filling it with
water--not a drop goes through the filter.  It certainly
saved us on several occasions--once, 15% of the
"diesel" we bought was water and crud.



Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza


From: amelyachtowners@...
<amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Colin
Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: 11 July 2016 11:06:43

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fuel Polishing
system
 


Mark
Thanks Mark. Does that mean that you plumbed / welded a
2nd return entrance pipe back into the fuel tank, ie.
separate from the one that pushes the engine and generator
excess fuel back into the tank?
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332
Brisbane



On Mon, Jul 11, 2016
at 8:59 PM, Mark Pitt
mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 




Hi Colin,



My fuel polisher has its own fuel return.



Mark Pitt
S/V Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419, Sardinia









On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Colin Streeter
colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:






Thanks Mark
Glad to hear it works so well and I will certainly
follow your great idea about including a T piece for
re-fuelling from jerry cans. What a brillinant idea as I am
currently on the look out for a Baja Fuel filter too.



One question, did you simply plumb the return fuel flow
into the normal engine return flow valve at the top and aft
cabin end of the SM's fuel tank? Being an amateur at
this I was worried that the speed of the pump may force too
much fuel through that
small inlet?



Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane



On Sun, Jul 10, 2016
at 11:54 PM, Mark Pitt
mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:


 




I installed this Reverso fuel polisher on Sabbatical
III ten years ago and it was one of the best additions that
I could have made.  I put a tee on the inlet hose to the
Reverso and attached about 3 meters so fuel hose on the
other side of the tee. When
I have needed to jerry can fuel in the South Pacific or
Indonesia,I just put the hose in the jerry cans lined up on
the cockpit seat and had the Reverso suck the fuel through
the large 10 micro Racor filter.  When I used a fuel dock
that was suspect, such
as in Vanuatu,  I put the fuel nozzle and my fuel hose for
the fuel polisher in a single Jerry can and just kept fuel
coming into the Jerry can at the same rate the Reverso
polished pulled it out. It is rated at 550 liters for
hours.  Faster than a Baja filter.



I use the fuel polisher for a few hours every week and
my tank is totally clean.  I use 10 micron filters in the
AMEL-installed dual Racor primary system since it would make
sense to polish fuel at 10 micron and filter it at 30
microns just before it is
burned.



Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III, ASM hull 419
Sardinia















On Jul 10, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Colin Streeter
colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:










Regarding the original question on installing
a fuel polishing system we purchased a Reverso fuel
polishing system in Fort Lauderdale and will be fitting it
soon. We placed it on the rear engine wall behind the motor
and above the dual Racor
filters on the Super Maramu. Seems to fit well there
although it is a large unit. Only modification required was
to replace a section of the Onan's exhaust pipe with a
slightly longer piece.



Cannot comment on how good it is as we have yet to
plumb it into the fuel system however it was rated well on
Active Captain and it comes with a timer, vaccuum guage etc
as a complete easy to install kit. This was possibly an
unnecessary extra item as
we already have the dual Racor filters with quick change
over switch but got this for extra peace of mind given our
intended cruise through Indonesia and Indian ocean islands
next year.



Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 # 332
Brisbane







On Sun, Jul 10, 2016
at 10:06 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:


 




I'll add a things that I am sure everyone
does.




If at all possible, use a busy fuel dock. The
busier, the better. When using a busy fuel dock, filter the
first 20-40 liters...if all is clear with no water, fill
freely.Also, I am sure that we all use some

sort of fuel treatment. Eric's suggestion is good, or
the enzyme-type treatment from StarBrite, or
both. Lastly, if your boat sits up for months at a
time, open the inspection ports on the tank and do two
things: Using a pump, extract at least a liter from the
lowest point that you can reach, preferably just off the
bottom and examine for water. If you get
some water, repeat until you no longer get water. Then
 tie a white cloth to the end of a broomstick and wipe the
cloth against the side and bottom of the tank to examine how
much crud is against the sides. A lot of crud will mean that
you probably need the
tank and fuel professionally cleaned.
Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad
 






On Sun, Jul 10, 2016
at 11:03 AM, Jean-Pierre Germain
jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:


 




Hello both of you,



FWIW, when planning the improvements needed for trouble
free RTW, I considered options including nuclear
purification:-)



Eventually I avoided the over engineered system by
choosing a pair of Racor 75900 with 4 way valve. Never had
more than a trace of dirt. The fuel gets effectively
polished both on the feed and return lines. I don't
foresee any big problem in the future. 



Any suspected fuel would be passed through on fill up.
Used this effectively in the past



Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007









On 10 Jul 2016, at 10:30,
rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





 

Regarding portable filters you would use at the fuel
dock, this is a cut and past from a previous post we
made--"We've had
good luck with the Mr. Funnel filter, we use the largest one
with 2 filters in the bowl.  The flow
rate is good and it allows you to reasonably fill your Amel
tank at the fuel dock at 12 gpm.  The Mr. Funnel, West
Marine, and Racor RFF are the same and all made by
Shurhold.  You can test it periodically by filling about
1/4 full with water and confirming
that none passes, with more water, say 1/2 there is enough
pressure to push the water through.  Can also use it for a
contaminated outboard tank but take precautions with
gasoline!  Racor says it filters down to 50 microns
 http://www.parker.com/literature/Racor/Racor_Fuel_Filtration_-_Fuel_Filter_Funnels_-_7568.pdf 
"  The fact that
Racor is marketing a version is a good endorsement I
think. 



Regarding a fuel
polishing system.  I would urge you to take a close look at
"fuel purifiers"..We used an RCI fuel purifier for
about 8 years on our Santorin and we drained a significant
amount of gunk out before if got
to our Racors.  We are presently using a similar MLS which
we purchased in the Netherlands.  Professional fuel
polishers tend to use these kinds of units with their
portable polishers and they are also popular on earth
movers, buses, trucks, etc.There are
not filters to drain and they don't clog..  They say
they remove 99% of the water and particulates and you just
drain it out into a cup and discard.   I would just put it
inline ahead of the Racors and would not bother with a
circulation pump or anything else. 
As noted in this discussion, there is considerably more
diesel fuel pumped through the fuel system than is used by
the engine.  Excess fuel is frequently used to cool the
injectors.  Universal
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 I used to provide
a website for a diesel shop in Maryland and they gave me a
deluxe on-board polisher for my Santorin which you can read
about in the link that follows--but I think the design was
over-kill and on my Super
Maramu I use just an initial inline fuel purifier (rated
for 300 hp diesels, I think) Marine
Diesel -Advanced Fuel Filtering and Conditioning Onboard
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Again that system
was real overkill and I don't happen to believe in the
Algae-X they threw in.... 



Regarding the
2/10/30 micron, IMHO the most important thing is to see that
your suction pressure remains low on your Racor.  If you
don't have one you should install a gauge.  In a
cumulative 11 years of using fuel purifiers
I don't think I ever really needed to change a Racor
filter.  They were always clean when I removed them on a
scheduled basis and the suction pressure never built
up.



Regarding additives
I have always been a fan of Stanadyne Stanadyne
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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Being prepared - Fuel Quality and other things.

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Bill

That is good sage advice from someone who has already circumnavigated to someone like me who has not. In our case we purchased the boat 5 years ahead of being in a position to cruise so have continued to upgrade endlessly whilst we get ready to go. Two complete autopilots, two radars, two depth sounders and on and on.......

You are dead right, sometimes it's best to not overthink things and just go lest one falls into the all too common trap of never untying the lines. And yes, my next job is going to be to paint the bottom lines a little higher.

Kind regards
Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II Amel53 #332
Brisbane



On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:35 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I read some of the posts regarding fuel polishing and wondered if the boats that added fuel polishing also have a complete autopilot replacement including drives, course computer, control head, fluxgate compass, and rudder reference.

There is no question that Amel Owners will sail to distant shores around the world. Jimmy Cornell told me that from his experience, when he owned the ARC and with his current Odyssey rallies, including the Atlantic Odyssey, 10% of the rally boats will experience autopilot failure when crossing oceans. Loss of an autopilot will cause a huge amount of effort by a crew to manually steer across an ocean. Dirty fuel, on the other hand is not a big problem, especially if you have a dozen Racor filters on-board.

I sometimes think that I have too many spares and I have added too many things to BeBe. For instance I have all of the parts onboard for the next 3 haulout... that is 6 years worth of parts. The water line is an inch higher than I like, but I do not have a fuel polisher, other than the fuel recycling which happens when an engine is running. I do have dual Racor filters, but have never had to switch filters from A to B because I change them regularly. I did have a Raymarine drive fail on a 1,200 mile passage, but turned the selector switch to the other drive.

I certainly don't want anyone to take this critical, and I am sure that all of you have thought of these things, but I believe that there is too much space devoted to fuel polishing at boat shows, don't you?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Sonic Speed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

I was quoted 1,200 euro just for the sensors, and I computed the 3,000 euro minimum price based on that. I think that if you could get the sensors the cost would be closer to 3,000 including parts, technician, and haulout.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jul 11, 2016 8:42 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, I can't remember the cost--I think the whole thing was about 900 euros. We were ashore anyway


Ian 


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 11 July 2016 12:37:58
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Sonic Speed
 

Ian,

How much did it cost you?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jul 11, 2016 8:24 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,


 I agree with everything you write about B&G speed sensors, except the costs of withdrawing and replacing the sensors--assuming that you can get hold of new ones.


We changed our sensors when they failed after 9 years. Obviously, the boat has to be out of the water, but we didn't have to cut them out. Instead:


Detach the inboard end of the wire leading to each sensor  and make sure that it is free to run down the channel to the sensor

Drill a short hole in the exposed end of the sensor and insert a screw

Pull on the screw with pliers . This will withdraw the sensor ( a black tube about 6 inches ( 15 cm ) long ) from the hull

Pull out until a short piece of the wire to the back of the sensor is exposed.

Cut this wire and use it as the messenger line to pull in the wire on the new sensor

The new sensor will prove a snug fit into the cavity in the hull. We put a dab of sealant on it.

Connect the inboard end of the wire to the B&G box and off you go.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 ,Preveza


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 11 July 2016 12:06:13
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G Sonic Speed
 

It is impossible for one of us to know why, you are experiencing this problem. However, let me offer some insight and possibly some advice:
1.) The B&G sensors have to be clean.

2.) The B&G sensor sensitivity adjustment has to be correct and usually requires a B&G certified technician and many of those cannot get it done correctly. Ask around to find the BEST AND CERTIFIED B&G technician and have him check things out.

3.) The B&G sensors will fail and they have to be replaced in pairs and cut from the hull when out of the water. This is an expensive job at probably 3, 000 - 5,000 euros.

4.) The B&G sensors are no longer made by B&G and you probably cannot find them.

If the B&G technician tells you the sensors are bad, your options probably are:
1) Drill a hole in the hull near the current depth sensor and add a new B&G Paddlewheel or a B&G compatible through-hull sonic speed sensor.
2 Buy a SOG to SOW converter from Tinley Electronics in the UK, connect it to NMEA GPS and the B&G computer where the paddlewheel sensor connects. This will give you all accurate information, your boat speed gauge will work, and everything will be reported on the FFD including True wind, etc., BUT, the information will be slightly off when you have current.

Unfortunately, I believe it is impossible to remove the B&G depth sounder and replace it with a combo depth/speed sounder that will talk to B&G...BUT, things change...if anyone knows the answer to this it will be Tinley Electronics. Email sarah"at"tinley.net

I hope this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jul 11, 2016 5:39 AM, "ofer magen magenofer@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi to all.


I have my Amel 54 #160 2010,for a year now.

I follow the forum every day,trying to learn from this great place of knowledge . I still have a long way to go but I enjoy the process. Thanks to all of you.

Since the first day ,I had the boat speed come and go ,on the hydra and the analog b&g.
When the boat speed appears it is accurate. 

Emek in Turkey could not fix it,so I changed the display on the hydra to speed over ground.
I cannot see true wind speed.

Any ideas? 
Can someone send me the manuals?

Thanks ,
Ofer Magen
Alba, Amel 54 160, 2010



 

Ours goes whacky when we run the microwave!



Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ




On Jul 9, 2016, at 06:19, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I think small debris and whirling or whipping current will cause what happened. I experienced abarnacle on one of the sensors which basically shut it down.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jul 9, 2016 5:25 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Colin,

yes, its all a bit strange...
Glad you're enjoying the updates...
I have to say there's not many cruising yachts up here this season....maybe the fear of the last cyclone or the bad weather down south hampering getaways...but it's great here.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
18 22.87S, 178 09.14E